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Discovery

Locke & Eko should be removed from station discovers as Nikki & Paulo were chronologically the first Losties to discover the station and we don't need to list both and this is one of the few articles if not only article in which we do--Thelamppost 21:02, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

  • What exactly constitutes a "discovery" of a station? Technically, anything can be "discovered" by more than one person who previously had no knowledge of its existence. If the Others didn't know it existed at the time of the Purge, then at least one Other discovered it between then and the crash of Flight 815. And if anyone else comes to the Island after this point, and none of the Losties tell them about the Pearl, and these new people stumble upon it, then they also will have discovered it. --Celebok 06:15, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Reason for pile of Pneumatic Tubes

  • I think the main reason for the large pile of tubes outside with the notes in them, could very well

be this way because the DHARMA members were still stationed there and survived the purge, as they were underground, and didnt get the gas, perhaps they were there for some time before they noticed things were wrong. The may of been killed some time later, its worth mentioning that radzinsky was still in the swan station all those years. --Nzoomed 00:02, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Spoilers Below

As a sidenote it may prove somewhat relevant that when fishing Jin told Bernard that there were no pearls in the area.


Staff Transport

When Eko and John enter The Pearl and then they watch the video, Marvin Candle/Mark Wickmund says that after 8 hours they will get picked up by a transborder. Because if the two members of The Pearl live there where are the beds?

The computer

Since John and Eko were at the pearl in ? the computer has been changed look.

?: Pearlcomputer

The Cost Of Living: Pearlcomputer2

this appears to be quite an obvious production mistake, most people would not even notice, unless you pause the tape or watch it again, id say they used the same computer prop from the swan station, and forgot to put a pearl logo on it! Thanks for picking this up!--Nzoomed 02:46, 19 May 2008 (PDT)

Orientation Film

I added some brief information on the film, along with my own transcription of the video (thanks tivo).

It's interesting because he distinctly says 'another station' not 'other stations', which suggests only the Swan was meant to be monitored from the Pearl (which makes sense - one camera per station wouldn't be enough, you'd need several cameras to track movements and tracking several people in several different stations would be near impossible).

But my reason for writing it down is because I'm sure he says "at the end of your 8 hour shift proceed to the parlour fairy which will take you to the barracks".

I think it's pretty accurate, but please correct any mistakes if you see them. My own computer is broken and my net time is cut down, so I haven't been able to format it very well either. My comments are in brackets.

--Rayne 15:44, 14 May 2006 (PDT)

Ummm, nevermind, I just found the Pearl Orientation video page. I should've known someone else had already done it!

--Rayne 15:47, 14 May 2006 (PDT)

Please add a better looking Pearl logo when time permits. I only used MS paint for mine.  :P ~dissonance

Weren't there some words beneathe the circle? i wasn't paying enough attention Kman       talk contribs                   19:13, 10 May 2006 (PDT)

where did all this pearl info come from? I don't remember seeing a pearl orientation video Ernest 17:32, 10 May 2006 (PDT)

From the new episode, "?". It just ended. Did you miss it? ~dissonance

It's not on here on the us east coast for another 20 minutes. GREAT NOW THE EPISODE IS RUINED FOR ME. That's what I get for reading lostpedia so close to airtime :). Where are you that it's on already? - Ernest 17:44, 10 May 2006 (PDT)

Canada! CTV plays Lost at 7:00 PM. I guess down in the USA you guys get it at 9:00 PM, huh?  :P ~dissonance

I'm jealous - Ernest 17:59, 10 May 2006 (PDT)

Luckily I don't remember much else from the episode but Pearl-related stuff, or you'd REALLY get a spoiler.  :P ~dissonance

On the Orientation film it said "Dharma" in small letters right under the white circle. Eridani 21:53 10 May 2006 (EST)


Guys, im not sure about this... this may not be the ? of the blast door map but rather C IV (C4) on the map... Go here to find out: http://www.lost-forum.com/showpost.php?p=1252610&postcount=76 (Scroll down to the bottom of the post and reveal the spoiler     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email  
sadly, registration has been temporarly disabled by the administrator PanSavant 20:48, 10 May 2006 (PDT)
Posted a screenie of the post... found here     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email  
Thanks again Nusent. I am trying to remember, but how the Pearl Orientation Video make reference to the other stations again? PanSavant 21:04, 10 May 2006 (PDT)
I think he only referred to The Swan...     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email  
No, he did refer to all the other stations, but as a total numerical count. I'll find out tomorrow when I can watch it again online. The other issue with The Door being the ? station, don't the photos show the Door as being on the coast of the island, not the center? PanSavant 21:10, 10 May 2006 (PDT)
True that is what i was thinking too... we should wait until further notice.     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email  

