Talk:The Swan

I think the food statement is misleading; we know that when Hurley did his inventory two months worth was all that remained at the time, but it is unknown how much food was normally present or how often if was replenished.

Comparing the Swan & Orchid stations

The Orchid was built next to a pocket of negatively charged exotic matter with the aim of manipulating time. The Swan was built as a dam on top of a pocket of electo-magnetic energy with the aim of doing what? Faraday states that the energy at the Swan is 30,000 times more powerfull then the energy at the Orchid.--Cane 01:01, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

• It was stated by the producers, Radzinsky, Dr. Chang, and others that the purpose of the station was to study and experiment with the eletromagnetic anomaly. The Incident changed that and it instead became a containment station. Although with the possibility of the station not even existing (IE Daniel's plan working.) --LOST-The Cartographer 04:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Why didn't Radzinsky use the fail-safe key?

I cant beleive after all those years when Radzinsky was stationed in the swan that he didnt use the fail safe key, i would think that he would not want to enter those numbers in "his" station that he designed after all that went wrong during the incident. The only reason i can see why he would not want to is that he himself, is too frightend to use it incase the whole world ends or blows up the whole island.-- Nzoomed  talk  contributions  00:37, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't this article be merged with The Hatch

Seeing as the swan and the hatch are in fact, the same thing? What name it would take would be open to personal interpretation!

You are correct. --Circeus 11:23, 25 January 2006 (PST)

I'll get on with it and then redirect The Hatch to The Swan. --Jambalaya 12:01, 19 February 2006 (PST)

Merged and redirected. --Jambalaya 15:17, 19 February 2006 (PST)

In order to prevent SPOILERs, I think you shouldn't merge em, cause if anyone who doesn't know about The Swan (1st season watcher) needs or wants info about the Hatch, then s/he would learn much more than s/he was supposed to. Just my opinion. --docZ

People know about lospedia being a potential spoiler, so i think merging the hatch with the swan is needed--ToMA

I just unmerged "Hatch" a few days ago. Reason: "Hatch" is too much of a common theme. Many people refer to the Arrow and the Medical Station as "Hatches". for Example "Medical Hatch". Or "maybe they will find another Hatch in Episode XYZ". There is a very prominent link on the "Hatch" page now that goes to The Swan, the rest of it dealing with "Hatch" in general.

I am not sure if "The Hatch should not better be redirected towards "Hatch", but since "The Hatch" is most often used for The Swan ... I don't know for sure. My vote though would be to redirect "The Hatch" to "Hatch". Anyone disagree??? --aurora glacialis 12:45, 5 March 2006 (PST)

In my opinion, I think we should should use the word "station" instead of "hatch" consequently. Well, I _personally_ prefer it :-) For me, the hatch was simply a small mysterious door in the ground that we encountered in the first season. Now, we got stations; a storage station, a medical station and a ...uhm... station with a computer in it. My reason is that a hatch is an opening to a space, while a station IS that space. Anyway, I think "The Hatch" should be a redirect to "The Swan", we got a big, fat spoiler warning on the front page.. --Jambalaya 14:52, 5 March 2006 (PST)

Maybe we shouldn't compact too much. The Hatch is an entity in itself as is the dome, gun safe, food cupboard. The Swan could become a huge page if all these things become important and discussion areas. --MRNasher

About the food statement

Still... Hurley specifically said (I think it was) three months worth of food for one person. Replenished or not, who knows. Consider this, the stint in the hatch was 540 days. That's 18 months roughly. We know Desmond wasn't there that long, so it could be that Kelvin/Calvin, stocked him up not long before he "died" (where's the body Desmond?), so if Hurley was right on the 3 months thing that means Desmond has been in the Hatch for at least 15 months. So if the survivors are on the island another 70-80 days will someone come to stock up the hatch? Also consider that Zeke basically yelled at Locke for opening the Hatch, so it might now be known not to send more supplies. And consider that the food, especially candy bars which don't have a super-long shelf life if they've got nuts or cookies in them, was fresh. --Circeus 11:23, 25 January 2006 (PST)

I have to agree with Circeus. After all, Libby made it a point that the washing machine was quite new despite everything else being old and dated.

I think it would be silly to think that someone from outside of the island comes to replenish the food storage, but I do find it odd that none of the characters have questioned who replenished the food 15 months ago. - Danny, 12:20, 23 February 2006 (CST)

Why Quarantine?

It seems very odd that it has a hatchway with Quarantine written on it that leads up and out (I don't think we know if there was ever a handle on the inside) but the airlocks doors, that you can just walk in an out of, appear to have no such warning.

I have to wonder where Desmond thinks the hatch leads.. its not far away from the other door. In fact you could walk from one to the other fairly quickly, assuming the gradient between the hatch and the door wasn't unclimbable.

Desmond readily knows the wheel on the airlock door sticks, but has trouble remembering his name. Which suggests he uses the door.

