I like the idea of distinguishing between the people who are on the Island in the present and those on the Island in that past, but I'm concerned about saying in the 1970's, because a) we don't know 100% for sure that that's when they are, and b) because the date that they're in could easily change at any minute. I'd suggest "On Island - Present" and "On Island - Past", what do you think? 20:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Ok, sure... although I think by the end of tonight we will know for sure what year they're in. I'd say it's safe to assume 1970's, but I have no issue changing it to "past" and "present" for the next few hours, or until we find out for sure. Jtmoore 20:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Well even then, with the time jumps it's entirely possible that the date could change. Furthermore some of the Others are listed as "On Island - 1950's" and then most of the other portals say "On Island - 1970's". I think it's much cleaner to just say past and present because it avoids any issues. 20:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I totally agree. It was getting too messy with all the different times. The shades of green are nearly impossible to distinguish between. I don't have good eyesight and I can barely tell them apart. I assume a lot of people would feel the same. What was wrong with the pink I was using? If that doesn't work for you, do you mind changing it to a more easy to distinguish color? Thanks --Jtmoore 20:46, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about that. I was gonna fix the green when I was done, but I'll fix it right away. The reason I changed it was because the green was origianlly chosen for "on Island" because green represented sort of an island-ish colour (just like red is a dead-ish colour for the deceased portal). I figured it'd be nice to retain a bit of the original reasoning for the colours. 20:49, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thanks again. while you're at it, what did you think of my addition to the Others page "on island- all times" I didn't know how to classify Richard since he exists in the past and the present... if you think this is a good idea, we should probably add this "on island all times" template to the supporting characters page and change Richard to that (right now he's listed as on island - present). Thanks again
Honestly, I think the "all times" option is uneccessary. Each of the characters who exist on the Island in the present also existed at some point in the past. I think you have to look at it subjectively for each character. For instance, Jack (at the end of "316") is in what Jack would consider to be the past (due to time travel). Richard on the other hand is where he would consider to be the present so I think we should list him as being in the present. 07:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
If you're truly interested in objectivity in the transcript, you'll watch the episode and examine the sequence of shots presented. Here's what you will see:
- A shot of Sawyer looking at them in amazement.
- A shot of Sawyer removing his eyeglasses.
- A shot of Kate stepping out from behind Hurley, wearing a tank top and black pants.
- A shot of Kate's face. Her freckles are evident.
- A shot of Kate.
- A shot of Sawyer.
My description merely omits the superfluous "a shot of"s. I'm not a shipper and I have no interest in adding something subjective that isn't on the screen. Cheers,06:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
You might want to share your thoughs in this discussion. -- 13:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't think something being introduced in a mysterious manner is really sufficient to be considered a major mystery of the show (otherwise most of the characters on the show would be mysteries). Honestly, I don't really think we should have any characters as mysteries on there (ie: Richard Malkin, Richard Alpert, Ethan Rom, Naomi, Jeremy Bentham) but rather something about those characters that is a mystery (ie: Richard Malkin's warning, Richard Alpert's aging, Ethan Rom not being on the plane, the identity/mission of the parachutist, the identity of Jeremy Bentham). Sometimes those mysteries are too long to write and a character name has to be used as shorthand, but overall, they refer to something specific about a character. If there's something specific about Caesar that you feel is a mystery then feel free to re-add him and I won't remove it. But if there's a way you could indicate what it is about him that you're readding him for, that would be awesome. Thanks. :) 07:52, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
My interpretation of "Miles' abilities" as a mystery was that we were waiting for in-show confirmation about him talking to dead people. It's further implied that the reason he "is the way he is" is because he's from the Island. But as for an in-depth, scientific analysis of how he got his powers, I think it's unlikely that we can expect that (much like it was never really explained why Desmond became psychic, we just know it was something to do with the discharge). If you want to poll the talk page for other opinions, I'll go with consensus, this this just my two cents. 18:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oops, you've included all the mysteries i've mentioned. Great work, Thank you very much!:) -- Paintbox 15:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
- Jt, by the way i have changed Hurley's Guitar Case to partially solved. Because now we know who gave it to Hurley. Sorry for not asking you before changing it.What do you think? -- Paintbox 15:54, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
- Agreed 100%! I just didn't think of it!