Talk:Timeline:2005–2007

Date of Funeral the meeting with Kate

They give the date of the funeral and the meeting with Kate as April 6th, 2007. I'm not sure that we can be that specific. Jack tries to kill himself not earlier than the night of April 5th, but that's assuming that the paper and the flight took place on the same day (not an unreasonable assumption bt an assumption). Then we're assuming that all the action post bridge attempt takes place in one day.

• It's not possible that the events could have occured on the 5th and 6th of April. If you want to use the date of the paper that's fine but you also have to use the actual dialogue from the episode (and facts about flight) to get the dates. To begin with April 5, 2007 was a Thursday. Jack specifically told Kate that he flies out every Friday night. For all of it to be correct it would mean that the paper was left behind by somebody (or even picked up at the moment the stewardess was talking to everyone) and given to Jack on his return flight. Due to his usual flight destinations and time of flight for each one the earliest he would have been back to L.A. would be just before or just after midnight of Sat/Sun. This would make the flashforward (funeral at least) take place on Sunday April 8th. With that being a Sunday, Jack would not have been able to visit a pharmacy that day so the rest of the events would have taken place on Monday the 9th. This is also evidenced by the fact that the surgery was not going to take place until the morning after the accident. This would then place the meeting between Jack and Kate either on the night of the 9th or the post midnight hours of the 10th.Veridicum 17:25, 1 June 2007 (PDT)

You make some good points, except that pharmacies, not being government institutions, are indeed open on Sunday. --Jackdavinci 22:54, 1 June 2007 (PDT)

Must be because I'm used to pharmacies being closed on Sunday's as I grew up. Other than that, the pharmacy visit doesn't happen on the same day as the funeral anyway.Veridicum 08:42, 3 June 2007 (PDT)

Okay I nitpicked earlier but I'm not that happy with the new timeline. I don't buy the April 8th timeline. Jack clearly says "I have a drink and I fly home." So he's not spending a lot of time in wherever. That fits with his intention. He wants the plane to crash and get back to the Island. So Jack says that he flies out "every friday night". So the scene on the plane presumably takes place sometime on Saturday. This would put the suicide attempt at no earlier than Saturday night. It could be later but I'll repeat that given the textual evidence of the show the plane ride is on Saturday the 7th. There's some SLIGHT evidence that the suicide attempt takes place on the 7th as well. Jack says to Kate "Hey... I JUST read" [emphasis mine]. This would seem to indicate that he read about the death fairly recently and hadnt taken a day or so to mull it over. Of course Jacks definition of just might be different from mine, or it might just be a turn of phrase.

He flies out Friday nights, let's say between 5 and 7. The flight to Sydney alone takes over 13 hours. Anywhere North and East of there will take appx. the same amount of time if not longer. That puts total fight time at over 26 hours. If he gets a drink it's not like he will immediately be boarding the next plane within 5 minutes of getting off the other one so even if that takes no more than an hour between flights that puts total time at a minimum of 28 hours. 28 hours from the time he left LAX would be between 9 and 11 Saturday night. Since it is specifically said that Jack was out on the bridge at around 2 in the morning, how is there a problem with the April 8 timeline. The only way any of this is wrong is if the date in the paper doesn't mean anything. Also, there have been numerous times (specifically the last two president's deaths) where a person dies one day and the memorial takes place a few days after.Veridicum 19:09, 9 June 2007 (PDT)

I had a problem with putting seeing the paper on April 8th. Assuming the surgery chiefs statement was accurate and not just an aproximation, then the bridge thing could clearly be in the early morning of April 8th. But it seems to me that Jack probably saw the paper on the 7th.

Adding Lost Experience post-2005 events to the timeline?

Any opinions on adding the Lost Experience post-2005 events with dates into the timeline? The initial example I'm thinking of is the spider protocol email dated June 2006 which seems to announce the Island as the new target for the Spider Protocol. Dharmatel4 20:39, 23 June 2007 (PDT)

Find815?

Should we be adding the big plotnotes to the Lost timeline like we did with TLE? --   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  12:33, 1 January 2008 (PST)

We should take a few days to see if we can properly identify a date for it. The story seems to take place in the past, and not in the present as TLE does. The day i believe is early 2006 as has been indicated by the stocks on the tv in Sam's house. I have the exact date written down but we should give it some time to confirms. -Mr.Leaf 12:48, 1 January 2008 (PST)

Thats sounds like some impressive usage of details. --   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  04:42, 2 January 2008 (PST)

But doesn't the Oceanic Press Release say: December 28th, 2007? That puts FIND815, here and now I would say. --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 07:53, 2 January 2008 (PST)

Inconsistency with Find815 and 3x22 dates

There is an inconsistency between the Find815 ARG dates and the (presumed) dates of the flash forward in 3x22. If Oceanic recommenced their activities on December 31 2007, then how could Jack have used his Golden Pass prior to to that date (April 5 2007).--ferd 07:47, 2 January 2008 (PST)

