Should we keep the Arctic reference? I mean it's pretty much a given that they were brought there by DHARMA.--Tricksterson 09:22, 2 March 2007 (PST)

  • How to we know? Dharma could have found them and thought... "Hey lets experiment on these" Princess Dharma (banned)
  • I purposely left the bears out of the first draft of this theory because I thought it had been implied in the series, if not actually stated, that DHARMA had brought them to the Island for survival experimentation. Besides, having vehicles survive a vortex trip is one thing, but unprotected creatures, and ones that will not survive in a tropical environment very long, I think is stretching it just a bit too far. I propose creating a section above external links called "Other possibilities" and putting the bear and antarctic listening station cites there...with a note saying see talk page. Kivipat
  • P.S. who do you have to sleep with around here to get a theory listed in the Theory Nav-Box ;-)
  • Heh, sorry. I'm placing it in the "Realist" cat. If you think it should go under anything else, please object. --Marik7772003 23:22, 2 March 2007 (PST)
  • Very interesting theory. I think Henry Gale's balloon too should be listed as one of the objects drawn from an unspecified vile vortex.--Stan 23:49, 13 April 2007 (PDT)
  • At the end of Through the Looking Glass, Jack says that he flys from LA to Tokyo, or Singapore, Sydney. It might be a little off, but the route that those fly should go over one of the vortices. You would think that if he is off the island, he would know that the island is inside these Vortices, and thats why he flies to those places as opposed to anywhere else. Slimg 16:46, 9 February 2008 (PST)


This is the most interesting theory I have heard yet. It would explain alot like Naomi's helicopters instruments going crazy once she saw the island (remember also Flight 815's instruments acted up before the crash).--ConnerXcountry57 18:13, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

Find 815

The game has been looking into the Sunda trench and lists some missing ships including the Black Rock. A Brazilian fan group has thrown the numbers from an in game email plus some coordinate information around and pegs the island as being in the Fiji area. The map they included looks like our vortex of choice.

Amelia Earhart

One of the theories about Amelia, a woman at Juliet's book club, is that she is Amelia Earhart (or her daughter, born on the island). Amelia Earhart, of course, mysteriously disappeared. Could it have been (in reality, or just for the show) over one of these Vile Vortices? These two theories could support each other. --Andreabt 08:42, 10 February 2008 (PST)

  • another theory I've seen is that Adam and Eve are Amelia and her co-pilot Tigerlilylynn 18:33, 16 February 2008 (PST)

Bermuda Triangle

Can we list Locke's dad under possible Bermuda Triangle transport? He was from Tallahassee. -- Xbenlinusx 21:11, 21 February 2008 (PST)

The Numbers

Has anyone checked to see if the locations of the vile vortices have any correlation with the numbers? Just a thought.

  • According to the list of points in the deep-info site they do not. MarcioRPS 06:37, 1 June 2008 (PDT)

In/Out of Phase

Many of the "cons" for this theory seem to center around the lack of overall junk on the island that should have piled up by now, and "why fiji?" etc. What if we imagine, though, that this island is just one of many such places, at each of the vile vortices, but in an alternate universe or time, and the two sets of vortices (there and in normal Earth as we know it) shift around over time and line up in different ways? So hundreds of years ago, the Fiji or Madagascar vortex lined up with the island's fiji vortex for the black rock. Later on, polar vortices lined up instead (perhaps when the EM anomaly was detected) or the Tunisian vortex lined up when Yemi was flying his plane. So junk could come from all over, but since only some areas line up some of the time, we don't necessarily see Amelia Earhart walking around, etc. Perhaps she ended up in back-in-time-India-vortex or somethings instead.