"Also it looks as if the doctor in the Pearl's orientation film is likely to have a substantially larger taint". What's "larger taint" supposed to mean? ~cdevers

Video Camera

Is it just me, or did anyone else notice that Locke shined the flashlight on a video camera mounted in the corner of the room? If so, who is watching Pearl station, while they are watching everyone else? PanSavant 20:46, 10 May 2006 (PDT)

I noticed that too, and it seemed that Eko or Locke were not surprised, just concerned about it. Also, see the bold text above... this could mean that the Pearl is actually not the center of the blast door map... I think The Door is actually the center where it monitors everything.     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email  
During The Pearl scene, the angle of the camera viewing The Swan changes:
SwanCamAngle1

Angle 1

SwanCamAngle2

Angle 2

Unknown if this is just a continuity error, or if it means that someone is moving the camera. The camera that is actually in The Pearl did not appear to be very movable.--Zolointo 01:51, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
More than likely there are multiple cameras in each station, probably selectable manually or, by default, on some kind of rotation schedule.--Stew Erickson 05:15, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
Is angle 2 a reverse image of angle 1? Looks like Jack from the back, same head tilt as in angle 1. LOSTonthisdarnisland 18:18, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
No, different points of time. Plus, you can see different items in the scene. Advance 06:12, 13 May 2006 (PDT)
There could be multiple cameras that automatically switch when motion is detected. --Mramsey 19:33, 5 June 2006 (PDT)
I'm not sure where to put this, so anyone can add this where it needs to go. If you label the video screens 1-9, starting with the top left and going across, then the live video feed(s) of 'The Swan', is(are) screen 3. In the 'Orientation' video, all 9 screens start with the 'Pearl' logo, but later on screen 1 switches to a view of the computer located in the Swan. I was wondering if anyone else noticed this. MrEkitten 01:22, 14 May 2006 (PDT)
In the Talk-page of the Pearl Orientation Video is is mentioned and there is a screenshot.--Porter 01:32, 14 May 2006 (PDT)

numbers on the computer printout

when locke holds up the log file of whats being printed from the computer, there are sets of numbers. these numbers are a unix timestamp. all the ones on the sheet they do the closeup on translate to a date of 4/27/1971, with a time around 12:05 to 12:10. i think that pretty much clinches the theory of being the times when the code was entered and accepted on the computer at swan. --firesign 21:31, 10 May 2006 (PDT)

Well, maybe. Unix counts time based on the number of seconds since 1 Jan 1970 GMT -- so, yes, the values given do seem to work out to 27 April 1971. But the numbers on the printout are eight-digit values followed by a comma and two more digits -- Unix timestamps are rarely if ever written that way. (If you're looking at fractions of a second, you might see something like 41602086.12, with a decimal, but not a colon.) --User:cdevers

it is possible that the number after the colon is related to the timestamp, but not actually part of it. --firesign 22:22, 10 May 2006 (PDT)

Now there are a few things I don't really understand:

  • If these numbers are unix timestamps (which was my first impression, too) and they translate to a date of April 27 1971, how can the video be from 1980?
  • Since they start around that date, I assume this is either the first print of the log-file ever or the last one was just that day (April 27 1971). How come nobody printed it again till now?
  • Between the timestamps, there are only a few seconds. Not 104 to 108 minutes. Can not be the moment one of the numbers or a digit was entered either.
  • If there is an entry every few seconds, that makes a couple hundred million entries till now, doesn't it? The printer will run a couple of years untill it finied printing. ;-)

--Porter 06:21, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

While it's likely that the numbers on the sheet are timestamps, they do not need to be Unix timestamps. They could be following a different standard which has a different start date. Also, if you have computers sitting their processing things for years, which apparantly little or no maintanance from anybody. It would surprise me that the computers clocks are still set properly. --Uth 10:32, 11 May 2006 (PDT)


The article says the numbers increase, which is correct but misleading. The numbers increase, but are repeated several times down the page (in the shot the audience sees); therefore, the whole page is not a page of steadily increasing numbers, but repeated series of increasing numbers. LOSTonthisdarnisland 10:56, 11 May 2006 (PDT) Never mind LOSTonthisdarnisland 11:02, 11 May 2006 (PDT)


As a UNIX administrator, I assure you, the numbers are not a Unix timestamp. The numbers appear in the following format (taken directly from a screenshot):

41602050:29 accepted 41602052:17 accepted 41602054:05 accepted 41602055:53 accepted

Now, if we assume that the number prior to the colon represents an hour and the number after the colon represents a minute, we find that there are precisely 108 minutes between each number.

