Talk: The Glass Ballerina

So does this mean we don't find out what happens to Locke and the gang until the THIRD episode??? Loki 17:51, 26 September 2006 (PDT)

"This episode replaces "Further Instructions" which moves to Oct. 18." [1] --SilvaStorm

Gasp![]

Sun's gonna get shot by Mr. Friendly. It was in the previews after ATOTC aired. Did anyone else see it? --Mighty Rearranger 15:05, 5 October 2006 (PDT)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rmYPoUChJus -fontgangsta

AT. She was shot AT by Mr Friendly.

I realize that now that the episode has aired, but it still looked like the first shot hit her in the stomach...--Mighty Rearranger 12:31, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

What amazes me is that the others are so predisposed to rely on force to get what they want rather than using other methods of interaction with the crash survivors. Yet for all their capability to use force. they haven't picked off the crash survivors they don't want to deal with, which would clear the way for opening discussions with the "Good People" that they are interested in. ASEO out —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ASEO (talk • contribs) .

Promotional Photos[]

ABC Medianet: [2] Lost-Media: [3] ODK Talk Sandbox 08:13, 6 October 2006 (PDT)

The Offer[]

anyone have any thoughts about this: "Henry makes a very tempting offer to Jack that may prove difficult to refuse." Maybe he wants Jack to impregnate Alex (or a different female other), since the others are all about the babies, in exchange for letting kate and sawyer go or something??? -fontgangsta

It could be that the others are steril. Thus without new people, their colony will die off...the question then becomes: "Why don't they want their colony to die off?" ASEO out —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ASEO (talk • contribs) .

I think the idea of requesting that an under-18 person (minor) be impregnated would cause the wrong kind of stir... —X S G 20:40, 11 October 2006 (PDT)

"The offer" is simply an offer: for Jack's cooperation and "change of perspective", Ben will take him home. We saw that Jack was very stirred by the Red Sox footage, longing to get back to normalcy, hence the "difficult to refuse" bit. Joelvanatta 06:10, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

He needs Jack's medical skills, maybe under the threat of harming one of Jack's friends if he doesn't help. ASEO out —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ASEO (talk • contribs) .

Food for thought: why does Ben say (twice, I believe) that he will "take" Jack home? Since Ben claims he has been on the island his whole life, this will be his first trip off of it. Something must be preventing him from leaving before Jack assists him. Neven 08:02, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

Yet he says he "sent" Michael and Walt "home". Why the difference. ASEO out —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ASEO (talk • contribs) .

Henry?[]

Shouldn't we all be referring to him as Ben now? --Amberjet11 07:39, 9 October 2006 (PDT)

They've taken to calling him "Benry" on the forums now. LOL. I just copied that from the episode synopsis. I guess they kept it Henry because that blurb was available before his real name was revealed on the show. -fontgangsta

Benry, Fenry or Ben suffice :-) -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 04:37, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

The first time I heard "Benry" was from my roommate, and she doesn't go online! :-) --Amberjet11 09:32, 31 October 2006 (PST)

8:00 PM broadcast on CTV[]

Why can't we edit the article yet? CTV Toronto has already aired the episode. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nick2010 (talk • contribs) .

I guess they probably don't want us to spoil it for the Americans that had to wait an extra hour (or the west coaster's that had to wait 3-4 hours) --Maelwys 18:56, 11 October 2006 (PDT)

Or maybe because there are no sysops on now to unlock the page! --Marik7772003 19:26, 11 October 2006 (PDT)

In this vein, I'd like to nominate Santa as a SysOp. He's always on, it seems, and always eager to make this a better place... —X S G 19:54, 11 October 2006 (PDT)

I'd really like to them unlock it so I can spill my synopsis... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by dreamingpup (talk • contribs) .

