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*Christian said they all created it in order to be together again. Well, how did they all create it when they never talked about it or even thought about it? [[User:Bellac230|Bellac230]] 06:35, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
*Christian said they all created it in order to be together again. Well, how did they all create it when they never talked about it or even thought about it? [[User:Bellac230|Bellac230]] 06:35, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
*Because two thing in common brought them together: the relationships they developed and their deepest desires. [[User:Uzerzero|Uzerzero]] 06:41, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
*Because two thing in common brought them together: the relationships they developed and their deepest desires. [[User:Uzerzero|Uzerzero]] 06:41, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
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==Final Moments==
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Just as a note... I loved how Jack wasn't alone when he died. I was actually thinking about how horrible it would be to die alone as he trekked through the bamboos, and how ironic it would be that he defied his own catchphrase, or the second half at least... but then came good ol' Vincent, who lay beside him as he passed.
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It's also fitting that these were the first two characters we saw in the show - Jack and Vincent - who would be the last two. [[User:The S|The S]] 06:45, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

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Here We Go

Ladies and gentlemen, the end of our beloved show has come.

First order of business: We should use a bit different wording than "121.5" to represent the fact that the episode is 2.5 hours long. ShadowUltra 03:03, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

And I have to work that Sunday evening.--Pittsburghmuggle 06:51, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
I agree, it's a little awkward to refer to it as "121.5". Plus, the DVD apparently will have an additional 20 minutes of deleted footage added back in. So that is around three blocks of 40 minute episodes on the DVD version. We may as well refer to it as hour #122. And just to say, why is the season nav stating this as just "#17"? We decided to split all the other finales and double episodes up on the nav at the start of this season, even episodes like "Live Together, Die Alone" which were titled as just LTDA by ABC, with no "part 1" or "part 2" added to the end. We have constantly been told that this season will contain 18 "episodes" (hours = episodes) and now we refer to it as just episode 17? I'm not sure how ABC had named the episode yet, but shouldn't we try to be consistent here?--Baker1000 19:37, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
I think the 20 extra minutes makes it clear they filmed three episodes worth of content, so for simplicity's sake let's count it as three. And I'm assuming the extra 20 minutes will be canon, since they'll be worked back into the finale instead of set aside as "deleted scenes". --Golden Monkey 19:43, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
Reply They filmed two episodes worth of content. They couldn't cut it down to two episodes worth of airtime (~85 minutes) so they asked ABC for an extension. cgmv123TalkContribsE-mail 00:30, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
I think its clear they filmed three episodes worth of content, early on they were able to get an extra hour from ABC (S6 was originally to have 17 not 18 hours) then they probably asked for one more hour but it was too late or ABC couldnt fit it in, w/e. If on the dvd the extra 20 minutes is worked into the episode and not on a bonus disc then it should be three seperate parts. I think its meant to be cannon just due to ABC restrictions it couldnt air as one. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  05:35, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Length

According to ABC, out of this episode's running time the show will have 50 minutes of commercials and 100 minutes of...well, show. The two parts will be 50 minutes each. So that's 20 some extra minutes to each finale. [1] Golden Monkey 03:43, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

In Israel the finale was broadcast without commercial breaks. Episode 17 was 53 minutes and episode 18 was 48 minutes. --Laminar 06:12, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Press Release linked to on page

Is not the episodic press release with guest cast and short 1-sentence description. It's not posted yet, but when it is the link needs to be changed. cgmv123TalkContribsE-mail 00:30, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Day for Night?

