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*I fold, change it to "Jin/Sun" (actually, I'd say just "Jin" but it seems like I'd be voted down), I don't wanna argue with the entire community and seeing as how the two sides of the debate are "none" and "Jin/Sun", having it say "Various" (thus appeasing nobody) just seems kinda dumb. {{User:Jimbo the tubby/sig}} 22:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
*I fold, change it to "Jin/Sun" (actually, I'd say just "Jin" but it seems like I'd be voted down), I don't wanna argue with the entire community and seeing as how the two sides of the debate are "none" and "Jin/Sun", having it say "Various" (thus appeasing nobody) just seems kinda dumb. {{User:Jimbo the tubby/sig}} 22:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
* '''Agree''' — Jin on island. Sun off island. --{{User:Hamdo/sig}} 22:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
* '''Agree''' — Jin on island. Sun off island. --{{User:Hamdo/sig}} 22:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Agree''' - I don't see how their is any debate about this. Off the island Sun is the main character in each scene, and on the island excpet for Locke in the Donkey Wheel Chamber it's all about Jin. --{{User:Dee4leeds/sig}} 14:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
== Episode 1&5 ==
== Episode 1&5 ==

Revision as of 14:04, February 14, 2009

Instead of "title not announced" ...

..what about just TBA with no quotes. I think it will look better. Am I the only one with this opinion? LOST-ParticleMan 20:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Agree: It's a lot shorter too. As for no quotes, I don't think that's possible when using the templates.--Baker1000 20:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
This has been done. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 20:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Sweet! LOST-ParticleMan 21:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

"Oceanic Six"

Is "Because You Left" really "Oceanic Six"-centric? I would actually call it the first episode not to be centered around any particular character or group of characters. (ie: listed as "none")  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  04:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Changed to "Various" for now. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 04:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
"Non-centric," perhaps? -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  05:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
"Various" sounds better to me --     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email   05:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
IMO the centric is more around the "Islandies" ("three years earlier etc) rather than the O6. - TheAma1 12:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


I changed the "Flashes" in (Flashes in Parentheses) to "Centrics" because technically there will be little or no flashbacks or flashforwards for this season. --     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email   05:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Just a note on grammar: would "centricity" work better?  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  19:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think this is necessarily true yet. The first two episodes have a flash ending on a character's face and then a woosh sound, making them technically normal (or similar to the first one with Juliet) flash episodes. The first episode would be a Daniel flash forward, and the second would be a Hurley flashback. We should see if Jughead is following the same pattern, in which case 'centric' is probably unnecessary. --Jackdavinci 23:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

  • What's up with the reverse to 'Flash' and "unknown"? Centric(ism/ity) seemed like the consensus, as well as Hurley's "centering". The first one is not a Daniel FF/FB/whatever, it is focused on everyone without a predominance for a given character. - TheAma1 23:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
    • The first one definitely contained a Daniel flashforward. As for whether it was "centric" to him I would argue it is - the main story line had to do with him figuring out what was going on with the time jumps, and warning past-Desmond that he needed to help. The episode started with his flashforward, a good portion had him explaining things to the other characters or going off on his own to mess with Desmond, and the episode ended with Desmond getting his message in the future and starting to enact Daniel's plan. That's certainly as centric as Hurley's episode. Hurley's episode started with a Hurley flashback, so I don't see any reason to invent a new category for it. The only novelty here was that both episodes started with the flashback or flashforward and each had only one, but even that has been done similarly with the first Juliet flashback. --Jackdavinci 04:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Can I just say that I love the fact that the beginning of "Because You Left" was a flashforward to the past?  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  01:51, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Jughead continues the trend of starting the episode with a flash. I think we can dispense with this "centricity has replaced flashes" nonsense. Episode 1 was a Daniel flashforward, episode 2 a Hurley flashback, and episode 3 a Desmond flashback. How many episodes is it going to take to convince you? --Jackdavinci 03:05, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

In the episode Because you Left is Faraday-Centric , because his character appear in the flashback or flashforward.

