Proposal Merge[]
- Merge I think this fits into the category of the shadow, in Archetype --Hunter61 04:09, 28 October 2007 (PDT)
- Merge Yes, seems to fit to me, doesn't really need it's own page. --J-- 05:08, 28 October 2007 (PDT)
- Don't merge - Unseen characters aren't archetypes... at a stretch, it's a stock character, which is a different notion altogether. Of course part of the problem is that sometimes we have categories, but no article for the category, e.g. Category:Writers. In the case of unseen characters, we have a cat, as well as a short explanatory article. However because it's not immediately obvious what an unseen character is, a short article providing a definition seems useful, as we have many articles falling within Category:Unseen Characters. -- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯ Talk 14:10, 28 October 2007 (PDT)
- The problem is that a high percentage of the persons falling in that category don't fit the wikipedia definition. They are neither recurring characters, nor important for the plot. --Hunter61 22:29, 29 October 2007 (PDT)
- Besides, in the article on archetypes it is said that Some of Vogler's major character archetypes, which is similar to the concept of a "stock character",. So it's not a different notion at all. --Hunter61 23:28, 1 November 2007 (PDT)
- The problem is that a high percentage of the persons falling in that category don't fit the wikipedia definition. They are neither recurring characters, nor important for the plot. --Hunter61 22:29, 29 October 2007 (PDT)
- Merge or Delete The only thing I can think of that links the characters of Jacob and the monster (in a literary sense) is a sort of archetype aspect of "shadowy character". I don't think either of them properly fit the Wikipedia definition of unseen character (like, for example, Columbo's wife in Peter Falk's old TV shows). Jacob appears clearly on screen in shadowy form, and is otherwise indicated as being "present". The monster is very clearly shown and interacts with the other characters - it's only the exact nature of the character that is uncertain. --Doc 08:41, 29 October 2007 (PDT)
- Both characters seem to follow the "Unseen character" definition pretty well. I agree that the Monster is no longer "unseen", but it followed the definition for the entirety of Season 1 (this is explained in the article). Jacob pretty precisely much follows Wikipedia's definition of "unseen character". I'm not sure how this term can get confused with "shadow" ? Can someone please explain how "unseen character" and "shadow" are related? -- Dagg talk contribs4 8 16:51, 29 October 2007 (PDT)
- Do not merge: I agree with Santa, an unseen character isn't an archetype, its more a literary technique if anything IMO. --Nickb123 (Talk) 09:36, 6 May 2008 (PDT)
Jeremy Bentham[]
should he be added here?--ElectAbuzzzz 07:46, 31 May 2008 (PDT)