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ABC Medianet

Are we not posting the ABC press releases anymore? --Emissary23 22:12, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Pictogram reply Not until the episode airs. cgmv123TalkContribsE-mail 02:05, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

6x02? Oops.

When I type "6x02" into the search box, it brings me to this episode, yet this is actually 6x03. Marc604 22:00, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

This is 6x03

This is 6x03 episode. There is a lot of confusion.. LA X are 6x01 and 6x02. At this moment the episode list is not correct in the season 6 index. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shitoby (talkcontribs) 2010-02-07T19:51:48. This will have to be fixed soon, since it will cause confusing for the rest of the season numbering. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Buffyfan123 (talkcontribs) 2010-02-10T00:55:29. Please take a moment to rank 6x03 over at Lost Rankings: --Turniphead Danny 08:55, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Centric Status

  • This is definitely a Kate centric episode --DesmondFaraday 03:33, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
  • Yep it is Kate centric for sure. Shes the first tradional flash-sideways non-multi centric. Buffyfan123 03:39, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah, whoever thinks Claire gets centricity in an episode called "What Kate Does" should probably stay away from the Edit button.--HaloOfTheSun 03:40, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
Claire in this episode is the same as...well, Kate in Something Nice Back Home, for instance. So yeah, just Kate centric. --Golden Monkey 07:32, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Kate's Flash Sideways

Do we know who cut her handcuffs from anywhere else? --Hickorysmoke21 17:19, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, but why isn't he listed in cast...? --Golden Monkey 06:42, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
His name is Jeff Kober. Mythic Dawn Agent 07:53, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
Not being credited is probably significant, given that they credited the taxi driver, the two nurses, and the cop. Recall that Dr. Marvin Candle/Pierre Change was not credited in his initial appearance in Orientation. I suspect we'll see Mr. Kober again. Sn0re 09:22, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
But was François Chau (Pierre Chang) not credited because his character was special? According to this interview, no, it was because of a conflict between the producers and his agents over what his credit should be. Granted, later it evolved into a mysteriousness thing, but in this case I doubt it. --Cornprone 14:03, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

I've added "differences in Kate's dialogue" to the "Bloopers and Continuity Errors"/ section, but I'm not convinced that this is a real blooper (another possible alternate timeline)? I'm a new poster here, so I welcome your comments.--Dwiggy444 16:18, February 10, 2010 (UTC) --Dwiggy444

No way is it another timeline to the one we saw in "LA X, Part 1". See "This Place Is Death" and "He's Our You" where Sayid's lines are changed slightly from the marina scene. Then "Whatever Happened, Happened" where Kate's lines are slightly different from that scene. And again, "Whatever Happened, Happened" and "Dead Is Dead" where Ben's waking up scene is re-shot, with Locke speaking new lines and using a different tone of voice. It seems shooting a scene from a previous episode with new angles and editing the lines is a common thing in Lost recently.--Baker1000 20:17, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Unanswered questions

"What caused Claire to become like Rousseau in the original timeline?"

Should this really be included? I mean, isn't it obvious that living alone on an island will drive you crazy? MessyM 10:53, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
  • Exactly. I don't even think, she was necessarily that "alone" as she is "claimed" (most probably by the MIB as danielle's crew was) and since we last saw her with the mib-christian in cabin fever --Wurmor 13:43, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
  • At this point it isn't even clear if Dogan is even right about what is going on. My thought is that he isn't, and what is happeneing is unlike anything that has happened before.--DB 14:09, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

"Why all the secrecy regarding Rosseau and Ajira Airways Flight 316?"

I could be wrong, but I thought Aldo kept the information from Kate about Rosseau and Ajira because he was still bitter about the incident when Kate, Sawyer and Alex went to rescue Karl from Room 23 and Kate knocked out Aldo. --Lostbrotha 14:11, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

"Is there a relation between Horace Goodspeed and Ethan Goodspeed?"