*Is convinced.*  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  04:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, we're four episodes in and all have had flashes. Episode 4 is clearly Kate-centric.    CANADA DRY    talk    contribs    email   03:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
We've kind of adopted the rule that the intros to the season don't count as anything, right? Otherwise, we should count 3x01 as Juliet-centric and probably 4x01 as Jack-centric, too. Let's make it simple and say the Daniel flash was an intro thing and leave it alone. Besides, it didn't cut to any of these characters in multiple times, so they don't count to me. Alexisfan07 8 February 2009


Isn't "The Little Prince" more a Kate-centric? - TheAma1 09:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree. This discussion is happening here.   CANADA DRY    talk    contribs    email   15:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Consensus seems to be that the episode is Kate-centric. Can we change it here? Also, the consensus for "Because You Left" is that it is Daniel-centric, so we should change that too.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  23:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

  • The Daniel-centric for "Because You Left" is FAR from being a "consensus". - TheAma1 23:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Yes the Because You Left centricity is still debatable. The Little Prince, however, is clearly Kate-centric and has already been edited on it's main page. It' needs to be changed here aswell. Tranquility 11:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Because you left has followed the same pattern as the rest of the season. What else will it take to convince you? "Final closeup in beginning flash" is a concrete centricity determiner that works for all episodes this season and prevents the constant guesswork each episode. I guess people would rather debate endlessly each Wednesday lol. --Jackdavinci 12:08, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Sun/Jin centric

I think the centricity of This Place Is Death is probably Ben, because it centers around his efforts to get the 6 back to the Island. This template should probably be updated to reflect that. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

Disagree. There is no centricity to this episode.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  03:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

  • Disagree. Agree with last comment. --Xbenlinusx 03:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Damon and Carlton have said that the centricities were going to be less obvious, and focus on more characters at a time, but that they still would be character centric. The blurb for this episode makes it clear that it is Ben. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
  • You'll need a source for that because they also said "there may no longer be any flashbacks or flashforwards" which is what determine centricity.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  04:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Ben's total screen time is approximately 10-15 minutes. Max. You're joking. -- Xbenlinusx 04:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
  • I take back my claim that it is Ben-centric. After reviewing the discussion on the episode's page, I now think it was Sun & Jin. There seems to be a consensus developing toward that. The reason I thought Ben was because of the teaser text, which usually hints toward centricity: "Meanwhile, Ben hits a roadblock in his attempt to reunite the Oceanic 6 and bring them back to the island." I don't remember exactly the source for Damon & Carlton's quote about season 5 centricity, but I'm not the only one who remembers it (see Talk page for ("This Place Is Death")). The idea that there aren't any flashforwards or flashbacks anymore is ridiculous. With the time travel element, everything is a flashforward or -back. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
  • Agree with Jin/Sun for centricity. See the debate on the episode talk page for more info, but the basic point is that centricity does not require a flashback or flashforward. The reason we switched to using "centric" on the episode infobox was specifically because the terms "flashback" or "flashforward" may no longer apply. I think Jin and Sun clearly qualify as "centric" characters for this episode (at least Jin... I suppose Sun is more debatable, but it's pretty clear in Jin's case). -- COMPOSSIBLE  Talk  Contribs  09:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Jin/Sun centric - It has been discussed in length on the epi's talk page. - TheAma1 13:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
It has indeed, and the consensus there is Sun and Jin. Please update the template to reflect this. Also, as I noted before, it's not true that the terms flashforward and flashback don't apply; rather, now everything is a flashforward or flashback. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
  • I agree with Jin/Sun. The first 20-30 minutes in the island definitely center on Jin, and most scenes off the island center on Sun. --Kristbg 14:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
    • I agree with Jin/Sun. Sun gets a "stand-alone" scene while others don't, Jin is the main character through Danielle's adventure, and the final part revolves mainly about the wedding ring and Sun coming back or not. --Comfortably.Floyd 04:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • We have over 15 people agreeing with Sun/Jin centric at the episode's discussion page. This needs to be updated. Tranquility 11:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Definitely Jin/Sun centric. Please change! JamesyWamesy 17:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • I fold, change it to "Jin/Sun" (actually, I'd say just "Jin" but it seems like I'd be voted down), I don't wanna argue with the entire community and seeing as how the two sides of the debate are "none" and "Jin/Sun", having it say "Various" (thus appeasing nobody) just seems kinda dumb.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  22:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Agree — Jin on island. Sun off island. -- Hamdo    [Talk] 22:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Agree - I don't see how their is any debate about this. Off the island Sun is the main character in each scene, and on the island excpet for Locke in the Donkey Wheel Chamber it's all about Jin. --   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  14:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Episode 1&5