Minute math 108

Because of this, I believe it is correct that these represent the time that the numbers are entered at the computer in The Swan. --Xsg 11:24, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

  • Sorry to contradict the above, but you seem to be failing to comprehend the difference between the canonical text representation of a unix time (the ISO 8601 standard YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss) with the usual internal representation of Unix time, seconds since the start January 1st 1970. If we look at the pre-colon part of the entries in the log as integers into the epoch we see dates around April 27 1971. However this representation of time (Unix Time) wasn't fully formalized and implemented until 1972, which makes this interpretation unlikely. Also, it would fail to show what the post-colon numbers mean, as well as fail to explain why when they are read as minutes or seconds they add with the pre-colon numbers to a 108 unit differential. It may be that the architects of this system are using a similar time recording schema to unix time, but relied on a different date to start the epoch. Perhaps a date significant to Hanso Foundation or the Valenzetti Equations. --Frieze 10:20, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
  • This brings up a curious point, however. The numbers entered at The Swan aren't necessarily entered every 108 minutes! They could be entered at any time during the four minutes prior to the timer hitting zero. The likelihood that any of the survivors will simply wait for the timer to hit the last minute and just deal with three minutes of an annoying klaxon are slim, I believe. Therefore, I'm going to chalk this up to continuity error. --Xsg 11:31, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
    • This assumes that the system reports the numbers being entered exactly when "Execute" is pressed. It is entirely possible that it runs a check at the end of each 108 minute cycle and reports whether or not the numbers were entered.

One other important note:
If the number to the left of the colon represents an hour and the hour starts counting from 0 and is now up to 41602050, that would mean that 1,733,419 days have passed since hour 0. This would mean that 4745 years have passed since hour 0, which leads me to believe that there's more to this number than appears. --Xsg 11:41, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

What if the first 5 digits are a date stamp (4-16-2002) and the last XXX:XX are a time stamp? Desmond was in the Swan for 3 years, correct? Just a theory...

The theory doesn't hold, unfortunately. The numbers we can see increase from 41602052:17 to 41602113:29. Using your method, MDDYYhhh:mm, we would expect to only see two digits for the hour, and that number would increase by at most twenty-four before incrementing the day and re-cycling the hour. --Xsg 12:06, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

One point to all of this discussion. While I will concede that these numbers are a timestamp of some sort, we cannot make any type of assumption as to what they are a timestamp of/for. We do not know if it is even relevant to Swan Station. Maybe it is the time between a series of injections in The Staff or maybe the interval of sampling the count of fleas on the Polar Bear at Arrow Station (just kidding). My point is we just don't know (which sadly rules out a continuity error until we know more.) PanSavant 12:49, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

But we can try. ;-)
416 might be the number of the team that is supposed to be in there. A team stays 30 days. 30x416=12480 days. That means 34 years (1970 - 2004). --Porter 12:53, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

Are you sure about the time a team is supposed to stay ? I understood a team stays 3 weeks in The Pearl, that means 21 days. If I follow your steps with the theory of 416 numbers associated with a team count we have 21x416 = 8736 days (24 years minus about 20 days). So if we assume that the tape, dated from 1980, was made just before the start of this experience, we will be near year 2004. --Akhenaton 13:21, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

Ouh you are right. It's 3 weeks. Hmm don't know the 30 days came on my mind... But the 24 years fit even better, just as you said as well. ;-) But actually the Log should beginn with a timestamp lying far in the past, judging from what it looks like in there... --Porter 13:45, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

You're right too, a 3 weeks crew shift should take about 504 hours (3 weeks x 7 days a week x 24 hours a day), so it should take only the 3 right digits before the colon :( At this point we're pretty sure that at least these 3 digits, the colon and the last 2 digits can be included in a timestamp. As I observed closely, I can say that :

- One log page represents 99 hours
     (22 lines/page, 5 sequences each 2 lines : 11 x 5 x 108' = 99 hours).
- The first code seen is 41602046:53 and the last one (seen) is 41602127:53.
- The difference appears to always be 108 ...

But how old is this log ? We don't know. --Akhenaton 14:34, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

Guys, just google for "day 4160" and check out the top result: http://www.spirit-of-yggdrasil.com/page372.aspx . Dharma, 108 mentioned on the same page... co-incidence? Probably not. --Brookshoal 20:50, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

There are 10,000 hours in a "day" and we're seeing a log from around hour 2100?! Co-incidence?! Quite likely. --Xsg 09:19, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

I've been checking the numbers and found something, if you sort the numbers based on the :?? you will get 5 different "groups", and each number in that specific group is incremented by 9 every time.

for example, for the ":05" group you get:

41602054:05
41602063:05
41602072:05
41602081:05
41602090:05

if you decrement the number by 9 until you reach the closest to zero you will get the following values:

05 -> 4 17 -> 2 29 -> 0 41 -> 7 58 -> 5

which means that the 5 timers didn't start at 0 (not all of them) and that there have been aproximatly 4622450 "ticks" --Shodan 17:56 12 May 2006 (GMT)

The reason that these numbers increment by 9 every time is that 108 minute intervals will fit evenly into nine-hour intervals (five times, to be exact). There are 540 minutes in nine hours. 540 divided by 108 = 5. There is only one timer, not five timers. I agree, however, that the timer couldn't possibly increment every 108 minutes and still have started at zero. --Xsg 23:33, 12 May 2006 (PDT)
That's very intressting, in deed. The minutes (number after the colon) are always odd numbers. The timer was already startet 5 minutes before the first code was entered:
000:05
001:53
003:41
and so on
e.g.:
41602 052:17 --> 52 hours and 17 minutes
52 x 60 + 17 = 3137 minutes
3137 - 5 (offset) = 3132 mintes
3132 : 108 = 29
Porter 06:18, 13 May 2006 (PDT)
Or if its not 52 hours but 02052 hours, it startet 17 minutes befor the code was entered the first time:
2052 * 60 + 17 = 123137 minutes
123137 / 108 = 1140,15740740740...
(1140,15740740740 - 1140) * 108 = 17
Porter 06:30, 13 May 2006 (PDT)

Locke + Map + Tube = STUPID!

Why did John just toss the map into the tube? I know he was really bummed about everything down there, but why? Obviously it worked enough to find the place. Now somebody is going to find it and start raising hell.

It seemed pointless to send his only self drawn map in to the tube. I scratched my head over the point of John doing that. --Phil 04:49, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

I think that was the whole point. He doesn't feel like he has a purpose again since he feels "pushing the button" doesn't have any real purpose. He is caving in on himself and doesn't care about anything. He doesn't care if "someone else" finds his map because he needs answers.

The most likely reason to me is that he feels he has no more need of it and wanted to test the tube. I mean, Sayid, Charlie, Eko, and Locke (at the least) all know how to get back to the crash site if they need to. Absalom 06:01, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
Right. It was something he had handy that was small enough to fit in the tube, without removing anything from the room that might have been helpful/a clue. Also, this doesn't appear to be the main map that he was working on, but a smaller and less detailed version. LOSTonthisdarnisland 11:04, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
Well, he does have a memory of the map... its not hard to draw where the 7 stations are around the center. lol.     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email  
Besides, who needs a map? The movie said there was a ferry that runs every three weeks, and that might still happen if they're still dropping food. Not to mention someone was in there smoking a cigarette just before he got there! So, again, I ask, "Who needs a Map?" They can get off the island now! --Beardog4314 09:06, 17 May 2006 (PDT)
Also, it is worth noting that this would be an interesting message to send to whoever receives the logs. If it goes to the creator of the Blast Door Map it shows that someone has found the map and followed it to this station. I don't know if that is what Locke was trying to do, but it would have that effect. --Frieze 09:56, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

Only monitoring the swan? Or all stations?

did the orientation video seem to indicate that the inhabitants of The Pearl were to monitor all of the other stations? or just the swan? only one monitor showed a picture, and that was of the swan... would the other monitors simply show more monitors from the swan, or would they show the other stations. thoughts? --Dotsam 01:04, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

Since the monitors were numbered and match the number of stations it's almost certain there are cameras in each station. It could be that the missing signals from all the other stations indicate they are currently not "active."

Actually there are nine monitors, three rows of three. Wonder what the extra two are for.--Tricksterson 07:58, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

There are two monitors numbered 3. Bottom one in the first row, and the center monitor. And no number 5 monitor --Techiedavid 11:23, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

Station 5 of 6?

Now, that we know 2 Orientation-films, can we say there are 6 stations?

  • The Orientation-film of The Swan was labled "3 of 6" - sure, this could mean there are 6 movies and one of them is Orientation - but The Swan is stations 3 - ok, could be just coincidence
  • The Orientation-video of The Pearl was labled "5 of 6" AND The Pearl is stations 5
  • If there are 6 videos per station, how come they only find the Orientation-films?
  • Why isn't Orientation #3 everytime?
  • Wouldn't it make more sense, if Orientation was the first (or the only one) of the videos?