Isn't Horace Ethan's father? --Lostbrotha 14:15, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, Horace is Ethan's father.--Dsmrsw 01:43, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

"What is in the box that Sawyer kept in his and Juliet's former home? "

Wasn't that obviously the engagement ring? WeirdDNA 18:30, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I thought it was fairly obvious as well, unless there was more in the box?--Lostbrotha 19:24, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

It looked like there was an article of clothing in there. Who buries a ring under floor boards? pf44 "Why is Ethan off the island in 2004, when he was on the island when Oceanic 815 crashed? "

Should be obvious if you watched the Premiere. WeirdDNA 18:30, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
It looks like it is not fairly obvious, as another user has posed the same question on the main 'What Kate Does' page --J gomboc 17:16, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
Baby Ethan was evacuated from the Island along with Charlotte and the rest of the women and children before the bomb was detonated. The bomb blew up and destroyed the Island and Ethan never returned to the Island. He never grew up as an other and became Ethan Rom, instead he stayed off the Island with his mother and stayed as Ethan Goodspeed, but still became a doctor. Supdude8 15:38, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

"If the note in the Ankh said "the Temple dwellers will all be in trouble if Sayid dies", why does Dogen risk killing Sayid with a poison pill?" - was edited out, reason stated "cause he is already infected". That´s conjecture. Please comment. Thelittlegear 01:05, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ethan alive in flash-sideways? --> Miles still evacuated in original timeline?

So I got a question about how Ethan can be alive and well in the new existing timeline. It seems that he was evacuated with the rest of the people while the happenings of the incident, including Miles as a baby. - But in the original timeline, Ethan never got off the island to become an other while Miles still got off the island with his mom and therefore never met his daddy. It just doesn't fit here... the final question this is about, is, i guess: "Why did Miles and his mom leave in the unaltered past?"

Know what i mean? :) --Wurmor 13:38, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Ethan is alive because he was alive when OA815 crashed on the island.--Stabilini 02:14, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
Who said that Ethan never got off the island? He was probably evacuated with his Mom and returned some time later. Miles and his Mom stayed on the main land after leaving the island. MessyM 13:52, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
See my post on the theories page. This explores this idea in a bit more depth. I think this is a defining moment, and ties down exactly what this timeline is, and is not. --Sean Sheep 14:07, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
I would assume that his recruitment involved Ben: he was with him when he took Alex, after all. But Ben would never join the Others in this timeline, as that only happened due to him getting shot by Sayid. --Golden Monkey 14:50, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
False. Richard had already told him he could probably join (if he was patient) long before he got shot by Sayid. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
Ethan had extensive medical training in both timelines. It was unlikely he received it on the island. It seems most likely that he grew up off-island in both timelines.
I fully agree Enzo_2309
But he was a child when he took Alex with Ben, so maybe he left multiple times, or got his training either way. Who knows?--Hickorysmoke21 17:25, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

They evacuated the island before jughead exploded. If the island sank when jughead went off, then Ethan was off at sea - probably grew up in the states and got his medical training there.--Pittsburghmuggle 22:51, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

It is possible that Ethan was born off the island to the 'same' Amy and Horace (we did see Horace in Portland). In this case it is possible that Amy was never married to Paul, or he still died, therefore Ethan had no choice of his last name. V-vk

