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I think we should add that the preview had Wonka's boat poem.- JustPhil 14:33, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

• I, for one, would like to know WHY they put it in the preview.--Gibbeynator 19:49, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
  • Because There's no way to know which way we're going...--Pittsburghmuggle 01:55, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
• Yeah, that had to be the absolute worst promo in Lost history. And that's saying something. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
  • I disagree, watch this promo of Outlaws and remind yourself of the episode :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1c_ULZoA8g Phobia27 13:53, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
    • Watched it. It was bad, but its badness was mainly from misdirection (a common flaw with Lost promos). The promo for The Last Recruit, by contrast, was bad from pretty much every perspective imaginable. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
• Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is all about 'candidates' being chosen to become the next Wonka, but eventually they all get picked off one by one and ends up with only one 'candidate' left. Remind you of any other show? ;) Phobia27 13:32, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
• Correct me if i am wrong but i did not hear the willy wonka poem/song anywhere in the episode. Jdray 02:17, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
• The "trippy" trailer was for an episode that aired on 4/20.--Frank J Lapidus 04:50, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Press Release...

... it's here.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  18:34, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

The Last Recruit

Who is it? I'm guessing it will be Jack, as Jack will probably be the hardest to convince to join Locke. After the real John Locke convinced Jack so thoroughly in the goodness of the Island, in the idea of destiny, and in fulfilling his purpose, I can't see Jack throwing away all of that. Considering what he's been through to come to this place in his life, he will probably be the least likely to be recruited. The other best possibility is Hurley, as he seems to trust Jacob pretty thoroughly. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

• Perhaps it's Jin? The Man in Black has everyone he wants in his camp now except Jin, so now he is going to pick up 'his last recruit'. Phobia27 13:29, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
• It's someone whose name ends in "oundelay." In the latest issue of Wired (10.05), there is an interview with Carlton and Damon. In it, they muse about the show's arc and philosophical meanderings--nothing any of us Losties haven't heard already. The opening page of the article shows a photo of Carlton and Damon in their writers' office. Behind them is a whiteboard with all kinds of Lost-related plot notes and other interesting tidbits. On the left side of the whiteboard are a few recent episode names and their respective episode number. Episode 610, "The Package," is shown along with 611; 612, although the number isn't visible but "Everybody Loves Hugo" is. The central character of the next episode, which is already known to be called "The Last Recruit," is "...oundelay." Hmmmmm.... --Oedipus 23:00, April 18, 2010 (UTC)Oedipus
  • That's a spoiler, but from what I've read you're wrong, so it's not a bad spoiler. --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 15:18, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
    • Wow, Oedipus, your knowledge is wonderful! I'll tell all my friends. Marc604 05:56, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

I'm betting it is a character we may not have met as of now. Remember that Jacob wanted Jack and Hurley to turn the lighthouse to 108 degrees. When Hurley tells Jacob that Jack broke the lighthouse mirror, Jacob shrugs and says, "They'll find a way here." I am speculating that 108 is the number of the "Last Rercruit."

Who was the last candidate? Did the episode make it clear? Jdray 02:18, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

• After the epsiode is over, I find it hard to believe that Jack is on the MiB's side. I understand that he kinda saved Jack's life but I certainly don't think his idea to do the way of Jacob is going to go away. --Phryrosebdeco23 04:41, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, centricity...

So, obviously, various. Locke, Sawyer, Claire, Sayid, Jack, Jin & Sun are definite centrics... but should we also include those others who appeared (Ben, Kate, Miles, Desmond, Ilana)? My guess is no, because there weren't any flashes from their POV...(Kdc2 02:03, April 21, 2010 (UTC))

• Agreed, various with Locke, Sawyer, Claire, Sayid, Jack, Jin & Sun. --LeoChris 02:10, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Best show ever in the history of the universe, I don't think anything will compete with it in our lifetime. Fastest hour in my life. That being said...no centricity Annarboral 02:26, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