I think there should stand "Various" at episode 5 like episode 1 in () Rasmus Ni 17:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

The consensus reached at the episode's Talk page is that it is Sun and Jin. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
I changed it to "Various" for now from "N/A" to keep it similar to 5x01. With the format of the show having no true flashbacks or flashforwards this season, it's getting harder to pinpoint centricity. In "The Little Prince" I think an argument can be made for both Kate and Aaron, and this week in "This Place Is Death" you could say Sun & Jin, or Danielle & crew.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 18:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

There's a huge difference between "various" and "none", imo. Various is for episodes like "Exodus, Part 1" and "There's No Place Like Home, Part 1" where the flashes follow multiple characters (specifically, more than two, because if there's exactly two characters it's easy to do something like Kate/Charlie, Michael/Walt, Jin/Sun). None means that no character was featured in any flash, which is the case with "Because You Left" and {ep|{5x05}}.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  21:12, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad we changed it from "N/A" but I really don't think "Various" is correct either. This isn't like "Because You Left" where no one or two characters were more prominent than any others. Jin and Sun are clearly more centric to this episode than other characters. The consensus among Lostpedia users (both here and on the episode talk page) is that it should be changed to Jin & Sun, so that's what should be done. -- COMPOSSIBLE  Talk  Contribs  00:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it should be Sun and Jin or just Jin. Danielle and crew were featured only breifly at the beginning of the episode, they weren't centric. See talk page for the discussion: Talk:This Place is Death.--Baker1000 00:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculous. All but a few people have agreed that it's Sun and Jin. "Various" is when it's centric to more than two people, like Exodus or Because You Left. ALL previous Sun & Jin episodes are listed as "Sun & Jin", so saying "various" makes no sense. I can't see how anyone could watch the episode and not know that it's focused on Sun & Jin. On Island, it clearly focuses on Jin (barring the scenes with Daniel/Charlotte and Locke/Christian)-so much so that we don't see any other Left Behinders besides Jin until he runs into them almost halfway in.Off Island, well, the entire plot is about Sun-it retells the end of The Little Prince from her perspective, the car scenes focus on her, in fact only the ending scene isn't focused entirely on her and even then she's in it. There is absolutely no reason at all to claim it's anything but Jin & Sun centric, and to do so is silly. --Golden Monkey 16:37, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

This is the only episode not to have a flashback or flashforward this season (or ever?). I think it's fine to label this one by centricity, but I think for all other episodes that do have a flash, it should be labeled by the flash and not by some arbitrary ideas about centricity. Concrete is better! --Jackdavinci 16:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

OK I take it back. Several people have pointed out that the beginning of the episode actually takes place before the end of the previous episode, and so is a Sun flashback. --Jackdavinci 17:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I was really anticipating a flashback to a scene on the Searcher with Sun! I guess Lost isn't that predictable.--Baker1000 20:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • It is a Jin & Sun centric, end of story. - TheAma1 23:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Unsure: I don't think we can confidently say this is Sun and Jin centric, by any means. Sure, Jin and Sun were in it a lot, but the episode did not revolve around them. Danielle's crew (with Jin included) were the main focus of the first part of the episode. Sun appeared in the episode just as much as Jack and Ben did, do I don't think we can consider this a "Sun-centric" episode. Locke also had some pretty prominent moments in this episode (with the well and inside the Orchid) but we don't consider this a Locke-centric. It's safer to say there is no centric (or "Various") instead of Sun and Jin. As of now, I think we should say "Various", because considering this a Sun and Jin centric is bordering on speculation. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 00:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Fair enough, but I still think we should go by what the consensus is, and that's clearly Jin & Sun. If the majority of people felt that it was "Various," I'd support that no matter how much I felt otherwise. But it's clear on this page and the episode talk page that most people think it should be Jin & Sun. It should be changed. -- COMPOSSIBLE  Talk  Contribs  04:11, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
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