  • Yes, but the point remains, that if this occurs off the island, then this timeline has been in existence since before 1977, as the original Ethan was born on the island. I reiterate: if this is the case, the incident had nothing to do with the creation of this new timeline
    • This is exactly what I am imagining. There is no multiple parallel time-lines – “…but you cannot create a new string”, right? I have posted this somewhere else but here it is: try this: draw a straight line (which represents time, and therefore history) and a circle next to it that at one point touches the line. This circle is the Island’s time line, which is rather a loop. So, the loop, which repeats itself with additional events every time. Dates and times do not match on the island and in all the remaining world, we know that. Jacob seems to be concerned to sustain the loop, bringing new people (progress), but MIB is working to break it apart. Many new events make the loops seem stronger on one hand, but also more fragile on the other. If one single event does not happen as planned (rules) the whole loop ceases to exist. And it will happen, sooner or later. But the point where our circle touches the line is just a small dot, a smallest fracture of a second. That is why it actually does not exist for a viewer from the outside world (or from the string). The history was recorded as we see it in the LA X “time-line” in which the flight 815 has safely landed in LAX, AND also crashed on an island sending all our characters to a non-existent world living in a time-loop. And also it does not matter what breaks the loop – it could be as big as the a-bomb detonation, or as small as Richard forgetting to give Locke the compass. --V-vk 08:05, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
      • This is a pretty neat idea, and an interesting one at that. However, it postulates only one point of contact with the real world. In fact there have been many: Black Rock, US Military, Dharma, Hanso Group, French Team, Henry Gale, Desmond, 815, Kahuna, 316 all over the past 150 years (and probably more at that). I could still understand this as a theory, if, once people had been removed from the real world onto the island, (or at least into the alternate universe) they stayed there. However we have a lot of evidence that people went back to the real world (Richard, Ethan, Ben, Locke, Walt, Michael, the O6, Widmore, Desmond, Faraday and/or Eloise, Charlotte, Miles & his mother) at multiple times from the 1950s to the 2000's. Since we know there is interaction between the 'real world' and the island, and at various times you need a much more complex hypothesis in order to make it function. To begin with, the "overall loop" would need to start at least at the point at which the Black Rock makes its appearance, and whenever it ends, it would need to send the entire alt reality (island PLUS 'RW') hurtling back to that point for a game reset. This alt reality, is basically a copy of reality as it exists in the 1850s, complete with all the wherewithall to simulate human progress etc. etc. Within this loop, Jacob & Smokey could play around all they wanted, with the versions of people that they created, including moving people around on the space time continuum, transplanting memories from one iteration to another, to provide 'flashbacks' & 'flashforwards', and also appearing at times to alter history. This is an interesting idea, and is not too dissimilar to one proposed by the philosopher Nick Bostrom: The Simulation Hypothesis, in which he 'proves' that it is almost certain that we are currently living in a (computer) simulation (actually he calls it an 'Ancestor Simulation'). Many people have speculated, however, that time travel in such a simulation is impossible, as in order for it to occur, would fragment the simulation into different subsets, and possibly require all the conscious beings in the simulation to inhabit their own individual simulation, and effectively not interact with other conscious beings, only their avatars. For these reasons, I do not think this idea is correct.--Sean Sheep 10:58, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
        • There are different points of connection of the time loop of the island with the real time-line at different points in time – “the island is always moving” - that is the point is moving in space. There is also a possibility of two (but not more) points. People going off the island – is an example of how the universe course-corrects, to avoid paradoxes. It can be what Daniel called as an “imaginary time” and “imaginary space” - that is how these particular individuals ‘experience’ time and space. Leaving the island they do not get to a real time line but to an extension of the island’s loop, which is also a dead-end. This explains their subconscious desire to return to the island, and their limited free-will (Michael). It also explains impossibility to return to the island by leaving it through the turning of the wheel – it sends one to a random point of the real time (imagine jumping off the fast-spinning carousel – “both, dangerous and unpredictable”). It is possible that Ben and Locke did not get to a real time because of the O6’ previously created extension and their connection ('fate'). Now, it is absolutely irrelevant when, by the island’s time, the island finally disappears with the its whole world – even if this will happen in 2008, or 2009, the island will be already on the bottom in 2004 of the real history, and in 1850 as well. Because it never existed. And that is why Ethan could be born off the island too. A scientific possibility of a similar situation is discussed here. But it is still a fiction we are talking about. So, I can’t wait to hear how it will be resolved in the show.--V-vk 12:05, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Not September 22nd, 2004

Ethan (Dr. Goodspeed) says that Claire is 36 weeks (9 months) along in her pregnancy, but when the plane crashes in the Pilot, Pt. 1, Claire says that she is only 8 months pregnant. Does the new Oceanic 815 land at LAX on a different date? Rddswim 15:40, February 10, 2010 (UTC)Rddswim