The fight scene between Jack and MiB looked like it was filmed Day for Night, where you film in the daylight and then darken the tone to make it look dark (or stormy, in this case). Lots of sun glints off the water on them.--Pittsburghmuggle 03:49, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

I think that was to reinforce the idea that the island was falling apart, the light was out, etc. It was probably also connected to the fact that it was supposed to be dark, cloudy, rainy, so on. --FiremanV2 04:53, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  • Jack Bender said in an interview that scene was filmed at about 5:30 in the morning. Looks appropriate enough to me.--HaloOfTheSun 05:28, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Centricity

I'd go with none. Amazing finale BTW. I'll miss you, Lost. (Kdc2 03:52, May 24, 2010 (UTC))

No Obviously various. If something has flashes from multiple characters with a central one, we always count it as various; none is for episodes without any flashes or central character(s). This is no more non-centric than Exodus or There's No Place Like Home. I'd vote for at least Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer, Locke, Claire, Ben, Desmond and Miles (he didn't have much focus, but the scene where he spotted Sayid was from his pov). Probably others-Sun & Jin, Sayid, maybe even Charlotte. --Golden Monkey 03:52, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
Various or everyone who "remembered" since the flashes were not organized as usual, Id say we should go with when a character remembers because it shows clear focus. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  03:55, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
How about..."everyone"? Because in the end no character was the focus of this episode. Not even certain groups of characters were the focus. Everyone was the focus. The story of Lost was the story of all of these characters and all of them deserve the centricity. ShadowUltra 04:02, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
Various.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  05:08, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
everyone will disagree with me, and i don't think it'll matter but i have to put in my input (lol), Centricity: Jack Bassrockindrew 05:49, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
Yes Not only did the episode end with Jack closing his eye, emphasizing his obvious importance, most of the actual plot development in the finale centered around Jack (e.g. Jack was the last to remember and everyone was in the church waiting for his arrival, more or less). --Flyglue 06:01, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
Yes with Jack. The flashes and "near-centricity" applies to most everyone (Locke, Sawyer, Kate, maybe Desmond), but the episode begins and ends with Jack and reveals that almost the whole series is "Jack-centric." Just like the first episode was centered on Jack, the last episode is, as well.--Tim Thomason 06:10, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

John Pyper-Ferguson

Who the heck did he play? I remember his name in the credits (mainly because I was trying to remember what he had been in that I'd seen-it was Caprica, by the way) but there weren't really any prominent guest characters in the flash-sideways and none on the Island. So...who was he? --Golden Monkey 04:02, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

He played the Oceanic Delivery man who delivered Christian's coffin to the church. --User:Sdegelia 11:05, May 23, 2010

Thank you. --Golden Monkey 04:18, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Removed

"The final episode of lost sucked. It turns out that they are all dead. The end." This is, in my opinion, 100% accurate. But it's not supposed to be on a wiki. --Golden Monkey 04:18, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Everyone has to die eventually. Even Ricardus, perhaps. -- Clayburn talk contributions email 04:35, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
They weren't always dead. Whenever it is they died -- they went to the alt. (Kdc2 04:47, May 24, 2010 (UTC))
Oh, I see... you really sure about that? Because, I'm just like "What the hell happened here?" --FiremanV2 04:54, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
Yes. Think about what Christian said. He said everybody died...some in the past, some in the future. For example, Hurley might have lived another 500 years as the new Jacob, but EVENTUALLY he did die. Hence why he told Ben he was a good #2. --RebbySc 05:00, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
So when we all die we all go to LA? (Good, I've never been there before!) What about baby Aaron? Does this mean he comes back as an infant? Or is this all some weird Jack fantasy?--Pittsburghmuggle 06:30, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  • No, it turned out that after they all died, they had to examine their time on the island. The events of the show were real and they were very much alive for them. How is the idea that they are in purgatory more unsatisfying than the idea that they were in an alternate universe?TheTaoOfLocke 06:34, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Image

The image for this episode absolutely needs to be the shot of all of them sitting in the church with Christian walking out. I can't think of a better shot to illustrate this episode.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  05:09, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

  • Yes Agreed. The shot of Jack's eye closing is somewhat powerful, and should be included somewhere in the article, but it doesn't, in my opinion, represent the majority of the episode. --LeoChris 05:14, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  • I like the eye closed, but am open to other ideas. Don't like the church one, though. -- Clayburn talk contributions email 05:16, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  • YesI also like the church with Christian walking out. Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
  • Perhaps have the image be of the plane flying overhead? It is the "departure" from the island, one of the final shots, and a fitting farewell image. --SilentSpy 06:05, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  • NoI think the eye closing is perfect. The Pilot opened with Jack opening his eye and The End closed with Jack closing his eye in the same place.--Crazyoldben 06:08, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
    • Yes Jack's eye closing is perfect. We came full circle. :) --Phryrosebdeco23 06:43, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Improvements

I'd like to suggest a few improvements for the remastered 20-year anniversary version:

Kill Ricardus - Before getting on the outrigger, it was implied he was mortal again. The question about who, during the time flashes, fired on our Losties from the outrigger was never answered. Somehow, it should have been Miles, Lapidus and Richard. Richard gets shot, dies.

