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Ben's surprise at Desmond's comment

In all the information Ben had about Daniel (similar to that he had about Charlotte), the identities of Daniel's parents were blank or obviously incorrect. Widmore is a good candidate, but we know too little to say he is the father.
- Widmore wouldn't have invested so much time and so many resources in Daniel's scientific endeavors if he hadn't already confirmed Daniel was indeed his biological son. Given Widmore's reach in the outside world, he probably was able to get his hands on Daniel's DNA to verify the young man's lineage.
Penny's location. We do not know for certain that anyone has ever told Ben that Penny picked up the Oceanic Six (plus) or that Penny and Desmond are married. If he did learn this and he really intends to kill Penny, he wants to know how far away she is from Desmond.
- It's irrelevant whether or not Ben knows about Penny's involvement with the Oceanic Six. Regardless, Ben promised Widmore he'd find a way to kill Penny, and according to a deleted scene from Season 5, Ben did just that.
In spite of his surprise, Ben has to prioritize. Ms. Hawking is a powerful woman; see does not talk to Ben as if she were his subordinate. She is waiting for him inside.
His look was based on knowing that he can find Widmore's daughter, Penny, which he had not yet been able to do.

Available windows for time skips

Ms. Hawking determined a specific time at which travel to the Island would be possible. She tasked Ben to have everyone who was supposed to travel to be at the church on time. Ben has shown up with only two of the Oceanic Six and Desmond. Ms. Hawking, however, is not put off by this fact. She says it time to get started.
The Island moves to different wheres and whens. Getting to the wheres isn't too hard to do if you have the right resources, but there are only certain times when the Island is in a time close enough for them to get "on board'"
The Island doesn't "move" through time. Time moves on the Island - this explains why the setting of objects on the Island changes with each skip (i.e. why the camp doesn't come too) the Island is not actually going any-when; the time that defines "the present" is constantly changing as a result of the wheel off its axis. If you want to think of it in terms of motion the travelers are stationary while time shifts around them - the Island is not "going" anywhere. I may be wrong later when we find out more about the wheel's effect on space.
Perhaps the Island is physically nowhere because of the malfunction of the Wheel. Locke "reseating" it will return it to the "real world." While in limbo, the people present when the malfunction occurred are "adrift" in time, since the Island isn't anywhere real, but will return to the present when the Island is anchored again thanks to Locke.
If the wheel was dislodged after Ben using it (either for him not being him the one meant to move it or for him using it without thawing it out first) means that the dislodged wheel is also traveling through time as it's clear that Locke is in a time far before the Orchid and even before the well, seeing how it is just a sealed rock chamber.
The Island is traveling through time. However, the Island keeps its own present time and timeline going regardless of its "location" on earth's time (which could explain some of the temporal aberrations such Ray's corps washing up to the shore even before having being killed). Now, the problem of the survivors is that they became "unstuck" to the Island (unlike the Others, we may speculate) so when the Island moves through time so they do, appearing in the real "earth" date the Island is now on, i.e. shifting through the Island's own timeline.

Sickness

Going into the declivity under the Temple causes individuals to turn into Others.
Something happened to make the men hostile towards Danielle.
It's possible that the monster was using the forms of her crew mates to test Rousseau (as it used Yemi's form to test Eko), and her willingness to kill them was, for whatever reason, passing the test. This seems very likely, since it would have been extremely difficult for Rousseau to survive in the smoke monster's jungle for 16 years if the monster had not already decided to let her live.
Rousseau went crazy which results in mistrust and shooting her team mates. When Robert realizes that Rousseau is out of her mind, he tries to shoot her but his rifle fails. The facts to support this are that from what we saw before the monster can only project images of people while being unable to physically interact with other people (e.g. trying to shoot at them or being shot by them). Though we can not cross out the possibility of some kind of brainwash/mind posesion by the monster.
Rousseau (based on her personality in the previous seasons) is a paranoid delusional who exhibits classic signs of schizophrenia, based on these past episodes. There is nothing wrong with Robert or the others in the Expedition crew, there is no "sickness;" it's all in Rousseau's head.
Rousseau is the one who went crazy. Robert and the other men became enlightened when he went down the declivity; they saw something that made him understand why the monster has to protect the island.
Rousseau on the other hand went crazy (who knows why) and thus didn't believe him. She thought they were all 'sick', but they weren't. She yelled to Jin "you're sick too!"
- The only reason she called Jin sick is because he disappeared into thin air. That's not exactly something normal, so it makes sense she'd think there's something wrong with Jin too.

Ben not supposed to turn the Wheel

Ben did it in order to face Widmore and try to solve once for all their dispute. The fact that not all the O6 were with Ms. Hawking might in fact hint at future time travel windows to the Island, and I guess Ben will not depart with them before he convinces the others and solve the 'fight' with Widmore.
Ben was never Jacob's "choice," but he believes that he is. Turning the wheel is another attempt by Ben to be something he is not, rather than what he was...a pawn.
When Locke sees the wheel, it seems to be loose and moving back and forth (at least much looser than when Ben pushed the wheel). Perhaps the flashes are due to the wheel being loose.
Perhaps the Wheel was so difficult for Ben because he wasn't supposed to use it. In doing so, he caused a failure which only the actual "chosen one" could correct.

