Why do people believe that Jack finished off the marshall?

He point blank refused to participate in euthanizing him, even while acknowledging that his death was certain and would be painful. Jack let him suffer for hours. Even after Sawyer shot him, Jack immediately began to try to stop the flow of blood from the chest wound. While he theorized that it would take "hours" for him to "bleed out," Jack had no crystal ball or way to know exactly how long it would take, and considering his near-death state, that he died much faster than "hours" is no indication that Jack suddenly changed his moral compass. Without proof, at best, this is an unaswered question.Namastizzay 23:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Later episodes make reference to Jack euthanizing the marshall.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  04:04, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Can you provide a citation, please? Namastizzay 23:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I've gone through season 1 transcripts and the the few references to the marshal do not say anything about how he died, only that he wasn't burned in the fuselage with the people who died in the crash. Jack says that he needed to bury him. I think this is simply a case of people misunderstanding the circumstances of the marshal's expiration, and that people are ignoring Jack's inherent nature and the fact that, until much later in the story, he would never actively contribute to an innocent person's death. Jack would refuse to give up on anyone. But if there is evidence, I'd be happy to be aware of it. Or if anyone can suggest a way that Jack could finish the marshal off in the time he had, I would be interested to hear such a theory. The only ways I can think of would be beyond Jack's abilities at that moment, and within the time available: 1) Blunt force trauma to the skull. 2) Breaking his neck.
Kate and Sawyer had each taken a life deliberately before that moment. I think killing a man to end his suffering would be far easier for them than it would be for Jack, whose very essence and reason for being was the protection and restoration of life, to an obsessive level. If he saw no end in the man's suffering, could he have done him in somehow? I think so, eventually. But I don't think he could have done it in the 37 seconds (27 seconds of gasping, 3 seconds of groaning, 7 seconds of silence) he had, and certainly not with the methods he had at his disposal. No. I don't think so. And I think they would have shown it or made it clear that he had if he had done so. Namastizzay 01:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I don't have a specific quote for you, but I'll try to remember to look for it next time I rewatch Season 1. If I recall correctly, it's something Sawyer says. At any rate, everything in this episode and later suggests that we are meant to infer that that is what happened. Nothing in the show has happened to imply otherwise. To raise it as an unanswered question is purely speculation.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  05:42, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Clue about Locke and smoke monster

I was watching Tabula Rasa again and noticed something interesting in the end. In the last few seconds Locke is starring out into the ocean and the camera does a 180 deg spin around, finishing with a close up of Locke's face. A moment before it fades to black, you can hear the sounds of the smoke monster/MIB with Locke's face filling the screen. WIth what's been happening now in season 6, I think this is a message. You all give it a watch (listen)

-Eric--Ericc99 03:58, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

I can't hear it mate - tho' there is a sound that resembles Smokey's 'siren'. However this quickly changes pitch (whereas Smokey's 'hoot' is always 440Hz).

9emini 04:52, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

It's great looking back at that scene. Still have to wonder what it was supposed to mean at the time though. --- Balk Of Fametalk 21:32, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


The "Recurring Themes" section claims "When asked about what happened up in the mountain by Claire, Charlie denies that anything took place." In fact, the scene ends before Charlie has a chance to answer.

"Storyline Analysis" claims "Michael fights with Locke about the time he shared with Walt and making the whistle used to find Vincent". I've just watched the episode and am certain I saw no such thing!

9emini 05:02, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Picture discussion

Any thoughts on using Kate's mugshot at the episode's picture? It's not a very large close-up of Kate unfortunately, but it's a picture of her. And it sums the episode up better than the current pic, whose scene you can't identify too easily. (It's from a flashback with Ray Mullen, but who'd guess?) --- Balk Of Fametalk 21:37, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
Pictogram voting oppose (Kdc2 04:24, September 5, 2010 (UTC))
Pictogram voting oppose While I do agree that we should find a better picture for the episode, I disagree with using the mugshot printout. It's not a picture of Kate from the episode, it's a picture of somebody holding a picture of Kate that was supposed to have been taken at a prior time. --Celebok 04:53, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
That's right. I'll keep my eyes open for something else. --- Balk Of Fametalk 05:12, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
All right, here are some new choices. A little Australia in the background, a little staring over Mars. Anything here? --- Balk Of Fametalk 04:15, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
1x03-Sleeping With My Sheep






1x03 Kate


I like #2. It summarizes the episode pretty well, if you know the context. --Celebok 20:05, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
Balk, your #4 picture is actually Sun, with Michael suddenly appearing from out of the jungle. --Just Sayin' JSTalk LBC LBCTalk eMail 20:09, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
I think that was a joke from BalkOfFame ;) --Station7 20:11, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
Yup, a joke. But I'm now replacing it with 4, which, as it turns out, was the pic until August, when Lapidus7 changed it without discussion. --- Balk Of Fametalk 21:57, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
Change it back to number 4, it should never have been changed without discussion in the first place. Also, out of the choices presented here, it is the best one IMO.--Baker1000 23:40, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
It's a good picture - if that was up, I wouldn't have started any dispute. But if you showed it to me without the episode article, I'd guess it was from Kate's closing scene in "House of the Rising Sun" or "Whatever the Case May Be". --- Balk Of Fametalk 00:38, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
I see that you've now changed it back to #4, which I agree was the right thing to do since it never should've been changed without discussion in the first place. But I'd still like to keep the discussion open, because I still like #2 better. --Celebok 17:45, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

I realize this discussion was from a while ago, but if I may, I'd like to suggest a change in the picture again. It doesn't seem like the best choice to me, it doesn't really sum up the episode well. I think that one of these would be a better option:

Tabula Rasa
Tabula Rasa2
Tabula Rasa3

--GrinningTurtle 21:43, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

We still could use a better picture. But the general policy says episodes with a single centric character should always have pictures with just that character. --- Balk Of Fametalk 08:20, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, I'm not too keen on having Ray or Jack in the picture. If we were to have another character in there, it should probably be the Marshal because that's the central focus of Kate's story in the episode. We should still try to use just the centric character though. And to be honest, I don't really have a problem with the current picture.--Baker1000 13:57, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

This other option has just a sliver of Ray, and it's of Kate looking at the Marshal. And number 5 in the series is Kate talking to Mars in his tent. Again, the current one's okay, but pop in a toy plane, and we have the pic for Kate's next centric --- Balk Of Fametalk 03:44, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

I quite like that last one, number 5. It's at a pretty climatic point in the episode just before Jack tells Kate about the mugshot. Seems to fit well.--Baker1000 11:47, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
I also like no 5. Definitely not any of the ones with other characters too. Mhtm 16:28, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
Pictogram voting support 5 works for me too. Limitlessness 22:24, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Headcount, looks like its changing to the last one

1st set, picture 1, 3 or 4 - (0)
1st set, picture 2 - Celebok (1)
2nd set, picture 1, 2 or 3 - GrinningTurtle (1)
2nd set, picture 4 - BalkOfFame(or 5) (1)
2nd set, picture 5 - BalkOfFame(or 4), Baker1000, Mhtmghnd, me (4) Limitlessness 23:05, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
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