For simplicity's sake, let's assume it is til said otherwise. Plus, Claire could have gotten pregnant earlier in this timeline. --Golden Monkey 15:45, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
There is no conflict. One year is 52 weeks; three months is 13 weeks; therefore nine months is 39 weeks (40 weeks is usually considered full-term) and 36 weeks is just over 8 months. --Mblase75 16:09, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, the plane landed on a different day. The ultrasound shows the current date as October 22, 2004. --Rbd318 16:53, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
I will guarantee it is September. It should stay as September until noted otherwise. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  18:29, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
I don't see the October date on the ultrasound. Even if it is there, I agree that it should be considered an error.--Mblase75 18:35, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
Rbd318 is right about the ultrasound date. I feel it's unlikely like could be a mere production error. If it said 2009, I could understand, but... the art department got the year of the crash right but not the month and day?  Robert K S   tell me  20:31, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
    • The date on the ultrasound pic is the due date, about 4 weeks out from the time the plane landed and meaning the flight still landed on the same day. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shivsmonkey07 (talkcontribs) 2010-02-14T23:43:30.
On Sayid passport, the date is 6/oct/04 (I guess), so if this is confirmed, I don't believe in the production error. Sorry for my english, anyway I did an enhanced screenshot: --NEX77 21:34, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
I never paid attention to the date on Sayid's paperwork (it's actually a customs form), but it's pretty puzzling. The form does say the date should be written as day/month/year. The first number looks like a zero, though I guess it's probably 6. The second looks like "04" to me, although I guess it could be "oct." Sayid needs better handwriting. At any rate, because it's a customs declaration form, it should match up to the date of the actual flight, but it doesn't match either the original timeline or the ultrasound. --Cornprone 00:01, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
I find it pretty odd that the ultrasound scan said it was 9.30am, yet the whole flight, Kate in a taxi, Kate getting her handcuffs off, Claire seeing the adopters and going to hospital was all in broad daylight. If the date isn't quite a blooper yet, the time must surely be. Phobia27 00:06, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
Well that's a good point.  Robert K S   tell me  01:05, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
Maybe the printed utrasound was made the next day, and Oceanic Flight X landed on October 21th.--Stabilini 22:49, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

It's a production error, according to Gregg Nations --Jackdavinci 01:43, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

He also says there's a clue on that date. I find a bit strange that they went out of their way to put a date on that sonogram and focus the camera on it if it wasn't meant to be noticed, and if it was, how could they have got it wrong. Maokun 03:10, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
I think the date it's not an error. How can they put a clue and make a mistake?--Stabilini 22:47, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
Aaron was born in the Island the night of November the 1st of 2004 in the original timeline, 42 days after the Oceanic 815's crash. That is 6 weeks. An average pregnancy is 39 weeks meaning that if Claire is in her 36 week, there's no way we're talking of September. The mistake seems to be the day (it should be sometime around the 10th) and not the month.Maokun 03:05, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this would qualify as a spoiler, but the promo for episode 4 all but screams the sideways reality 815 landed in LA sometime before October. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WeirdDNA (talkcontribs) 2010-02-12T14:35:50.
I think there is no error. Oceanic Airlines Flight X landed one month later than OA815. If we are based in the statment that all stories have a fate, we will probably see Artz die in a comic way and if we remeber the original storyline, by these days, Claire was kidnapped by Ethan, who injected her several times with an unknown drug allegedly to prevent her baby to get sick (remember all trouble pregnancy women had in island, maybe if this baby is born before completing what "mother nature" states, he would get sick, and those drugs were for preventing that happen). Ethan says that he "don't want to stick her with needles if he doesn't have to"... but finally (we asume) he did that.--Stabilini 02:53, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

I still haven't seen an HD screencap, but has anyone considered that October 22 might be Claire's due date? It would be consistent with her pregnancy being 36 weeks at the time (again, 40 weeks is considered full-term). In the default timeline, Aaron Littleton was born on November 1, a little more than a week after October 22.--Mblase75 03:47, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sonogramm is taken from this site. --Ireader 16:12, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

        • Exact same thing I thought —The preceding unsigned comment was added by FLocke (talkcontribs) 2010-02-15T20:22:43.
Locke kept saying he was gonna get married in October in {ep/6x04}. Unless he was refering to October of the following year, I'd say it's fairly safe to assume that they landed in september. --LeoChris 03:42, February 17, 2010 (UTC)


General: Kate was the first of the characters to have an episode dedicated to both their own flashbacks and their own flash sideways.

I don't recall seeing any flashbacks in this episode. Is this true?
I think it means that Kate was the first character to have an episode dedicated to her own flashbacks (Tabula Rasa), and one dedicated to her own flash-sideways (What Kate Does) - not both in the same episodes. I agree, it should be worded differently though...

Bloopers: In "Meet Kevin Johnson", the Temple was far enough away from the Barracks that it required a map to get there and the journey took a day and a half (according to Ben). In this episode, people go from the Barracks to the Temple within a short time period.

