Talk: The Temple

New Article

As we now know that the wall is NOT the temple, i am seperrating the articles at "The Temple wall and underground complex" to reflect the format of the hatch/swan, the ?/pearl.

No, do not spearate without discussing such a change first. I don't see the point in separating it. It's all part of the Temple. By your reasoning, we should have a separate article for the exterior of the Staff, or the Flame, or the Hydra. The reason we have separate articles for the exterior of the Swan and Pearl is because they are specific landmarks. And actually, they confirmed it was only the outer wall of the Temple in the podcast after "This Place Is Death". We should reach a concenus before deciding to split an article. If we all did what we felt was right, Lostpedia would be a mess.--Baker1000 13:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

The Temple wall is a "specific landmark'"  Roobydo  talk  contribs  23:24, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

The Temple Wall and The Temple are not part of the same structure. In fact, the Temple is a half mile beyond the wall. I think it is reasonable to create two articles, as the two structures are different and serve different purposes. --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 22:29, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Even though I agree that the Temple Wall is a distinct landmark from the Temple itself, I don't think it should be made a separate article. It should simply come under its own heading in the Temple article. The temple wall is only ever mentioned in context of the Temple. --Beema 17:15, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Is this really "The Temple"?

We don't know that this is the DI station that been draws the map to. The ancient building with the heiroglyphs has been referred to as "that temple" but we don't know if it is indeed the DI station "The Temple," and should be moved to its own article until its status as the DI station can be confirmed.-- Roobydo  talk  contribs  16:25, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Rename

Shouldn't this article be moved to "Temple", in accordance with the naming of other location articles? -- Ramirez Selvarn 07:30, 24 May 2007 (PDT)

Why does Ben want The Others to go to the Temple

• Ben wanted Richard to lead the Others to the Temple incase Ben's plan to convince Jack not to call the ship failed, which it did. Ben must think they'll be able to hide safely there.
  • so are the others time traveling, too? are they in the temple when the french scientists discover the outside of it? Or does the temple shield them from the flashes? Harcourt 23:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
  • I think the others have to be time traveling also. And it may be that the temple is a place where they can keep interactions, etc that might be unwanted to a minimum. Just a thought.JEMJEM 22:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Whether or not it's a Temple

As we haven't seen the Temple, we do not know that it is a Temple, thus it is an unsolved mystery. --Xbenlinusx 20:19, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

It would be an unsolved mystery if something relied on its being a real temple and then there was some doubt cast on whether it was a real temple or not. Neither of those things have happened, so it's not a valid UQ, it's a theory posed as one. Robert K S (talk) 20:28, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

Subjective. --Xbenlinusx 20:33, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

I can see how it might seem that way, and I feel bad for a lot of people whose thoughtful UQs I've removed. That's why I wrote this essay... your comments appreciated on the essay's talk page. Robert K S (talk) 21:01, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

The DHARMA logo might even point to something else, not even related to "The Temple". —Some Person 17:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I guess the word "Temple" directly above the logo wasn't really part of your theory.-- Roobydo  talk  contribs  19:06, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Logo

Can somebody make a computer generated picture of the logo?

• I think we should change the logo. Watch carefully the little figure on the map: it's like a "symmetric" logo, with a straight line and two little "triangles" under it. The three white figures create a black "T" on the bottom of Dharma logo. Andreapasotti 02:21, 22 March 2008 (PDT)

• Changed it. Check out TheTemple1.jpg    Lash  talk  contribs 

• Good job! Hope that's the right version of Temple's logo.. Andreapasotti 06:58, 22 March 2008 (PDT)

• thanks for the edit, I could not tell if it did form a T or not,but thanks for fixing my mistake--Unforgiven91 21:39, 22 March 2008 (PDT)

• sorry, but I think this is not a "T" I think at the bottom of the line, this is the word DHARMA or beneath the T. But I'm sure there is the word DHARMA somewhere on the logo... (check Image:Logo_Temple.jpg) --The mE 18:07, 13 May 2008 (PDT)
• I agree it says Dharma at the bottom but it's hard to tell if it's white lettering or black lettering and what else is going on. It's probably pointless to try to make a graphic from this tiny tiny screenshot until we get aq better look in a future episode. --Jackdavinci 21:29, 13 May 2008 (PDT)

I thought there was a Dharma lettering at the bottom too, but after looking at it carefully all I saw were two little horizontal lines just like the ones on the Arrow, Swan, and Staff logos. I would vote that it has no Dharma lettering in it. --The Cartographer 10:50, 19 May 2008 (PDT)

• I agree that there is NO "dharma". I doubt it's a "T", although it is "T" shaped.