• No centricity, or various if you will, a bunch of Losties for the flash-sideways. Felt like a mini-finale. Phobia27 02:27, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • No centricity is much different from various... and it was the latter. (Kdc2 02:32, April 21, 2010 (UTC))
    • Various then. Phobia27 02:47, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
• Various. Specifically: Jack, Sawyer, Locke, Sayid, Jin, Sun, Claire.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  02:58, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

I would say, Jack - all situations are related to him and happen arround him. and specifically the end. clearly, it is his story. --V-vk 03:29, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Jack has nothing to do with Sayid, Sawyer or Kate in this episode. Plus, some segments of the flashsideways were clearly from their point of views. --LeoChris 03:33, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

• I'd say no to it being a centric for others apart from Ilana, considering her presence in more than one character's POV, sort of like the Jacob centric The Incident. 01lander 03:53, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
• I'd say for centricity: Jack, Locke, Claire, Sun, Sawyer and Sayid. I'm not sure about Jin, since the flash was from Sun's POV, but Jin was also there the whole flash. --NK-Metaltalkcontributions 05:38, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
• I'd say leave Jin, it was mainly Sun/Jin throughout, unlike Illana, Kate's appearences. Buffyfan123 06:16, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Christian/Locke/Smokey

Previously, it was stated that Smokey was trapped in Locke's form, however it's now been revealed that he was Christian as well. Why wasn't he trapped as Christian, and how could he assume both Christian and Locke's forms simultaneously (5x9,5x12) ? Should these go under unanswered questions? -- Xbenlinusx 03:03, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

• MiB also assumed both Alex and Locke's likenesses over a short period of time. I'm pretty sure TPTB have said that him being stuck in Locke's form has to do with Jacob's death. --LeoChris 03:09, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
• There is no guarantee that MiB is telling the truth when he claims he appeared to Jack as Christian; remember he is a known liar when it suits his purposes.MarkFunk 03:11, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
• Ilana said MIB is now trapped as Locke because Jacob is dead.Annarboral 03:26, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Can't believe it took so long for someone to mention this, but yes, Annarboral is right. Marc604 06:03, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
• So it was Christian the whisper appearing to Michael on the freighter right, MIB cant travel over water. Buffyfan123 06:17, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • It seems so, but we don't know it ironclad yet.--Pittsburghmuggle 06:27, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • None of this is addressing the fact that he assumed 2 forms at the exact same time. -- Xbenlinusx 06:44, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • If you're referring to him being Locke and Alex, that was before Jacob was killed and also Locke went to "go find some rope" before the smoke showed up and later manifested as Alex. If you mean when he was Christian in the barracks with Lapidus and Sun and Locke outside, I'm pretty sure Ben wasn't with Locke, but Locke came out of the jungle after Christian disappeared. As for being on the Kahana, we don't know his travel limitations yet. -- Clayburn talk contributions email 07:08, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
      • No I'm not. At the exact time he was Christian in New Otherton, he was also John Locke over on the Hydra Island while the crash victims were wondering who he was. -- Xbenlinusx 07:32, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
        • We can't be certain it was the exact same time, as they occurred in two separate locations. [1] I guess, though, this would mean that he can travel to and from Hydra if he wanted to, without a boat. -- Clayburn talk contributions email 08:08, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
• What about the time Christian was seen inside Jacobs cabin? It was surrounded by a ring of ash which we know keeps the smoke monster in or out. How could Christian be trapped inside the cabin while the smoke monster if roaming the island if they're supposed to be the same person? --KeithM999 08:58, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Desmond Dead

I don't think Sayid shot Desmond, I think after the talk the two of them had. I don't want to think that Sayid is all evil now, I have some hope after that scene that he isn't totally evil. Lying is a given on LOST, it just matters who is lying when. I think Sayid lied about killing Desmond.--Phryrosebdeco23 04:47, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