No one went from the barracks to the temple in this episode. Also the map was only necessary for Rousseau, Alex, and Karl who had never been there before.
Of course, they did the opposite. Kate started off at the Temple, she went to the barracks. The Others needed to take a day and a half to get there, implying some distance. I doubt the distance changes either way. Here, it took no time at all for someone to go from the Temple to the Barracks. --Golden Monkey 19:28, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
No one went from the barracks to the temple, correct. But when Sawyer and Kate are talking on the pier, think about all the events that took place so far in this day including however long it took Kate to go from the Temple to the Barracks. Surely its at least noon. Sawyer tells kate "You can probably make it back to the temple by nightfall" which means that it would take her only a matter of hours. --Cpt cannibal 02:05, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
The day and half reference might be the time it takes an entire camp of people (all the Others) to go from the barracks to the temple, what with all the people and the gear. The time it takes one person (Sawyer, then Kate) could be significantly less. This is not necessarily a blooper.
That still shouldn't shorten a day-and-a-half journey to less than a day. I think it's a valid blooper. --Celebok 21:05, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
It could be it's uphill (or say around a long cliff) to get to the temple from the barracks, a cliff that can easily be climbed down by one person. I'm in full agreement with you, just offering a possibility for the suspension of disbelief.--Pittsburghmuggle 23:09, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
It should be remembered that the two people who made the trip from the Temple to the Barracks were Kate and Sawyer. These two are folks with substantial woods skills and in incredibly good shape. It's not the same as a large group of people selected from a general population. They didn't even make the trip together. --Mdale70 15:35, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
Not to mention it takes them no time to travel from the Swan crater to the Temple, which is located in the "dark territory." In Exodus, we see that it takes them most of a day to travel there with Rousseau from the beach camp and they have to travel along the coast. Considering the Swan is even further inland away from the beach camp this makes no sense.--Beema|talk|contributions 05:54, February 11, 2010 (UTC)


"When Kate and Jin say good by to Jack, Jin first wears a white shirt when he leaves the screen, in the next shot from above another guy took Jin's place and wears a brown jacket. "

The guy in the brown jacket is Aldo, who has been waiting for both Jin and Kate. Jin had left the room before Kate spoke to Jack. So it is not a bloober.Ca3desnox 22:46, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

What did Kate do?

Given the title of the episode, I was expecting Kate to do something profound, or something strongly related to aligning the parallel timeline with the origional (like Kill her step dad instead of the apprentice). Did I miss something? Don820 19:56, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it is just a reference to "What Kate Did" but I believe it also refers to the fact that Kate runs. That's what Kate does, she runs. But while she is wanted for murder, she still has a caring side which is shown by her compassion to Claire. I think that's also a reference to the likes of Tom Brennan who she feels guilty about after causing his death, and Ray Mullen who despite turning her into the police, she still wants him to receive the reward payment of $23,000. In "Tabula Rasa" the Marshal calls her "one of a kind" when she reveals this to him.--Baker1000 20:27, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
Imagine that they called the episode "Kate does stuff." --BalkOfFame 07:13, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
I find it funny that people didn't like this episode much. It could have been called "What Kate annoy the fans"--Baker1000 12:28, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
Now I think about it, there's one thing Kate did in this episode and had never done before: Insinuate she's innocent of her charges. During the whole series, while she always tried to avoid the topic, whenever faced with a direct question she never denied it. It's possible that in this timeline Kate is actually innocent (Perhaps as a result of the omission of Jacob's intervention in the lunchbox episode she didn't gain the notion that she can get away with crime and therefore, she didn't kill her father.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maokun (talkcontribs) 2010-02-13T13:39:58.

Frozen Wheel / Dharma Wheel on Claire's shirt

6x03 Claires-wheel

Closeup of the Wheel

In the hospital scene where the closeup of the sonagram Claire is holding is shown, the patterns on Claire's shirt look very similar to the Frozen Wheel. Gubrutz 20:56, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Where's the outrigger? Possible continuity error