The Temple Logo on Ben's map is NOT clear, i've scoured the internet and found several examples of the symbol like this one to the left.

In fact, the only place I can find the logo similar to this one: , is on this wikia -- Roobydo  talk  contribs  00:14, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

The logo is not clear at all. Initially, I thought that the logo resembled more of an altar (like this one). But then I thought it looked more like "DHARMA" written at the bottom (like this one). However, after looking at a higher-def version of the screencap, I can understand where you would see the "altar" at the bottom. It's very hard to tell... -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 01:51, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, in that case, i think we should take both of them off any articles until we get a clear screencap-- Roobydo  talk  contribs  11:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I think the best thing to do is have a vote. That way many users can voice their opinions of what the logo is. Right now I'm probably leaning towards it being the "altar" logo... -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 15:02, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

How do we do that? ive never put anything up to consensus and got more than a handful of votes. is there a way to browse issues? -- Roobydo  talk  contribs 18:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I think that it's most likely the logo is something like one of these:

I'm leaning on the first or second. You can see in the origional screencap that whatever shape is at the bottom pretty much follows the contour of the circle. Also, Look at the size of the map. I think it would have been difficult to draw the triglyphs around the circle at that size, let alone the word "DHARMA" under the cut circle. I think if the word "DHARMA" was in the image, Ben (or the prop artist, rather) would have left it out in a rendering that size.-- Roobydo  talk  contribs  19:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think a resolution argument is applicable here because although the rest of the map is styled like a hand drawing, this logo is clearly not a drawing. My line of reasoning is that we know "DHARMA" isn't in the trigram, so it's likely to be in the logo. Which would means it's either in the bottom most black bar or in the white bar above that. I don't think it's a T or table shape with legs - if there is anything under the black bit it's rounded like the bottom of the circle. But based on the current screencaps we have, I vote we keep the current logo as it's sufficiently plausible, until such time as the logo appears again. There's just no way to be certain until we get a better image.--Jackdavinci 07:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

No. "sufficiently plausible" is NOT canon. -- Roobydo  talk  contribs  23:50, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Well then replace it with just the screenshot. All of the other logos are interpretations too, though and therefore "not canon" by your logic- based off of screenshots that vary from very clear to not clear at all - choosing this particular logo as the cut off point is somewhat arbitrary. --Jackdavinci 10:25, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

What screenshot? We haven't seen the Temple yet. Also, the screenshots of the other logos are all significantly larger and clearer than the temple logo on Ben's map.-- Roobydo  talk  contribs  21:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

The map screenshot. I found a better screenshot and uploaded it in place of the speculatory logo. On the logos page I uploaded a new illustration based on the better screenshot, but included a (Non-canon) proviso. Hopefully that should do until we get a better look in a future episode. --Jackdavinci 08:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Excellent.-- Roobydo  talk  contribs  20:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Possible Literary Reference

• Just as The Tempest had a direct literary ref to a play by Shakespeare, The Temple could be named for a short story by H.P.Lovecraft. In the story, a U-Boat commander discovers a mysterious rock-hewn temple within a submerged ancient city he believes to be Atlantis. A bit of Lovecraft In Lost would be cool, Check out The Temple--Kivipat
• That would be awesome.. And this is LOST, so I think that there's an high possibility to have this reference. Also, if you listen to the last podcast (I don't want to make any spoiler) you can hear a bell ringing.. Andreapasotti 01:33, 23 March 2008 (PDT)