He doesn't seem bothered about infection either. --MRNasher

That's interesting, since it seems that many people think, that Quarantine is also written on the exit of the Swan as well as The Arrow. Is it certain, that the doors do not have that word on them? I also think Desmond knew how to go outside and did that. He also crashed on the island, so to get into the Swan, he had to go there from the jungle. He was not really a regular replacement for the station. --aurora glacialis 11:32, 12 March 2006 (PST)

I wouldn't be bothered about any infections if I knew I was vaccinated against them. --skks 02:04, 13 March 2006 (PST)

Thinking about it... Desmond could also be slightly crazed and sleep deprived from his punishing ordeal.

And Yes.. if he did go outside (well he had to enter the place and Kelvin had to come to the beach to 'rescue' him originally) they my have been injecting since then to maintain the Quarantine.

I suppose we are assuming the people inside are Quarantined from whats outside because of the (lack of a) handle, but could it be the other way round.. or even that Quarantine refers to something else entirely.

So far 'The Sickness' has not been seen, and we have Rousseau's word that it exists and Desmond also asks Locke about how many have gotten sick/dead so he thinks theres an illness involved here.

Could it be that when Desmond says "So the worlds still out there", referring to the outside world, he thinks something world ending has happened. It could just be an ironic statement about his confined existance.

--MRNasher

I think he seemed bothered at first. When he went to follow Kelvin before he covered his mouth with the shirt. However once he saw him take off his face cover so did he. So either he thinks it was made up, or he has realized that it hasn't affected him. Also i think he was questioning the vaccine because he told Claire that he injected himself every 9 days and said nothing has happened. Either meaning that he is fine, or that the disease is something that won't affect him. --Ktal3780 17:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Other?

Desmond laughs as Locke says that 4 left on a raft that morning. That night the Others send out a boat to look for the raft.

Desmond would have some idea about the waters and their location as a sailor. Which would explain his rye laugh as well.

The more i think about Desmond the more i think hes no innocent. He's a stimulus for the numbers task and its possible he was living the life down in the hatch shortly after Locke is 'lead' to the hatch by Ethan.

After all we know the stock and appliances in the hatch are not sufficient and in keeping with his tale.

Jack more or less states these points to him, he avoids the food question and reinforces the importance of the task to the newcomers.

Desmond's arrival at the hatch might even have been heralded by the turning on of the light that Locke sees through the hatch window. Or it could be he did it to keep Locke's interest in opening it. This is something that Locke fails to mention to anyone.. even when they decide to open it and venture in.

--MRNasher

I don't think the raft incident is related to Desmond at all, The Others have anough spies around to know exactly what's going on at the beach at any given time anyway, and beyond that, I don't think Desmond had any way of contacting anyone either due to technical constraits and him not being alone at any time.

However, I do think he's not exactly telling everything either. --skks 13:37, 13 March 2006 (PST)

The Night Boone Died

The night Boone died Locke was crouched at the hatch begging for answers when the lights flashed on giving him reassurance. Why? What caused Desmond to turn them on?--Tricksterson 09:37, 13 March 2006 (PST)

• Wasn't Locke banging on the hatch? Desmond might have heard the noise and turned on the light to see what was going on.

I think the real question is the whole purpose of the light. I don't think it's part of the mirror system and just by the sheer luminance it produces one would know that it's not really meant for reading. It's got enough juice to project a sizeable cone from somewhere within Swan and through the tunnels, up a 15 meters shaft and through a tiny dimmed window, it would also require a sizable power source. It hasn't been turned on, that we know of, since Desmond left the hatch. It's possible that it's part of whatever's causing the EM field, and that Desmond had access to it but closed the blastdoors when the perimeter was breached. The light could also be a side effect for whatever the EM machinery does on a schedule, and the reason the hatch was buried in the first place was to prevent the light being seen from the hatch window. --skks 13:33, 13 March 2006 (PST)

Would it be fair to say that Desmond was likely right down by the shaft just before the light came on. Kate was silenced and a massive flood of light would have obscured Locke's vision of what was happening down below.

You have to agree that the sad looking torch by the hatch well is unlikely to be the source of such a massive flood light but it could have light up the window when Locke was lying on the hatch.

--MRNasher

very interesting points there. -- User:Kaini

I don't think a flashlight would do for the proportions of light when Locke was doing the lying & crying, the light cone was easily few meters high through the dimmed window, and there was still the 15 meter shaft with no way to get up beneath.

Also there's really no any viable reason for Desmond to play with lights before (well unless he was bored) When the hatch got blown up, he was surprised, he wasn't expecting anyone. If he knew someone was coming, he probably would have been more prepared too. --skks 02:09, 14 March 2006 (PST)

Maybe the system of mirrors could be used to amplify and project any light down the tunnel.--Tricksterson 09:54, 14 March 2006 (PST)

Mirrors can't amplify anything. The telescope and mirrors thing is curious though, what's wrong with CCTV cameras, they existed 20 years ago. At the foot of the hatch there was a mirror facing upwards presumably to monitor what was going on through the window, daytime/nightime/dynamite and the floodlight that Jack examines would allow Des to see what was happening in the shaft itself. Doesn't explain the light that Locke saw though unless Des was wandering around and turned on some lights, at the right time. Another thing that's curious is that there's no ladder to get up the shaft with, only the short one at the top so it's can't be an exit. But it is a plot device otherwise everyone would have crammed there straight away.

