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I think we should add that the preview had Wonka's boat poem.- JustPhil 14:33, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

  • I, for one, would like to know WHY they put it in the preview.--Gibbeynator 19:49, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
    • Because There's no way to know which way we're going...--Pittsburghmuggle 01:55, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah, that had to be the absolute worst promo in Lost history. And that's saying something. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
  • Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is all about 'candidates' being chosen to become the next Wonka, but eventually they all get picked off one by one and ends up with only one 'candidate' left. Remind you of any other show? ;) Phobia27 13:32, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  • Correct me if i am wrong but i did not hear the willy wonka poem/song anywhere in the episode. Jdray 02:17, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • The "trippy" trailer was for an episode that aired on 4/20.--Frank J Lapidus 04:50, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Press Release...

... it's here.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  18:34, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

The Last Recruit

Who is it? I'm guessing it will be Jack, as Jack will probably be the hardest to convince to join Locke. After the real John Locke convinced Jack so thoroughly in the goodness of the Island, in the idea of destiny, and in fulfilling his purpose, I can't see Jack throwing away all of that. Considering what he's been through to come to this place in his life, he will probably be the least likely to be recruited. The other best possibility is Hurley, as he seems to trust Jacob pretty thoroughly. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

  • Perhaps it's Jin? The Man in Black has everyone he wants in his camp now except Jin, so now he is going to pick up 'his last recruit'. Phobia27 13:29, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  • It's someone whose name ends in "oundelay." In the latest issue of Wired (10.05), there is an interview with Carlton and Damon. In it, they muse about the show's arc and philosophical meanderings--nothing any of us Losties haven't heard already. The opening page of the article shows a photo of Carlton and Damon in their writers' office. Behind them is a whiteboard with all kinds of Lost-related plot notes and other interesting tidbits. On the left side of the whiteboard are a few recent episode names and their respective episode number. Episode 610, "The Package," is shown along with 611; 612, although the number isn't visible but "Everybody Loves Hugo" is. The central character of the next episode, which is already known to be called "The Last Recruit," is "...oundelay." Hmmmmm.... --Oedipus 23:00, April 18, 2010 (UTC)Oedipus
    • That's a spoiler, but from what I've read you're wrong, so it's not a bad spoiler. --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 15:18, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
      • Wow, Oedipus, your knowledge is wonderful! I'll tell all my friends. Marc604 05:56, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

I'm betting it is a character we may not have met as of now. Remember that Jacob wanted Jack and Hurley to turn the lighthouse to 108 degrees. When Hurley tells Jacob that Jack broke the lighthouse mirror, Jacob shrugs and says, "They'll find a way here." I am speculating that 108 is the number of the "Last Rercruit."

Who was the last candidate? Did the episode make it clear? Jdray 02:18, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

  • After the epsiode is over, I find it hard to believe that Jack is on the MiB's side. I understand that he kinda saved Jack's life but I certainly don't think his idea to do the way of Jacob is going to go away. --Phryrosebdeco23 04:41, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Going by the conventions of the episode, clearly it's Jack. Since he's the last "Candidate" still in Locke's group. Not that I believe for a second Claire and Dogen's assertion that merely talking to Locke brings you over to his side. After all, all the others except Sayid have talked to him and then abandoned him, and even Richard and Jacob himself have talked to him and clearly changed sides...--Jackdavinci 10:41, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, centricity...

So, obviously, various. Locke, Sawyer, Claire, Sayid, Jack, Jin & Sun are definite centrics... but should we also include those others who appeared (Ben, Kate, Miles, Desmond, Ilana)? My guess is no, because there weren't any flashes from their POV...(Kdc2 02:03, April 21, 2010 (UTC))

  • Agreed, various with Locke, Sawyer, Claire, Sayid, Jack, Jin & Sun. --LeoChris 02:10, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Best show ever in the history of the universe, I don't think anything will compete with it in our lifetime. Fastest hour in my life. That being said...no centricity Annarboral 02:26, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

