Talk: Timeline

The Other Woman

• The Day Ben takes Juliet to see Goodwins dead body, it has not been placed into the timeline yet. Its unclear when it takes place, but I'd place it anywhere between the days of Outlaws and What Kate Did, since Ben and Juliet go to the station to see Jack in Hatch on monitor on Day 49. Any ideas when it takes place?

Table format not uniform here...

• Someone mentioned on the job list that Sep/Oct was a table, whereas Nov on was not, and I came here to work on making the latter ones a table; but having looked at it, I'm not sure I agree anymore. While the table does look nice on the eyes, it's difficult for the average user to edit, and isn't very user-friendly (which could lead to mistakes). I'm almost thinking it might be better to switch it back to regular format, since these are high-traffic editing pages. I'm a little undecided, but I'd like to take a vote. Take a look at the main article under "edit" before you decide (examples of table and of regular subheadings format), to see the amount of code involved first. --PandoraX 05:58, 6 November 2006 (PST)

Vote: Table or Regular Subheading Format?

• Regular --PandoraX 05:58, 6 November 2006 (PST)
• Table Pierre80 19:05, 9 November 2006 (PST)
• Regular -- but we could improve it a bit (for example, we could have a two-cell table for each day -- left big cell : events, right small cell : titles of episodes) SGC.Alex 03:19, 12 November 2006 (PST)
• Regular --Grafix 00:43, 30 November 2006 (PST)
  • I edited December to illustrate what I meant. Feel free to revert it if it needs to be! -- SGC.Alex 03:27, 12 November 2006 (PST)

Decision: Regular (non chart) by majority. Sorry Alex, but the hybrid format was still causing problems with formating the other pages, so I had to revert back to the simplest possible standard. This way, all the pages will be uniform, and newer users who don't know how to follow chart formating can still contribute. Keep in mind that these timelines are frequently edited b all sorts of lostpedians and updated with every episode, so the least amount of coding, the better. --PandoraX 09:16, 30 November 2006 (PST)

• It is too confusing with two sets of dates. I don't think the anomaly has been explained enough to definitely say Day XX here is Day XY there. The helicopter left the Island on Dec 24 and arrived on the freighter Dec 24, and the trip took only 20 minutes for the people on the chopper. They have barely begun explaining the problem, so let's not jump to conclusions. It should read December 24, 2004- Sayid calls Jack from the freighter. December 26, 2004- Jack receives phone call from Sayid. We'll see what day it is when Sayid and Desmond return to the Island. We all know something is screwed up. (Jack Dutton 21:42, 29 February 2008 (PST))
• Because Penny is standing in front of a Christmas tree with three unopened presents does not mean that it is December 24. It could very well be December 26.
• Desmond did; however, tell Penny he was going to call on Christmas Eve. The "time-shift" is going to and from the island. The freighter is far enough from the Island to not be effected by it. If they left on the chopper and took a twenty minute ride back, but it was near two days in the perception of those on the island, this theory is logical.
• A communications room that was trashed days before may not have an accurately marked calendar.

Merge?

Merge this page with Event chronology? Pierre80 19:05, 9 November 2006 (PST)

• Fairly straightforward call to merge it, so I did. Thanks. --PandoraX 15:55, 22 November 2006 (PST)

After-crash time

Q: The episode list for White Rabbit (for instance) has "7 days after crash" in the table, and the episode description says "7 days", but September's timeline says it happens on the 6th day. What gives? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DanielDíaz (talk • contribs), 18:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Who thinks 'Par Avion' happens on day 80? I'd have put it at day 78, the day after 'Enter 77'. If it's because Claire said 80 days on the message attached to the bird, I'd say she was just putting a round number, but I can't be bothered to argue about it! :) Burt Gummer

Claire says "we have survived on this island for 80 days", which technically would mean that it takes place on the 81st day. That is consistent with Claire also saying to Charlie "you've been depressed all week". If Charlie and Desmond had their conversation during the evening between days 73 and 74, this fits with Claire saying this on day 80 or 81. It can be assumed that a few days have passed off camera. Those few days also allow for Sayid et al to walk to the fence, and for something to happen to Jack. -- Cheers (talk) 16:52, 20 March 2007 (PDT)

And Ben says '80 days' in The Man From Tallahassee. That ends it! Burt Gummer

Some ruthless editing needed.