HE didn't turn the wheel, just pop it back on its axis.

Ben turned the wheel to avoid being captured from Widmore. Since the hatch implosion the Island was visible (or has been visible enough to have Charles Widmore and Penny Widmore know its coordinates) If Ben let Locke move the Island, he'll still be on the Island, without the O6, and with an unaware Locke/Bentham in the outside world (not knowing he was supposed to bring the O6 back). He moved the Island knowing he had that mission to accomplish anyways, and also knowing that his presence in the outside world was needed for his own personal agenda (revenge on Widmore/killing Penny)
Did Ben turn the wheel incorrectly and intentionally knock the wheel off axis so that it would need to be reset and also knowingly creating the time skipping flashes and putting everyone on the Island in peril? The danger is responsible for forcing the O6 to return to the Island, perhaps his ultimate goal.
Ben moved the wheel to save himself. If Locke had turned the wheel, Ben would have been the first to die in the time flashes, as he had been on the Island longer than Charlotte. However, this might not necessarily be the case, as the time flashes may have never occurred if Locke had turned the wheel.

Charlotte's Parents

See Charlotte's Parents Theories

The Frozen Wheel

See The Frozen Wheel Theories

The Orchid Well

From what we saw in the first scene of the premiere and the Orchid Orientation video it seems the DHARMA Initiative detected this large pocket of exotic matter ("a source of almost limitless energy") and after some fancy physics discovered that they "could use it to manipulate time". And so, even though they may have known the well was there, they probably had no idea what was down there, they knew, however, that there was this pocket of energy. And thus they built the orchid station not on top of it directly but very nearby. From what we've seen when building the Orchid they did not know about the FDW chamber below, since when the workman showed Chang the sonogram revealing the wheel it seemed to em that Chang did not know the existence of the wheel. They simply built their station near enough to harness this energy to experiment with space/time, there is no evidence that Dharma went down to the chamber and used the wheel. Though the question this raises is about Chang stating not to put metallic objects in the vault, did he know doing so would reveal the chamber below or did he just think it would break the machine.
The well was still there when DHARMA arrived, and they just didn't notice it at first. It'd be an easy connection to overlook; they knew the Island had original inhabitants, and had no reason to think the well was anything more than a long-dry source of water. The Lost behinds definitely appeared to flash to a point before the well was ever built; it did not look like it had caved in or been filled in when Sawyer was left holding the rope, from above or below.

The well was the original Island inhabitants way to get to the FDW, Dharma simply used that energy to experiment, not use the wheel to move the Island or anything of that nature

The well was definitely NOT meant for drinking from, it was a point of entry. this is evident from the unusual construction; the rope is very heavy, as is the pulley. the wooden support is huge, and the well itself seemed to have a platform almost that stuck out into it that Locke stood on before descending. the whole thing's design points to being used to bring people (or, heavy objects which aren't very wide) up and down, and nothing suggests it was ever a source of water.
I think I see where you're going with this, but the wheel would represent the special time-travelling nature of the Island. A stationary wheel does not move anywhere, the Island remains and time proceeds as normal. A skipping wheel causes the Island to skip through time in a seemingly random fashion. the only advantage to the wheel being frozen would be to prevent it from moving easily.
DHARMA might have sealed off the well to contain the energy within the Island, so the hostiles couldn't have access to it. When they did seal it however the original purpose of the well was to "vent" the Island's energy. Since this vent was shut, it would build up and the Swan station was responsible for discharging that buildup. Another reason it was contained was to be able to transfer it to the orchid station for experiments.

The French Expedition

The team wasn't well-armed for what they were, as they only had a few civilian model hunting rifles; it's common for expeditions to pack said firearms as a precautionary measure, in spite of Sayid thinking it was unusual.
Jin may be responsible for Montand losing his arm. Robert was holding onto Montand as the Monster was pulling him into a Cerberus Vent. But both Robert and Montand would have been dragged into the hole had Jin not grabbed Robert's legs and used the Temple as a stopper. Then the Monster got a better grip on Montand and thus, his arm was ripped off. In the long term it did not matter. As of the end of "This Place Is Death," Montand's fate is unknown.

