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Merging[]

This article should not be merged with ? because this article is about the location, not the episode. --Jambalaya 13:16, 24 July 2006 (PDT)

Yes, but there's actually very little information here, and it's all a subset of either ? or of The Pearl. There also doesn't seem to be much more that could be added. I'm not sure it merits it's own page. --Doc 13:20, 24 July 2006 (PDT)

Do not merge! It has its own significance and should not be discounted because it is only dealt with in 1 episode (so far). Keep. --Señor Eko 19:06, 24 July 2006 (PDT)

  • Keep, I think this page could be like The Hatch (Swan Exterior) for the pearl. It just needs to be written better. In fact, how about The Questionmark (Pearl Exterior)? --Phmall 20:52, 24 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Keep I agree that it can be likened to the hatch. It does need to be improved upon though.
  • guys im workin on the edit. sit tight. --Phmall 20:59, 24 July 2006 (PDT)
    • DONE!!! --Phmall 22:31, 24 July 2006 (PDT)

Is it really...[]

Are we actually sure the marking Eko saw in the ground was a question mark? I mean, he said it was a circle ("...A target") and it would make more sense if it wasn't (Why would there be an actual question mark in the ground?). --SilvaStorm

Yeah, I think it is a question mark. By the "target" comment I think he was meaning that the question mark was in fact a target and not the it is shaped like a target.--CaptainInsano
It just seems weird that there would be a literal question mark in the very spot Kelvin/Radzinky drew one on the BDM. --SilvaStorm
Why the heck does that seem weird? He drew a question mark there for a reason, probaly noting "theres an ACTUAL question mark here, i should draw it on the blast door map!" Besides that, Polar Bears on a Tropical Island is something i would be more concerned about as weird :P -- Iron Man  Send a message  View contributions  16:35, 6 March 2007 (PST)
I'm so sure the question mark is the box Ben was talking about. This is so clearly a circle, I can't get a question mark out of it. Didn't the producers say they found the circle on the way to the question mark and never actually went to the question mark?--
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To quote the lost podcast, keep in mind they say MIDDLE of the island "In the March 26, 2007 podcast, executive producer Damon Lindelof confirmed that the box reference is a metaphor for something else: "It would be kind of silly to walk to the middle of the island and there's a kind of a big large refrigerator box sitting there and Kate's horse comes trotting out and Sayid's little cat and Jack's dad ... that would be kind of the worst idea in the history of ideas." "
Well on the blast door map, there's a little ? above the Swan before a big ? mark. The little ? could represent where the Pearl is, cause they noticed a weird salted circle thing. I would guess the big ? corresponds with the Barracks, as around it was a yellow dotted line, which could, naturally in theory, be the sonic barrier perimeter. That would assume though that the writers of the map never knew about the Barracks. --Nickb123 (Talk) 05:49, 19 April 2007 (PDT)

Have Locke and Eko found the "?" yet?[]

Take a look at this brilliant post: Have Locke and Eko found the "?" yet?
I completely agree with it, I'm not so sure that the marking is actually a question mark. --SilvaStorm

The creator of that post is a genius. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 16:11, 10 March 2007 (PST)

The Lost people say that the ? is the Pearl [1]--Jackdavinci 19:16, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

  • That could be just a view from Gregg or the writers changed their minds now. I don't know I really hope it isn't. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 19:57, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

Da plane[]

Excuse my ignorance, did we learn which plane that is? Meterman 20:18, 18 August 2006 (PDT)

  • Read the article my dear man! It's the drug smugglers' plane. --Peephole 13:53, 20 August 2006 (PDT)

I also belive the pearl is not "?"... the ? formed on the ground would be upside down on the blast door map....