There's way too much detail in the most recent episodes!
The timeline doesn't need to re-tell the story, just put it in chronological order.
Day 74 only needs: "Jack meets the kidnapped Tailies, and prevents Juliet's execution. The Others leave Hydra Island, taking Jack with them".
Day 75 only needs: "Hurley finds a VW camper van in the jungle. Kate and Sawyer return to the beach camp. Kate, Sayid and Locke ask for Rousseau's help to free Jack".Burt Gummer

I agree somebody please do something if I touch people will yell. Princess Dharma (banned)

I've had a go at the December 2004 page. Somebody please take a look and tell me what you think.

It looks drastic. But the basic idea is that, in a year's time, nobody will want to check up on when Locke and Sayid discuss what killed Eko, or when Charlie and Hurley got Desmond drunk. So I've taken out all that kind of detail.

Burt Gummer

The episode pages' day counts don't correlate with what the show indicates. "The Economist" is listed as taking place on Day 94, but the Enhanced episode indicates it's Day 92.Thektulu7

See the discussion under December 2004. The enhanced version of the economist (which may or may not be canon) is where that information comes from. The date from the enhanced version of the economist is not consistant with other information from the show. Dharmatel4 19:13, 24 February 2008 (PST)

Tie-in novels

Should events from the three official tie-in novels (Signs of Life, Endangered Species and Secret Identity) be included on the timeline? They are written in a format similar to the episodes, and I don't see why it would do any harm, seeing as they have been endorsed by ABC and appear to be canon... --Bohrok Awakener 06:01, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

Episode names

Sometimes when looking up island events, it's a little tough to remember what month an episode took place in. Would it be reasonable to have mentioned for each month, the episode(s) that were on the first on the month and on the last? For instance:

1. September 2004 - Day 1 (Pilot Part 1) to Day 9 (Confidence Man)
2. October 2004 - Day 10 (Confidence Man) to Day 40 (Deus ex Machina)
3. November 2004 - Day 41 (Deus ex Machina) to Day 70 (Every Man For Himself)
4. December 2004 - Day 71 (Every Man For Himself/The Cost Of Living) to current island date.

Jeremiahsmith 09:33, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

• I like it how it is --Nintyplayer 06:42, 7 April 2007 (PDT)

split and rewrite

Am I the only one that thinks the TLE timeline should be kept separate from the show timeline? Maybe in another article called Timeline:The Lost Experience? ALSO, I think the timelines should be re-written, these are really poor right now... I, personally, think this could be a little more detailed, and the pre-crash article really isn't helpful without more flashback info... suggestions? (Isolation815 23:05, 12 April 2007 (PDT)) Actually, could we merge September with October and also change this:

Day 33 - Sunday, October 24, 2004

"...In Translation"

• Sawyer brings Jin to the beach for a confrontation with Michael. To save her husband from an unwarranted beating, Sun speaks English in front of everyone. Jin leaves Sun and moves to the beach.

"Exposé" (Screen title: 48 Days Ago)

• Arzt, Shannon and Kate argue about the guns from the Marshal's case. Nikki and Paulo go to the waterfall. Paulo dives in and finds the bag but tells her he didn't.

to this:

Day 33 - Sunday, October 24, 2004

• Sawyer brings Jin to the beach for a confrontation with Michael. To save her husband from an unwarranted beating, Sun speaks English in front of everyone. Jin leaves Sun and moves to the beach. ("...In Translation")
• Arzt, Shannon and Kate argue about the guns from the Marshal's case. Nikki and Paulo go to the waterfall. Paulo dives in and finds the bag but tells her he didn't. ("Exposé") (Screen title: 48 Days Ago)

? (Isolation815 23:13, 12 April 2007 (PDT))

I'm not bothered by TLE references.

I think details should be kept to the bare minimum needed to identify the event. The timeline should emphasise event chronology, not re-tell the story. The episode links are there, for more details.

What do you gain by embedding the episode titles in the text? In the current format, you know exactly where to look for them. But then, I probably only like it that way because I'm used to it, and fear change!

Anyone else got an opinion? Burt Gummer 00:11, 15 May 2007 (PDT)

Post-Island Timeline?

Should we start a post-Island timeline? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pennyj (talk • contribs), 04:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC).

Not yet. We don't have any solid time clues, do we? -- Cheers (talk) 22:06, 23 May 2007 (PDT)

The phone that Jack uses is the Motoroloa KRAZR, which was released in late 2006. That would put Jack's flashforward to be anywhere between November 2006 to the present. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Inker (talk • contribs), 08:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC).