  • No centricity, or various if you will, a bunch of Losties for the flash-sideways. Felt like a mini-finale. Phobia27 02:27, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • No centricity is much different from various... and it was the latter. (Kdc2 02:32, April 21, 2010 (UTC))
      • Various then. Phobia27 02:47, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Various. Specifically: Jack, Sawyer, Locke, Sayid, Jin, Sun, Claire.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  02:58, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

I would say, Jack - all situations are related to him and happen arround him. and specifically the end. clearly, it is his story. --V-vk 03:29, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Reply Jack has nothing to do with Sayid, Sawyer or Kate in this episode. Plus, some segments of the flashsideways were clearly from their point of views. --LeoChris 03:33, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • I'd say no to it being a centric for others apart from Ilana, considering her presence in more than one character's POV, sort of like the Jacob centric The Incident. 01lander 03:53, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • I'd say for centricity: Jack, Locke, Claire, Sun, Sawyer and Sayid. I'm not sure about Jin, since the flash was from Sun's POV, but Jin was also there the whole flash. --NK-Metaltalkcontributions 05:38, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • I'd say leave Jin, it was mainly Sun/Jin throughout, unlike Illana, Kate's appearences. Buffyfan123 06:16, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • I agree, it is a multi-centric episode, but Jack has a dominant part considering that he had his mirror moment in FST. By the way, so close to the end of Lost, when all loose ends are picked up and all(?) questions will be answered, I expect every show to be multi-centric. There is no room for a single person centric episode. --Akege 09:11, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • For once I agree with multicentric / flashsideways of Jack, Desmond, Ben, Locke, Sun, Jin, Ilana, Claire, Sawyer, Sayid, Kate, Miles, Jack... OK centric may have been Jack. But flashsideways was definitely multiple. The behind the scenes whiteboard picture as "roundelay" whatever that means...--Jackdavinci 10:37, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Where was the flash from Locke's POV? You mean the ambulance ride? I think FST Locke had more screen time in the "previously on lost" Cabeckett 13:39, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Christian/Locke/Smokey

Previously, it was stated that Smokey was trapped in Locke's form, however it's now been revealed that he was Christian as well. Why wasn't he trapped as Christian, and how could he assume both Christian and Locke's forms simultaneously (5x9,5x12) ? Should these go under unanswered questions? -- Xbenlinusx 03:03, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

  • Reply MiB also assumed both Alex and Locke's likenesses over a short period of time. I'm pretty sure TPTB have said that him being stuck in Locke's form has to do with Jacob's death. --LeoChris 03:09, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • There is no guarantee that MiB is telling the truth when he claims he appeared to Jack as Christian; remember he is a known liar when it suits his purposes.MarkFunk 03:11, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Ilana said MIB is now trapped as Locke because Jacob is dead.Annarboral 03:26, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • Can't believe it took so long for someone to mention this, but yes, Annarboral is right. Marc604 06:03, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • So it was Christian the whisper appearing to Michael on the freighter right, MIB cant travel over water. Buffyfan123 06:17, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • It seems so, but we don't know it ironclad yet.--Pittsburghmuggle 06:27, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • None of this is addressing the fact that he assumed 2 forms at the exact same time. -- Xbenlinusx 06:44, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
      • If you're referring to him being Locke and Alex, that was before Jacob was killed and also Locke went to "go find some rope" before the smoke showed up and later manifested as Alex. If you mean when he was Christian in the barracks with Lapidus and Sun and Locke outside, I'm pretty sure Ben wasn't with Locke, but Locke came out of the jungle after Christian disappeared. As for being on the Kahana, we don't know his travel limitations yet. -- Clayburn talk contributions email 07:08, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
        • No I'm not. At the exact time he was Christian in New Otherton, he was also John Locke over on the Hydra Island while the crash victims were wondering who he was. -- Xbenlinusx 07:32, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
          • We can't be certain it was the exact same time, as they occurred in two separate locations. [1] I guess, though, this would mean that he can travel to and from Hydra if he wanted to, without a boat. -- Clayburn talk contributions email 08:08, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • What about the time Christian was seen inside Jacobs cabin? It was surrounded by a ring of ash which we know keeps the smoke monster in or out. How could Christian be trapped inside the cabin while the smoke monster is roaming the island if they're supposed to be the same person? --KeithM999 08:58, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Wasn't Christian also seen by Jack in LA? In Something Nice Back Home, S4? Who was that? --Mwexler 10:39, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • Either the continuity control guy is doing a very sloppy job, or it wasn't smokey as Christian. Here's what we know. We know that the Man in Black can't travel off the island, or through ash rings, while Jacob and Dogen were alive. Jacob was alive during Something Nice Back Home and Cabin Fever. We can assume that Smokey can't travel across water, so he could have just offed a survivor in secret, shapeshifted into them to get on the Kahana, and THEN turn into Christian to appear to Michael, but then, the Kahana was outside the radius, which might just constitute "getting off the island".--Gibbeynator 10:55, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Just because he claims to have appeared as Christian does not mean it is true. Furthermore just because he has appeared as Christian once does not mean that every manifestation we see of Christian is MIB. Jdray 13:11, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Desmond Dead