Location

The location in the article was changed back to NW, is this correct? Ben's radio map shows the Barracks surrounded by land on 3 sides, the other side we don't see but must be near the ocean. Kate's map shows the Barracks as NW from the camp. This means Ben's radio map has South at the top, and the Barracks faces the ocean eastward (roughly). Ben's temple map shows us the ocean near the Barracks on the left, meaning left is East and top is South. Therefor isn't the Temple southeast of the Barracks? --Hugo815 05:48, 1 April 2008 (PDT)

Different maps show north in opposite directions. Ben's radio tower map has North at the top. This can be proved by overlaying the DHARMA cabling map on the radio tower map at the barracks. The flame must be north of the barracks and the beach camp is north of that. There were also directions given in through the looking glass that conform to north being at the top of the radio map. However, the survivors have repeatedly said that the barracks are to the north of the beach camp. There is no way to know which is correct. But I favor the beach camp being north because three different maps (rousseaus, dharma cabling map, ben's maps) all suggest that is the alignment of the island. I'm thinking about writing an article on the subject of compass points on the island to explain all the issues. Dharmatel4 06:51, 1 April 2008 (PDT)

From "This Place Is Death"

The science team referred to the place in the Dark Territory (where Montand lost his arm) as a temple. Are we assuming that this is the same location as "The Temple"? -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 03:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC) I don't think it's the same place. Until we get confirmation let's make it a separate location. --LOST-The Cartographer 03:24, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe that they made it painfully obvious that this was the Temple. Robert referred to the monster as "protecting the Temple," which was where they had been and encountered the monster. It's obvious to me. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  03:26, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

It is not obvious. It is not painfully obvious. Robert used the word once because the place looked vaguely like a temple. What we saw was a stone wall. Putting that information into this article has tarnished it. Integrated (User / Talk) 09:02, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I think we have to wait to see the DHARMA connection first. Hugo815 03:27, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

What makes you think you can trust the Dharma connection? The only hint we have toward that is from Ben's map, and Ben is notorious for lying, manipulating, and misdirecting. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

He did make that map for Alex though. -- Roobydo  talk  contribs  20:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

And we don't even know if the logo represented the Temple. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  03:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Lets see if we can get an image to add.--Mistertrouble189 04:26, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm uploading one now. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  04:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

That definatly look like an ancient temple to me --LOST-Hunter61 06:44, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

It's a temple, but it's not likely to be THE temple, which is supposedly a Dharma station. I doubt Dharma, which created a sonic barrier against the smoke monster, would put a station right in it's lair. At best, it's unknown whether "THE temple" is related to or the same as this temple. After all, we've seen ruins and ancient structures in other locations. Should definitely be a different location, maybe smoke monster lair...--Jackdavinci 07:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the Temple of the Monster is THE Temple. I just can't imagine the Others living with the Monster, as they don't control it. These could be other ruins, as there are many of them scattered through the Island. We could create the article "Temple of the Monster". --   Calick    talk    contributions    email   15:27, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

According to Damon and Carlton in this week's podcast, this temple we saw was in fact an outer wall. So don't rule out this place being a possible DHARMA site. --LOST-The Cartographer 19:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

They did say though this isn't necessarily THE Temple Ben was referring to. They also said this place was like the Monster's Camp David (CV-IV instead of the "primary nexus"?) which was pretty funny. I agree though this is probably the same place and the Temple(DHARMA) is located nearby. Have to wait and see I guess. Hugo815 19:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm listening to it now, they say nothing about it not being the same temple Ben refers to. They say it's not actually the temple wall, it's "perhaps an outer wall" and the temple, THE temple "may not be just on the other side, you may have to hike a little bit." So in my book that pretty much confirms that it is the temple Ben refers to and not "a temple". We need to add this information back in.--Baker1000 12:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't we create another article, Temple (This Place is Death) or Temple (Cerberus Vent) or something until the two locations are confirmed to be the same? --Jesus Freak 21:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

♥

Definitely, from what I understand there's supposed to be a station, so it very possible they're both different places

Agreed. nothing in canon says that these two places are the same. -- Roobydo  talk  contribs  06:08, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