Also if Calvin/Kelvin just wandered out of the jungle and found Desmond he must have been trying to commit suicide cos he died soon after, presumably of the infection.

The ladder looked like it had been broken off a few rungs down. During the "incident" perhaps? Also Desmond didn't say that Kelvin had died right awy only that they had worked together for a while and then he died. I don't think he said what he died of.--134.241.122.163 09:08, 22 March 2006 (PST)

Buckminster Fuller

the computer area inside the hatch is housed within a geodesic dome. probably not worth an entry to itself, but the guy who discovered the geodesic sphere, buckminster fuller, was very much a futurist dedicated to advancement of the human race, much like the members of dharma seem to be in the orientation film. i can't help but think that this is intentional. -- User:Kaini

... especially since it seems to make no real sense to put a dome like that underground when everything else is just concrete tunnels... --aurora glacialis 02:07, 14 March 2006 (PST)

Glass domes usually have something worth seeing outside of them, but just because we can't see it, it doesn't mean it's not there. The dome itself looks filthy, or maybe painted over, or maybe whatever closed the blastdoors also closed up the glass dome.

From a supposed blueprint for Swan, the only place we don't know of leads to somewhere behind the dome. --skks 02:24, 14 March 2006 (PST)

This is a very intriguing fact! Should we have a paragraph about it? --Jambalaya 03:30, 14 March 2006 (PST)

To the right of the doorway of the hemisphere 4 consecutive triangles are missing from the wall. There appears to be a space several feet wide from the surface of the room to an outer (rock?) wall. There are several (4?) florescent tubes running vertically from the floor alongside what appears to be a strengthening girder that arcs up from ground level and around the hemisphere possibly to strengthen and brace the hemisphere against the outer wall. There is a similar hole on the opposite wall to the left of the doorway and has (2) panels missing revealing rock and yellow light.

The seems to be another set of yellow strip lights 4 panels over as they illuminate the outside of the dome to a height of 3 triangles and a couple wide, similar to the ones we can see in the hole. Since this is the case i would suggest that the hole is there to show the viewer the dome is underground. The left side of the dome is back lit by deep blue light.

This kind of hemisphere shape is extremely robust and strong. It is favoured as the shape for possible future Martian habitats due to the simplicity of its construction and its strength.

Is it possible that the centre is meant to survive some sort of blast or impact, as indicate by the blast doors that would seal operators inside the dome area.

One other triangle (front and centre, 3 triangles up, behind the computer bank) is blacked out, and is the vent that kate looks through, while all other remaining ones seem to be muck spattered and streaked to not clearly show what they obscure.

The vent triangle is even shown in Dr Candle's model during the film. This seems sort of odd as it would possibly add a flaw to the structure of the dome. By Kate being able to crawl to it from another room we can assume that the blast door would prevent some disaster effecting the computer rooms least protected side (no surrounding rock) but toxic fumes were not an issue.

--MRNasher

I disagree on the blast-theory. For once - these structures are really stable, but to withstand blasts they would have been made of a stronger material - one that probably is not transparent. The big advantage of these structures is that they carry themselves and can withstand pressure - blasts are usually concentrated at one section, making the resistance towards such a blast highly dependant on the material that is used for the panels. The broken panels show, that the material can't be very strong, since someone obviously broke it. Underground, there are better structures than a dome built inside a cave when it comes to withstanding anything. I tend towards the theory, that the dome is there to give a limited illusion of daylight. --aurora glacialis 06:49, 14 March 2006 (PST)

It should be mentioned that Robert Anton Wilson was a friend and fan of Buckminster Fuller.--Tricksterson 10:08, 14 March 2006 (PST)

Maybe the structure doesnt need to be massively strong, the rock around it would be good for that, we know it has what looks like a blast door according to Michael. It could be that the dome is just an effective way to keep dust and muck off the computer equipment. Since the windows appear smeared that would be a good thing. --MRNasher

How about if the dome was made as a non megnetic area! With a local magentic force, that might increase massively when the countdown finishes, you'd want to protect any computer equipment from that force that would interfere or destroy the computer bank. --user:MRNasher

There is nothing to say that the dome isn't above ground. It could just be very overgrown with plant life. Assuming the thing has been there for 20 years (date of Apple II anyone?) then the dome was originally to let sunlight in. No one left the dome cos it was under quarantine and so the jungle grew over it. If there was an explosion outside the dome would be destroyed by the living area would be protected by the blast doors between the dome and the habitat and the external blast door that Desmond left through. Obviously it's on the edge of a hill cos the hatch goes upward through rock. The medical station is well hidden as is the Arrow station.

