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[[Image:ScaredBen.jpg|thumb|250px|"He changed the rules."]]
 
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'''The Rules''' are seemingly a set of guidelines between [[Charles Widmore]] and [[Benjamin Linus]]. As yet, the exact nature of the rules is unknown.
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The term '''"The Rules"''' can refer to both a set of guidelines between [[Charles Widmore]] and [[Benjamin Linus]] and a set of "Rules" which governs whether time travelers can alter events in history. As yet, the exact nature of The Rules is unknown, and it is unknown whether both instances of Rules refer to the same concept.
   
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==Ben Linus and Charles Widmore's Rules==
==Definitive references==
 
==={{ep|4x09}}===
 
 
[[Image:Alexgunpoint.jpg|thumb|left|Alex about to be executed by Keamy]]
 
[[Image:Alexgunpoint.jpg|thumb|left|Alex about to be executed by Keamy]]
 
[[Benjamin Linus]] and [[Charles Widmore]] appear to have had a relationship prior to [[Keamy]]'s attempt to capture Ben. This is evident in Ben's shocked response to Keamy's [[shootings|execution]] of his "daughter", [[Alex]]. Ben was visibly disturbed at not only her death, but what appeared to be some greater implication of the act. Immediately after she died, Ben said to himself, "He changed the rules." It was later revealed through flashforwards that the "he" was in-fact Charles Widmore. {{crossref|4x09}}
 
[[Benjamin Linus]] and [[Charles Widmore]] appear to have had a relationship prior to [[Keamy]]'s attempt to capture Ben. This is evident in Ben's shocked response to Keamy's [[shootings|execution]] of his "daughter", [[Alex]]. Ben was visibly disturbed at not only her death, but what appeared to be some greater implication of the act. Immediately after she died, Ben said to himself, "He changed the rules." It was later revealed through flashforwards that the "he" was in-fact Charles Widmore. {{crossref|4x09}}
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==The Rules of time travel==
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[[Pierre Chang]] called to the [[Orchid]] because of a problem with melting drill bits and injured workers, tells the foreman that he is to do nothing else because he is close to an energy source that will allow DHARMA to manipulate time. When [[Tony (DHARMA)|the foreman]] asks if they are going to change the past:
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When [[Pierre Chang]] is called to the [[Orchid]] because of a problem with melting drill bits and injured workers, he tells the foreman that they are drilling close to an energy source that will allow DHARMA to manipulate time. When [[Tony (DHARMA)|the foreman]] asks if they are going to change the past:
 
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FOREMAN: (Chuckles) Right. Okay, so, what? We're gonna go back and kill Hitler?
 
FOREMAN: (Chuckles) Right. Okay, so, what? We're gonna go back and kill Hitler?
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FOREMAN: So what do you want me to do?
 
FOREMAN: So what do you want me to do?
 
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Chang tells him to do nothing. {{crossref|5x01}}
   
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[[Daniel Faraday]] tells [[Desmond]] that he can help the people who are shifting through time:
Chang tells him to do nothing.
 
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FARADAY: You're the only person who can help us because, Desmond... the rules... the rules don't apply to you. You're special. You're uniquely and miraculously special.
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According to Faraday, one of the rules governing time is "Whatever happened, happened." All attempts to change the past will fail. {{crossref|5x01}}
   
 
==Possible references==
 
==Possible references==
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* As Locke put a grenade into [[Miles]]' mouth, Locke told him that there was no use in having '''rules''' if there was no punishment for breaking them. {{crossref|4x04}}
 
* As Locke put a grenade into [[Miles]]' mouth, Locke told him that there was no use in having '''rules''' if there was no punishment for breaking them. {{crossref|4x04}}
 
* While [[Captain Gault]] beat a disobedient crew member, he stated that '''the rules''' of desertion still applied to everyone. {{crossref|4x09}}
 
* While [[Captain Gault]] beat a disobedient crew member, he stated that '''the rules''' of desertion still applied to everyone. {{crossref|4x09}}
*Both [[Faraday]] and [[Pierre Chang|Dr.Chang]] state that there are '''rules''' regarding [[Time]] that can't be broken. {{crossref|5x01}}
 
   
 
==Trivia==
 
==Trivia==

Revision as of 02:25, 4 March 2009

ScaredBen

"He changed the rules."