I think it would be worth starting a "timeline" that doesn't include dates. Just put post-island events in some kind of chronological order. Dates can be added (or the order re-shuffled) as and when the knowledge comes in. Burt Gummer 11:34, 14 February 2008 (PST)

This is already happening see Timeline:Post-Island. Dharmatel4 11:41, 14 February 2008 (PST)

Season 4 Reference

Since no details about season 4 have been released, should the references to Season 4 taking place in January 2005 be removed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sawyerrocks (talk • contribs), 14:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC).

Wrong on-island dates

When Oceanic 815 left Sidney on September 22nd, it was September 24th on the island. which means they in a way skipped the rest of 22nd and the 23rd, and got right into Spetember 24th. So if this right, all the dates has to be changed.

Benlinus 14:06, 3 March 2008 (PST)

You should check out some of the talk on The Constant. It's too early to say definitively that the island is always 2 days ahead. We shouldn't change all the dates until we get a little more grasp on the situation. Be patient, Daniel will tell us all exactly what the heck is going on. --bq 00:28, 3 March 2008 (PST)

Timeline Audit?

It may be presumptuous of me to ask, but how certain are we of the timeline as stated on Lostpedia? When was the last time someone retraced the days and dates back to the last known exact date to figure out if December 26th is correct? Given our current knowledge of the date off the island, are we certain that we have the correct date on the island?--Chuck 09:25, 3 March 2008 (PST)

I really think we should do this as a table, and source all the dates in one column. For example "calendar shown in episode" or "X days ago shown on screen" or "X days after episode Y" or "given in extended info" or "mentioned in podcast Z", etc.--Jackdavinci

Find Oceanic 815?

Should we include find oceanic 815 into the timeline?

Non-episode scenes added?

Should we have the information from the lost flashbacks (Claire and Sayid at the airport), deleted scenes, and/or Missing Pieces added? I don't see anything that says everything needs to be from the episodes themselves, and there's certainly plenty of info from the ARGs. I think it'd be a good idea to add what we've learned from those kinds of non-episode scenes. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't count as canon. Tygartl1 10:48, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

I think we should go by what's canon. The episodes and flashbacks are canon. The mobisodes are also canon. Deleted scenes and ARG stuff are quasi-canon, so shouldn't be included except when the same info is in the show itself already. --Jackdavinci

Simplification

• Do to all the confusion over timeline days, it seems silly to me to specify on every single character page which days comprise each season. It should be sufficient to simply list each season without the days in parenthesis. If people want to know how long a season lasted in show time they can go to the timeline or to the article for that season. Otherwise a million articles will have to keep changing each time we change our minds about the timeline. That said, why did we start dividing it by season anyway? Within the show the characters don't have a concept of what season of the shoe they are in. I thought the pre-island/island/post-island worked much better. Especially now with the flashbacks and flashforwards! It doesn't seem to make sense to divide character histories by the chronology of episodes aired when the episodes themselves jump back and forth within the chronology of the Lost universe. --Jackdavinci 21:51, 18 April 2008 (PDT)

Big Change

We've been talking for a while on Talk:Timeline:Post-Island about a rename and some other things. I think we should merge Timeline:September_2004,Timeline:October_2004,Timeline:November_2004, and Timeline:December_2004 into Timeline 2004. Timeline:Post-Island Should be split into Timeline 2005, Timeline 2006, and Timeline 2007. The idea is to get away from calling it post island, as it looks like we're going to have on and off island stories in 05 on, and those dates are now called post island. Please comment on ideas. --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 23:07, 8 June 2008 (PDT)

• Disagree - Keep it split in months. There's too much info for one page. In Post-Island Timeline it is sometimes hard to separate one year from another, so make it just 2005 and beyond. Malachi 23:30, 8 June 2008 (PDT)
• I agree with Malachi. The three months between the crash and O6 rescue contain four seasons worth of events that would be way too much for one page. They need to be split up by months. And everything after the O6 rescue is still too vague to categorize at this point, so it should remain as it is until we learn more. The only change that needs to be made is to rename "Post-Island" to "Post-Oceanic 6 Rescue" or something along those lines. Celebok 11:14, 9 June 2008 (PDT)
• I like having a section which is specifically designated as "on Island" meaning the main section. If and when it turns out that they return to the Island we can revisit. I will say that the current way that the "off Island" section is organized seems sloppy, so maybe making the change will be good.--Pennyj 20:18, 10 June 2008 (PDT)

• Other proposition - As I've proposed on the post-Island talk page, I think it would be better to do from 2004 and on two clear timelines, one off, one on Island. Basically the post-crash timeline would be the same except be named post-crash on island timeline (or something like that), and the post-island timeline would be split into years and would be named something like "post-crash off Island" mixing perhaps also events that happened from sept 2004 to dec 2004 but Off Island (I am not talking about the freighter as I think these events should stay in the post-crash on island timeline). Basically it would go something like:

• Post-crash timeline - On Island, chronology of events after the crash on Island.