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-==Jacob's enemy orchestrated the Time Flashes to manipulate John Locke==
-While at first the time periods visited seemed random. This is because we were learning about them primarily through the eyes of several different survivors. However, when focusing on John Locke's experiences only, and using current insight regarding the events of the Season 5 finale, a pattern begins to develop: John Locke's experiences during his time-traveling better serve to enhance his faith and his connection to the Island, and these experiences were a direct result of the manipulation of time traveling by an outside force; conceivably and specifically, Jacob's enemy. Let's look at John Locke's final moments on the Island:
-*"Because You Left"
-**The Beechcraft First time jump; 1990's-ish. A crucial moment in John Locke's history with the island was the discovery of this airplane and the events that transpired. Look it up. Huge impact on John to experience this crash firsthand. This would likely influence his faith that the Island is guiding him somehow. Then he is shot in the leg and left for dead. Until...
-***Meeting with Richard. And guess who else? Jacob's enemy in John's body, and Ben listening in the distance. Jacob's enemy manipulated Richard to go over there. The words that Richard used to persuade John were the words of Jacob's enemy. He was minipulating all of them. John's mission is to leave the island, retrieve the Oceanic 6 and Ben and bring them to the island for some unknown purpose. This is also where we learn that John might have to die to accomplish this. So the flaw in logic is that the man impersonating John Locke after the return to the Island on Ajira 316 would have to know that John would die, and that the success of this plan would somehow lead to the events of "The Incident" for all parities involved. He would have to know the future. However, conceivably an enemy that had the ability to time travel might know a thing or two about the future or the past.
-*"The Lie" and "Jughead"
-**The Flaming Arrows. During "The Lie" the survivors, not including John Locke, are attacked on their camp by a mysterious group or archers. After they escape, They reunite with John, after he saves them from a group of people in U.S. Army fatigues. We learn in "Jughead" that these individuals were a group of people living on the island including Charles Widmore, Eloise Hawking, and...
-***Meeting with Richard, part 2. Part 1, technically. John makes his way into camp and meets with a version of Richard who is meeting John Locke for the first time. We know that John has a history with Richard. We know that Richard visited him in the hospital the day he is born, and that it was this future/past John that suggested he do that. Richard visited him as a boy, and was always telling John how special he was on the Island. Richard has a ton of faith in John. I think that this is the direct result of this experience. My belief is that the individual who is causing the time travel is using this particular experience to manipulate Richard Alpert. He will listen to whatever John Locke says to him. John always speaks the truth, and Richard recognizes this through all of his experiences with John over the years. So when Jacob's enemy comes to town in John's body, no matter how outrageous his demands, Richard will always obey.
-*"The Little Prince"
-**The Hatch, dude. The Hatch! After another time switch, John Locke and his people are taken to a night that happened a few months prior during Season 1 of the show. The events of that night at the hatch, where John sees the light from the underground facility is one of the most important moments from John Locke's life. The moment his faith is solidified. John is calling out to God, and God answers. Of course, it's not God. It's Desmond. But that doesn't matter. For the character of John Locke, this seals the deal. He has total faith in the Island. Whatever happens, John is going to go full force. Now he knows what he has to do. He is going to follow the path set out for him by Jacob's enemy without question. He thinks he is doing what is best for the Island, for his friends, and for himself and his devotion, but he's not. We know now that it was a manipulation, and I believe that John had to come to this decision by no other means. The enemy knew that John would have to experience a string of miracles, as he always does, before he would be convinced to do his bidding.
-***Back to the Future The survivors travel through time again. Probably to now. It is a time after Ajira 316 has crashed on the island. They are persued by unknown assailants. They travel again, out of harms way. It's 1988 and Danielle and her team of Scientists are living on the island. There are a series of jumps through time before John finally makes it to the Orchid station to complete his task of leaving the Island. These time jumps do appear to be more random in nature, but the rapid pace with which they occur begin to take their toll on the individuals involved. Charlotte, Miles, and Juliet could be dying. People everywhere are lost and alone. John is the only one who can stop the turmoil. While the current events of the time periods visitied may not have any direct impact on the storyline of John Locke, the well-being of everyone on the Island is his priority as leader. They arrive at a modern version of the Orchid Station, before quickly being transported to an earlier time where they find a well that John Locke enters. While John is going down the well, the group is taken to a time before a well even existed. The result of this is John ending up at the bottom of the well with a broken leg. Very similar to what happened during "Because You Left", John is injured (in the leg), and meets with an eerie individual who instructs him further on his path. This time it is Christian Shepard. We don't fully understand yet who Christian is working for, or the how or why. He has stated in the past to John that he represents Jacob and his desires. We don't know what's going on with that. But he has the information that John needs to return to the island after he has fulfilled his mission. He also tells him how to leave. John leaves with the assistance of a big wheel.
-*"The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"