I have an Apple II, and this building was made two years ago. Swan has washing machines that were made in the nineties. The hardware doesn't really tell us anything. The orientation film was supposedly made in the eighties, but even with that known, one could argue that it has got nothing to do with Swan necessarily. But yeah, 20 years is the popular estimate.--skks 10:04, 22 March 2006 (PST)

The film says, "Orientation - Station 3 - The Swan" and displays the Swan logo several times. I think it's safe to say that it does have something to do with the Swan. AndFound 21:51, 7 May 2006 (PDT)

Please examine the picture of a Satelite Dish in the gallery on the website http://minnesotametallurgy.com (a believed Lost site owned by ABC. You may compare it to the computer room. Let me know what your thoughts.--Jasoncarubia 07:50, 4 May 2006 (PDT)

If there is ever a decision to do an entry on Bucky (as he is know here in Carbondale, IL, USA), I offer to take up that entry. Fuller taught at Southern Illinois University, Carbondale from 1959–1970 (Assistant Professor 1959–68, full Professor in 1968) in the School of Art and Design, and while here he lived in his own Dome House that the BFI.org [[1]] is trying to get listed as a National Historic Landmark. PanSavant 20:37, 7 May 2006 (PDT)

The Light Beam

I tried to find some info about the light beam, the burst of light from within the hatch, which made Kate 'disappear'. I can't find anything about it here on LostPedia. Is it a 'missing link'?

• I know what it is!! Its a Heavy-duty torch!! you can tell from the distinctive mirror cone and the muzzle-grip for changing the globes. Those torches are very powerful and from where Locke was standing and definitely where Kate was, the light would be too strong for their eyes, in fact it would burn their eyes out. Those torches are hand-held Spot lights, you can get them at an outdoors shop. There is no mystery to it at all.--User: Liquid Snake

Swan Key

In the preview for 5/24, I noticed a brief segment of a key being turned with the Swan logo. Anyone see that? --Phil 20:01, 17 May 2006 (PDT)

Yeah I saw that too, it reminds me one of those movies with 2 people with the same key, and they both have to turn it at the same time for something to happen...     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email  

Pictures:

Lock 1

Lock 2

Where can I put these photos?     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email  

Fail Safe/Swan Theory

The Island is an anomalous energy field on the earth (as alluded to by Roses healer), The Swan Station is a large capacitor to store the islands energy for experimental uses. In activating the fail safe they would be releasing ALL of the collected energy at once (like a camera flash does with a capacitor)...where as the numbers entered every 108 would discharge small amounts of stored energy, so as not to 'overflow'.

I though this might fit here too... I'm getting the hang of things but I don't want to be an ass.

Namaste, --Jess angell 21:38, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

• Perfect theory!! Excellent work, who ever this is!--User:Liquid Snake

The Hatch.....True Purpose

In 1908 there was an explosion that occurred in Tunguska, Siberia, Russia that was blamed on everything from UFOs to Comets. However, there was a a more probable theory. This was the experimentation of Nikola Tesla harnessing the electromagnetic waves of the earth. By using the Earth's magnetism he was able to conduct electricity through a natural medium and discharge massive amounts of electricity anywhere on the earth. The more important application to this for LOST is that one can cause earthquakes, explosions and even the manipulation of thoughts if the machine was directed at a specific location. Matching Resonance is the key. Everyone on the island has been matched and directed to go there (CHOSEN). Chosen for maybe their personality traits or maybe even manipulated to continue Tesla's project. Tesla fooled us all by patenting his machine as a navigational piece of equipment when its true purpose was a weapon. A weapon not to enslave humanity, but to stop anyone that may want to. According to Tesla's theory there would need to be three remote locations on the planet in order for the machine to triangulate a position anywhere on Earth. Very similar to GPS technology today. On each one of these remote locations there would need to be I believe (if I can remember....it's been a while) 7 or 8 machines in a specific pattern (circus-top-like) for it to work.

LOST conveniently showed a couple of men in what appeared to be a Siberian tundra detecting the change in the Earth's electromagnetic waves. Isn't it a little more than interesting that the 1908 the Tanguska explosion occurred somewhere in Russia (Tanguska).

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I recall something about how all the people stranded on the island happened to come upon it suddenly: Rousseau's ship, sixteen years prior; Desmond's crash, three years prior; and the Losties, about the same time as an incident. Desmond being the only one able to try and leave but couldn't. Desmond's arrival coincides with a date on the blast door map, and the plane crash ocurring during a system failure... Tie that in with the fact that there is a giant magnet that has to be reset or it might destroy the world...Sounds like a functional Philadelphia Experiment. Playing with that high end of physics might be a teeter-totter. Ben said while captive in the Swan something to the effect that God couldn't see the island. This might be the clue. The Philadelphia Experiment was to give the effect of visual stealth by a powerful magnetic tesla coil. The discharge ocurring after the Swan imploded might have been the stealth shroud failing and exposing the island. The above post stated that Tesla's coil had an affect on individuals as well--this might attribute that anything that expresses the Valenzetti Equation (Hurley himself--Locke's dream sequence, where Hurley is the Oceanic Desk Clerk; real Henry Gale--look at his ID; Oceanic 815)is affected.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bynrdskynrd (talk • contribs) .