I don't think Sayid shot Desmond, I think after the talk the two of them had. I don't want to think that Sayid is all evil now, I have some hope after that scene that he isn't totally evil. Lying is a given on LOST, it just matters who is lying when. I think Sayid lied about killing Desmond.--Phryrosebdeco23 04:47, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

  • Good guess. Marc604 06:03, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • We are close enough to the end of the series where if someone was going to die, we'd see it. There's no hope for next season - or even more than four episodes in the future now.--Pittsburghmuggle 06:29, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Point of the ep seems to be that the whole sickness thing is a construct of Nemesis' twisted mind. That the infection is belief in obfuscation. That truth and love may rescue us in the end. So Sayid and Claire can still be saved.    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   07:12, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • Oooo Kane great idea about the infection! I remember when the season started I thought, "man I almost wish that the FS would become the real reality" but the sickeness thing I don't know how they are gonna come back from. So that would be really great if they were able to get out of that "sickness" veil on their own. --Phryrosebdeco23 09:20, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah I'm pretty sure Sayid just flat out lied to MIB about killing Desmond, but what does anyone think of how sayid reacted at the realization that he could lie to MIB and MIB believed him. That look suggested that Sayid just had some kind of plan click together in his head when he realized MIB was not all knowing and could be lied to.
    • Not convinced MiB believed him.Cabeckett 13:45, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

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This episode had various centrics, and also if anyone was the "star", it would be Jack. It was all about his decision to stay on The Island, and he was in a lot of the Flash-Sideways scenes. -- Clayburn talk contributions email 06:38, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

  • I'll just make a sentimental mention for Sun & Jin's reunion, though the caps at Eastereggs make it between one of them, or both looking at Zoe apprehensively. [[2]]
That said, I agree it's Jack. Found 2 decent closeup caps - Jack picked last for kickball [[3]] and "I have a sister" [[4]] (meh).
    • I feel like since it's a multi-centric episode, we shouldn't really have a close up on any one person. Even if it only shows one person, at least don't do a closeup, so we know the focus isn't only them. Ya know? -- Clayburn talk contributions email 07:43, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
      • Well, then it has to be 'Jack flying through the air', or Sayid tripping over the hose. There's just no ensemble pic I can find. Maybe this 'action' shot - [[5]]? Duncan905 08:24, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
        • I love the image of Jack blown up. -- Clayburn talk contributions email 09:00, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
          • You have NO IDEA how much I had to resist adding "Kaboom!" as a caption to that picture on the main page.--Pittsburghmuggle 12:12, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Blooper?

or how do they sail without sails?