-**John travels to the modern day in our dimension to reunite the Oceanic 6 and return them to the Island. John is a failure in his mission and is filled with self doubt. He discovers that maybe Richard was right. We know what happens after that. John dies. This new guy takes over John's identity. For what greater purpose, we cannot know, yet. Part of that plan involves manipulating Benjamin Linus to kill Jacob, with some assistance from Richard Alpert. Things that have been set in motion for some time, but at least begining with the time traveling.
 ==Ben's surprise at Desmond's comment==
-* In all the information Ben had about Daniel (similar to that he had about Charlotte), the identities of Daniel's parents were blank or obviously incorrect.  Widmore is a good candidate, but we know too little to say he is the father.
+* In all the information [[Ben]] had about [[Daniel]] (similar to that he had about [[Charlotte]]), the identities of Daniel's parents were blank or obviously incorrect. [[Widmore]] is a good candidate, but we know too little to say he is the father.
+** Widmore wouldn't have invested so much time and so many resources in Daniel's scientific endeavors if he hadn't already confirmed Daniel was indeed his biological son. Given Widmore's reach in the outside world, he probably was able to get his hands on Daniel's DNA to verify the young man's lineage.
-* Penny's location.  We do not know for certain that anyone has ever told Ben that Penny picked up the Oceanic Six (plus) or that Penny and Desmond are married.  If he did learn this and he really intends to kill Penny, he wants to know how far away she is from Desmond.
+* [[Penny]]'s location.  We do not know for certain that anyone has ever told Ben that Penny picked up the [[Oceanic Six]] (plus) or that Penny and Desmond are married. If he did learn this and he really intends to kill Penny, he wants to know how far away she is from [[Desmond]].
-* In spite of his surprise, Ben has to prioritize.  Ms. Hawking is a powerful woman; see does not talk to Ben as if she were his subordinate.  She is waiting for him inside.
+** It's irrelevant whether or not Ben knows about Penny's involvement with the Oceanic Six. Regardless, Ben promised Widmore he'd find a way to kill Penny, and according to a [[Season_5_Deleted_Scenes#Jill_The_Butcher|deleted scene from Season 5]], Ben did just that.
-*His look was based on knowing that he can find Widmore's daughter, [[Penny]], which he had not yet been able to do.
+* In spite of his surprise, [[Ben]] has to prioritize.  Ms. [[Hawking]] is a powerful woman; see does not talk to Ben as if she were his subordinate.  She is waiting for him inside.
+*His look was based on knowing that he can find [[Widmore]]'s daughter, [[Penny]], which he had not yet been able to do.
 ==Available windows for time skips==
-* Ms. Hawking determined a specific time at which travel to the Island would be possible.  She tasked Ben to have everyone who was supposed to travel to be at the church on time.  Ben has shown up with only two of the Oceanic Six and Desmond.  Ms. Hawking, however, is not put off by this fact.  She says it time to get started.
+* Ms. [[Hawking]] determined a specific time at which travel to the [[Island]] would be possible. She tasked [[Ben]] to have everyone who was supposed to travel to be at the church on time. Ben has shown up with only two of the [[Oceanic Six]] and [[Desmond]].  Ms. [[Hawking]], however, is not put off by this fact. She says it time to get started.
 *The Island moves to different wheres and whens. Getting to the wheres isn't too hard to do if you have the right resources, but there are only certain times when the Island is in a time close enough for them to get "on board'"
-*The island doesn't "move" through time. Time moves on the island - this explains why the setting of objects on the island changes with each skip (i.e. why the camp doesn't come too) the island is not actually going any-when; the time that defines "the present" is constantly changing as a result of the wheel off its axis. If you want to think of it in terms of motion the travelers are stationary while time shifts around them - the island is not "going" anywhere. I may be wrong later when we find out more about the wheel's effect on space.
+*The [[Island]] doesn't "move" through time. Time moves on the Island - this explains why the setting of objects on the Island changes with each skip (i.e. why the camp doesn't come too) the Island is not actually going any-when; the time that defines "the present" is constantly changing as a result of the wheel off its axis. If you want to think of it in terms of motion the travelers are stationary while time shifts around them - the Island is not "going" anywhere. I may be wrong later when we find out more about the wheel's effect on space.
-* Perhaps the Island is physically nowhere because of the malfunction of the Wheel. Locke "reseating" it will return it to the "real world." While in limbo, the people present when the malfunction occurred are "adrift" in time, since the Island isn't anywhere real, but will return to the present when the Island is anchored again thanks to Locke.
+* Perhaps the Island is physically nowhere because of the malfunction of the Wheel. [[Locke]] "reseating" it will return it to the "real world." While in limbo, the people present when the malfunction occurred are "adrift" in time, since the Island isn't anywhere real, but will return to the present when the Island is anchored again thanks to Locke.
-* If the wheel was dislodged after Ben using it (either for him not being him the one meant to move it or for him using it without thawing it out first) means that the dislodged wheel is also traveling through time as it's clear that Locke is in a time far before the Orchid and even before the well, seeing how it is just a sealed rock chamber.
+* If the wheel was dislodged after [[Ben]] using it (either for him not being him the one meant to move it or for him using it without thawing it out first) means that the dislodged wheel is also traveling through time as it's clear that [[Locke]] is in a time far before the [[Orchid]] and even before the well, seeing how it is just a sealed rock chamber.
-* The Island is traveling through time. However, the Island keeps its own present time and timeline going regardless of its "location" on earth's time (which could explain some of the temporal aberrations such Ray's corps washing up to the shore even before having being killed). Now, the problem of the survivors is that they became "unstuck" to the Island (unlike the Others, we may speculate) so when the Island moves through time so they do, appearing in the real "earth" date the Island is now on, i.e. shifting through the Island's own timeline.