How come nobody talks about the door?

Locke couldn't find the front door, so he had to blow the chimney? Seems like the only time they used the hatch ladder and rope to get in there was the first time and when Eko is locked out by Locke, then they had the front door we see Desmond and Kelvin walking through out of the Swan. Nobody's even mentionning this? --Corrosionx 23:37, 29 May 2006 (PDT)

What's to mention? The front door was known since Orientation, when Desmond told Kate where it was.

--AndFound 00:16, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

Hmm gonna have to watch that again. Just seems weird to me that Locke would do all that he did to blow open the hatch but never bothered to look around for another entrance. Also I don't see where it is on the fan maps of the Swan either.--Corrosionx 07:41, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

• Carlton and Lindelof have admitted that it was a bit of an oversight on their part during their podcasts. And that honestly Locke should have been able to find this other door during his ponderings over the hatch.--Two Coyotes 18:50, 10 July 2006 (PDT)

Locke & Eko?

Assuming the dome was meant to act as a Faraday cage (shielding the magnetic tapes and computer from the strong magnetic field), Locke and Eko may have survived the "Discharge" along with everything else in the dome. I remember seeing the countdown clock crumple, and silverware and darts flying across the room, but not anything within the dome. --Doc 13:30, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

The Dome, and the Discharge

During the Discharge, you could see the computer console table fall and see the tape reel consoles rolling towards the magnet wall. Michael 13:24, 9 June 2006 (PDT)

Yeah, I remember at least the desk (the one that Locke and Eko had spliced the Orientation film on) over on the side fell over. --Fezir 16:24, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

Gallery?

Maybe we should do a gallery of all the photo instead of placing them on the side. John Locke biggest fan

I love this page. The graphics are fantastic and the discussion most interesting. Kudos to those of you who put it together. The diagrams are amazing!! I would hate to see these graphics moved to another page. It all works together so well. --Tigerlily 09:31, 4 July 2006 (PDT)

A Strange Noise?

There is a noise you can hear in the main corridor of The Swan. It sounds like a low,2 key, droning sound. I don't think it's music, cause every episode that features the corridor you can hear it. Go to Abc.com and to the free episode player, and watch "Live Together, Die Alone", at the part where Eko is sitting at the computer, the lights go out, come back on and he (Eko) investigates, when he is at the door to the station you can hear the sound right before he finds the fuse box. You can also hear it in "Everybody Hates Hugo" when Sayid is trying to break the concrete on the magnetic wall. Any Ideas as to what that is? Mike4815162342 10:21, 22 June 2006 (PDT)

Do you mean the sound the giant ass magnet is making?--CaptainInsano

Whommmm-whum-WHOOM... Yeah, it's apparently whatever's behind the concrete wall. We dunno exactly what's causing it, but that sound effect is used every time someone's near the sealed-up section. Could be the big magnet, could be part of the power generation system.... could be anything. We just don't really know until that walled-up section is opened and revealed to us, the viewers. :) Also, when Jack leans in close to the concrete wall, in Man Of Science, Man Of Faith, there's another sound, like spinning turbines. --Shodan1138 18:33, 5 July 2006 (PDT)

Sound editors love to add in things that sound cool. I imagine that this sort of detail would be passed by the directors for a general approval, but that specifics were approved by the supervising sound editor, who wasn't concerned with story at the time. The directoral team in film/television rarely has time to micromanage the cue-to-cue specifics of sound design. I would bet money that the sound in the hallway is meant to be taken as nothing other than something that sounds cool and indicates that something strange is behind the concrete. --Scottkj 22:12, 30 July 2006 (PDT)

We definitely need an article on The Hatch!

I'm talking about the outside of it, which was the big mystery of season 1. Locke and Boone spent weeks trying to get it open and now that we all know what's inside, that's all that seems to matter! The Swan is the bunker, the hatch is the round, steel entrance with a small door on top. Why can't we have a page on just that? --SilvaStorm

Hmm... Well, it's just a hatch; not really noteable in itself. But... just off the top of my head, I can think of a few unanswered questions about it. It was pretty impenetrable - even the window was seemingly indestructable. What the heck was it made of? And why was the hatch even there at all, if there was a perfectly good front-door to the Swan? Maybe it was an emergency exit - but it wouldn't be very useful as such, since the ladder was broken (why was the ladder broken, anyway?) But I don't think those questions were ever really answered. --Shodan1138 22:55, 9 July 2006 (PDT)

Exactly! We need that page. --SilvaStorm

It was quarantine to something. I believe that it was the people inside were being kept clean from the disease. so perhaps the hatch was for people who came to think that there was no other way in. to not let anyone get them sick. I mean it is a long shot but it could be true.--Ktal3780 20:20, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Dynamite and Concrete

What is concrete's resistance to dynamite, can anyone guess? Maybe the dynamite blew open some of the hidden area of the Swan?--Two Coyotes 18:52, 10 July 2006 (PDT)

I think that if it could have blown through the concrete, it would've when Eko tried to blow through the blast door, especially considering how close it was and the fact that everything else in the corridor was destroyed. --Fezir 16:26, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

Prop differences.