Sailing

sailing without sails

the current?Bassrockindrew 06:47, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

  • The Elizabeth has a motor & prop. The noise is audible, though faint. Recall the Others taking her at night from the Pala dock? Duncan905 07:09, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • yes, you are right, the noice from the motor is audible. and Sawyer is not a great sailor too. --V-vk 07:47, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Sawyer/Anakin/Star Wars -- I say remove this one. This might sound crazy to a Star Wars fan, but Anakin isn't necessarily part of the typical trilogy viewer's vocab, especially presumed childhood fans like Sawyer. Everybody knows Chewie and Han, but the name "Anakin" is barely mentioned in the original trilogy. Sawyer would probably know him as "the old white guy Vader turns into."

Cultural References

  • "Drinking the Kool-Aid": Sawyer tells Kate that Claire can't come with them because she "drank Locke's Kool-Aid." This is a reference to the Jonestown cult mass suicide of 1978, when over 900 followers of cult leader Jim Jones committed suicide via cyanide at their Guyana camp. It is believed that Jones had cups of Flavor Aid or Kool-Aid (both were present at the camp) poisoned with cyanide to kill his followers. (History)
    • This isn't mine, but not sure how this can honestly be pulled. Kool-Aid's a brand name for one, and there's no acknowledging that reference without the context of "drinking". I say reinstate. Duncan905 07:13, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • I pulled it. Not only is there no direct reference to the Jonestown madness but that is not even the obvious reference made famous by Ken Kesey et al. Its just sort of a sideways reference to LSD which has got into the language as meaning a drink that will make you believe things which aren't true. Edit: meaning something which will make you believe "crazy" things.    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   07:16, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • I found this reference to be very obvious, and agree with it. -- Xbenlinusx 07:35, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • Sorry to disagree CharlesKane, but Jonestown is exactly the reference being made, not the Electric Kool Aid Acid Test, since it's "Locke's Kool-Aid." It's completely about a group blindly following a charismatic & suspect leader. Obvious? That's a face-value reference, and a grim foreshadowing/warning. Duncan905 07:36, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
      • Completely agree with Duncan905. It's painfully obvious in context as well. The question is, how can you not see it? AlaskaDave 10:23, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
      • The reference stands. I don't think there's any doubt he was referencing The Jim Jones/Jonestown thing.--Pittsburghmuggle 12:16, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Can't it just be a reference to Kool-Aid and the popular saying "drinking from the something or other Kool-Aid"? After all, I don't think Sawyer was referencing LSD or the Jones suicides. He was just using a common phrase. Its origin would merely be a side note. -- Clayburn talk contributions email 07:41, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • The suicide Kool-aid is exactly what I thought of. I agree with that being the reference. --Phryrosebdeco23 09:23, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • It's obviuosly a Jonestown reference, that's where the saying "drinking the kool-aid" comes from. Who seriously can't grasp that? --D Toccs 11:32, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Let's just get this perfectly straight. Kool-aid started to be used early 50s with the beats. It was widely used in the 60s (I know - I was there!). The Jonestown usage was based on that earlier usage but the phrase had already been adopted as a colloquialism well before the massacre. Thus as "obvious" as it may be to some of you - especially "unsigned" prior to this edit - you are quite simply wrong (as to obviousness). I'm not saying the writers may not have thought of Jonestown but it is as likely they were simply using the colloquial term, which fits quite as well with the meaning intended. Either way, it cant be a cultural reference because it is just using colloquial language.    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   10:49, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • There is nothing perfrectly straight about it. Of course people drank kool-aid before the Jonestown massacre. But that's not what the phrase means, or else Sawyer's use of it wouldn't make sense. It clearly means - you're listening to someone or something that is crazy. Everything I've found online indicates that it was first used after the Jonestown massacre and references that event. There is no indication that people used the phrase "drinking the kool-aid" to have this same meaning prior to the Jonestown event, but if you have such evidence, please provide it. --LOSTinDC 12:57, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Undoubtedly a Jonestown reference, I just finished reading all about it, that's where the phrase comes from. I know it's been 32 years, but it's a bit scary that the phrase has been detached from the event! Given it was the single largest loss of life on American soil until 9/11, or so I read. Incidentally, you can actually find the 45 minute audio recording "death note" on the net of them drinking said Kool-Aid. It's very disturbing. --Anthem47 10:54, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • I agree with Charles Kane in that the discussion of the electric kool aid acid test and/or the jonestown massacre should not be included on the page as a reference. The fact that some people are saying it is an obvious reference to LSD and that others are saying it is an obvious reference to Jonestown means it is not obvious. Jdray 13:19, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • It seems that Charles Kane is the only one who is saying that it's an obvious reference to LSD, whereas there are several people who see it as an obvious reference to Jonestown. —   lion of dharma    talk    email   13:32, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Did Cindy Chandler appear in this episode?