  • It wouldn't make much sense that 3/4 people can row faster than the 7 or so Losties travelling through time. They were catching up to them. I think the outrigger had the best chance of being answered in Everybody Loves Hugo; they needed to get to Hydra Island, so a bunch of them pick up 2 outriggers. They then all go to the Black Rock for dynamite, they return and one of the outriggers are missing. Not happy, Ilana and most of the team give chase and Ilana gets shot by time-travelling Juliet. Answered. Phobia27 05:38, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Sawyer kill Flocke - I don't like how Flocke went out. It was a grand duel between him and Jack, as it should have been. But then Kate (Who even likes Kate???) shows up out of nowhere and pops him in the back. That's about as lame as throwing a Sith Lord down a space station shaft. I propose Sawyer killing him instead. First, Sawyer has always been an antagonistic buddy of Doc. So, having his back would have been a nice partner move. Second, he needed redemption for killing Sun, Jin and Sayid.

That's all I got for now. What would you do differently?

-- Clayburn talk contributions email 05:16, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

This is content for the forums. Talk about it there. -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  06:17, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

The Heart of the Island

Did anyone else notice how the water pool where the light is coming from is almost an identical (albeit larger) pool to the one Ben has behind his secret room at his house in Dharmaville? I mean, they both had stone plugs in the middle that had to be removed in order to drain the water. Maybe, since Ben thought it called the Monster, and the Monster came from the source, the reaction of water and energy from the pool(s) "tingled" the Monster in a way that he would know where the feeling came from. I'm not saying both pools worked the same way, but maybe they had a particular correlation. Draining the source made the Monster and Jack vulnerable to mortal death from each other, which is why Desmond had to drain it. He was the only one who could get to the plug without dying in order to drain it. Jack, then, had to replug it, knowing what it did to the protector if it remained unplugged. I know this is a lot, but I think this would be worth noting in a section of trivia, but I just don't know where. --   Atomic Mystro    talk    contribs   05:40, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Sunken Island

So why was the Island sunk in the sideways? A half hour before the end of the episode, I was sure I'd figured it out. I thought the Sideways world was the result of the Island sinking and MIB's plan succeeding, and that "leaving" it meant that they were going to go back and undo what Smokey had done and defeat him. But then they did the Purgatory thing. Which leaves the sunken Island bit a mystery. Any thoughts? Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

  • the way i interpret the sideways, and thats all it is is an interpretation, is that they had to experience what they THOUGHT they wanted in life before they could all let go. jack had a son, hurley was lucky, locke had a good relationship with cooper and helen, sawyer was a good guy, desmond had a good relationship with widmore, kate wasn't guilty, etc. they also thought that they didn't need the island. so in the reality they all made up after they died, they passed right over the island and continued their lives.Bassrockindrew 05:54, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  • There was no Purgatory thing. In no way did any of the characters suffer for their sins in the flash-sideways. Just as Christian said, they all created it as a place that they could all be together again. Their time on and around the Island was the most important moments of their lives, and they all wanted to live it together. It was a construct for their souls. The Island being sunk in the flash-sideways only meant that they never had to worry about it ever again. Having it at the bottom of the ocean also ensured that, even in their construct, they would never have to go to it again. --   Atomic Mystro    talk    contribs   05:58, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  • The island was sunk because it was something that happened to the the castaways, and thus was real in their purgatory, but what they needed to resolve before moving on is what would have happened if they had never crashed. The island is sunken because they needed it to be.TheTaoOfLocke 06:30, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Was Walt in the church at the end?