I think that an area should be added to the article addressing the changes in some of the props in the Swan. What I mean is, The Swan underwent some minor changes in props after the premiere of the second season. I don't have pictures, but for example, when Jack first walks into the dome and the camera angle looks like it is coming from the couch or the other entrance, the timer is completely different. Also, when you see Jack's point of view looking at Locke at Desmond's gunpoint you can see the kitchen and what is now two shelves for plates and mugs was what seems to be an oven. I wouldn't be making a big deal of this, it's just that some people see these things and think that it was intentional and that was how the "alternate-timeline" theory was born. --Fezir 16:31, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

• I wouldn't add it here. Create a seperate props page. --Peephole 18:57, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

Who discovered it

Since we have an article on The Hatch (Swan Exterior), it states that Locke and Boone discovered the hatch. On this page for The Swan, it also says that Locke and Boone discovered it, which isn't entirely correct. If anybody, it should be Kate who discovered the Swan. Even though we knew of it since L & B found the hatch, we didn't know exactly what it was. So what do you think? Should we change it to put Locke or Kate in as the discoverer? --SilvaStorm

I'm... not sure I understand. Locke and Boone were the first people to discover the Swan, but Kate was the first person to enter it. Though, presumeably, she got knocked unconscious by Desmond as soon as she arrived - Locke went down to see what happened, and discovered her unconscious in the computer room. By that metric, Locke would still be the first person to explore the inside of the facility. Still, this is kind of needlessly nit-picky, don't you think? :) --Shodan1138 01:28, 6 August 2006 (PDT)

my vote goes to put kate(as a flight 815 survivor) in it.. because L & B discovered "the hatch" not "the swan" this point needs to be clear to the people who read this article, "the hatch" = 1st season(the search for something) and "the swan" opens lost to the second season for the recognition of this thing.. Or if needs to be the first person off dharma to enter in it, is Desmond(a lost navigator save by kelvin). .:: zOn3™ ::.

Removed theory

• "Quarantine" was written on the doors of The Swan because it is the island that is under quarantine.

Can anyone explain what this means? I thought it was obvious... —XSG 10:45, 10 August 2006 (PDT)

NOT destroyed?

Judging from the screencap of the imploded hatch, it's just the computer room that was destroyed. It looks like the rest of the hatch may be fine, just a little messy. Loki 04:22, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

It's hard to tell the size of the crater, and the resolution of the screencap I could get is too low to make out any detail of the crater walls. Locke didn't seem to be interested in it much, which would suggest that it was destroyed. Then again, he was a little distracted by the whole Eko hunt. Is there a better screencap than the one below? --Doc 12:36, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

Who cares about the crater walls, what happened to the main door of the swan (Not the Quarentine door). why didn't Locke & Charlie see what state that was in. Maybe Locke, Eko & Desmond escaped through that door aswell, but were disorientated by the system dischage noise and the implosion.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dazxp (talk • contribs) .

Here's a larger one. . Click it to make larger. --Marik7772003 12:44, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

It does look like at least something could still be there. I'm having a hard time getting the stubs of corridors to line up with the maps of the station. Perhaps the special effects guys didn't count on someone being a total geek and just added stuff because it looked neat.

If nothing else, the blocked off hallway that pointed towards the Pearl should still be there - and might be unblocked now. --Doc 12:52, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

Now that I've taken a second look, I'm quite lost. If the opening to the right of Locke's head wasn't there, it would all fit perfectly. There are only two ways this could be right: either this crater is from a much larger area of the Swan beyond the concrete door, or there was a door hidden in the computer room. If the latter is correct, you can see how the west door connects to the main hallway, and the north door connects to the living room, while the east door is a hidden door.

My gut tells me that the Hatch will never be revisited in future episodes. Loki 13:52, 20 October 2006 (PDT)

• The stubs look more like parts of a ventilation shaft to me, rather than corridors, but that might just be a trick of perspective. --Unyon 16:09, 18 December 2006 (PST)

• The remains to me dont really look like an "implosion" crater but a small explosion crater. This might not even be the Swan but a part of the power system or something like that. The Swan might have caved in or imploded and its not seen and possibly wont be. What I am saying is that this could be a crater caused by the detonation of Demolitions-Grade explosives used to Implode and destroy the Station. This could work by causing a cave in by breaking a Key-Structual point of the structure, just like destroying the foundations of a Car park causing it to fall apart under it own weight and collapse to rubble. This crater I dont think is even the Hatch shaft due to the possible air conditioning shafts (Those 3 or 4 "Tunnels" in the crater) which are at least not visible in the shaft at all scenes. And I dont think its the Swans interior because to me the Hole is not deep enough for 50 feet from the angle of my perspective it at a depth of 3 metres. Sorry if I said too much.--User:Liquid Snake 25/01/2007- 12:20 PM- Australian time.