• September 2004 - Day 1 to Day 9
• October 2004 - Day 10 to Day 40
• November 2004 - Day 41 to Day 70
• December 2004 - Day 71 to Day 101
• Etc.

• Post-crash timeline - Off Island, chronology of events taking place off the island after the crash.

• 2004
• 2005
• 2006
• 2007
• Etc.

The phrasing of the timeline might perhaps not be the best here but I hope you understand what I mean.

- TheAma1 04:59, 11 June 2008 (PDT)

• Disagree with Other Propostion - I think at the very least the Sept. - Dec. 2004 timelines should remain the way they are. There are certain off-island events that are incorporated there (i.e. the discovery of the faked wreckage) that are relevant to on-island events. --LOSTinDC 07:33, 11 June 2008 (PDT)
• I would propose that it be broken down (for now, until we see what Season 5 brings) like this: Pre-Crash Timeline; Post-Crash Timeline to Rescue, with separate pages for Sept; Oct; Nov; Dec; and Post-Rescue Timeline. Why? At this time, we have no clue what timeline on-island events will be on in Season five - its possible that on-island events will also be in 2005, its possible that they will be in 2 million B.C. - we just don't know. What we know now from the four seasons we have - is that the rescue/moving the island marks a definitive change in the timeline that is a good place to split up - just as the crash was a good split for pre/post-crash timelines. --LOSTinDC 07:34, 11 June 2008 (PDT)

• My main point wasn't on the fact that for instance off-island events during september (or whenever in 04) should be seperated from the current timeline, rather that the deconstruction of the post crash timeline should remain as it is (month-wise) whilst the post rescue or whatever you want to call it timeline be divided into years. Post-Island events are getting pretty dense as we go along, and even in one small season we have a huge chunk of information post-Island that needs clarification by putting into dedicated years (cf for instance the season 4 post-island summary). - TheAma1 14:48, 11 June 2008 (PDT)

• I think the best thing, is to just wait to see what the status quo is come January. Merging the pages into 2004, 2005 pages won't happen. The pages are already huge and if someome with an older browser edits them as it is, we could lose content. Merging them will cause nightmares. We don't know where we are regarding Season 5, we should try and pre-empt it.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  19:00, 8 August 2008 (PDT)
• This is starting to get a bit confusing. We have two "sets" of 1970s events, one in Timeline:Pre-crash and now one in Timeline:Post-return. It's tough to get a feel for the overarching timeline when we have the same time period split up in various articles.--SideShowMel0329 05:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Proposal: Tag events by whether they have been seen or only referred to

While going through the timeline pages it seems like there is a lot of information that has either only been referred to in a passing comment, or has not been seen in the context of the show. I think there should be some sort of tag separating events that HAVE been seen. Things like show footage, Missing Pieces, and any of the Comic Con extra videos are things that have been viewed. Non-canon footage would not be included. The purpose of this would be so that after the series is done, it would be possible to view events in chronological order without having to sort through what can't be viewed on a regular DVD or internet video. Gutsdozer 05:51, 16 November 2008 (PST)

I like your proposal, it means going through and retaging some of the entries though. Omggivemaafningusername

New Nav-Timeline template

I have some ideas about a new navbox for Timeline articles. I really want some respons about my ideas. You can see my ideas here and here - Rasmus Ni 14:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

The whole Timeline needs to be fixed and cleaned up

Ok, ever since these time shifts started, this timeline has become a mess. Certain events on the post time shift page are listed on the post return page, and some of them are also on listed on the pre crash page. Since we are now seeing alot of events that are taking place in the past, shouldn't all of these events just be listed on the pre crash page and nowhere else? These events are things that have always happened in the past, and will most likely have caused some things we have already seen in the post crash period of sept-december 2004, so if we want this timeline to be truly chronological, we need to organize not by the chronology of the characters lives, but by the chronology of events. So, it should be:

Pre crash timeline (this will including all the events of the time shifts and events after the final shift in the dharma era)

Post crash - sept - oct - nov - dec

Then, I think the 2005 and Beyond should be renamed to 2005-2008 and place it right after december 2004