• Agree. Make it a separate location. --LOST-The Cartographer 06:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

see: The Temple Wall-- Roobydo  talk  contribs  00:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I presumed that they were the same place because of the podcast. Darlton said once you passed the walls, the actual temple would be a hike, but it would be there. Maybe Smokey lives underground, and the Others live on top.. Mikay 23:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Declivity

Should a redirect to this page be created from a page titled "Declivity?" In addition, something on this page should probably be added mentioning part of the outer wall being known as "The Declivity." The Feb 11th Official Lost Podcast mentions that this is what a portion of the outer temple wall is internally known as by the writers. Congested 06:26, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think they meant the actual wall, just the hole in the ground.--Baker1000 14:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Yep, they meant the hole. I guess I didn't make that clear enough.Congested 18:31, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

A Temple and The Temple

Should these two things be seperate? Because we don't know for sure that the temple that was in 5.05 was the temple that had been spoken of previously in the show, right? --TheEyeland 15:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually nevermind, keep it as one. Anyways "It is unknown if this is the same temple as the one mentioned by Ben." is in it anyway.

I have rewritten the article to clearly separate the two "temples" and covered us fully. I think it would be nice to add a trivia section though - containing the information from the Official Lost Podcast and also possibly some of the stuff within the article about the temple architecture being reminiscent of India blah de blah - more trivia than fact in terms of production. --Nickb123 (Talk) 18:53, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Notable visitors

In my opinion, it is incorrect to consider Jin and Danielle visitors of the temple. As was made clear in the latest audio podcast by Darlton, what the characters refer to as the temple isn't exactly what was shown in "This Place Is Death", but rather something beyond those walls.

Also, visitors of the temple seem to show erratic behaviour afterwards, so this classification is a little sensitive and may or may not lead to untrue conclusions. A separate category should be created for the characters who have been at the temple but not actually inside it. --FireSoul 20:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

This is the same Temple as showing on Ben's maps because it look a lot like The Door. This would make the station at one name: The Temple Door. But where is the Door of the Temple? This station is made by rocks and the Door doors are with rocks.

robert h

Jack, Miles, Jin and Hurley visited the outer walls of The Orchid, but did not go in. Does that make them any less visitors? Of course not. The same applies to this. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  23:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually I find your example a very good one. Jack, Miles, Jin and Hurley haven't been to the Orchid. They know where it is and saw the building itself, but the fact they did not go in makes them have no clue as to what they can find inside. So they weren't actual visitors of The Orchid in the same way Jin and Rousseau didn't visit The Temple. Its mostly semantics of course, but in this case, and given the mysterious nature of the sickness, every word counts I suppose... Of course, this is merely nitpicking... --FireSoul 00:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

What I was implying was that the greenhouse was part of the Orchid, and that the outer wall was part of the Temple. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  01:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

User:Zholmboe's rewrite

User:Zholmboe performed a rewrite on this article [1] which made uncorroborated edits to the lead that conflict with what we know about the Temple from the podcast cited in the article. Zholmboe removed the definitively known information about the Temple's location and wrote, "The Temple appears to relate to two distinct places on the island", a statement for which there is no canon evidence and seems to have been based on the discussion that has transpired on this talk page. I think the podcast brings a lot of clarity to the issue and we shouldn't need to say more in the article than what we have been given on-screen and in that podcast. I reverted the rewrite and made some other alterations that I hope bring the article up to speed. Cheers, Robert K S (talk) 07:21, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Yesterday afternoon Hugo815 sent me a message linking to the talk page about "The Temple" and I was able to read in to some of the conflicting information that seems to be going around. Obviously, my change to the Temple page was premature, though I tried to preserve all the information that was there, and thought I was referencing reliable sources. Clearly, my first mistake was trusting the work that some others had done without deeper investigation. Secondly, I am very new to Lostpedia, and didn't even know that "talk" pages existed. If I had, I would have seen the debate was already raging. Ah, learning experiences. I totally support the decision to revert the page back to its prior state.

I do think that there is clearly something fishy going on with the location of the Temple, since it seems like there is disagreement between Ben's radio tower map, and many of the other assumed locations of things. Has anyone been able to find an orientation that reconciles all these things?Zholmboe 01:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)zholmboe

It's a Dharma Station?