My guess is we jumped to a conclusion with the April 07 date. The article was inserted into an actual newspaper from April 07 (roughly when they should have been filming the episode). It may very well have been intended for no one to pick out the date of the paper. But I think we'll find out soon. --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 07:51, 2 January 2008 (PST)

I read elsewhere on the site (Coffin Theories; sorry can't figure out how to link the theories) that the newspaper was to be disregarded as the producers are going to redo it. There's no source for that, but if that's the case then the whole April 07 Timeline might be obsolete, although definitely some nice logical deductions made by the Lostpedians!  Liveweak  23:03, 6 January 2008 (PST)

There are even bigger inconsistancies as to find815. For example, we know that Anthony Cooper has to have reached the Island after the airliner was found at the bottom of the ocean. But that doesn't seem to have happened by the start of find815. The events of find815 also seem strange to place in 2008 (four years after the crash). We are to believe that Oceaniac ceased operations for at least three years but people (like the character in find815) are still normal employees. I think we should leave things as much as possible as they are in the timeline until the show itself offers a correction or an explanation. Dharmatel4 08:16, 7 January 2008 (PST)

Regarding Anthony Cooper's statement, although he says that the plane John was on crashed in the Pacific, it's possible that this was just an assumption that he made. Perhaps at the time the search for Oceanic Flight 815 was still underway and it was still reported as "missing". When a commercial airliner is reported as "missing", the only possible explanations that I can think of would be that it was either hijacked or it crashed, the latter being the more likely of the two.

Now I don't know if there's ever been any instances in airline history where a commercial plane crashed in the middle of the ocean and was later recovered along with survivors of the crash, but my guess if this has ever happened, it probably is a very rare occurrence. Furthermore, even if it is plausible for someone to survive a plane crash in the middle of the ocean, the odds of said plane crashing onto an island are almost nonexistent. So with this in mind, the idea of surviving a plane crash in the middle ocean would require one to somehow find a way out of the plane as it crashes into the ocean and then staying adrift in the ocean waiting to be rescued, a task which would most likely prove to be very difficult for a paraplegic like John. But supposing that someone could survive such a plane crash, the issue of sustenance would also come into play, as circumstances would likely provide any survivors with little or no sources of sustenance, and the average human can live thirty days without having any food and three days without any water. Assuming that only a short amount of time has passed between when Cooper first arrived to the Island and when Ben first showed him to John, this would mean that close to three months had passed since he had first heard about the disappearance of the plane that his son was on.

So with this in mind, I would think that coming to the conclusion that Oceanic Flight 815 did crash and that John Locke died in the crash (and if not in the crash then certainly sometime within the three-month period after the crash) would be perfectly sound. This would probably be especially true for someone like Cooper who would rather have John dead so that he'd never have to worry about dealing with him again and would therefore want to believe that he is dead (unlike Sam Thomas, who would hold onto any glimmer of hope that Sonya is still somehow alive). The only thing that I can think of that would discredit this all is what Naomi said about Oceanic Flight 815 being found and there being no survivors. But from judging from what we've seen in the Season 4 trailers, I think that it's safe to say that neither Naomi nor the people she that she is with can be trusted. Although I honestly cannot say what purpose lying to them about this would have other than to confuse and demoralize by giving them all the impression that no one is looking for them, thus diminishing any hope of being rescued. –Nahald 16:57, 7 January 2008 (PST)

I think that Find815 will conclude with Flight 815 being "found" in the ocean and that it may provide information about how the crash was faked. But they could go in another direction. I really don't think we should change the timeline radically until they make their intentions more clear. Dharmatel4 13:30, 9 January 2008 (PST)

"However, due to the nature of the Find 815 story, the validity of this date is in question. It is likely used as a marketing tool to make the Find 815 story feel like it is happening as it is being played. It is more likely this event occurs in the Fall of 2004, and it is also possible that the airline never went out of business and that this aspect of the Find 815 story is simply a marketing tool to draw players into the rest of the story." I'm of the opinion that the above italicized should be removed. I want feed back before i do though because i know people have strong opinions about the Find815 timeline. However i think the above is mostly speculation and should not be on the main article. Thoughts? --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 14:08, 13 January 2008 (PST)

• I agree. The less said overall about the whole thing the better. Dharmatel4 14:15, 13 January 2008 (PST)
  • I think we should, in general, use a way to separate ARG dates from show dates. The ARGs are always set to happen in the "present day" for the player, possibly because it would cause confusion to have a press release about Oceanic resuming operations dated to 2004 released in late 2007.--Nevermore 02:38, 30 January 2008 (PST)

timeline and find:815

The timeline of find815 is fall 2004. The ending has to be prior to December 11th because Anthony Cooper is aware of the events. The Oceanic press releases can be considered not to be part of the ARG and not part of the timeline. Dharmatel4 10:52, 31 January 2008 (PST)