So, to me it looks like there are 6 videos, 1 for each station.
--Porter 08:34, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

We don't know for sure that it is station five of six. It could just be five of six in a series of orientation films. Until we know it as fact, it's only a theory that there are only six stations.
   Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 11:18, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
Yeah, one video for each station. All stations should not have the same videos. Each video has the instruction of what you are suppose to do in that particular hatch. If they share the same video, it will 'interfere' with the experiments conducted in different hatches. This is how real life science and psyc experiements are conducted. Limit the interferences of bad data and isolate the variables. -- Chatake 11:24, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
Actually, we do know that it is Station 5. The video clearly says Station 5 on the intro, just after the 5 of 6 frames. LOSTonthisdarnisland 18:11, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

The films imply that there are six stations (and one film for each), but that may or may not be true. We already know that the orientation films don't tell the whole truth (at the very least). It's possible that there are films and stations numbered from one to six, but there's also a "super secret" seventh station.

Beta vs. 16mm?

I may be mistaken on this, but wasn't the Swan training film on 16mm with a projector? Now the pearl has a betadeck... Did anyone see a large stack of tapes in the Pearl anywhere? They certainly wouldn't fit up the tube. I'm curious if the images on the screens are being taped, or if they're just a live feed.--Beardog4314 12:39, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

Probably just a live feed, thus the reason of having someone watching continuously for 8 hours a day taking copious notes - and possibly heroin on the table top to relieve the boredom (RE: Substance on the table theory - A plane loaded with a quite a bit of heroin crash landed right above their heads. I am sure some may have spilled out when it finally came to a rest.) It would be harder to explain the need for notes (and thus the need to watch the monitors, not the VCRs) if tapes were evident. Just a thought. PanSavant 12:57, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

I think this can't be the heroïn from the crashed plane as John and Eko had to move it before opening the door. --Akhenaton 15:08, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

The crashed plane wasn't over the hatch initially. It later fell to that location, from the top of the cliff, when Boone climbed into it. PanSavant 16:53, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

just to be nitpicky, and maybe its relevant and maybe not, but that was not a beta vcr. it was a sony u-matic which is from the 1970s, and predate both beta and vhs. they used bigger cassettes because they used a wider tape than beta and vhs machines. i worked in a consumer electronics store back in the early 70s, and even though these were not exactly consumer units we had one in the store and i actually sold a couple. a u-matic deck would be more in line age-wise with the apple // computer, the dot matrix printer, and the types of monitors that they found in the pearl station. --firesign 15:39, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

It wouldn't be hard to run video cables parallel to the pneumatic tubes and let whoever is reading the logs record the video at the end of the tube. That way they would wind up with tapes and logged summaries. --Frieze 09:59, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

Also, it is worth noting (more on the swan's page though) that the magnetic field in the swan makes it unsuited to the use of magnetic media, thus necessitating the 16mm(?) orientation film at that location. I assume that the computer in the dome is shielded. --Frieze 10:05, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

Wisp of smoke

Did anyone else see the wisp of smoke coming from the left arm of the right chair (or right arm of the left chair, depending on point of view) while they were watching the video? It was rising from something white on the arm of the chair. It looked like cigarette smoke. --GeorgePBurdell 13:04, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

I saw the cigarette smoke in the Orientation video. You can also see a cigarette on the chair, seemingly where John and Eko saw the cigarette remains when they enterred... Advance 06:27, 13 May 2006 (PDT)

According to Cuse/Lindelof on the ABC podcast the cigarette is still burning, I made this change but someone changed it almost immediately afterwards from burning to burnt. I will undo this change and make a comment referring them to the discussion. Marcusbm 19:58, 15 May 2006 (PDT)

And yet no neither of them smelled the smoke in that very confined place...--ASEO 09:23, 3 November 2006 (PST)

Ok, that's just plain weird. That means there must be some other method for getting out of the Pearl other than the overhead hatch. Why didn't Locke and Eko look for it? (?!?) --Doc 10:09, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

Anybody ever consider the bookcases??? --Gateboy42 16:23, 15 July 2006 (PDT)

Link to Apollo

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but I believe The Pearl adds to the hatches' links to the sun god Apollo.

As we already know, The Swan, The Arrow, and The Staff are linked to Cygnus, Sagitta, and Ophiuchus respectively. These three constellations are linked with Apollo. So I was thinking, "What are The Flame and The Pearl linked to?" The Flame, I haven't the foggiest. The Pearl, however, I believe is associated with Apollo himself. One could say the pearl in the station's logo looks like the sun, and Apollo is the sun god after all. Also, Apollo's own symbol is the egg of creation, which is circular in form and very pearl like. Finally, I found an artistic rendering of Apollo somewhere (it was on the internet, that's all I know) where he is holding a large golden sphere, almost like a giant pearl.