They haven't been on all day. Jabberwock is on vacation and plktrn and nickb123 are in england. geoh's been gone, and admin isn't on too much. --Marik7772003 19:30, 11 October 2006 (PDT)

I just unlocked it - sorry for the delay, but I didn't want to go online until I watched the TiVo recording... edit away! --Jajasoon 20:02, 11 October 2006 (PDT)

OMG![]

THAT WAS AMAZING THE OTHERS HAVE CONTACT WITH THE OUTSIDE WORLD! BEN SHOWED JACK THE BOSTON WORD SERIES WIN...! WOW!- BBALLUVRQ

That clip. I watch the game probably 10 times something about that clip makes me uneasy. I wish they wouldn't showed the reflection. I am checking up to make sure that is the right wording and everything.--Captain Insano

One way or another, they are certainly up on current events. Whether or not the clip is quite right (and if it isn't, there's no guarantee it's a clue as opposed to a production/licensing issue), there's little possibility that the Others do not have some sort of contact with the outside world. -Paulbee —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paulbee (talk • contribs) .

This was already implied by the book club. (Try finding six copies of any given book in a small-town library). Add the fact that they have access to enough variety that they can comment on a person's choice, and it adds up to access to a large collection (or more likely ability to purchase). AnyGould 11:03, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

Hm, i know this is irrelavent, but your logic seems faulty as Carrie's been around for quite a while now. They obviously had contact with the outside world in some form in recent years, but that doesn't mean that they do now. Even though now we know that they do.--NotARedHerring 17:15, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

It strikes me that it's possible that the Others simply have satellite TV. They haven't demonstrated anything other than passive communication with the outside world?--Yashin 09:02, 13 October 2006 (PDT)

In the show Joe Buck's dialogue is different from in real life.

Show Dialogue= (Ben turns on tevelvision) "...back to Foulke... Red Sox fans have longed to hear it! The Boston Red Sox are world Champions! Uncanning sweep for the St. Louis Cardinals, and the Red Sox celebrate in the middle of the diamond here at Bish Stadium." (Ben turns off television)

Real Life Dialogue= "...back to Foulke... Red Sox fans have longed to hear it! The Boston Red Sox are World Champions! It has been 86 years, generations have come and gone, and for the first time since 1918 the Boston Red Sox are champions of baseball! Uncanning sweep for the St. Louis Cardinals, and the Red Sox celebrate in the middle of the diamond here at Bish Stadium." --Captain Insano 12:37, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

It is possible that this isn't the exact clip from the broadcast, but rather, a clip from a newscast covering the events that used actual dialouge from the broadcast but not all of it. ESPN does this quite often. Willo 06:27, 13 October 2006 (PDT)

Use of the Red Sox World Series win shouldn't be surprising for a few reasons, although it is always cool to see again as a Sox fan. First, it is one of the most notable events to have occurred in the outside world during Lost time, i.e. since the crash. It is also more of a surprise than the other two that Henry mentioned -- Bush's reelection and Christopher Reeve's death -- and allows the writers to dramatically address Jack's skepticism. Finally, it ties back nicely to the prior reference to the Sox in Season 1, where Jack's father was convinced fate prevented the Sox from ever winning. Lostinspace 8:19 pm, 12 October 2006 (EDT)

Juliet's canteen.[]

The canteen Juliet threw to Sawyer looked like the same one Ethan had in Maternity Leave. [[4]] --Fezir 08:42, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

What was the Logo on it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ASEO (talk • contribs) .

Looked like the same exact logo. --Fezir 10:57, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

I made a tweak to the FAQ entry on this item. Juliet takes a drink of the canteen before throwing it to Sawyer, it is unlikely that it was drugged. - Proto

Maybe she took an antidote first. 1.618033989 16:36, 14 October 2006 (PDT)
It's not drugged. Saywer was just being Saywer...a prick.--ASEO 06:43, 16 October 2006 (PDT)

Lost and Found[]

During the commercial time, there is an advert saying that if you are an American Express Card holder, you can access Lost and Found at ABC's website. That sucks for people who don't own this credit card... -- Chatake 09:07, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

No it doesn't it is just random clips from the episode.--Captain Insano

Not the best episode[]

I found this episode flat. Maybe the previews gave too much away or something, but this episode just seemed predictable. Sayid seemed out of character with his poor ambush strategy. I don't know, there was just something that didn't carry with me in this one.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by ASEO (talk • contribs) .

when Sayid was "lying" i suspeceted that he may have been "compromised". He's by far my favorite, but i agree something was off. What sort of experieince did he have on his circumnavigation of the island during season 1? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fournstar (talk • contribs) .