In the Times Talk program, Damon said that Walt would appear in the finale, but I didn't see him. Was he somewhere in the church crowd?  Robert K S   tell me  05:57, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

  • No, don't think so. I did see Walt in Locke's "flashes" in the FST, it was him throwing a knife at a tree so it is archive footage. That could be their cheeky way of saying he appeared in the episode. Phobia27 06:02, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
    • Maybe he was in a deleted scene? Supposedly, the Blu-ray release includes some deleted scenes that are supposed to "answer more questions" --Flyglue 06:07, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
      • Are you sure these are deleted scenes and not just commentaries?  Robert K S   tell me  06:11, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
        • The DVDs were stated to feature a minimum of 20 mins of new material, devoted to answering questions. (I don't have a source on hand, but I guess you could try to look it up... Sorry about that) --LeoChris 06:13, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  • No, but this could be because Walt had no baggage from his time on the island. The purgatory of the characters in Lost is only for those for which the events of Lost were the defining moments of their lives. But yes, I was expecting him to pop up to.TheTaoOfLocke 06:27, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

When did the afterlife officially begin?

  • did it begin for each of the losties when they died individually? or did it start once each of the losties had died? if the afterlife began when the losties died individually, then that wouldn't make sense because Jack would be in it much longer than Kate for example. Or Shannon would be in it for much longer than Jack because she died earlier than he did. Bellac230 06:02, May 24, 2010 (UTC)Bellac May 24, 2010
    • Christian said that there is no "now" meaning no time at all. No matter when each character died, they all came to the exact same moment and "time" in the afterlife. It's more of a metaphysical concept than actual timeline issues. You just have to let your mind accept that their "souls" came to the exact same "time" in a fashion similar to how they all would recognize. --   Atomic Mystro    talk    contribs   06:08, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
      • Exactly, there is no when. Time is irrelevant in the afterlife, according to Christian. All that mattered was that the characters relieved themselves of the events of Lost after they died, whenever that was. We know this because Christian said so, and because Ben and Hurley referenced their time together on the island, which occurred after the show ended.TheTaoOfLocke 06:24, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
      • I would also add that this is pretty appropriate and fitting within the themes of Lost: it goes beyond our understanding of time and space, even more so than the time travel in Season 5.--HaloOfTheSun 06:11, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
    • Shannon (and Christian and Boone and Ana Lucia) died about three years before Jack did. Kate, Sawyer, Frank, the graying Ricardo, Miles, Desmond, and Claire all died somewhere within a few decades after the episode. Hurley and maybe Ben might've died a few *thousand* years after the episode, there's no way of guessing with that duo. So, sometime after Hurley's death, far in the future, they all meet up in this extra-temporal dimension. And for some odd reason, the Desmond of that dimension contacts the "real-world" Desmond of 2007 (2008 according to the latest TV Guide). It's in the future and in the present (and, presumably, they could hang out in the past if powerful enough). I wonder if the Man in Black hung out in a Purgatory with Claudia's people?--Tim Thomason 06:17, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
    • One way to think of it is you had no awareness of time before you were born, correct? In a sense, the time just flew by instantly, right from the beginning of the universe to the moment you were born. The same could be said for the afterlife, you have no awareness of time in the afterlife, so whether you died 2,000 years ago, or you died yesterday, you wouldn't be aware of the time that went by. So, when they all eventually died, they all met up in the afterlife, feeling like all of them only died yesterday. Phobia27 06:28, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Christian said they ALL decided to create the "Afterlife"... How could they ALL decide that when they died at different times?

  • Christian said they all created it in order to be together again. Well, how did they all create it when they never talked about it or even thought about it? Bellac230 06:35, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  • Because two thing in common brought them together: the relationships they developed and their deepest desires. Uzerzero 06:41, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Final Moments

Just as a note... I loved how Jack wasn't alone when he died. I was actually thinking about how horrible it would be to die alone as he trekked through the bamboos, and how ironic it would be that he defied his own catchphrase, or the second half at least... but then came good ol' Vincent, who lay beside him as he passed.

It's also fitting that these were the first two characters we saw in the show - Jack and Vincent - who would be the last two. The S 06:45, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

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