In "Dead is Dead", Flocke and Ben paddled an outrigger canoe from the Hydra island to the main island and docked it at the submarine dock and never returned to it. So it should still be there. When Sawyer and Kate sit on the same dock, the canoe is not there. Can this be considered a continuity error? I mean, you could speculate that the Others took it or something, but I suspect that it's more likely just an oversight by the writers. --Celebok 21:12, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Negative. The dock opposite the hydra island is not the same one was the submarine dock. The submarine dock is at or near the barracks. There are no buildings around the dock opposite the hydra (which I think is where Michael and Walt took off from). WeirdDNA 19:42, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
It may be an oversight, but it's not a true continuity error because there are several explanations as to what may have happened... I don't recall them mooring the outrigger at the dock, so it's likely just floated away in the several days since "Dead is Dead". In fact, it'd be much more unrealistic for the outrigger to remain by the dock when there's nothing to secure it, so I don't think this should be considered a blooper...--BADavid 21:42, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
Plus, for all we know, somebody took it in the interim. The Others, zombie Caesar, a polar bear out on a nice afternoon, etc. --Golden Monkey 22:44, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
Ben and Flocke definately tied their canoe up in Dead is Dead so it should still be at the other dock (which is not Pala Ferry where Micvhael left from). --D Toccs 00:55, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

What Resurrected Sayid?

We are supposed to believe, I think, from this episode, that Sayid came back to life because he was "claimed". But if that is the case, why didn't Rousseau's team members come back to life when she shot them? So, was it the pool? Was it just delayed by the water being cloudy? We need some clarity and consistency on this matter, and I have a feeling we aren't going to get it. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

Danielle shot her team because they were already infected. Sayid died before he was infected. Since Sayid hasn't started acting weird (in a way similar to Danielle's team), we know the infection started just before or after he died (presumably bringing him back to life). Danielle ended her teams' sickness by killing them. That is why Dogen wanted to poison Sayid: to stop his sickness. --Atomic Mystro 05:41, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, but that seems rather arbitrary, and to my mind not supported at all by anything shown in the episode. Nothing whatsoever was said, done, or shown to indicate that it was the sickness that resurrected Sayid. That remains an unanswered question. Also, why would being "sick" bring somebody back to life? That's the opposite of what most "sicknesses" do. And to say that the sickness couldn't bring back Danielle's team because they had to have been dying before it happened in order for that to work is to introduce an arbitrary rule that has no evidence in the show whatsoever. Until it is addressed, either directly or indirectly, in the show, all this remains speculation. So far it has not been addressed. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
    • Being Sick does not bring someone back to life, but it was already established that whatever Dogen said would be better translated as "claimed", "possessed" or "contaminated". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shivsmonkey07 (talkcontribs) 2010-02-14T23:40:05.
Well, Atomic Mystro touches on a question of mine. If they want Sayid dead and have all those guns, a big drowning pool and lots of rocks, why does he have to be poisoned willingly? Has to be something more there. ?everything 20:16, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Smokey is the one who pulled Rousseau's team members into the temple. He kills them and brings them back but they are then infected by him. That is why they when Jin sees them on the beach Rousseau's team defends the smoke monster claiming its just the protector of the island. Now Sayid has also been brought back by the smoke monster and this is why he is now infected and he will soon probably start acting strange as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jacobisdead (talkcontribs) 2010-02-12T15:17:24.

Still all speculation until it's addressed in some way in the show. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

Baby Questions

Is there such a department as an "Obstetrics Triage" department, or at least one so important that it actually has a door with the name "OB Triage" on it? I would imagine triage would happen in the ER, rather than a specific OB Triage department - how many childbirths does that city have per day to necessitate an entire OB triage department?!

And also, having been through the birth of three kids myself (though my wife did most of the heavy work), CAN they give you drugs to put off childbirth? I think they said Claire was at 36 weeks - that seemed like a perfectly decent (though admittedly a little early) time to have the baby.--Pittsburghmuggle 22:58, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

  • There are numerous drugs available to slow or suspend labor. Some can be taken for several weeks to prevent pre-mature birth. --Dwiggy444 02:01, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Most OB departments have their own triage units next to labor and delivery. There are some drugs that are used to attempt to stop labor though none work very well, nobody uses a nifedipine drip, and no ob/gyn would stop a pregnancy at 36 weeks

page 603 doesn't exist, how do you make it so?