I don't follow the "compromised" That would mean that he thought the others were listining to him and thus lying to keep them from knowing his plans. Also, I don't think he made it all the way around the isle in season 1. Just to the French chicks (I'd misspell her name if I tried) hide out, then back to the crash site.

I would really like to see the island top view map with locations marked on it. ASEO out —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ASEO (talk • contribs) .

I personally thought that this was arguably one of the best episodes since the beginning of Season 2. It tied up a lot of loose ends regarding Sun and Jin, while leaving us with plenty to think about for the next two weeks (because this story will not be revisited until Every Man For Himself). It revealed some details about the others' heirarchy and the possible relationships within them. So excuse me if I go back and watch it again :) --Mighty Rearranger 12:31, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

I just thought the flashback was predictable, and Sayid's horrible plan out of character. The only thing that caught me off guard was that Sawyer kissed Kate to provoke the others in order to test their response...and that Kate realized what he was doing. That they discuss it in the open better be part of a long term plan that Sawyer has, because they have to know that they are being watched at all times. They make Kate work in a flimsy dress…come on. The others hierarchy seemed pretty clear from the previous episode. I'm glad Sun wasn't too scared to shoot though. But I bet that this just sets up Jack to have to operate on the chick Sun shot. I don't know. This episode just didn't do it for me; the first time for this show. ASEO out--ASEO 06:18, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

Didn't the Others have their own surgeons who were set to perform the cesaerian on Claire in the Staff?--Yashin 09:15, 13 October 2006 (PDT)

Oversold Airtime![]

I thought the episode was great, but the constant... commercial... interruption... broke my heart. Was this one of the mobisodes I've been hearing about? I think there were maybe 6 minutes of show to 54 minutes of advertising! If they keep that up, It might be worth it to me to patiently wait the year for the dvd's to come out. Beardog4314 10:52, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

Right there with you on the breaks. I DVRed it and started watching at 8:45 and was done watching (having skipped all the commercials, by like 9:20. Or maybe I wasn't counting the whole recap "Previously on Lost" part and the previews for next week. ASEO out --ASEO 06:45, 16 October 2006 (PDT)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by ASEO (talk • contribs) .

That simply isn't true. The episode was 42-43 minutes long without commercials. People made the same complaints about Every Man for Himself, and it was also the same length, exactly the length an hourlong TV show should be. --Minderbinder 12:10, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

My bad, I was apparently 7 minutes off in my aproximation of the time of the actual show. Maybe it was the placement of the commercials that made it seem like there were a lot more. ASEO out

They started having ads during the podcasts too.--Captain Insano 13:13, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

It seems like they might be tossing extra ads in, and then having the episode go long to make up for it. --Myk 23:41, 15 October 2006 (PDT)

Should I create a page...[]

...for the rock quarry/field? It seems that if we have one for the cages, this area deserves a detailed article as well.--Mighty Rearranger 12:31, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

Yes. What are they doing there? Are they clearing ground, or digging something up? ASEO out--ASEO 12:57, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

I reckon this comes back to the previously expressed theory of crime and punishment. Sawyer and Kate, the real-world convicts, are being held in cages, marched to a workcamp and given chain-gang duties, the island equivalent of a state penitentiary. Clearly there is the usual Lost 'social experimentation' theme lurking in the background through Ben's monitors.--Yashin 09:11, 13 October 2006 (PDT)

If Sun killed Jae[]

The theory that Sun killed Jae definitely belongs in the article, as it's just as plausible as many of the other theories (I was one of the first who put it in here, last night, so i'm biased,) but I have some speculation that i'd like to bring up here, as speculation doesn't belong in the article. IF Sun killed Jae, CONSIDERING that Colleen said that Sun isn't a killer, THEN it is implied that The Others are not omniscient. Something to consider, in my opinion.--NotARedHerring 13:27, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