Ladder[]

This is the only known station to have a ladder used to enter it. That's not true; The Swan's hatch had a ladder, it had just fallen into disrepair so as to be unusable. See Image:Ep2x01-hatch_shaft.jpg - GoodRom 15:27, 1 December 2006 (PST)

Rename[]

UPDATE: Rename to The Pearl exterior, as the marking on the ground is a circle, like Eko says, not a question mark. It only looks like that because of the bush behind the plane's wreckage. --SilvaStorm

With caps, as The Question Mark, in my opinion. It's not without a doubt a question mark, but as far as we can tell, that's what it is. -- ryright

*Rename to "The Question Mark": That is a more appropriate title. --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  00:53, 7 January 2007 (PST)

  • Keep Fine the way it is. No one types in "The Question Mark" to find this article (and if they did, could easily make a redirect page for it). --PandoraX 02:15, 17 January 2007 (PST)
  • Keep It really is a question mark, with the dot at the bottom (the actual hatch) obscured by the plane. -BearDog 13:11, 25 January 2007 (PST)
  • Keep Doesn't matter if it's a ? or a circle, the name came from the depiction on the blast door map, and the title of the episode "?". --   Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 10:44, 26 January 2007 (PST)
  • Rename: It is only called the question mark because it is at the location of the question mark on the blast door map. Eko says that it is a circle (a target), why would someone mark out an actual question mark? --SilvaStorm
  • Rename not because it's really a circle - which it is, but that's irrelevant because it now looks like a question mark and it's resemblance to one is what makes it important. Instead, because there's a lot more important outside the pearl than just the mark. It's the site of the plane, which was visited before anyone noticed the mark. It's the site of the hatch door, and of one of the Yemi visions. --Jackdavinci 16:13, 19 February 2007 (PST)
  • I guess there was an update. I say rename "Pearl exterior", and rename the hatch article to just "Swan exterior" and just redirect "?" and "the hatch" to those.--Jackdavinci 19:20, 12 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Keep It seems to me it is a ?, and the Pearl entrance door is the dot of the ?. --Jakovexc0
  • Rename I just don't think this could be the ?. When you see it on the blast door map, you're thinking "whoa that's going to be something huge!", but it's not that big. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 19:33, 1 March 2007 (PST)
  • We can't rename it to just ? alone; that's a disambig page for the episode as well. Please note that the original nomination is to the words "The Question Mark". --PandoraX 21:33, 6 March 2007 (PST)
  • Weak Keep I guess it should still be the ?. It doesn't make that big of a difference to me. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 07:35, 4 March 2007 (PST)
  • Keep -- Iron Man  Send a message  View contributions  16:30, 6 March 2007 (PST)
  • Keep It certainly looked like a big ? outside the Pearl exterior to me when I watched it. I don't see what the problem is here.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  01:02, 7 March 2007 (PST)
  • Rename I don't think it should be the ?, I think it should be renamed as "The Pearl Exterior" because the name of this page gets confused in the search query with the actual episode title, ?, when searching. And usually when someone's searching specifically for ?, they're looking for the episode; if they wanted to find this, they'd search for Pearl. --Kbmusiclover 06:14, 11 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename If you look at the blast door map you can see there is two question marks and I dont think Locke and Eko went to the middle of the island. WarthenMan
  • Rename As you can see on my userpage, I don't think the ? in the center of the map is the Pearl, because as you can see the stations are arranged in an octogon. Recent evidence lends weight to the theory that the ? is the Barracks and the dotted lines around it are the security fence. However, without speculation, this should be renamed to The Pearl exterior. ShadowUltra 15:05, 18 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename I agree with ShadowUltra that the Pearl is not the ? in the center of the map. This should be renamed to "The Pearl Exterior" because we can all agree that this is indeed, the exterior of a hatch named the Pearl. --Samhain99 08:32, 19 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Keep   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   19:47, 25 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename The exterior is not a question mark, its a circle.--Kemot from Poland 03:15, 28 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename First of all the marking on the ground is a circle, not a question mark. Secondly the location is NOT the "?" seen in the centre of the blast door map, it is quite clearly the area marked as "the pearl". Thirdly the episode was called "?" not because this is what they found but because the episode was meant to make you confused and think twice - it's a clever placement of the plane to make it look like a "?" in the ground but it's nothing more than creative licence. The pearl has nothing to do with a "?" - on the map, or on the ground above it. This needs renaming. --Elbonio, UK 20:44 28 March 2007 (GMT)
  • RenameThe comment above me is right, my guess is the question mark is the box on the island Ben was talking about.
  • RenameThe only thing we could be 100% secure is this is "pearl exterior"; about "?", we have a lot of dubts about it, like this post demostrate...--Fuzter lost 10:07, 23 April 2007 (PDT)
  • RenameEven if we were certain that it is the same as "the ?" on the map, it still doesn't make sense to call it "the ?". "The Hatch" for the swan exterior makes sense, because they actually called it that, but no one ever called this exterior "the ?". Furthermore, the first survivors to discover it (Paulo and Niki) never even saw the supposed "?" - Triptolemus 15:57, 26 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Abstain: Seems a bit trivial to me --Nickb123 (Talk) 14:09, 13 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename We just can't be sure wether it is the "?" from the map or not. What we do know for certain is that it is "The Pearl exterior", therefore the page should be named accordingly.--TechNic|talk|conts 11:54, 15 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename: The name 'The pearl exterior' is alot less complicate and eaier to know what you are talking about than 'The ?' where new people to this might think this is a vandalisium page. --Pacific Gilly 1992 14:10, 18 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename to The pearl exterior, but the link at ?(disambiguation) should stay.--   Steff    talk    contribs    email   08:26, 21 May 2007 (PDT)

