Sure, I was just amused by the idea of the shirt itself being ironic, rather than the use of it. It's just a little semantic thing that tickled me. But I was tweaking that section anyway regarding the London scene, so have reworded that bit again to hopefully emphasise your point. Cheers--TechNic|talk|conts 21:26, 18 May 2007 (PDT)
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Unanswered question on "One of Us"
The dialog is as follows:
Mikhail: Did you see it?
Ben: A plane fell out of the sky Mikhail. Of course we saw it. What do you have so far?
Mikhail: Oceanic Airlines flight 815. left sydney australia for Los Angelas. 324 people on board including the flight crew.
Ben: I want detailed files on every single passenger
Mikhail: already working on it.
The way this reads to me is that Mikhail is saying that he started working on getting information about the passengers before Ben got there. Mikhail anticipated what Ben was going to want before Ben got there and started on it. Getting to the Flame from the barracks would have taken several hours (at least) and given Mikhail lots of time to start investigating. I dont see anything that suggests Mikhail started researching the passengers before the crash.
If your confident that the question is valid, I'm not going to remove it again if you put it back. But I'm not convinced that there is anything there. Dharmatel4 23:34, 13 April 2007 (PDT)
- If your question is "why did the Others want personal information on all the passengers?", thats a perfectly reasonable question that I have no objection to. To me, your original question seemed to be asking something else. Dharmatel4 23:47, 13 April 2007 (PDT)
- The new version of the question is ok. Dharmatel4 00:02, 14 April 2007 (PDT)
- I didn't realize animals was on the themes portal. Fwiw, I don't think that any recurring element is necessarily a recurring theme. What is the larger meaning or symbolism behind the fact that animals appear on the show? In some cases, like the boar in "Outlaws", they can mean something specific for that purpose, but to say that they are a theme on the show would mean that the overall use of animals signifies something (not just that they are sometimes important in a plot). I just don't see that being the case. Regardless, I understand that this is more of a conversation for the themes portal page.
- As for Desmond returning to consciousness in the nick of time - the reason I wouldn't consider that irony (any variant) is that you need an apparent or built-in expectation that it wouldn't happen that way (even in situational irony). You might conclude that it would've been against the odds, but things happening a certain way despite the odds is not considered irony by lexicographers.  And I'm not completely sure what you meant by your edit summary comment "and Lost doesn't have such things as 'lucky coincidences'" (there are coincidences all the time; it's on the themes portal!). But if you're suggesting that what happened to Desmond in this case was more than coincidence, that would be speculation.
- Damon and Carlton explained in the Feb 28 podcast that Desmond's consciousness went to the future; I'm not just deciding to describe it that way. So it wasn't a dream or vision, because his consciousness was actually in 2004; he wasn't there in 1996 to have the dream or vision. I think it's fine to say he thought he was having a dream, but I don't see how it can say that he had visions of his future. -- 19:19, 9 March 2008 (PDT)
- Well, it seems we agree it was an occurrence of coincidence - I think it would go just fine under recurring themes with the other instances of coincidence. I just don't think that it's irony.
- Quotes: "He's in 1996 watching things happening in 2004, so it's got to be a sort of vision." and "He's seeing himself in the future, for pete's sake..."
- I think the thing to keep in mind here is that he wasn't in 1996 - it's that his 1996 consciousness was in 2004. So pretend that you, right now, are transported to your body in 2016. Who knows what you're doing - maybe you're on a train - but the point is that you're not seeing a vision, you're actually on that train, experiencing it. If it were a vision, the train would not actually be there. So if a theme were to be assigned to it, I would use something like "time travel" instead of "dreams and visions".
- That's ok, I didn't take the tone of your comments to be too harsh - just slightly agitated. ; -- 20:57, 9 March 2008 (PDT)
Dude, I understand that a colour could be considered important in certain contexts, but the lists of red things you were naming were getting ridiculous. You were pointing out things like blood and roses (which will be red no matter what), as well as a bunch of background elements that just happened to be red, and weren't prominent at all. Unless there's some common theme to tie together all the appearances of the colour red (similar, perhaps, to the film The Sixth Sense), it's not a motif, it's just a colour. Jimbo the tubby 09:13, 18 March 2008 (PDT)
I independently decided that Red was important before seeing this on the wikia. I noticed while browsing here that you had a compilation of Red which was removed by JimboTheTubby and I just wanted to shout my unimportant and insignificant support. Kurtisray 16:09, March 15, 2010 (UTC)