This episode may have clearly proven that Sun is a generally dishonest player (or, simply AS dishonest as most of the other islanders, whereas we may have placed her in a highly "innocent / honest" category for the first two seasons.) HOWEVER, her seemingly very very GENUINE grieving at Jae's funeral would not coincide with somebody who had recently killed him or pushed him to his death in some sort of struggle. I'm not saying it's 100% impossible, It just doesn't seem feasible with the information we've been given. --Frankie Viturello

However, we know for a fact that she is a liar, and that she seems proficient at decieving at least Jin. She may be able to fake sorrow just as well. It may also-and i think this is more likely-have been genuine grief that he had to die to protect her marriage/life/husband.--NotARedHerring 17:11, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

Why would she be feel the need to fake the sorrow when viewing the funeral from afar? Because she knew her father would show up? This would imply that she was aware that Jae's father worked with her father. We've been shown how unsatisfied she was with her husband associating with her father. Furthermore, if she were privy to the inner workings of her fathers' business dealings, she would have known that Jae was on a hit list and warned him. I believe this demonstrates that she's either quite good, or quite evil.--Roj Villapardo

Of course she was aware that her father worked with his father. I mean... How couldn't she be? When he says that, it's just clarification, not a shocker to her. Remember when they got set up together in season 2? Because they were both children of prominent people?--NotARedHerring 13:28, 13 October 2006 (PDT)

the fact is worth inclusion in some way, because adds her to the 'list of killers' in a way- it gives her flashback baggage to the same degree as the rest of the 'not good people' losties. --k a i n i. 19:21, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

XSG, why is this theory being removed? It's no more unsubstantiated than the theory that Ben is Juliet's son. Or in the A Tale of Two Cities article, the theory that Hydra has thought pattern related powers, or that Joop was ever on the island.--NotARedHerring 19:09, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

XSG seems to be removing any theory he doesn't agree with lately. Plus throwing in comments calling people who suggest such things, Retards and Jackasses. Very unprofessional.--ASEO 06:47, 16 October 2006 (PDT)
I'm also perplexed as to why the theory that another hitman killed him is still standing on the page, when it has just as little evidence to support it.--Mighty Rearranger 19:12, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

Look, I think that it's important for theories to remain "neutral" as directed by the terms of posting theories. A good way to do so is if you have a singular theory, to list that theory (whatever it may be) as its own bullet point instead of point/counterpoint double bullet point to other people's unrelated theories. For example, if you think that Sun killed Jae, don't post it as a double bullet point trying to "disprove" somebody else's murder theory ie -

Another "Paik Hitman" threw Jae out the window
- This is not true because Sun is clearly the killer because that's the theory that I believe.

Things like time/space/numeric/etc. inconsistencies being corrected as double bullet points are fine...But unique theories that disagree with others should be their own bullet points...no need to attempt to aggressively disprove other peoples theories and supplant your own unless you have CRYSTAL CLEAR EVIDENCE to the contrary. Cause, we're all just guessing at the end of the day. Thank you namaste and good luck. --Frankie Viturello

From what I remember, no one did that. It's nto so big a deal as to go into the history and find out. Sun having killed jae ought to be listed as a secondary bullet to "Jae did not kill himself", just as "Paik sent another hitman" should.--NotARedHerring 09:13, 13 October 2006 (PDT)

But it did happen. Here's what I pulled from history. (My earlier example was obviously satirical in comparison.)

- Mr. Paik may have sent a "backup" enforcer to finish the job of killing Jae if Jin did not deliver.
  - This is doubtful. Jae was holding the pearl necklace he was going to give to Sun, which only he knew about. A murderer, other than her, would not have known to put it in his hand symbolically.