+* The Island is traveling through time. However, the Island keeps its own present time and timeline going regardless of its "location" on earth's time (which could explain some of the temporal aberrations such [[Ray]]'s corps washing up to the shore even before having being killed). Now, the problem of the survivors is that they became "unstuck" to the Island (unlike the Others, we may speculate) so when the Island moves through time so they do, appearing in the real "earth" date the Island is now on, i.e. shifting through the Island's own timeline.
-==Christian Shephard==
-*His "death" in Australia was to provide a means to ferry his body back to the Island, via Oceanic 815. Perhaps the same holds true for Locke, who we assume will be "[[The_Little_Prince#Trivia|reincarnated]]" upon his body's return to the Island. Until now, Christian Shepherd has been an occult character, ostensibly human but having mystical qualities. It seems obvious that Locke will return and continue to be a driving character, but not to what extent or what form his being will be manifested as. He will return as an entirely different character than we have known thus far.
-* Christian IS Jacob.
-* During the FDW scene, "Christian" tells Locke that the Frozen Wheel just "needs a little push". These are the same words Jacob says to Jack during the flashback from "The Incident".
-* [[Locke]] is [[Jacob]], this is why he couldn't see him in the cabin.
-* Christian is representative of a force working at cross-purposes to Jacob.  He (it) has assumed Jacob's role to deceive Locke (and Ben).  Jacob's last words were to Locke: "Help me."  Since then, all we have is Christian's word that he speaks for Jacob.
-* Jacob and Christian could be the light and dark forces fighting over the island.
-* Christian and Locke both landed on the Island in coffins.
-* Some of the dead people in the Island come back to life as "aspects" of Jacob (Christian, Yemi, and my favorite theorized, Richard Alpert and Vincent). They retain most of their memories and personalities but now share the knowledge and purpose of Jacob and he uses them to speak and induce people to action as he sees fit as he apparently has no physical embodiment himself.
-*In season three, episode {{ep|3x03}}, Boone appears to John in his drug induced haze in the hut and says, "I’m here to help you find your way again, so you can bring the family back together." It is possible that along with Jack, Claire, Christian and Aaron, John is related to ''the family'' as well, or at least his goal appears to have always been to reunite ''the family''. Perhaps as mentioned above, the lineage is that of Jacobs. Boone then says he wants to show him something, Locke tries to stand up but he can't. Boone says, "John you're going to need that" pointing to Locke's wheelchair which is on the ground. This is very similar to the Christian Shepard / John Locke scene in this episode.
-* He is an angel: Christian Shepherd says to Locke, "I'm here to guide you the rest of the way". This is reminiscent of Biblical stories of Angels (messengers of God) appearing to give information and guidance.
-==The remaining Others==
-*The Others seem unaware, or uninterested, in Rousseau's expedition. Whatever is happening to them is between them and the Island, or maybe just cabin fever that goes around and has nothing to do with proper sickness. But what I do find interesting is that maybe, just maybe, one of the Leftbehinds might be the one to deliver the baby, and then flash away with the baby. Later, flashing back to 1988, they realize they can't go dragging a baby through time, and since finding the baby's mother after several flashes is nigh-on impossible, even if it's in the same year (a month later, or a month earlier, it doesn't really matter if it's roughly the same time). We don't know yet if the flashes have stopped since Locke moved the wheel. The island may still be moving, just in a more proper way now, and fixing it's course merely stops the skips being sporadic and probably the nosebleeds.
 ==Sickness==
-* Going into the declivity under the Temple causes individuals to turn into Others.
+* Going into the declivity under the [[Temple]] causes individuals to turn into [[Others]].
-* Something happened to make the men hostile towards Danielle.
+* Something happened to make the men hostile towards [[Danielle]].
-* It's possible that the monster was using the forms of her crew mates to test Rousseau (as it used Yemi's form to test Eko), and her willingness to kill them was, for whatever reason, passing the test.  This seems very likely, since it would have been extremely difficult for Rousseau to survive in the smoke monster's jungle for 16 years if the monster had not already decided to let her live.
+* It's possible that the monster was using the forms of her crew mates to test [[Rousseau]] (as it used [[Yemi]]'s form to test [[Eko]]), and her willingness to kill them was, for whatever reason, passing the test. This seems very likely, since it would have been extremely difficult for Rousseau to survive in the [[smoke monster]]'s jungle for 16 years if the monster had not already decided to let her live.
-* Rousseau went crazy which results in mistrust and shooting her teammates. When Robert realizes that Rousseau is out of her mind, he tries to shoot her but his rifle fails. The facts to support this are that from what we saw before the monster can only project images of people while being unable to physically interact with other people (e.g. trying to shoot at them or being shot by them). Though we can not cross out the possibility of some kind of brainwash/mind posesion by the monster.
+* [[Rousseau]] went crazy which results in mistrust and shooting her team mates. When [[Robert]] realizes that Rousseau is out of her mind, he tries to shoot her but his rifle fails. The facts to support this are that from what we saw before the monster can only project images of people while being unable to physically interact with other people (e.g. trying to shoot at them or being shot by them). Though we can not cross out the possibility of some kind of brainwash/mind posesion by the monster.