Article in need of Update? (Cleanup)

Based on what we saw in Further Instructions, I think that this article dosn't really state that the station (or most of it) was destroyed. I even still see some theories that say that The Swan may have been destroyed at the end of Live Together, Die Alone. We should focus on detailing the station's destruction (maybe we should add a section labeled "destruction"). --Gateboy42 11:41, 22 October 2006 (PDT)

Certain theories in the associated section also need cleaning out; some are fan-theories, something which may not belong on an official page (unless I'm mistaking). --Gateboy42 16:00, 24 October 2006 (PDT)

Repetitive Tasks

Was DHARMA really all that smart? Entering the numbers every 108 minutes is the type of simple, repetitive task best suited for the computer sitting on the table. If it was important enough to cause a dangerous explosion, why put such a task in the hands of two sleep deprived people for years at a time? Let the computer handle it, and keep one or two people around to maintain the station. Playing psychological games with people who are actually doing something important seems reckless. The swan made more sense when it was just a miligram experiment- having it actually do something suggests that the DHARMA initiative might have been stupid from the beginning. -Beardog4314 15:09, 26 October 2006 (PDT)

• I agree!! Namaste, Good point!!--User:Liquid Snake

• • I don't. Psychology is crucial in confined areas. People who are working on Mars missions actually include a major psy study to the project. Think about the movie 2001! What if a misunderstanding occurs? What if a member becomes paranoïd, agressive, violent? Having a task, a role to play (even if not knowing it's purpose) maintain the illusion of sense. Like the plane safety advertisement in Fight club : illusion of safety. We don't know yet why exactly the DHARMA did all this, but we can link all the station with this psy thing. Just visualize the Swan, the cages in Hydra station, and check this out : [2]. -Kraken 12:00, April 17 2007 (GMT)

The Swan Station still exist

The evidence for this contention is the promo of 3x11 - Enter 77 Episode_Guide#Season_3. The Island Plot says that Sawyer will compete in a Ping-Pong competition to get back his belongings. And only the Swan Station has a Ping-Pong-Table. (Sorry for my bad english, I hope you understand what I mean). Ig85 13:43, 20 February 2007 (Germany)

• Sorry but Hurley is said to have found the table in the jungle, proly near the hatch site. I guess it was ejected like Desmond was. The magnetic collapse might have compressed the airlock to the point where it created a blast and everything not metallic was expelled outside. This would explain Desmond's nudity when he woke up and Locke's temporary muteness (altho deafness would have been acoustically more accurate). -Kraken

Map from magazine?

• A floor plan blueprint appears in issue 1.10 of Lost: The Official Magazine in an advertisement for a free poster that comes with subscribing. If people want it added and it's allowed by the sysops, I'll scan it. --Jackdavinci 12:25, 31 March 2007 (PDT)
  • I say get it scanned and up on the site. A canon map would be great!--Brian2 12:33, 27 April 2007 (PDT)

"This place... is a joke, John."

'nuff said? -Kraken

Map on the page needs to be updated

I can clearly see that the map on the page has to be updated. Even if it looks cool and correct, it still misses some keypoints. The pantry, The airlock, the toilet/shower area, an electromagnetic panel (which has a Dharma symbol on it. We saw it in Adrift). Is it going to be updated? Since we saw a lot of blueprints in the DVD

• The map appears to be wrong in several areas such as the airlock at the end, (The staircase is impossible due to lack of scenes etc), There is a "hidden" set of control panels in an alcove between the mural and the computer rooms hallway. The "Secrets from the hatch" documetary may help. good luck with the new map.

RE: Done. I hope you like my version. It took me the whole evening to do it.

• Good job. I was planning on making a map myself, but never got the time.

Exercise equipment

Under the "living space" section we should probably put some reference to the exercise equipment, as seen used by Desmond in "Man of Science, Man of Faith" (at the beginning). But I don't know what the different pieces of equipment are called! One of them is an exercise bike, certainly. Kidburla 20:02, 3 November 2007 (PDT)

Bioelectromagnetism

In the season 3 special features disc, J.J. Abrams mentioned that the magnetism from the swan was Bioelectric. I dunno If this is major? Maybe the smoke monster, cerebus, whatever you wanna call it, was leaked as a result of the incident or was itself the incident? Any ideas? PS: Bioelectromagnetism (sometimes equated with bioelectricity) refers to the electrical, magnetic or electromagnetic fields produced by living cells, tissues or organisms.

What about...

Shouldn't they're be a section about the two areas leading off from the Swan? --The Cartographer 12:41, 8 March 2008 (PST)

Do you mean the entrances? Those are in there. -- Graft   talk   contributions  13:24, 8 March 2008 (PST)

No I'm talking about the two areas revealed on the blast door map that are cut off from the Swan. --The Cartographer 13:48, 8 March 2008 (PST)

I don't think there's anything missing. But if there's consensus about some parts of the Swan are yet to be revealed, you may mention it under a heading that reads "The Swan on the blast door map" after the "Name" section, to keep it consistent with the other station articles. I still think there should be more input though, I don't really understand half the stuff on the map. --     blacxthornE       t a l k        f l a s h b a c k     04:24, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

interesting statement

I was looking through some Via Domus interviews on the via domus page when I stumbled upon an interview by TV.com with Gadi Pollack. they had something interesting to say about how the room behind the concrete wall was designed and created"

"We found ourselves giddy with joy the first time we saw the interior of the Swan Station, which was laid out perfectly. Lost producers also gave blueprints to areas TV viewers haven't ever seen, including a room behind the magnetic wall in the Swan Station, as well as the interior of the beached Black Rock."