The use of the phrase "this is doubtful" seemed inappropriate as a counterpoint bullet, and the rest of the information seemed to make factual statements that aren't grounded/revealed as fact. The CURRENT organization and listing of theories for "The Glass Ballerina" is perfect! No worries. --Frankie Viturello

Iraqi[]

Why does Colleen call Sayid the Iraqi? Do they not know his name? It would sort of make sense though. I'm thinking Ethan made his list while Sayid was with Danille.--Captain Insano 14:50, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

I guess she was just being cynical. ODK Talk Sandbox 17:16, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

Perhaps The Others while visibly ethnically diverse, have something against the Middle East / Middle-Easterners? All of the high ranking members of The Others that we've encountered are caucasian, and the "utopian" style layout of Otherville is very British Colonial. --Frankie Viturello

Maybe the writers felt that if Colleen used Sayid's name that there would be endless speculation that there is some kind of yet to be seen connection between Sayid and the Others. I think calling him "the Iraqi" is way for the writers to convey that they know he is but they are not overly familiar with him. --scocub

Or it could show that she has some sort of connection to him and is bitter about it, and thinks of him through that bitterness as "The Iraqi"--NotARedHerring 09:11, 13 October 2006 (PDT)

She may not personally know the names of all the survivors. I know that I'm bad with names, maybe she is as well.--ASEO 06:50, 16 October 2006 (PDT)
Well, Kelvin was military. Ben referred to "getting a team together". The boat capture was done with some precision. Maybe Colleen served in Desert Storm as well? Would have her lean towards referring Sayid as such. --GunsmithCat 13:29, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

Two theory sections?[]

One for flashbacks and one for "present day"? I don't like it. I'm returning it to a single section with subsections. What do the rest of you think? —X S G 19:00, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

absolutely. --k a i n i. 19:18, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

good idea, the subsections look good --Dagg 21:14, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

template:flashback[]

i've altered the first paragraph of the synopsis, in order to judge how people feel about this template. personally i think it's useful - it clarifies things, and is applicable to every plot synopsis so far without that much effort. comments? --k a i n i. 21:35, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

Not a fan. In this format, it takes too much vertical space. Inline, it might be better. Also, there's not separation between flashback and present day... where does one stop and the other begin?

flashback is right-indented, present day is not. --k a i n i. 13:04, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

I did this sort of thing when I wrote the Synopsis for the second-to-last episode of Season Two... I like mine better, and I think that if mine could be template-ized, it would be ideal... —X S G 23:54, 13 October 2006 (PDT)

I like the chronological synopsis much better than the flashback and real time split out format.--ASEO 13:21, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

Synopsis[]

Were there two versions of this episode, or is the synopsis messed up? I known in the Boston airing, and as well on the copy of the episode that I downloaded, Kate and Sawyer's conversation comes before Benry and Jack, and the show ends on Jack thinking about Benry's offer.--BrightStars1212 06:19, 13 October 2006 (PDT)

It's a good point as in the trailer for that episode on ABC's website, just before Sawyer presses the "food Button" that electricutes him, he states "Why should I listen to you, Carl", or some thing to that effect. Anyway, he shouldn't know Carl's name as yet as in the actual episode Carl ignores him when Sawyer first trys to talk to him, the sentence is cut off so he says "Why should I listen you". Maybe the original episode structure changed mid production due to some inspirational idea the creators cam up with "mid cut"?!?

I think thats just a stylistic choice of given the synopsis.. when you think about it though, in broader terms, we dont know that Jack and Kate/Sawyer's experience are happening at the same time.. Jack might have been drugged for a month and his stuff takes place long after Kate and Sawyer have given them the info they require...

Personally i dont think so, mainly coz we have had lots of possible issues with the chronology of Lost.. but none have panned out to be anything other than liner. --MRNasher

It seems to me that Mr. Friendly and Juliet have been popping up a lot in the three different timelines (kate, jack, sayid). Wouldn't it be helpful to put together a rudimentary timeline and post it on here somewhere? --Roj Villapardo

I believe that a Synopsis should be written in the sequence of the episode, not altered stylistically to fit some unknown timeline. If someone were to reorganize the timeline to fit this criteria, I'd applaud their efforts... —X S G 00:00, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

I totally agree. This way it's just more confusing! The synopsis should be in the same order as the scenes are shown in the episode - everything else is simply too complicated and dazzling... "The episode ends with Ben looking at a bank of monitors..." - that's just wrong! The episode ends with Jack watching the TV screen, no matter what MAY have happened first. --Filmversteher

Black smoke monster[]

Did anyone else notice that while Ben pauses during his talk with Jack you can here a noise much like that of the Smoke monster? --Tory Anarchist

Archaeological Dig?[]

It seems that the enforced work Kate and Sawyer are doing is an archaeological dig. It's not like a prison camp or chain gang just breaking rocks... The land is marked out by cord into quadrants, there are people doing geological surveyance (there's a theodolite in one shot) and Juliet is over at a table with what seems to be a map of the area.