When you type '603' in the search engine, it doesn't direct me here. Isn't this why we changed the numbering? How do you make it so? - Shortguy457 23:00, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

  • Our standard notation is 6x03; it worked.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 23:04, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
    • You type 602 or 601 it directs you to "LA X" why change? - Shortguy457 23:17, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
      • All the redirects on the site are there because editors decided to put them there. You create a redirect by editing a page and putting as its content #REDIRECT [[Name of page to redirect to]]. If you want to create a redirect for 603, I don't see a problem with it, unless the number 603 has some other meaning within the context of the show (like 316, which actually goes to 5x06).  Robert K S   tell me  23:39, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
        • Created it. Just click the red page link when you type something in that doesn't come up.--Baker1000 01:11, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Characters not appearing

I deleted Henry Ian Cusick from the trivia section listing actors who don't appear in this episode, as he has been downgraded and is not part of the main cast. Someone else re-added him, so I wanted to get a discussion going. I understand listing members of the main cast that don't appear in an episode as trivia, but not other actors. We don't list other former main cast members after they've been removed from main cast (Dom wasn't listed as not appearing in S4 episodes after his departure), so why list Henry Ian Cusick? This is in no way meant to diminish his role in the series, as I'm sure we haven't seen the last of him, I just think we need to be consistent. --Gluphokquen Gunih 02:28, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

  • Because he was listed in the opening credits. He seems to be in this weird status where the show conciders him a regular, but ABC doesn't, as was the case with Nikki and Paulo in season 3, the science team in season 4 and Charlotte in season 5. --LeoChris 03:02, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
    • Didn't catch that before. That probably warrants its own trivia then, separate from the one in question. I'll split it into two. --Gluphokquen Gunih 05:11, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
      • Yes, Desmond is listed among the main cast. We already note the oddity of this on the season page, no need to have it here. --Golden Monkey 23:33, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Black Smoke after Sayid branded?

6X3-Sayid Torture Smoke 1

Smoke appears after Dogen brands Sayid

6X3-Sayid Torture Smoke 2

Smoke appears after Dogen brands Sayid (continued)

I watched the scene several times to see if I could determine what, if anything, informed Dogen that Sayid had been "claimed". I noticed that after Dogen brands Sayid, an obviously CGI puff of smoke appears from Sayid and dissipates. This of course could be them representing Sayid's flesh burning, but you'd think that would be more of a smoldering, like a burger burnt on a grill. Perhaps this is some of the "infection" (i.e., Smoke monster residue) leaking out of Sayid? What do you all think? Should I edit the article to indicate that smoke comes out of him, even if I don't directly state its THE Black Smoke? Dharmacakra Kevrock   talk  contribs   02:42, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say it was just there to reinforce the idea that Sayid is getting burned. --Beema|talk|contributions 06:00, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
I have to agree, Beema. In my rather stupid youth I was, myself, branded. There wasn't any significant smoke - not to that extent. --Mdale70 15:37, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
Um, ouch?  Robert K S   tell me  22:00, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
    • It also could have been that metal powder/ash that had just been put on Sayid being dispersed into the air. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shivsmonkey07 (talkcontribs) 2010-02-14T23:48:33.

Dogen's Japanese

Anyone here speak Japanese? I'd be curious to know exactly what Japanese words could only be translated as "infected" and "claimed". Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

  • I don't speak Japanese, but I assumed it was dramatic license. The obvious other term for what they are after is "possessed," but that has been overused in too many other contexts. ?everything 20:38, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
  • It would be best translated as possessed or polluted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shivsmonkey07 (talkcontribs) 2010-02-14T23:35:25.

More than one sickness...

There's been some talk about the sickness Dogen thinks Sayid has, and how it relates to Desmond's shots and the quarantine warning on the hatch door. It seems to me that Sayid probably has the same thing that got Rousseau's crew: he's been claimed or possessed by the Monster. Dogen says that Claire got it, but if she did, Rousseau did too. The point is that this is real, it's really happening to Sayid, it really happened to Robert. I think the Dharma sickness is probably a hoax, as shown in one of the puzzles. It's a control, trying to make the swan workers afraid to go outside. Two different sicknesses, one real, one fake. --Emissary23 03:54, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

What I think is more likely is that Dharma knew about the sickness' existence, but, as they had a scientific worldview and the sickness seems to be supernatural in some way, they had no way of understanding it. To them it was probably understood as some undiscovered contagion that exists but of which nothing is known of how to combat it medically. The quarantines were probably an official and likely meaningless measure taken, because they felt the need to do something, but had no idea what to do beyond that. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions


How is this a blooper?...