When was that revealed? Kajillion 06:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't really. Last season, Ben told Danielle to go meet the Others at a place he called the Temple, which was indicated on the map he gave her by a new Dharma logo. This season we saw Danielle and her crew visit a place where the smoke monster dragged one of them down a hole outside a temple, and later the crew,seemingly under the influence of the smoke monster encounter, referred to it as a temple. We saw the same structure this episode, that Richard takes Ben into. There's been no definitive proof so far that the The Temple Dharma station is the same as the smoke monster temple. Indeed, we've seen other ruins on the island, so it's certainly possible that there are other temple like structures that Dharma could have taken over, and it seems unlikely that Dharma would station people in the very lair of the smoke monster, which in 1977 is clearly under control of the Others. But for some reason the majority of editors are convinced that since they are both referred to as a temple that they must be the same. --Jackdavinci 08:21, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I think it was at least implied in a podcast at some point that the structure is the same temple that had been referred to earlier. But I'm beginning to think that the logo on the map was just a production/continuity error, and in reality, the Temple has nothing to do with Dharma. Personally, I'd suggest removing the logo from this page, but people seem really attached to it. -- COMPOSSIBLE  Talk  Contribs  21:46, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed with Compossible here. I can't fathom any way that THE Temple would be a Dharma station. It's essentially the Others most sacred place, do you really think they'd let Dharma build a station there? I think it's either a production error, OR the map Ben was using was a Dharma-created map, and knowing Dharma, they like to make little logos for EVERYTHING. So they just marked the Temple on their map with a nifty logo.

Furthermore, I don't think we have EVER seen the Temple itself. The place where Danielle's crew went under - the temple wall. The place Richard carries young Ben through - the temple wall. Obviously you'd have to go through the temple wall to get to the Temple. --Beema 17:33, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

• Why don't you fellas holed your horses, and wait till we get a confirmation.--LOST-The Cartographer 04:06, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Certainly not a station, but hopefully we'll get a reason as to why it has it's own special DHARMA logo. --LOST-The Cartographer 16:29, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think that it is not a dharma station. The temple is only marked by the Dharma, but not really a station. We saw Richard going in with wounded Ben. And Ben called it an sanctuary, so I don't if Dharma build the place, that it was still a sanctuary. And in the preview of Dead is Dead we saw Ben entering the Temple and summoned the Smoke monster. I Ben's door leads to the temple where they can summon the monster. --Darth Stefan 18:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)Darth Stefan

that doesn't matter. It could very well be that somewhere near the Temple is a DHARMA station. --LOST-The Cartographer 18:58, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

This obviouslt isn't a DHARMA station. But the map was probably DHARMA, and it ts likely that DI knew about this location and maybe planned to build a station there (so they designed a logo), but the Others didn't let them.--Kemot from Poland 15:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

DHARMA logos appear on uniforms and vans, indicating that a logo does not = a station (unless you want to argue that every DHARMA jumpsuit not assigned to a station, like "mechanic," is itself related to an undiscovered station.) We have no proof positive that it is a station. There's no need to wait for conclusive evidence-- the burden of proof is on those who argue that it IS a station, not just that it is associated with a logo. Amber1713 09:21, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

• Well I guess this discussion is over? Most certainly is not a DI station and has no evidence that it has ever been one when we see it in 2007 --Beema|talk|contributions 07:07, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Unanswered Questions

I vote to remove the following unanswered questions:

Why does a DHARMA logo exist for a location that belongs to the Hostiles?

We don't know that this location "belongs" to the hostiles, or whether or not it is a DHARMA station.

What do the black smoke and the temple have to do with each other?