It's the most unsubtle, unscientific archaeological dig I've ever seen, but for TV purposes, I wouldn't neccessarily rule out the fact that this is intended to be a an archeological dig site.

The presence of a theolodlite is more likely to signify a civil engineering works than a geological survey. Geological surveys tend to focus on either exposed, in-situ rock formation or use non-intrusive techniques to study the subsurface. It seems unlikely that the Others have access to seismic or magnetic survey equipment, but they would have more joy studying the exposed formations on the island and extrapolating the results than digging for access to subsurface formations.--Yashin 02:03, 16 October 2006 (PDT)

The Others are clearly looking for something but what?

This all ties in with comments that Damon and Carlton made a while ago in previous podcasts and interviews that this season would delve further back into the history/archaeology of the Island pre-DHARMA and is probably tied in with the ruins of the Statue...

Maybe the island is the Lost Continent of Lemuria (aka Mu) after all? Jensen over at EW said that we should be reading up on a number of things for S3 and he included the band "The KLF", who were also known as "The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu"...

--Radharc 10:34, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

The KLF were whacked. They were also known as The Timelords, with such classic songs as "What Time is Love?" and "Doctorin' the Tardis", the latter featuring sounds from the '70's teevee show, "Dr. Who". —X S G 11:29, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

the klf were very into discordianism as well, which is a nice tie-in with 23. chill out is one of the greatest ambient albums ever made. top band --k a i n i. 12:59, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

Separating flashbacks from present day events in Synopsis[]

No. No, no, no, no, no, no, NO! This is wrong. This is awful. We need to not do things this way. Whoever did this, I'll track you down and we need to have a little chat, which I'll do before we straighten this out because I don't want to just undo your hard work... —X S G 11:31, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

~~that would be me. just an idea which i wanted to test the waters with on this synopsis, really...~~ --k a i n i. 13:00, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

oh, wait, i just looked at the article. you mean as in completely separate. that wasn't me, and i don't like it one bit either. --k a i n i. 13:04, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

The way it is now is horrible, very confusing and doesn't give you an idea of how the episode happened. I like having a header for when flashbacks start, but they shouldn't be all clumped together - keep the episode in order. --Minderbinder 06:10, 16 October 2006 (PDT)

I actually like it like that. Easier to see what's what. I wish all the synopsis were like that. --Crystal Skull 13:17, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

I prefer it too --Nickb123 (Talk) 13:22, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

I like it in concept, but the way its done here doesn't sufficiently describe the episode itself.--NotARedHerring 15:59, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

I think it does make things easier to follow, but I think we need to have a larger consensus before such a large change is made to all the episodes --NSHS07 (talk) 16:12, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

Ridiculous Theories[]

Karl has a Red Sox video on his person when he crashes on the island and the others torture it out of him....are you serious??? I thought this was a forum for intelligent discussion. Can we delete this?

Agreed, But please have the coconuts to sign posts like this.--ASEO 06:57, 16 October 2006 (PDT)

Jae's snubbed American lover?[]

Does anybody think there's a possibility that the "American" that Jae traveled to America to be with ... that subsequently didn't work out could have traveled to Korea to exact some sort of revenge? It would be even more plausable if it was a woman involved in the Hanso/Dharma hubbub, or even AN OTHER...there are more than a few women in that camp. --Frankie Viturello

What does Sun Know[]

I wonder if Sun knows that when Jae fell, he hit Jin's car..."Honey, what happened to the car?" ...meaning that she knows that Jin was at Jae's place. I would think there would be a police report done. Maybe Sun's father got Jin out of the incident.--ASEO 11:56, 16 October 2006 (PDT)

I had thought that the car he drove was probably a company car that Mr. Paik gave Jin to use while he "worked." It was pretty basic looking and non-descript. I don't doubt that Mr. Paik did some sort of clean up with the police about it, though. -- Dreamy Perfection 19:04, 16 October 2006 (PDT)