This might help explain why The Pearl is the center station and also the observance station.--Tejayes 22:04, 17 May 2006 (PDT)

Fix or Remove Fan Maps

The fan made maps of this hatch are not correct, they completely discredit the fact that the hatch would need to include living quarters, especially if the people in it are going to be in there for 3 weeks (at least). For the moment, the present images may confuse readers at best.--Sauron18 02:17, 20 May 2006

The orientation video states that the occupants work in Pearl in 8 hour shifts after which they are transported away from the station. The three weeks is the total tour of duty, not the duration of the shift. --skks 00:58, 20 May 2006 (PDT)
Still, there has to be more to the complex, feedin area, a bathroom. --Sauron18 17:41, 23 May 2006
The main room is octagonal. One segment is taken up with the passageway out of there. Don't we see all the other seven walls? How might you get to these rooms? TortureMeSayid 16:02, 29 May 2006 (PDT)
Please refer to my post at the bottom of this discussion page, to see where the bathroom is, as it is a hidden door behind a wood panel but you can clearly see the silver handle. And as for the tunel, there is a huge air vent in the Pearl and we have no idea where it goes, doesn't that stand out to anyone else?

Pneumatic Message System

Looks like Eko was right about the Pearl and its mission.

The pneumatic message system was a dummy just spewing the contents into a mound on the surface. Interestingly if the plane was less than a day from the crash beach and the fake huts on the shore was 2 1/2 days away from the hatch the pneumatic system took the containers a fair ole way away from the Pearl.


Undergroundness?

I've read this theory of there being an underground tunnel between stations, particularly from evidence that in the Pearl station there was a 'smoking cigarette' supposedly. Anyway where would entrances be? The only thing I can think is that the moment we first see the Peal logo on the wall, there's a box outline of the logo which seems like out a bit (sorry bad description) - basically like a square plaque. I notice also in the Eko dream at the beginning, the brief shot of the Swan logo also shows a square plaque outline. Is it possible that theres something behind the plaque? Also, can anyone screencap the images I'm talking about? --Nickb123 10:10, 5 June 2006 (PDT) --MRNasher

the last theory point

...is wide of the mark, i think the writers of lost confirmed that the cigarette left in the pearl was still alight, therefore it must be a cigarette - Mikey - "so emo, it hurts

 ?, Target, or...

This is a bit too silly to put in the article, but might be worth discussion. After reading the "target" theory, this is the image that I saw . Maybe it's the real Henry Gale's landing spot, or his form of an SOS. --Mramsey 18:23, 5 June 2006 (PDT)

Is This Station really the "?"

There has been quite a bit od the debate as to whether the "?" is really the Pearl. There are views that it was all to quick to reach for Locke and Eko. There's also the fact that Eko called it a circle when he came back from the cliff to check the ground. I was right in my view of the button still being purposeful after this Episode, and I kinda vaguely guessed the whole button/plane crash possibility, so I hope this is true and the real actual"?" is somewhere else. My final evidence? Blast Door Map. At 4 o'clock, just outside of the Dharma Logo, next to Station "c4?" are the words, "The Pearl?"--Buckleynut June 7th 2006, 21:30 (GMT)

The writers wanted us to believe it is the "?". So it most likely is. --Peephole 02:23, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

My problem is that that makes it seven stations, if the ones at 2 and 4 o'clock are real stations. I dunno. We'll See...--Buckleynut June 11th 2006, 23:30 (GMT)

I hade noted a bit of supporting evidence that the Pearl wasn't the (?) on the map (see below), but Captain Insano decided it was redundant.

      • The smaller question mark is just below some wavy lines running left to right. If these lines are meant to show differences in elevation, then they would correspond to the ridge from which Eko saw the question mark in a circle salted into the ground.

That combined with the fact that there's only one small question mark, that the Pearl is on the wrong side of the wavy lines, and that it seems to be a lot closer to the Swan than the other stations, makes me think that the Pearl and (?) are not the same. --Doc 11:25, 16 June 2006 (PDT)

I deleted it because the theories section isn't a forum, if you want to get really in detail about your facts and defend a theory come back here come to the talk page--CaptainInsano
There were already two points there that served as support for the theory. They're ok but any others aren't? --Doc 11:43, 16 June 2006 (PDT)
The thing about your's is that we don't know if the waxy lines are a cliff. Most say they look like rivers which would make a lot more sense becauce it splits in two. Have you ever seen a cliff split in two? (not a canyon a cliff)--CaptainInsano
Who knows (other than the producers) intended the lines to be, but they seem to correspond pretty well with the line of the cliff face. Actually, it doesn't matter if it's a river or cliff. Either way, the (?) is on the wrong side of the lines if it's the Pearl. --Doc 12:40, 19 June 2006 (PDT)

You should read the map in this way [1] (blue lines: river; red lines: cliff).