-* Rousseau (based on her personality in the previous seasons) is a paranoid delusional who exhibits classic signs of Schizophrenia, based on these past episodes. There is nothing wrong with Robert or the others in the Expedition crew, there is no "sickness;" it's all in Rousseau's head.
+* [[Rousseau]] (based on her personality in the previous seasons) is a paranoid delusional who exhibits classic signs of schizophrenia, based on these past episodes. There is nothing wrong with [[Robert]] or the others in the [[Expedition]] crew, there is no "sickness;" it's all in Rousseau's head.
-* Rousseau is the one who went crazy.  Robert and the other men became enlightened when he went down the declivity; they saw something that made him understand why the monster has to protect the island.
+* Rousseau is the one who went crazy. Robert and the other men became enlightened when he went down the declivity; they saw something that made him understand why the monster has to protect the island.
-* Rousseau on the other hand went crazy (who knows why) and thus didn't believe him. She thought they were all 'sick', but they weren't. She yelled to Jin "you're sick too!"
+* Rousseau on the other hand went crazy (who knows why) and thus didn't believe him. She thought they were all 'sick', but they weren't. She yelled to [[Jin]] "you're sick too!"
-**The only reason she called Jin sick is because he disappeared into thin air. That's not exactly something normal, so it makes sense she'd think there's something wrong with Jin too.
+**The only reason she called [[Jin]] sick is because he disappeared into thin air. That's not exactly something normal, so it makes sense she'd think there's something wrong with Jin too.
 == Ben not supposed to turn the Wheel ==
-*Ben did it in order to face Widmore and try to solve once for all their dispute. The fact that not all the O6 were with Ms.Hawking might in fact hint at future time travel windows to the Island, and I guess Ben will not depart with them before he convinces the others and solve the 'fight' with Widmore
+*[[Ben]] did it in order to face [[Widmore]] and try to solve once for all their dispute. The fact that not all the [[O6]] were with Ms. [[Hawking]] might in fact hint at future time travel windows to the [[Island]], and I guess Ben will not depart with them before he convinces the others and solve the 'fight' with Widmore.
-*Ben was never Jacob's "choice," but he believes that he is.  Turning the Wheel is another attempt by Ben to be something he is not, rather than what he was...a pawn.
+*Ben was never Jacob's "choice," but he believes that he is. Turning the wheel is another attempt by Ben to be something he is not, rather than what he was...a pawn.
-*When Locke sees the wheel, it seems to be loose and moving back and forth (at least much looser than when Ben pushed the wheel).  Perhaps the flashes are due to the wheel being loose.
+*When [[Locke]] sees the wheel, it seems to be loose and moving back and forth (at least much looser than when Ben pushed the wheel). Perhaps the flashes are due to the wheel being loose.
-*Perhaps the Wheel was so difficult for Ben because he wasn't supposed to use it.  In doing so, he caused a failure which only the actual "chosen one" could correct.
+*Perhaps the Wheel was so difficult for Ben because he wasn't supposed to use it. In doing so, he caused a failure which only the actual "chosen one" could correct.
 HE didn't turn the wheel, just pop it back on its axis.
-*Ben turned the wheel to avoid being captured from Widmore. Since the hatch implosion the Island was visible (or has been visible enough to have Charles Widmore and Penny Widmore know its coordinates) If Ben let Locke move the Island, he'll still be on the Island, without  the O6, and with an unaware Locke/Bentham in the outside world (not knowing he was supposed to bring the O6 back). He moved the Island knowing he had that mission to accomplish anyways, and also knowing that his presence in the outside world was needed for his own personal agenda (revenge on Widmore/killing Penny)
+*Ben turned the wheel to avoid being captured from Widmore. Since the hatch implosion the Island was visible (or has been visible enough to have Charles Widmore and Penny Widmore know its coordinates) If Ben let Locke move the Island, he'll still be on the Island, without  the O6, and with an unaware [[Locke]]/[[Bentham]] in the outside world (not knowing he was supposed to bring the O6 back). He moved the Island knowing he had that mission to accomplish anyways, and also knowing that his presence in the outside world was needed for his own personal agenda (revenge on Widmore/killing [[Penny]])
-*Did Ben turn the wheel incorrectly and intentionally knock the wheel off axis so that it would need to be reset and also knowingly creating the time skipping flashes and putting everyone on the Island in peril?  The danger is responsible for forcing the O6 to return to the Island, perhaps his ultimate goal.
+*Did Ben turn the wheel incorrectly and intentionally knock the wheel off axis so that it would need to be reset and also knowingly creating the time skipping flashes and putting everyone on the Island in peril?  The danger is responsible for forcing the [[O6]] to return to the Island, perhaps his ultimate goal.
-* Ben moved the Wheel to save himself. If Locke had turned the wheel, Ben would have been the first to die in the time flashes, as he had been on the Island longer than Charlotte. However, this might not necessarily be the case, as the time flashes may have never occurred if Locke had turned the wheel.
+* Ben moved the wheel to save himself. If Locke had turned the wheel, Ben would have been the first to die in the time flashes, as he had been on the Island longer than [[Charlotte]]. However, this might not necessarily be the case, as the time flashes may have never occurred if Locke had turned the wheel.
-==The Monster==
-* When it grabbed Montand, it seemed to reach out at him with two arms on each of his legs.. which suggests the Monster has human-like features.
-* Was the Monster guarding the Temple? Did Ben send the Others there knowing that the Monster would defend the area from everyone else?
-*The Monster seems significantly different in this episode. It makes fewer noises and at times sounds very organic. It also goes higher than it is usually capable, as shown by the characters looking up to try to see it and Nadine's body falling from the sky. This may mean that the Monster has yet to "Malfunction" at this time period.
