Not the actual Temple[]
I don't think that this place is the actual temple. Ben stated in Dead is dead, that this are only the walls, guarding the temple. So, this would mean that this is only the exterior of the temple. Furthermore, we have only seen Richard carrying little wounded Ben through the door above ground. Therefore, I think we should also think about rename the article. I rather think that Ben and Locke went into a CV and the level Ben has fallen to was some kind of summoning/judgment place, similar to the device at the barracks. So what about smoke chamber hierglyphs?--Asian_Dawn 21:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- On the one hand I totally agree that it needs a rename, on the other hand, I can't think of one that satisfies all our needs. The best I can think is to make a sub-page on The Temple article, and call it Cerberus chamber hieroglyphs. What I dislike about this option, among one or two other more trivial points, is that it would make the article name too long (The Temple/Cerberus chamber hieroglyphs). Any other thoughts? £乚ב○艹Ю Zholmboe Talk 15:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
- Been thinking a lot about it. Based on what we saw yesterday, I think that "Hieroglyphs/Cerberus chamber" would be best, unless we can be sure that The Tunnels and the Cerberus chamber are the same place, in which case it should be "Hieroglyphs/The Tunnels". Preferences? £乚ב○艹Ю Zholmboe Talk 15:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
- Or maybe, we could split the article into 2. 1) "Hieroglyphs/Mural" or some more formal name, and 2) "Hieroglyphs/Pillars". £乚ב○艹Ю Zholmboe Talk 16:04, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
- "Hieroglyphs/The Tunnels" might also work if we ever get confirmation that The Tunnels and the Cerberus chamber are part of the same system. £乚ב○艹Ю Zholmboe Talk 14:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me! Somehow, I already think that it hs been confirmed that the Cerberus Chamber and the Temple are seperate, but I have to find the source. --Asian_Dawn 13:10, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Translation[]
any idea about translations? I cannot find anything online. The hieroglyphics should be at least translatable into some semblances of sentences and phrases. Not so sure about the alchemical symbols. -Tim
several of the unknowns may be demotic or hieratic letters, as opposed to hieroglyphic pictographs. i study roman archeology not Egyptian - i will try to get my friend rachel to examine the temple pictures. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tim20le (talk • contribs) 2:15, 16 April, 2009 (UTC).
- Systematically, the way I work (for better or worse) is that I try to find every individual glyph, then do the translations. This is, by far, the most challenging set of glyphs they have given us, not only because of their volume, but because they sprung the non-hieroglyph symbols on us (you wouldn't believe how many hours I looked for matching hieroglyphs before I figured out that some of them weren't hieroglyphs), and even the hieroglyphs are mostly obscure forms and often drawn in a sort of casual italic when compared with the formal forms. I have about 40 screenshots that I'm pouring over trying to parse everything out, but until I do, I will likely not be able to come up with any confident translations. That said, if you feel like a fun but daunting challenge, I encourage you to follow the external link to the EGPZ word list (from the hieroglyphs page), and give 'em a go). If you can find any matching Roman symbols, it would be great to discuss them and see if somehow they can match up with what we do know of the Egyptian glyphs.
- <hiero>O34:O4-G17-D58-A1</hiero> zholmboe 17:22, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
You are doing a great job as usual zholmboe! I wanted to point out to you that on the columns, Egyptians loved symmetry. There was usually one column with the hieroglyphs normal beside another column of the hieroglyphs in reverse or mirrored. Also, many of the hieroglyphs seem to be in a cursive or linear hieroglyphic style. If you scroll down to the bottom of this page, there are several pdf showing the Hieratic form vs the cursive form of the Hieroglyph. [1]
This is one of the best sites I have found. It is similar to a wikipedia, where anyone can edit and add information. I have found many transliterations here that I have been unable to find elsewhere... [2]
Transliteration [3] Hieroglyphs in all languages [4] Glyphdoctor. A place to study Hieroglyphs Online [5] Tons of great Egyptology links from Egyptology.com [6]
Also, I have found that the "Magical Stele" or "Metternich Stele" on the reverse side.. shows all the gods and is very similar to the gods portrayed at the bottom of the Anubis/Smokie Relief. [7] [8] --kansasgal71 20:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
- Those links are great. I am definitely going to be scouring them for hours this evening. Maybe I'll even be able to find that what looked like alchemic symbols were in fact just cursive or obscure hieroglyphs. I hope so, as it would make my life a lot easier. The Magical Stele is also fantastic. I have some great screencaps of the deities, but I didn't even know where to start in terms of interpreting them, and it seems like the Magical Stele could really give a great place to do that. I already recognize one of the figures that is on both of them.
- Also, you mentioned the symmetry thing, and I just figured out last night that there are, in fact, only three series of hieroglyphs, on the columns. On each face, there are three columns of hieroglyphs (left, middle, right), and on every face, the left hieroglyphs are part of the same series, the middle glyphs are part of the same series, and the right hieroglyphs are part of the same series. The only difference is that each column starts at a different point in said series. So for example, the left column of face 4B starts with R11, and continues on for about 30 glyphs. The left column of face 2D, however, starts about 12 glyphs after R11, and continues on a little further. If I recall correctly (though I don't have the screencap in front of me) the left column of 4A has R11 somewhere in the middle, but continues in the same sequence from there. As such, I am working on a newer version of the page (as a prototype at the bottom of my userpage) that simply gives each of the three series, and then notes at which point each face begins the sequence. I think I'll wait until I've looked through your links tonight to continue, though, as it may save me from wasting time. If by chance you look at my user page, and you know a glyph I've either marked incorrectly, or have identified as "unknown", please let me know on my talk page; no point in waiting until I post the prototype to get it corrected/edited.
- <hiero>O34:O4-G17-D58-A1</hiero> zholmboe 22:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
- I have only just finished looking through the first page you linked to, and I am already so unbelievably excited I can't begin to thank you enough. I am pretty sure that there are no alchemic symbols, but just, as you mentioned, cursive glyphs. I have a feeling I'll be able to tear through a ton of this tonight. Awesome!
- <hiero>O34:O4-G17-D58-A1</hiero> zholmboe 23:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
GREAT!! I am happy that you like it all. I have spent the last week researching the heck out of it all. But wanted to make sure I was heading the right way. I also found something that may be of interest. There is a very old Egyptian Artifact called the "Two Dogs Palette" [9] Notice how the necks look similar to the representation of Smokie? And I believe the Hieroglyphs between Smokie and Anubis stand for "Fierce Lion". U2 D4 I9 D46 X1 - Mafdet / Fierce Lion. A few glyphs are missing from the transliteration, but with the rough looking Relief.. anything could be missing.
When you are done with what I have given you, if you are interested, I do have many more links. Just let me know what you are needing and I will get you the link. --kansasgal71 02:01, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Guide[]
I found these interesting images, I suppose the producers used them as inspiration... or they simply copied them.
This is from The Book of the Dead, these hieroglyphs appear in one of the columns in the "Cerberus Chamber"
and this is from the Metternich Stela, some of the figures appear on the "Monster's Mural" above and below of Anubis and Smokey. I just realize that Taweret appears in this picture, she is in the superior right side!
I've never seen this hieroglyph, but it could be (according to me, and no one else but me) a corrupt and unsuccessful version of this one:
By the way, I´m not an Egyptologist and certainly not an expert in hieroglyphs.(Ripp Vann 02:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)