Maps Revisited

The maps are obsolete. In the episode "The Cost of Living", it was revealed that there's a bathroom in the Pearl. It should be added (though I'm not sure where) or the maps should be removed. --Doc 10:21, 4 November 2006 (PST)

  • Look at this picture, from the Gallery:
Pearlstation2

The panel to the right of Eko, is the bathroom, a clear metal shiny handle can even be seen on it, something no one noticed when we first saw the Pearl, just goes to show the writers are thinking ahead. And yes the diagrams should be changed to include the bathroom.--Mr.Leaf 19:33, 12 December 2006 (PST)

And what about the missing triangle on the roof? I can't also remember if the first time they knew about the existence of the bathroom. Maybe that's where the Smoker was hiding.--andreapasotti

Possible Experiments

Can anyone speculate as to what kind of pycological experiments could be done on a few people in a small room for a short period of time everyday that could save the world? It strikes me as this station might be more interesting that previously thought. --Hit and miss 11:44, 25 March 2007 (PDT)

  • Testing their willingness to conform to the demands of the orientation is probably the most obvious thing that could be measured. After all, if a society is unwilling to speak out against wrongdoing, a small number of people can create huge proportions of immorality. Take a peek at the Milgram experiment. -PsychoYoshi 14:30, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

The Bathroom

Did anyone else notive that in the toilet water holder thing there was the number 22 on the inside. what does this mean? --Project X 16:21, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

How come DHARMA members were not aware of being spied on?

In the man behind the curtain Ben's father said he would deleiver some supplies to pearl station before they would have a beer together, on the day of the purge if he knew what the pearl station was for, would you not think the word would get round? Especially if the crew of the station were reguarly changed?--Nzoomed 03:27, 16 May 2008 (PDT)

Why do you think people *wouldn't* know? Everyone can see cameras in their own stations, they must figure somebody is watching. On the other hand, it seems like Swan got it's own supply drop and members who were told by the film not to try to make contact using the computer. So it makes sense that they wouldn't know what the Pearl was up to in terms of the whole notebook thing. --Jackdavinci 03:53, 16 May 2008 (PDT)
Thats why i think that the people in the Swan must have almost been improsined in the Swan station, they got their own supply drops, and perhaps were told that there was sickness outside of the station etc, although they had shifts in the station and went back to the barracks, i certanly dont think they would have known what the pearl station was actually for, and certanly wernt allowed there, im sure Ben and his father knew at the time the purpose of the Pearl. id like to know what anyone else feels about this, im sure season 5 and 6 will shine more light.--Nzoomed 02:43, 19 May 2008 (PDT)

Where is the Pearl?

The page currently states that the Pearl is North of the Barracks. While I would not say that this is impossible, this assertion is not cited, and I can find no definitive canon evidence to support this claim. I have studied most of the available maps, and I have to assume that the person who posted this directionality did so because Ben's radio tower map shows the Pearl above the Barracks. However, it is an unwarranted assumption that "up" is "north" on this map, since no compass is shown on the map. In fact, there is plenty of evidence that the Pearl is south of The Barracks, though perhaps not yet enough to put it on the main page. You're welcome to look at some of the evidence here. As such, I am deleting the assertion from the main page. <hiero>O34:O4-G17-D58-A1</hiero> zholmboe 21:58, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Totally agree mate. Almost everyone seems to think the "radio tower map" is the only correct map, and despite all the other evidence, that because of this map alone the Pearl is north of the Barracks. Check out this map by TheLostMap: thelostmap.blogspot.com/. I think this probably the best map there is on the subject, although there are several locations worth questioning. --LOST-The Cartographer 01:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


Eko visited the Pearl in ("Exposé") ?

I do understand something not. I see Eko not visiting the Pearl in ("Exposé"). He first visited this station in ("?"), but that is he's last visited? Am I right?--Station7 10:30, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it doesn't make sense because Eko was dead long before ("Exposé"). He did go visit the Nigerian drug plane in ("The Cost of Living") while other survivors went into the Pearl, but Eko stayed outside and got killed by Smokey. --Celebok 17:01, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Celebok, I hope they listen to us.--Station7 18:42, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Well, since nobody responded in over two days, I went ahead and changed it myself. --Celebok 15:32, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


Things that already happened!

I changed it, because it those are from Archive Footage from the Cost of Living. Flashbacks doesn't count from something that already happened, with we have seen before!--Station7 14:15, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Pierre Chang

We should edit Pierre Chang here to. He is also edit on the page of the Orchid. He visited this station to.--Station7 15:08, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Which station(s) were being spied on?

This page is written with the assumption that the Pearl was used to spy on the Swan station. Of course, this is the conclusion that Locke reached in the episode "?".