Rename[]

we don´t know if the "?" is, in facts, the pearl, or if it isn´t. i don´t believe that: the pearl is too little and it was drawn in the blastmap not in the center, like something big, like the "?". then: we know one certain thing: this IS the pearl. For this, we must call it like it really is: The Pearl. when we could assume the pearl is "?" without any doubts, well.. we could change the name.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fuzter lost (talk • contribs) .

You need to stick to your native language, as i cant understand a word your saying :P -- Iron Man  Send a message  View contributions  16:36, 6 March 2007 (PST)

  • Keep The podcast guys and show made it clear that this was the "?" they were referring to, but it could get confused with the episode title. Having (Pearl exterior) is a great way to distinguish. Is there a "?" disambiguation page? That might help. [--pom5msu] [--talk] 22:12, 14 March 2007 (PDT)


General changes[]

I have an idea. Let's rename this article to "Question mark", and do general changes in it. This article wouldn't be about the Pearl station exterior, but about appearances of the question mark in episodes "Lockdown" and "?". In my opinion the Pearl exterior doesn't look like a "?" when we remove the plane wreckage. Now we know, that Tom moved the plane above the hatch to cover it. Also on the blast door map I don't think that the big "?" represents the Pearl, it just represents a not-explored area. Not something looking like a "?". And maybe we shouldn't take the blast door map very seriously - it's only a schemat. What do you think of it? -- Kemot from Poland 04:31, 21 April 2007 (PDT)

I think that's what the discussion on renaming the article is about. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 06:25, 21 April 2007 (PDT)

No. The discussion is about renaming to "Pearl exterior". The article would be about the hatch to the Pearl station. And in my opinion this article should be about appearances of question marks in LOST. (Because we're not 100% sure if the "?" is the Pearl.) Kemot from Poland 05:24, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

My opinion is that Radz and kelvin never found the pearl station (?) however they knew that there was a station underground from the underground passageways, and thus worked out where the centre point was and marked the area with a ?. The artical should be named "The ?" --Hit and miss 05:44, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

  • all of us has opinions, but the facts 100% secure is only one: this is the "pearl exterior" place. the name of the article MUST BE CHANGED --Fuzter lost 10:01, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

Yes, Pearl exterior LOOKS like a "?", but in fact it IS A CIRCLE. --Kemot from Poland 05:49, 24 April 2007 (PDT)

  • I think the best thing to do is delete this article all together. Create two new articles: 1) "?" dealing with the question mark on the blast door and outside the Pearl and 2) Pearl exterior, dealing with the area around the Pearl which includes the hatch, the plane, the question mark, Eko's death, etc. --Jackdavinci 19:41, 29 April 2007 (PDT)

Let's make an article about the "?" and make "The Pearl exterior" redirect page to The Pearl article, where the exterior would be detailed. Kemot from Poland 04:48, 12 May 2007 (PDT)

  • That is an idea I will agree with. Good thinking. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 11:11, 12 May 2007 (PDT)

Maybe we should do some kind of vote about suggested changes? --Kemot from Poland 08:34, 16 May 2007 (PDT)

why it´s logical a rename of the article[]

if the name "?" were correct, nobody discuss it. this is not the case.

so, the question is "must be pearl-exterior the correct name"?

well.. we don´t know if "?" is another place, another thing or really the entrance to the pearl.. but we´re secure of one thing: it is the pearl exterior.

at this moment, with the information we have, call "?" the article could be a mistake, but "pearl exterior", no.