"The date in Claire's sonogram contains an error and a clue according to Gregg Nations/The Fuselage - Semi-canon. The best interpretation is that it shows the incorrect month (10-22-04) and should be 9-22-04 (September rather than October) and the clue concerns the year, i.e. 2004. (Nation does not refer to the time at all)"

  • Clearly this was intentional. Ethan says that Claire is 36 weeks pregnant. That makes it October.--Mrmagic522 23:19, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
Because it'd be stupid and pointless for everything to be a month ahead. So EVERYONE ended up on the same plane for roughly the same reasons (Jack was down there for Christian, Kate was apprehended, Boone went down to "save" Shannon)...but all a month later? Seriously? --Golden Monkey 23:47, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
I know there is no way it would be a month later. I cant wait till you guys are proven wrong. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  00:35, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
  • I understand that some people are upset with this reveal because it doesn't make much sense yet. But a reveal is a reveal. TPTB revealed that the "sideways" events we are seeing did in fact occur 30 days after the crash of Oceanic 815 in the original timeline. And that's that. You can theorize otherwise, and you may be right. But until there is any contradictory evidence provided, the events that unfold in LOST should be posted in Lostpedia... After all, if this is a blooper then we might as well add to the blooper list, "Ethan says that Claire is 36 weeks pregnant, but she is really 32 weeks."... Just because you theorize otherwise doesn't make it a blooper. --Mrmagic522 01:15, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
    • Mrmagic522, a "reveal is a reveal" yes, but a production error is also a production error. Whoops! Marc604 04:53, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
  • IF (and only if) this is one month after the previous timeline, then it's quite possible John Locke WAS able to go on his walkabout - maybe this time they were able to accommodate him.--Pittsburghmuggle 23:12, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

We now have proof it's a blooper. In "The Substitute", Helen says that the wedding is in October. If it were October in the alternate timeline, then she would have said "the wedding is this month." Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

Engagement Ring

Did it cross anybody else's mind that Sawyer's ring was in that floorboard for 30 years? He hid it there in 1977, time-traveled, and pulled it back out in 2007. Presumably, whatever Dharma personnel lived there in the intervening years never found it. Sithboy 22:09, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Didn't think about it, but whoever lived there next didn't say, "Oh, I have nothing to do, I'm just going to tear up these floorboards and see what's down there." cgmv123TalkContribsE-mail
I am more confused about where he got it from in the first place. Did/Do they have a jewelry store on the island? Simakperrce 15:44, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
They had access to the outside world via the submarine, so Sawyer could have requested that someone get it for him. Platypus3 20:04, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Music in the Mechanic Shop

Do we know what the song that's playing at the beginning of the scene with the mechanic is? It's not listed under cultural references. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CinematicESP (talkcontribs) 2010-02-17T14:58:49.

Enhanced Innocence of Kate

  • I know the enhanced captions are not canon, and I'm not sure about the comicon "Most Wanted" feature, but in this enhanced episode, when alt-Kate is talking to alt-Claire, she says "would you believe me if I said I was innocent?" Now the first time, since this statement was so qualified I didn't make anything of it, but during the enhanced episode the caption reads "another difference in the timelines". That would seem to imply that Kate is indeed innocent. I wonder now if she is taking the blame for someone else, perhaps her Mom? Did anyone else interpret the captions the same way? --Jackdavinci 07:58, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Main Image change

Main Image needs to be changed. New pic would better symbolize main episode plot which is What Kate Does. Also is much better than that same stupid expression kate has in every main picture on this site.

6x03 WhatKateIsDoing

Option #1

Pictogram voting support -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  23:11, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

  • Pictogram conditionally voting support Could we use a shot without the taxi driver? It just distracts from Kate. --LeoChris 23:45, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Or what about this one?  ODK  Talk  Sandbox  06:02, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

6x03 KateGotAGun

Option #2

  • Pictogram voting support Better than both the first option and the current picture, in my opinion --LeoChris 06:49, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
  • Image is fine, but can we please get an image without the shop guy's hair in the picture? (Kdc2 05:32, April 11, 2010 (UTC))

Sonogram clue

Gregg Nations said that the sonogram date has a clue and an error, right? The article now says that the month is an error, which I agree with, and that the clue is 2004, but I think the clue is actually the date: 22. Just like Jack was not in row 23, this is another conspicuous absence of the Numbers, and perhaps an indication that the Island, Jacob, and the Numbers are essentially non-entities in this timeline. Agree? If not, what does 2004 mean? --Emissary23 06:52, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

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