However, this is an assumption. Here is what we actually know:

  • The monitors from the Pearl could see more than one station. In the episode "?", Locke switched on monitors 1,2,3 (the first column) and 7,8,9 (the third column). Monitor 7 showed The Swan while the others showed static. Since the Pearl appears to have been abandoned suddenly (there was a half-burnt cigarette and many ashes on one observer's table), it is quite possible that these monitors had not been re-configured between the time the Pearl was abandoned and the time that Locke arrived -- in other words, monitor number 7 had been set to show the Swan back when the Pearl was being used by the Dharma folks.
  • In the Pearl Orientation video, Chang/Wickmund states, "Your duty is to observe team members in another station on the Island." He does not specify which station, but from his phrasing it is clear that he is telling the Dharma folks in the Pearl that they must monitor one specific station -- not all of them.
    • Of course, there might be exceptions to this rule. For example, we know that the Dharma folks assigned to the Pearl worked in three-week shifts, so it's possible that for three weeks one station would be monitored, and then for the next three weeks another station, and so on. And of course, some of the Dharma leadership might occasionally use the Pearl to monitor whatever stations they felt like spying on at the time. But the straightforward meaning of the training video is that the Pearl inhabitants were assigned to monitor exactly one Dharma station... and we are never told which one!
  • During the video, Chang/Wickmund is seen standing in several diffent locations inside the Pearl. But whenever he is standing in front of the monitors, all of the monitors show the Pearl logo -- except for monitor 4 (the top monitor in the middle column), which shows two men looking at a computer on a desk. Does this indicate that the station that the Pearl workers are assigned to monitor is the station in monitor 4? Perhaps.
    • If we assume that the station behind Chang in the video is the station being monitored, can we determine which station this is? It is probably the Swan: compare the video [2] to this picture [3], and it appears that the desk is the same shape. But unless someone has a good picture of what the Swan looks like seen from approximately the same angle as in the Pearl video, I think this remains a guess rather than a certainty. But in any event, this is all based on the assumption that Chang deliberately filmed the video with the station in question behind him.
  • Finally, we know that one of the Pearl log books refers to one of the persons being observed as "S.R." The Pearl article suggests this is probably Stuart Radzinsky being monitored in the Swan. But even if we assume that S.R. means Radzinsky, we have no way of knowing what Radzinsky's different assignments were between 1977 and the Purge in 1992. All we know is that at the time of the Purge he was stationed in the Swan.

So I suggest that this page be rephrased to indicate that the Pearl was used to monitor "an unspecified Dharma station, which the orientation video may indicate is the Swan". Any objections? — Lawrence King (talk) 04:10, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

It observed the Swan; that is certain. It also connected to other stations, but though its video connection to the Flame was two-way, its cameras in the Swan were hidden, proving that it observed the Swan, not the Flame, and presumably not any other station either. The notebooks referred to a Ping Pong table, which existed in the Swan,and we have no evidence of any other such table in any other station. Finally, the Pearl computer was programmed to dump logs from the Swan computer. --- Balk Of Fametalk 04:37, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
I agree with this. We've got no firm evidence that another station was monitored, and I don't know why they would want or need to monitor another station. The Swan was designed to have people locked away inside and living there for long periods of time, whereas stations like the Flame and the Looking Glass had people coming and going freely. These were of course utility stations, where DI members were posted just to keep things running and little to no research took place. The other stations where research was carried out, we have no evidence that people could live there, e.g. the Orchid. This means there would have been no need to observe the behaviour and actions of the people who worked there. The only reasons I can think of as to why the Flame was able to be monitored is a) for security, if the Hostiles managed to take control of it or b) Sayid managed to access a camera feed which was not intended to be accessed when he fiddled with the wires.--Baker1000 18:32, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, that seems persuasive. Also, I figured out that the image behind Chang in the Pearl orientation video is a picture of the Swan, without the modern computers. In other words, it has the little terminal that our heroes enter the Numbers on sitting on the pentagonal table, and on the wall behind it are the 1970s analog computers with spinning magnetic tape reels -- but the black computers with colored lights are not in the video. I'm suprised the filmmakers went to this much effort, but it does make sense. It also means that the Pearl was in operation for a long time, spying on the Swan.
Also, this page suggests that the cigarettes are evidence of Others who visited the Pearl after the Purge. Although that doesn't seem certain, it makes sense and it didn't occur to me. Presumably the Purge killed all the Dharma folks in the "barracks" but there must have been other Dharmaites scattered around the island who were then killed one-by-one. When the guys in the Pearl ended their shift, they must have left the station and headed back to camp and were then killed.
Finally, is it worth mentioning that the Pearl can be accessed only by one hatch, which is lockable from the outside? I sure wouldn't go down in a hole if someone else could lock me in! — Lawrence King (talk) 00:25, August 23, 2011 (UTC)