And then, Post Return (will only include events of Locke/Ben/Caesar, etc., until we find out specifically what time they are in (has to be at least after dec 2004) --Mattfarley1008 21:05, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't seem right that someone who would wonders "What did Juliet et al experience after the frozen wheel was turned?" should have to comb through page after page of the timeline of events as they happened to try and find the different flashes and then to try and put them in the order Daniel et al experienced them. It may not be the clearest the way it is now but that just means we need to work to make it clearer and doesn't mean we should just give up and delete it. {{SUBST:User:jdray/autosig}} 02:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

The right thing to do in my opinion is to have a chronology-based timeline, and then separate timelines for each individual that experiences a time shift (to date Locke, Sawyer, Juliet, Jin, Daniel, Charlotte, Miles, Jack, Kate, Hurley, and possibly Desmond, Sayid, Sun, and Ben). This way if someone is interested in Juliet's experience with time, they can view her timeline, with the appropriate links into the chronology-based timeline as well (as well as vice versa). Thoughts???? Michael.b.price 02:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

There is a big discrepancy that needs to be cleared up. The date on the paper of Jeremy Bentham's obituary in in Aprl 2007. However, Locke's passport was dated as issued December 2007. It appears the current Lostpedia timeline bases numerous events on the passport date. But since Locke dies AFTER the scene with the passport, equal consideration needs to be given that "present day" is not late 2007/early 2008, but rather April 2007, based on Locke's obituary, and then work backward from there. It is a clear set of two contradicting pieces of evidence, for which I can find no compelling reason why one is more meaningful than the other.

• The obituary was created by the prop department and has been confirmed not canon. I guess it was not meant to be enhanced to be read. The passport however was given a clear close-up. That is the clearer and more obvious one to use as a timestamp. -JamesyWamesy 04:08, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Rename of sections

I think the timelines are way too confusing. 2005 and beyond? Post-time swifts? How about just:

• Pre-Crash (including Dharma era)
• September 2004
• October 2004
• November 2004
• December 2004
• Time Shifts
• Off Island

Dancing Penguin (Talk!) 23:56, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree that it is too confusing, but I dont think this would be quite right, we shouldnt have a seperate page for Dharma era events, since all of those events take place pre crash, read my post above this one --Mattfarley1008 05:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I corrected that. Dancing Penguin (Talk!) 15:00, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

• The worst one for me is the overly large 2005 and beyond. Why not have separate years for 2005, 2006, etc.? Also, we could couple two of the timelines instead of keeping them separate and referring to the other one, with Post-Time shifts and Post-return. It seems silly to have both. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 06:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Agree. Dancing Penguin (Talk!) 15:00, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

• One of the main issues that needs to be decided on is: Shouldnt this timeline be putting everything that happens in chronological order? Just as we have seen flashbacks that take place in the past, the time shifts and dharma era events take place in the past also, and should only be listed there in the pre crash section. We could put some kind of reference or link at the end of the december 2004 section to note this, but there really shouldnt be a separate page for time shifts and especially post time shifts.--Mattfarley1008 20:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree. Right now we're just adding facts to a big "list" as we go along, in the show's chronology. I don't see the point of having a timeline if you don't put the events that happened in 1977 after the ones that happened in 2004. We should be able to put the show's events into context ("oh, so Jin was born in the same year he joined on the Dharma Initiative!"). As for the time shifts, maybe we could list them in the time flash article and add to the timeline the ones we know the dates for. --kristbg 19:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

• My understanding was that everything that happens was being put in chronological order on the timeline. Are you suggesting that this means we shoud delete the page of time shifts that are listed in the order Sawyer et al experienced them? If so I strongly disagree as I think that page is very important to keeping the story of what happened to Daniel et al straight. If that page is deleted someone who wanted to find out how events chronolgically occured for Juliet et al would have to spend too much time combing through the other timeline just trying to find it all and keep it in the different order in their heads. I believe this has already been discussed on the talk page for that article. There should defintley be a seperate page for time shifts. {{SUBST:User:jdray/autosig}} 02:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
  • If so, then at least the post time shift page should be merged with the time shifts page, and just have everything occuring in the dharma era before the O6 return listed there, under the final time shift. And, then should we just list everything twice on both the pre crash page and the time shifts/post return ('77 events) page? Some of it is on the pre crash page now but not in as great of detail.--Mattfarley1008 02:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Please see my comments in the section titled "The whole Timeline needs to be fixed and cleaned up". Michael.b.price 02:32, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

What's up with the British date format?

Why have all the dates on Lostpedia been reformatted to "day month year" rather than "month day, year"? We follow U.S. conventions for spellings and everything else on the encyclopedia. Was the date format ever discussed? Is there a technical reason for the UK-style preference?  Robert K S   tell me  08:46, 30 March 2009 (UTC)