In the scene where the MiB is leading his followers towards the beach where he expects to meet Sawyer & Kate, I thought I recognized Cindy marching in the group. A few moments later, when he decides to go back & find out where Sayid is, I thought I heard him tell Cindy, by name, to lead the group while he went back to find Sayid. Or did I let myself see/hear things that weren't there? -- Llywrch 07:31, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

  • If that's the flight attendant, then yes. She was seen, possibly twice. If she blew up, though, which she probably did, then so too did those little kids. -- Clayburn talk contributions email 07:39, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • She is obviously listed as a guest star. Weird question. Marc604 07:40, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Of course she did - we see her 3 or 4 times, particularly when Locke goes to her after talking to Sun and getting all annoyed because Sun (rightly) blamed him for something. He talks to Cindy who, as usual is with both kids and is sort of a surrogate leader of the remaining Others. I did not see her or the kids on the beach when they got hit by the artillery (?) so there is yet again - hope yet.    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   09:43, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Sawyer not knowing Anakin isn't a blooper

Maybe he just hasn't seen the prequels. That may be an in-joke from the writers of the episode that they don't like the prequels. I know that they refer to Vader as Anakin a few times in Jedi, but still... Bassrockindrew 10:39, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

  • Note: as far as i can tell from the Star Wars page on this wiki, the only real specific references to Star Wars Sawyer has used were from A New Hope. He also mentioned "Yoda" and "Jabba", but they're both pretty big icons, and even if he hasn't seen Empire and Jedi he could still reference them. I think its kind of silly to regard him saying "who's anakin" as a continuity error.Bassrockindrew 10:42, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • It was a Sawyer put-down. How could it ever be a blooper? It was written in the script, it contains no error of any sort.    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   10:53, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Well, it would be classified as a continuity error, not a blooper. But I disagree that it's a continuity error. I loved !V-V! when I was a kid, but I never picked up on the fact that Darth Vader's original name was Anakin until watching the (awful) prequels as an adult. So I think we can assume here that Sawyer used good judgement and never watched the prequels, hence his lack of familiarity with the name Anakin. —   lion of dharma    talk    email   11:20, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • I'd like to point out that When Sawyer crashed on the Island only The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones had been released. Revenge of the Sith(2005) was released while Sawyer was back in the 1970's. I don't know what bearing this has on all this, just wanted to point it out.--Pittsburghmuggle 12:22, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • Or maybe in the midst of Sawyer fearing for his life and trying to come up with a plan to escape from a mysterious island wherein he has been time traveling and to save his friends along with him - his first thought wasn't "Star Wars"? I love those movies but I can pretty much say with certainty that if I were in Sawyer's position, it may not be on my mind. NandR
  • I do not think this should be listed as a blooper or a continuity error. Jdray 13:24, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Widmore's Weapon

Pretty sure it was mortars rather than missles.

Unanswered questions discussion

I am removing "Why did Sun recognize Locke at the hospital?" because we know the answer. We know now that FS losties are experiencing "memories" of the OT. While Sun may have seen Locke on the flight this would not lead to this sort of reaction. So, as we know of no other connection that Sun could have with Locke and as we have been led to believe in the OT memories - it could only be that Sun recognizes Locke as being the MiB from the OT - being she is frightened of. So lets not make this more complicated than it is - in this case what seems to be so, must be so and we have a definitive answer. Therefore UQ is not unanswered.    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   12:21, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

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