Theory Sections are getting out of control![]

Seriously, theory people, please read the link to Lostpedia's policies on theory inclusion in canon pages. Lostpedia is not a replacement for a forum, where people go back and forth debating and giving counterarguments to every point, the pages are getting enormously long, when the theory section alone takes up 80% of the page, and most are far-fetched theories with no factual support and only baseless speculation. If a theory has no support, delete it. If it has support, but is controversial, give one counterargument, and leave it at that, don't go back and forth in a 10 point exchange. That sort of thing is what the discussion page is for (which the people above correctly use). I guess I'm preaching to the choir here, because the worst offenders are the ones who don't use the discussion pages, and may not know they exist :P --Pandora X 19:20, 16 October 2006 (PDT)

I can't agree more. In fact, one of my first "issues" as a new user was how fast and loose the theory sections were being used, and how defensive/aggressive/abusive the debate style responses were/are becoming. They seem to be more of a contest between users to prove each other wrong, or eliminate each others theories when they don't fit into their own personal "theory cannon". Okay...you THINK that Hurley threw Jae out the window...there's no need to use that as a defensive counterpoint to every other Jae death theory. -- Frankie Viturello

I now think that Eddie the Cop is Jae's killer! As well as his American lover and Him. Thank you, thank you very much.--NotARedHerring 00:21, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

LOL, wow, how could I have missed that - makes perfect sense!!!! Seriously. -- Frankie Viturello

I've restored this theory because in the episode when talking about the sailboat Colleen says "They could find us"

According to Colleen the sailboat may allow the losties to find the others, which is why they take control of it. This implies that the Others camp is not accessable by land.

- Backdooruk 06:23, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

James[]

Kate has known for a long time that "Sawyer" is a pseudonym. (Is she the only one who saw the letter?) So why was she surprised when Juliet called him James? —Tamfang 00:33, 7 February 2008 (PST)

Main image discussion[]

Since a discussion was asked for, then here we are. The previous main image presented Sayid, Jin and Sun (right), and I thought, since the episode centered only around Sun and Jin, the picture should depict them, a la the rest of the episode articles on this wiki. So, which image do you like better? ODK Talk Sandbox 17:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree that to be consistent, the main image should be of just Jin and Sun, but... is that really the best image of them from that episode?? Sun having morning sickness in the boat's bathroom?! If it's a choice between just these two images, I'd vote for the older one, simply because it looks a lot better! --Celebok 18:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

If you can find a better picture of just Jin and Sun, then I'd be open to changing it, but I agree with Celebok, this isn't a particularly good one. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 19:19, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

- That's the only one that shows both of them, with their faces visible. ODK Talk Sandbox 19:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Edit: How's this one? Kind of reflects the theme of the episode, showing a new side of Sun, which is one full of lies.

- - It's definitely better than the morning sickness one, but I think for me it's a toss up between it and the boat picture. Obviously it'd be nice if Jin were in it a bit more. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 22:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

It's a decent picture. I don't know what the agreed-upon consensus is for picking episode images, but I personally prefer pictures that clearly show which episode they represent. Option #3 doesn't really do that, it pretty much could be from any of their flashbacks. The boat picture, on the other hand, much more obviously represents this episode. So I guess it depends on which is more important -- not having Sayid in it, or identifying the episode. Of course, the morning sickness image does both, but still, it just doesn't look good! --Celebok 23:32, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Boat pic unless a better pic of sun/jin is found. -- B1G CZYGS Talk Contribs 04:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

How about one of these two? We need a new image bad, one with no Sayid. (Kdc2 06:23, March 30, 2010 (UTC))

You taste like strawberries...[]

Does that really count as a cultural reference? We never otherwise note indirect references. Drew Goddard may have written for Buffy, but did he write that line? Also, the two scene's contexts were completely different. In Buffy a drug dealer said the line after raping a character. Also, some people just really do taste like strawberries. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 20:21, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

I've never watched Buffy, so I didn't know how much of a reference it was. It's a questionable reference that's for sure.--Baker1000 23:19, September 17, 2010 (UTC)