I think this one is answered, at least partially. We know that the Monster "lives" in or under the Temple Wall, although we don't know exactly what correlations (if any) exist between the Monster and the Temple itself. Perhaps the question should read "Is there a correlation between the Monster and the Temple?" or "Does the Monster have a specific role involving the Temple?"-- Roobydo  talk  contribs 

[Regarding the first question] We know that it's under hostile control and that it's not a station by the episode where Richard brings young Ben there, and by older Ben's comments to Locke about it. *KEEP* --Jackdavinci 07:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, you seem to be confusing The Temple with The Temple Wall-- Roobydo  talk  contribs 

The Temple is just a little beyond the Wall. We know that the Temple Wall is inside Hostile territory, so obviously the Temple is in Hostile territory. Why would the Hostiles control the Wall, but not the Temple within the walls? Also, Charles Widmore says to Richard "you actually brought one of them to our Temple" so they obviously claim it as theirs. As for the DHARMA logo, I have never considered it to be a station. In my opinion it was just used as a marker on the map. There could be a station named after the Temple, but I don't think it is the Temple spoken of by Ben and Richard.--Baker1000 12:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not saying it is controlled or isn't controlled by anyone, my point was that we've never seen it, and can't confirm nearly anything about it. For all we know, the Others could've been eaten by a giant wild boar before reaching it (obviously, I jest). Also, as Ben did draw a Dharma symbol on the map, it's safe to assume that if it is a Dharma station, It's control has changed hands at least once. In that case, it becomes an issue of "who contolled it at what point in time." This is all beside my origional point though, which is merely that these two UQ's should be rewritten. -- Roobydo  talk  contribs  13:49, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

It would seem unlikely that anyone other than the Others ever controlled the Temple, given that it's the "last safe place" for them. I don't think Ben drew the DHARMA symbol on that map; more likely, it a DHARMA Initiative map that the Others acquired after the Purge. "Is the..."- and "Does the..."-type questions should be avoided in UQ sections because they aren't open ended (they assume one way or another). Try something that starts with "Who/What/When/Where/Why/How".  Robert K S   tell me  14:09, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

We don't even know if the logo was for the temple. Alright, then here's what I'll do: Let's compromise. Let's split the first question into 2 questions ("Why does the Temple Have a Dharma Logo?" and maybe something like "Who controls/has been in control of the temple? When?"), and I guess just leave the 2nd. I still think its a leading question, and implies a correlation between the monster and the temple that we don't know exists.-- Roobydo  talk  contribs  15:44, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

You're contending that the logo might have been for a site other than the Temple, even though the word "Temple" was written above it?  Robert K S   tell me  15:51, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Haha, no no, I'm just trying my best to be civil. I've learned that, unfotunately, I can't just going around changing things to the way I think they should be (if only...). I think I'm pretty passionate about the logo debate. I was referring to Baker1000's input a few edits up:

"As for the DHARMA logo, I have never considered it to be a station. In my opinion it was just used as a marker on the map."

-- Roobydo  talk  contribs  16:09, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

hey fellas, I have a feeling we're going to get at least some sort of an answer in 3 weeks during the finale so why don't we just leave be (For now) and wait till we get an answer. Maybe it will be brought up in the official podcast? They do like to answer and/or hint fan questions that are relevant to what is close to come. --LOST-The Cartographer 23:50, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

agreed. -- Roobydo  talk  contribs  00:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Category: Picture Dispute

See Logo

Northwest?

The main page says that the Temple is northwest of the Barracks. While I would not say that this is impossible, this assertion is not cited, and I can find no definitive canon evidence to support this claim. I have studied most of the available maps, and I have to assume that the person who posted this directionality did so because the map shows the The Temple to the left of the Barracks. However, it is an unwarranted assumption that "up" is "north" on this map, since no compass is shown on the map. If fact, there is some evidence that it is located in a more Southward direction from the Barracks:

• The Barracks is likely northwest of the beach camp ("Ji Yeon")
• Alex et al. are killed on the way from The Barracks to the Temple ("Meet Kevin Johnson")
• Miles finds the bodies of Alex et al. on his way from The Barracks to the beach camp. ("Something Nice Back Home")

While I'm not ready to assert that the Temple is south or southeast of The Barracks, there certainly is good reason to believe that it is preemptive to make the conclusion that is stated on the main page. <hiero>O34:O4-G17-D58-A1</hiero> zholmboe 18:02, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

So I'm assuming the silence is a sign that no one contends this point. As such, I'm removing it presently. £乚ב○艹Ю Zholmboe Talk 00:49, 3 May 2009 (UTC)