The term "The Rules" can refer to both a set of guidelines between Charles Widmore and Benjamin Linus and a set of "Rules" which governs whether time travelers can alter events in history. As yet, the exact nature of The Rules is unknown, and it is unknown whether both instances of Rules refer to the same concept.

Ben Linus and Charles Widmore's Rules

Alexgunpoint

Alex about to be executed by Keamy

Benjamin Linus and Charles Widmore appear to have had a relationship prior to Keamy's attempt to capture Ben. This is evident in Ben's shocked response to Keamy's execution of his "daughter", Alex. Ben was visibly disturbed at not only her death, but what appeared to be some greater implication of the act. Immediately after she died, Ben said to himself, "He changed the rules." It was later revealed through flashforwards that the "he" was in-fact Charles Widmore. ("The Shape of Things to Come")

FFBen

"I'm here, Charles, because you murdered my daughter."

WidNight

"Then I suppose the hunt is on for both of us."

Later, in a flashforward during the same episode, Ben was seen making an unannounced, late-night visit to Widmore's penthouse as he slept. Ben confronts Widmore and accuses him of changing The Rules, in reference to Alex's death. The conversation also contains hints of prior interactions between Ben and Widmore, as their conversation suggested The Rules govern their actions towards each other. ("The Shape of Things to Come")

Based on this conversation, it appears as though one of The Rules is that neither can kill the other. Ben directly stated he was unable to kill Widmore, and Widmore seemingly can't kill Ben either, as he ordered Keamy to bring Ben back alive. ("The Shape of Things to Come")

BEN: Wake up, Charles.

WIDMORE: I wondered when you were gonna show up. I see you've been getting more sun.

BEN: Iraq is lovely this time of year. (pause) When did you start sleeping with a bottle of scotch by the bed?

WIDMORE: When the nightmares started. (pause) Have you come here to kill me, Benjamin?

BEN: We both know I can't do that.

WIDMORE: Then why are you here?

BEN: I'm here, Charles, because you murdered my daughter.

WIDMORE: Don't stand there, looking at me with those horrible eyes of yours and lay the blame for the death of that poor girl on me, when we both know very well I didn't murder her at all, Benjamin. You did.

BEN: No, that's not true.

WIDOMRE. Yes, Benjamin, it is. You creep into my bedroom in the dead of night--like a rat--and have the audacity to pretend that you're the victim? (pause) I know who you are, boy. What you are. I know that everything you have you took from me. So... Once again I ask you: Why are you here?

BEN: I'm here, Charles, to tell you that I'm going to kill your daughter. Penelope, is it? And once she's gone... once she's dead... then you'll understand how I feel. And you'll wish you hadn't changed the rules.

WIDMORE: You'll never find her. (pause) That island's mine, Benjamin. It always was. It will be again.

BEN: But you'll never find it.

WIDMORE: Then I suppose the hunt is on for both of us.

BEN : I suppose it is. Sleep tight, Charles.


The Rules of time travel

When Pierre Chang is called to the Orchid because of a problem with melting drill bits and injured workers, he tells the foreman that they are drilling close to an energy source that will allow DHARMA to manipulate time. When the foreman asks if they are going to change the past:

FOREMAN: (Chuckles) Right. Okay, so, what? We're gonna go back and kill Hitler?

CHANG: Don't be absurd. There are rules, rules that can't be broken.

FOREMAN: So what do you want me to do?