-* It is the same noises as 2004, including the "receipt machine" sound.
-*The monster absorbs something from every being it kills, and has accrued a great deal of negativity over the past 16 years.
-*The effect on Danielle's crew seems to be along the lines of a 'body-snatchers' type situation; The monster can 'take over' the mind of a person once it's dragged them under the temple.
-* I think the monster can take over the body of a dead person..i.e. Alex, Locke, Christian--that's why as soon as the first crew member was dragged down after having lost his arm he immediately began calling for the rest to come down.  He had died and the smoke monster/esau/nemesis/whoever it might be took over his body and then the other crew members who tried to kill danielle.
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 ==The [[Orchid Well]]==
-*From what we saw in the first scene of the premiere and the Orchid Orientation video it seems the DHARMA Initiative detected this large pocket of exotic matter ("a source of almost limitless energy") and after some fancy physics discovered that they "could use it to manipulate time". And so, even though they may have known the well was there, they probably had no idea what was down there, they knew, however, that there was this pocket of energy. And thus they built the orchid station not on top of it directly but very nearby. From what we've seen when building the Orchid they did not know about the FDW chamber below, since when the workman showed Chang the sonogram revealing the wheel it seemed to em that Chang did not know the existence of the wheel. They simply built their station near enough to harness this energy to experiment with space/time, there is no evidence that Dharma went down to the chamber and used the wheel. Though the question this raises is about Chang stating not to put metallic objects in the vault, did he know doing so would reveal the chamber below or did he just think it would break the machine.
+* From what we saw in the first scene of the premiere and the [[Orchid Orientation video]] it seems the [[DHARMA Initiative]] detected this large pocket of exotic matter ("a source of almost limitless energy") and after some fancy physics discovered that they "could use it to manipulate time". And so, even though they may have known the well was there, they probably had no idea what was down there, they knew, however, that there was this pocket of energy. And thus they built the orchid station not on top of it directly but very nearby. From what we've seen when building the Orchid they did not know about the FDW chamber below, since when the workman showed [[Chang]] the sonogram revealing the wheel it seemed to em that [[Chang]] did not know the existence of the wheel. They simply built their station near enough to harness this energy to experiment with space/time, there is no evidence that Dharma went down to the chamber and used the wheel. Though the question this raises is about Chang stating not to put metallic objects in the vault, did he know doing so would reveal the chamber below or did he just think it would break the machine.
-*The well was still there when DHARMA arrived, and they just didn't notice it at first. it'd be an easy connection to overlook; they knew the island had original inhabitants, and had no reason to think the well was anything more than a long-dry source of water. The Lostbehinds definitely appeared to flash to a point before the well was ever built; it did not look like it had caved in or been filled in when Sawyer was left holding the rope, from above or below.
+* The well was still there when DHARMA arrived, and they just didn't notice it at first. It'd be an easy connection to overlook; they knew the Island had original inhabitants, and had no reason to think the well was anything more than a long-dry source of water. The Lost behinds definitely appeared to flash to a point before the well was ever built; it did not look like it had caved in or been filled in when [[Sawyer]] was left holding the rope, from above or below.
-The well was the original island inhabitants way to get to the FDW, Dharma simply used that energy to experiment, not use the wheel to move the island or anything of that nature
+The well was the original [[Island]] inhabitants way to get to the FDW, Dharma simply used that energy to experiment, not use the wheel to move the Island or anything of that nature
-*The well was definitely NOT meant for drinking from, it was a point of entry. this is evident from the unusual construction; the rope is very heavy, as is the pulley. the wooden support is huge, and the well itself seemed to have a platform almost that stuck out into it that Locke stood on before descending. the whole thing's design points to being used to bring people (or, heavy objects which aren't very wide) up and down, and nothing suggests it was ever a source of water.
+* The well was definitely NOT meant for drinking from, it was a point of entry. this is evident from the unusual construction; the rope is very heavy, as is the pulley. the wooden support is huge, and the well itself seemed to have a platform almost that stuck out into it that Locke stood on before descending. the whole thing's design points to being used to bring people (or, heavy objects which aren't very wide) up and down, and nothing suggests it was ever a source of water.
-*I think I see where you're going with this, but the wheel would represent the special time-traveling nature of the island. a stationary wheel does not move anywhere, the island remains and time proceeds as normal. A skipping wheel causes the island to skip through time in a seemingly random fashion. the only advantage to the wheel being frozen would be to prevent it from moving easily.
+* I think I see where you're going with this, but the wheel would represent the special time-travelling nature of the Island. A stationary wheel does not move anywhere, the Island remains and time proceeds as normal. A skipping wheel causes the Island to skip through time in a seemingly random fashion. the only advantage to the wheel being frozen would be to prevent it from moving easily.
-* DHARMA might have sealed off the well to contain the energy within the island, so the hostiles couldn't have access to it. When they did seal it however the original purpose of the well was to "vent" the island's energy. Since this vent was shut, it would build up and the Swan station was responsible for discharging that buildup. Another reason it was contained was to be able to transfer it to the orchid station for experiments.