The frozen donkey wheel could force what may or may not otherwise naturally result in a new lineup of the vortices (pushing everything over one notch, or a random number of notches)

The swan station harnesses or controls the same forces as the frozen donkey wheel, and the failsafe key caused basically the same thing to happen as when the wheel is turned. Perhaps the swan station simply stops the island from moving on its own every so often, and restricts movement to the wheel. Or it stops it from moving entirely, and the wheel wouldn't work until the swan was destroyed. The latter would be consistent with Widmore's turning of the wheel as the "incident," since it would disrupt all transportation by Dharma to and from the island and cause a lot of chaos until they figured out how the vortices had lined up again. They then built the Swan to stop it from happening again, but only so long as Dharma was still in control of the island (hence the manual dead man's switch-style protocol with a password, instead of automating the Swan - if the Hostiles or otherwise destroyed Dharma, they knew the Swan would implode without input and move the island again, containing the threat)

Anyway, a possible timeline off the top of my head for the phase line ups:

  • At some early point, the island was lined up with Madagascar or the like
  • Before Widmore, the island was lined up with Tunisia, hence Yemi's plane. Widmore turned the wheel, though, and moved it.
  • Right after Widmore, the island was lined up with Fiji, hence Oceanic 815.
  • After the Swan failsafe was thrown, the island lined up with One of the poles, and the listening post picked up its signal.
  • After Ben turned the wheel again, we come back to Tunisia once more.
  • IF the Swan stops all movement of the island, then we can instead say that Widmore changed it TO Tunisia (over 25 years ago), then the Swan was built, and it changed to Fiji when Desmond let the system failure occur.

Keep in mind, too that the lining up could be different for coming versus going. Also, the island might actually be lined up with more than one vortex at once, but each from a different, unique bearing. Ben gives the bearing of 325 to Michael in order that Michael will show up on modern Earth's Fiji vortex, and will not realize that anything is amiss (and/or so that he hits a vortex at all, and doesn't go in circles like Desmond's boat) Smurfsahoy 20:04, 3 June 2008 (PDT)

Other supporting realist evidence based on vortex time/space travel

-The large number of previously unknown species of insects, etc. on the island that Arzt found - they are all futuristic or prehistoric species, or just alternate ones. There could even be things like dinosaurs around somewhere, but just not on this island due to the lame plot effects that would result.

-Shark research might also make sense, since sharks have supposedly been around on this planet, unchanged, for quite some time. And they might be unchanged in an alternate reality, too.

-The "Sickness," and "magical cures," the fact that nobody gets sick very often - all can be due to the fact that perhaps on this island in another time or place, there are no viruses or bacteria that have evolved to have human hosts, or the ones that have are new and "alien" to us, or engineered, and have odd effects. If it is far into the future, then there could even be leftover biological agents/nanobots, etc. lingering around in the atmosphere from a long-collapsed future society (the producers said the smoke monster is not nanobots, not that nothing is nanobots :) --Smurfsahoy 19:54, 3 June 2008 (PDT)

New station purpose lineup

Rager 20:49, 24 July 2008 (PDT): Given the DHARMA Iniciative was set to experiment with the Vile Vortices using the Island, the known stations should logically have following purposes:

  • The Arrow: Economy, materials storage, logistics and distribution facility.
  • The Staff: Obseratory on health effects of the magnetic exposure of the Vile Vortex (such as on-island fertilisation syndrome [1]). Also medical experimentation station.
  • The Swan: Set up to stop the island from the freely travelling nature of the magnetic rock upon which it was built. The endless travelling had been triggered by the Incident. The Numbers are an ad hoc password to guarantee that its control won't fall into the wrong hands.
  • The Flame: Satellite communications center. C4 used for self-destruction (ie de facto isolation) in case of infiltration.
  • The Pearl: Control center. Provides CCTV surveilance for all stations and is heavily wired for intercommunication purposes. After the Incident, it was turned into a monitoring station for the Swan.
  • The Orchid: Space/time warping experimentation. Located near the device (wheel) that manually triggers the island transfer between Vile Vortices.
  • The Hydra: Zoological complex. Experiments on how exotic species survive to Vile Vortice travelling.
  • The Looking Glass: Hidden submarine dock, as an evacuation facility on oceanic placements (ie most of them). The sonar beacon was tweaked into a signal jamming to prevent unallowed communications to and from the island.
  • The Tempest: Last resort extermination weapon against intruders.

Of course, to prevent the knowledge of the Vile Vortices from leaking, some cover stories are made up as academic/experimental FUD (like the Swan's psycology experiment or the "magic" of the island).

The location of the island should be set at the north-east corner of the square since:

  • Ben appears in Tunisia. (The island would probably "land" on the salt lake Chott el Djerid).
  • The Madagascar location is said to be on sea.
  • The north-east corner lays near the Bermuda island.
  • It matches the Japanese Devil's Sea.
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