Chang tells him to do nothing. ("Because You Left")

Daniel Faraday tells Desmond that he can help the people who are shifting through time:

FARADAY: You're the only person who can help us because, Desmond... the rules... the rules don't apply to you. You're special. You're uniquely and miraculously special.

According to Faraday, one of the rules governing time is "Whatever happened, happened." All attempts to change the past will fail. ("Because You Left")

Possible references

THE DHARMA

The DHARMA acronym

The following references use the phrase "the rules", but it is unknown what set of rules they are referring to. It could either be the same rules that Ben and Widmore follow, an entirely different set of rules, or they were simply using the phrase as a cliche or idiom.

The DHARMA Initiative

  • As learned in The Lost Experience ARG, the acronym "D.H.A.R.M.A.", as in the DHARMA Initiative, means "Department of Heuristics And Research on Material Applications Initiative"
  • The word "dharma" itself literally translates as "that which upholds or supports" and is generally translated into English as "law"
    • The Dharmacakra, a symbol which appears throughout Lost, is also known as the "Wheel of Law"
    • A "law" is defined simply as "a system of rules"

"The 23rd Psalm"

Ep2x10-smokecreature

Eko faces the Monster

When Eko first faced the Monster, the Whispers mentioned "the rules":

"Who are you and why are you here?"
"Report, report!"
"Saw Charlie with him"
"There’s Charlie"
"Go to hell"
"Steadily"
"He’s trying here"
"Nothing yet"
"Now try him from here, okay"
"Those are the roles (or rules) you accept"
"Go to hell"
"Nine"
"Where"
"Seven"
"He’s hiding something"
"He’s hiding from me"

"Stranger in a Strange Land"

In a note to Isabel, Ben stated that "the rules" didn't apply to with regard to Juliet's trial. ("Stranger in a Strange Land")

ISABEL [reading]: Ben has commuted Juliet's sentence. Execution is off the table. He says the rules don't apply. He has, however, ordered her to be marked.


"Enter 77"

3X11 KlughSayid

"We can't risk it, you know the rules."

Beatrice Klugh referenced "the rules" in a conversation with Mikhail during a tense hostage situation. As Sayid and Kate exited the Flame with Beatrice Klugh as a hostage, they came upon Mikhail, who was holding Locke as a hostage. During the confrontation, Beatrice and Mikhail began shouting to each other in Russian. ("Enter 77")

(Translated from Russian)

BEATRICE: We can't risk it, you know the rules.

MIKHAIL: There's still a way out.

BEATRICE: We won't let them into the territory. You know what to do. It is an order.

BEATRICE: (English) Just do it, Mikhail!

(Mikhail takes aim at Beatrice)

MIKHAIL: (English) Forgive me.

(Mikhail shoots Beatrice)


Coincidental References

Dave-caps648

"Rec Room Rules: Listen Respect Others"

The following episodes use the phrase "the rules", but they are clearly not referencing The Rules of Ben and Widmore:

Trivia

  • In the movie Saw, Michael Emerson played one of the victims of the villain in the film. His character was forced to obey "the rules" in order to discover the location of the antidote to the poison that was in his body.
  • In military or police operations, the rules of engagement (ROE) determine when, where, and how force shall be used. The Rules Ben and Widmore follow appear to be some form of ROE, as they've been shown to specifically relate to the use of deadly force against each other. Furthermore, Alex's death being described as a "change in the rules" could indicate that her status as a combatant had changed under the ROE.

Unanswered questions

Unanswered questions
  1. Do not answer the questions here.
  2. Keep the questions open-ended and neutral: do not suggest an answer.
For fan theories about these unanswered questions, see: The Rules/Theories
  • What are The Rules?
    • Who do they apply to?
    • How and why were the formed?
  • Why did Keamy killing Alex change The Rules?
    • Why did this act change, rather than break, The Rules?
  • Was Beatrice or the Whispers referring to the same rules as the ones followed by Ben and Widmore?