--Fuzter lost 09:57, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

1. This was in the episode "?", whose episode referred to the mark on the ground... 2. People need to stop thinking too far ahead. It looked like a ?, it was referred to in the show (i believe) as a big ?. It doesn't need to be renamed. 3. Why are we trying to change what we know. The episode ? was a visit to the ? on the blast map, that was the storyline. It ended up as them finding the pearl... 4. Saying it MUST BE CHANGED, like you did earlier, will endear you to no one.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  07:21, 11 May 2007 (PDT)

  • I'm tending to agree with those who think it should be kept as "The ? (Pearl Exterior)", for now - until we know what the real question mark on the Blast Door Map is. But whatever we do, this article needs serious cleanup. There is more or less argumentative writing throughout the article on how it's a circle or a target and not a ?. Also, there are way too many headings with confusing titles (i.e. "The Question Mark", within an article entitled "The ?"). Also, the references to the appearances of question marks needs to be tied in better with the physical location, which is what this article is about. I think there are some undisputed facts. That there are markings on the ground, that they do look like a "?" or a circle, that this led to the discovery of the Pearl, that there is a large question mark on the Blast Door Map, but we still don't know if these are one and the same. The article should be based on these facts and should avoid inferences. --LOSTinDC 05:48, 23 May 2007 (PDT)
    • I don't think, though, that the question mark on the blast door map and the Pearl are the same. There's a strong case to be made for the C4 station noted to be the Pearl, given the notations around it. Additionally, the notations around the question mark indicate that the "designation unknown"; "purpose unknown"; "relation to D.I.H.G. unknown" - given that the Pearl's purpose is clear from the moment you enter it, and we know that it was built by the DHARMA Initiative, why would those references be to the Pearl station? IT's more likely that the question mark is some sort of natural occurence/property of the Island which is not fully understood. --LOSTinDC 07:39, 23 May 2007 (PDT)
    • That was one guy who said that a while ago. The view on the ? could have changed in Damon's or Carlton's minds since. I think someone really needs to ask TPTB nowadays.... BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 12:27, 23 May 2007 (PDT)
      • Gregg Nations is THE power when it comes to answers. Gregg is the script co-ordinator, he is the only person who has EVERY detail on Lost, he does what Lostpedia is trying to achieve as a full time job. If they need to recall any of the show history, he is the man. He is one of TPTB!  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  16:06, 23 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Even if the "?" on the blast door map represents the Pearl, the exterior of the station is a CIRCLE. This article could as well be named "The O (Pearl exterior). See my comments above. --Kemot from Poland 04:58, 27 May 2008 (PDT)
    • I don't think that's relevant since whether or not it used to be a circle, it now resembles a question mark. Just like we refer to the four toed statue because that's all it is now. But I do think the exterior articles should be renamed to Swan Exterior (with The Hatch redirecting to it, and a subsection on The Swan saying see main article at) and Pearl Exterior (with The Hatch redirecting to it, and a subsection on The Pearl and on the Blast Door Map saying see main article at). Those are probably the only two stations whose exteriors merit their own articles. "?" can be a disambiguation saying may refer to The Pearl on the Blast Door Map or the appearance of a question mark on the ground at the Pearl Exterior. But in any case the producers have made it pretty damn clear that the "?" refers to the Pearl station and to the question mark on the ground near it's exterior. --Jackdavinci 08:52, 27 May 2008 (PDT)
Result is no rename I think. --Nickb123 (Talk) 16:58, 19 June 2008 (PDT)
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