• Good guess. Marc604 06:03, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
• We are close enough to the end of the series where if someone was going to die, we'd see it. There's no hope for next season - or even more than four episodes in the future now.--Pittsburghmuggle 06:29, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
• Point of the ep seems to be that the whole sickness thing is a construct of Nemesis' twisted mind. That the infection is belief in obfuscation. That truth and love may rescue us in the end. So Sayid and Claire can still be saved.    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   07:12, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Image

This episode had various centrics, and also if anyone was the "star", it would be Jack. It was all about his decision to stay on The Island, and he was in a lot of the Flash-Sideways scenes. -- Clayburn talk contributions email 06:38, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

• I'll just make a sentimental mention for Sun & Jin's reunion, though the caps at Eastereggs make it between one of them, or both looking at Zoe apprehensively. [[2]]

That said, I agree it's Jack. Found 2 decent closeup caps - Jack picked last for kickball [[3]] and "I have a sister" [[4]] (meh).

• • I feel like since it's a multi-centric episode, we shouldn't really have a close up on any one person. Even if it only shows one person, at least don't do a closeup, so we know the focus isn't only them. Ya know? -- Clayburn talk contributions email 07:43, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • Well, then it has to be 'Jack flying through the air', or Sayid tripping over the hose. There's just no ensemble pic I can find. Maybe this 'action' shot - [[5]]? Duncan905 08:24, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
      • I love the image of Jack blown up. -- Clayburn talk contributions email 09:00, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Blooper?

or how do they sail without sails?

sailing without sails

the current?Bassrockindrew 06:47, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

• The Elizabeth has a motor & prop. The noise is audible, though faint. Recall the Others taking her at night from the Pala dock? Duncan905 07:09, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • yes, you are right, the noice from the motor is audible. and Sawyer is not a great sailor too. --V-vk 07:47, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Cultural References

• "Drinking the Kool-Aid": Sawyer tells Kate that Claire can't come with them because she "drank Locke's Kool-Aid." This is a reference to the Jonestown cult mass suicide of 1978, when over 900 followers of cult leader Jim Jones committed suicide via cyanide at their Guyana camp. It is believed that Jones had cups of Flavor Aid or Kool-Aid (both were present at the camp) poisoned with cyanide to kill his followers. (History)
  • This isn't mine, but not sure how this can honestly be pulled. Kool-Aid's a brand name for one, and there's no acknowledging that reference without the context of "drinking". I say reinstate. Duncan905 07:13, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
• I pulled it. Not only is there no direct reference to the Jonestown madness but that is not even the obvious reference made famous by Ken Kesey et al. Its just sort of a sideways reference to LSD which has got into the language as meaning a drink that will make you believe things which aren't true. Edit: meaning something which will make you believe "crazy" things.    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   07:16, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • I found this reference to be very obvious, and agree with it. -- Xbenlinusx 07:35, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  • Sorry to disagree CharlesKane, but Jonestown is exactly the reference being made, not the Electric Kool Aid Acid Test, since it's "Locke's Kool-Aid." It's completely about a group blindly following a charismatic & suspect leader. Obvious? That's a face-value reference, and a grim foreshadowing/warning. Duncan905 07:36, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
• Can't it just be a reference to Kool-Aid and the popular saying "drinking from the something or other Kool-Aid"? After all, I don't think Sawyer was referencing LSD or the Jones suicides. He was just using a common phrase. Its origin would merely be a side note. -- Clayburn talk contributions email 07:41, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Did Cindy Chandler appear in this episode?

In the scene where the MiB is leading his followers towards the beach where he expects to meet Sawyer & Kate, I thought I recognized Cindy marching in the group. A few moments later, when he decides to go back & find out where Sayid is, I thought I heard him tell Cindy, by name, to lead the group while he went back to find Sayid. Or did I let myself see/hear things that weren't there? -- Llywrch 07:31, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

• If that's the flight attendant, then yes. She was seen, possibly twice. If she blew up, though, which she probably did, then so too did those little kids. -- Clayburn talk contributions email 07:39, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
• She is obviously listed as a guest star. Weird question. Marc604 07:40, April 21, 2010 (UTC)