+* [[DHARMA]] might have sealed off the well to contain the energy within the Island, so the hostiles couldn't have access to it. When they did seal it however the original purpose of the well was to "vent" the Island's energy. Since this vent was shut, it would build up and the [[Swan station]] was responsible for discharging that buildup. Another reason it was contained was to be able to transfer it to the orchid station for experiments.
-==The Return Of The Oceanic Six==
-Locke was supposed to bring back everyone who left; Christian did not say anything about the Oceanic Six.  Locke is dead.  Ben decides to bring them back, not necessarily because he is altruistic.  ''Passim'':  Define '''All'''.  So far, he has collected Jack, Sun and Desmond.  Ms. Hawking says, "Let's get started."  She, at least, seems to have accepted the idea that it is not all going to be done at once.  And she did not tell Desmond to go away.
-* Notice at this point that he had never counted with Desmond as he was just barely aware of his existence. When he thought he had Hurley and Kate under his sleeve, he thought he was missing only Sun to complete the group. Now, there are two possibilities that come from this:
-*Counter-theory: Everyone who left at the time of the jump must return.  Meaning the O6 (plus Ji Yeon), Desmond, and Frank.  Plus the wheel turners - Ben and John.  Ben lied about he who moves the island can never return.  But no Walt or Widmore.
-* Ben needs to bring Locke's dead body back in order to reclaim leadership, just as Locke had to bring Anthony Cooper's body back to the Others after having him killed.
-*When the Losties first crash on the island with CS in a coffin, they were put there in order to correct some other time travel mistakes that happened before. This is why all of them are related or have a special connection with each other. They all had to "go back" to put the pieces back into place.
-*Ben was not supposed to turn the wheel so he can come back, on the other hand Locke HAS to bring the returning ones left but he can not come back, that's why he had to die. He can not come back to island alive, but he has to bring his people back. That's why Benjamin is dragging a dead body all along. It would be extremely silly for a person like Ben to carry a dead body all over if it's not meant for something
-* Desmond will inadvertently be going back, after doing what they're all there to do. :(
 ==The French Expedition==
-*The team wasn't well-armed for what they were, as they only had a few civilian model hunting rifles; it's common for expeditions to pack said firearms as a precautionary measure, in spite of Sayid thinking it was unusual.
+*The team wasn't well-armed for what they were, as they only had a few civilian model hunting rifles; it's common for expeditions to pack said firearms as a precautionary measure, in spite of [[Sayid]] thinking it was unusual.
-*Jin may be responsible for Montand losing his arm.  Robert was holding onto Montand as the Monster was pulling him into a [[Cerberus Vent]]. But both Robert and Montand would have been dragged into the hole had Jin not grabbed Robert's legs and used the Temple as a stopper. Then the Monster got a better grip on Montand and thus, his arm was ripped off.  In the long term it did not matter. As of the end of {{Ep|5x05|,}} Montand's fate is unknown.
+*[[Jin]] may be responsible for [[Montand]] losing his arm. [[Robert]] was holding onto Montand as the Monster was pulling him into a [[Cerberus Vent]]. But both [[Robert]] and [[Montand]] would have been dragged into the hole had Jin not grabbed Robert's legs and used the Temple as a stopper. Then the Monster got a better grip on Montand and thus, his arm was ripped off. In the long term it did not matter. As of the end of {{Ep|5x05|,}} Montand's fate is unknown.
-==Hurley speaking the numbers?==
-*The recording sounds like [[Hurley]], but in a very resigned, kind of depressed tone that we don't hear out of him often. Would suit if he ended up returning to the island back in DHARMA days and through a cruel twist of fate, had to read the 'cursed' numbers for the recording, or risk blowing his cover.
-**This seems to be backed up by this: http://lostmysteries.blogspot.com/2009/02/whose-voice-was-saying-numbers.html post, which contains a filtered audio clip of the voice, which sounds even more like Hurley.
-==Temple and Hieroglyphs==
-* Atlantis (or Lemuria if you prefer) is the identity of the island; hieroglyphs LOOK Egyptian, no doubt. But the temple somewhat resembles ANGKOR WAT, a temple complex in Cambodia; a mix of ancient cultures, maybe Atlantis> just an observation. The legends of Atlantean high wisdom& technology jive with everything else on the show. Also the creators have gone to great lengths to explain why this place is hard to find - a major criticism of Atlantean theory is that such a place could NOT remain hidden from history and the modern world.
-*The hieroglyphs also appear when the hatch's timer hits 0.  Perhaps the hatch is built over the site of the temple.  Or perhaps the hatch timer had some sort of effect on the smoke monster that sometimes hangs out in the temple.
-*The island could have easily 'sucked in' some Egyptians traveling by boat, like with Yemi's plane. Or as another person pointed out, the society that is the entire basis for ancient Egypt's culture could have originated on the island and then moved to mainland Egypt. Given the terminus of the exit from the Island (Locke and Ben end up in Tunisia), this could indeed be the case. And I think it's been subtly hinted at by the writers over the years that the Island to a degree can control entropy within itself-- I don't think the DHARMA van should still be able to run after sitting in a rainy jungle for twelve years, and -everything- in the various DHARMA stations still work perfectly after twenty-thirty years.
-* Theory as to why there seem to be hieroglyphs from Egypt and a temple resembling Angkor Wat.  But think of it backwards - Egypt and other ancients have a ''common source'', being the people's who left Atlantis.  The legend says that the people were scattered throughout the world.  so the Island could be Atlantis, or one of the places where Atlantians arrived.  So Richard and the others could be Atlantians.
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