I think this proves that only thing that is canon in the game is the places. Deutro-canon is what this game is and I say we add this out of non-canon. Except for the storyline part of course, because that is the real non-canon part of this game. --The Cartographer 19:41, 13 March 2008 (PDT)

You make an interesting point. Show me the article... that sounds intresting... --Rhcm123|talk|contributions 19:44, 13 March 2008 (PDT)

I don't know how to, but I can tell that is on the Via Domus page and that it is under the external links. Look for TV.com interview. Also check out the Vancouver film school article too it talks about what is canon and what isn't. Oh by the way their are some articles on Darkufo's Via Domus section that have similar discussions about what is canon in interviews from sometime around February. --The Cartographer 19:48, 13 March 2008 (PDT)

Notable Visitors?

Every other page for a DHARMA station has a section for notable visitors. Why doesn't this page? Crash815 04:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Hostile Territory

I wonder how the DI was able to drive vans to and from the Swan, and also work with some loud equipment to build the Swan -- and none of the Hostiles ever noticed? From what we've seen in Lost, the Others are the "kings of the jungle" (as Roger stated). Wouldn't they have came across it sometime in the duration of its construction? We know for a fact that the Others never discovered the station (as confirmed by Darlton via podcast). It just seems kind of odd since it's in Hostile territory. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 00:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

It is a pretty big island, and maybe they didn't venture over there very often. --LOST-The Cartographer 01:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I suppose. But wouldn't you think that the sound of heavy cranes and jackhammers would attract some attention? -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 01:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Very true :) Hopefully we will have an answer either through and episode or the podcast. Probably the ladder. --LOST-The Cartographer 02:39, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Cultural References

I'd really like to reexamine these and decide if they are necessary at all. It seems like anything that references swans - no matter it's relevance to Lost! - is thrown in here. At the risk of sounding super sarcastic, my daughter is watching "Wonder Pets" and the Wonder Pets are saving a swan. Should this be added as well?  ;) Dhalia 16:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Significance in a name?

I was just reading the article on nuclear weapon design [3] at Wikipedia and couldn't help but notice that the first "off the shelf" primary used in the construction of thermonuclear weapons in the nuclear arsenal of the United States was called "The Swan."

In other words, the device detonated at the end of "The Incident (Part 2)" at the construction site for The Swan was itself called The Swan. -- Antarctic Fox 20:43, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Could Use Certain Image(s)

In the S5 special features at footage taken at the Swan construction site we briefly see a map of the site. Can someone with image scanning skills get that image for this page? Might help us understand the confusion behind the site. Also somewhere (Sorry don't remember where in the special features) the camera man pans over Radzinsky's blueprints for the Swan which shows a lot more of it (Especially what's behind the wall) than the image we have on this article. --LOST-The Cartographer 14:17, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

• • Making Up for Lost Time is the featurette that shows the map of the site. Again can someone get an HD still of it please? --LOST-The Cartographer 19:54, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

The Construction Site

After much thought and observation, it seems to me the construction site we saw in 1977 was actually in the later stages of construction and not the beginning. Consider this: if the below ground section hadn't been built yet then why did the sealed off door exist? Also if it was the beginning of construction then why was the hatch shaft and its lid already built? It would seem a little early for them to build something like that. Anyway I believe the below section of the Swan (Geodome, living quarters, and possibly the "Incident room" behind the concrete doors) were already built. They just didn't show them because all the action was happening up above with the drill. --LOST-The Cartographer 02:44, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Season 5 DVD On location map

Recently i was watching the incident on location and i noticed a map of the plans of the swan station. when i saw it, i noticed that what Radzinsky had at the flame only seemed to be the main area that we've seen in season 2. Behind the wall i had a look and there appears to be a corridor close to the hatch with a dead end, and on the other side of the sealed area was another corridor leading to several smaller areas and finally via another corridor there appeared to be a structure that reminded me of the incident room. I honestly have no clue what it is, but it looks similar. This map made me believe that the section of the facility we have seen was only a small portion, and the Swan is bigger than i thought. Nevertheless i found the plans very interesting and theres a road and compass on it. Watch the DVD special features, its "on location" the incident. What does everyone think about this?--Swan-Operator:Radzinsky 09:45, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yea I've seen it too. I've believed since the Incident Room was announced for Via Domus that it is canon due to the Lost crew having drawn up plans for it and the Producers saying that they would never show what was behind that wall so to satisfy fans they aloud it to be in the game. Those blueprints were a nice somewhat confirmation of that. --LOST-The Cartographer 14:19, October 25, 2010 (UTC)