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Age revealed in Ji Yeon?

Jin's tombstone listed his dates of birth and death, and also Sun's birthdate:

Jin: 11/27/74 - 9/22/04 Sun: 3/20/80

Sun is 24? Waiting for further confirmation on the validity of the tombstone, but for now this is the closest evidence there is. Gutsdozer 21:12, 13 March 2008 (PDT)


Name

Is there an official source that Sun's full name is indeed Sun-Soo Kwon? I have yet to see evidence from the show confirming this. As far as I know, all we have so far, as of the sixth episode of the second season, is that her name is Sun Paik. I am sceptical about her name being Sun-Soo Kwon for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, it would be really curious if she has indeed adopted her husband's surname, something unheard of in Korea. We know that she comes from the Paik family. Secondly, it seems odd for Jin-Soo and Sun-Soo to be a couple, just as it would seem a bit contrived if a couple were given rhyming names like Nancy and Clancy. I can only guess that Sun-Soo Kwon was extrapolated from Sun based on Jin's canonical full name being Jin-Soo Kwon. I just hope this bit of carelessness is not canonical, although I wouldn't be surprised if it were, given Lost's awful record on cultural accuracy. --219.254.220.163 23:20, 13 November 2005 (PST)

This IMDB link [1] for "Lost: The Journey" lists the name as Sun-Hwa Kwon. As a Korean, I can tell you that Sun-Hwa is a much more believable name than Sun-Soo. Since the name "Sun-Soo Kwon" increasingly appears to be someone's mistake, I'll correct the entries as soon as I figure out what to do with the surname. As I said, Korean women do not adopt their husbands' surnames. In practice, however, they are automatically assigned their husbands' surnames all the time by people from cultures unfamiliar with Korean custom, and a few (especially Korean Americans) just decide to go along with it. Those who do end up with different surnames in Korean and English, as original surnames will be retained in the Korean name no matter what, but when writing names in English the woman will either substitute the husband's surname or in rare cases use both surnames (e.g. Sun-Hwa Paik Kwon). So I guess "Sun-Hwa Kwon" could be the name Sun adopts for English document purposes, although her Korean legal name remains "Sun-Hwa Paik (백선화)" unless Sun has for some reason changed her surname legally. Any ideas on how to handle this? --219.254.220.163 21:48, 14 November 2005 (PST)

Oceanicflight815.com use the name "Sun Kwon" and Wikipedia use "Sun Kwon".. Maybe we should go with only Kwon? --Jambalaya 06:24, 21 February 2006 (PST)

If thats true - where did the Soo part come from? If it has a valid source, it should stay in the article somehow. --aurora glacialis 03:19, 7 March 2006 (PST) Jin's full name is Jin Soo-Kwon. I guess that's how they got it. --Marik7772003 19:46, 11 October 2006 (PDT)

As a Korean woman living in Korea, its hard to see why Sun would use anything other than her legal Korean name, which would be Paik Sun-hwa. "Kwon Sun-Hwa" seems wrong, an illogical compromise between Korean and English. I don't think there is a real source that gives the name this way. Kauffner 15:53, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Pregnant?

Whats the deal with Sun being pregnant (and specifically "by someone other than her husband")? Have I missed some crucial part here or is that just speculation (it's fine for me if it is, but I haven't heard about it anywhere else, and i'd be surprised if I missed something like that from the show :)

I think it is because of her reaction to Claire giving her the baby because she leaves for the Medical Station. --aurora glacialis 03:19, 7 March 2006 (PST)

In the section about sun's pregnancy on the main page, y does it state her period is on day 30? -turkleton

More evidence for the father not being Jin

From the official ABC Press Release for Season 3, from TheTailSection website: "Sun and Jin will continue to celebrate their pregnancy - but is the child really Jin's?"

Hinting usually amounts to proof with television shows. I am willing to bet that the father isn't Jin, and that his infertility was not cured. Shi no Kyoufu 20:56, 7 August 2006 (PDT)

That's fine but; Sun had sex with Jin on the Island. It "suggests" that she had sex with that bald Asian guy. If she did how long ago was the flashback? If we knew that bit of information it would be easy to tell.--CaptainInsano

My guess is the child was immaculately conceived by the island! How's that for a twist? -fontgangsta

Sun Hwa-Kwon

Colleen called her Sun Hwa-Kwon in The Glass Ballerina. This should be added. --Marik7772003 19:45, 11 October 2006 (PDT)

  • Definitely --James W. 14:58, 1 November 2006 (PST)

Was it Sun-Hwa Kwon or Sun Hwa-Kwon? -Chris[[User Talk: Dt7|[dt7]]] 12:04, 22 October 2006 (PDT)

Think Marik probably meant Sun-Hwa Kwon. I don't believe Hwa-Kwon would make sense; I'm Chinese and not Korean, but I don't think Koreans have dashed surnames either; see above comments by the unnamed editor. Often, first names are longer (the equivilent of a 2-syllable word, abbreviated for brevity as a sort of nickname). --PandoraX 15:46, 1 November 2006 (PST)

In which case I'm all for a rename to Sun-Hwa Kwon :) -Chris[dt7] 16:01, 1 November 2006 (PST)
Me too! Gonna do it... people can come bug me if they don't like it :) --PandoraX 16:05, 1 November 2006 (PST)
Sorry if this has been bought up elsewhere, but my understanding is that Korean women don't take the husband's name when they marry. They keep their old surnames; any kids they have take the dad's surname. I could be wrong of course but I think that's how it is. Does anyone know for sure? I suspect the writer's have been a bit slack with their research, or maybe decided the hell with accuracy.C.m. 11:46, 26 April 2007 (PDT)
You're quite correct. The writers goofed completely; they made two mistakes in her name. It should be Paik Sun-Hwa, not Sun-Hwa Kwon. (Korean women retain their maiden name, and Koreans put their surname before their given name.) The article gives her name correctly in Korean: 백선화 (백: Paik; 선화: Sun-hwa). They do great stories, but they're not so good with foreign languages and cultures... Aridd 17:13, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

What to do with Young Sun

Its been bothering me..what to do with the young character versions of the adults and the actors who played them e.g, Young Sun played by Sophie Kim, also Young Jack, Young Kate (voice), Young Charlie etc. Ideally they should be incorporated somewhere in their character articles...because they too play the character not just their adult counterparts. Perhaps something in the infoboxes mentioning the two actors maybe...Or just a mention in a "See Also" section?. There has to be some kind of link or ref to the young versions of the characters because they are being overlooked. What do others think? --Kivipat13:05, 27 December 2006 (PST)

  • We previously voted to delete a Young Jack page and merge that info into Jack, and I think that should be the precedent from now on. As for the actor credit, I guess we could consider changing the template to fit two actors, but you may want to talk to Dagg or Dt7 about it... because I don't want to mess with Template:Infobox OceanicPassenger Character so that it looks wrong for the ones with only one actor. The best way may just be to add as a ==Trivia== or a ==Note== at the bottom. --PandoraX 13:13, 27 December 2006 (PST)
  • I'm going to add an Additional Casting section to all those I can think of with young actor versions --Kivipat

Relate Juliet to Sun?

Should there be a paragraph, or possibly just an "unanswered question" related to Juliet and Sun's pregnancy. I know there are lots of talks of her pregnancy but given the information revealed about pregnancies in ("One of Us") would it not be reasonable to believe that her pregnancy could possibly be related to the drug that Juliet used on her sister? Juliet did say they took blood and stuff from Claire for a while before she realized it. Could they be doing that to Sun? I think, given the infertility of Jin and Juliet's involvement in fertility as well as The Others obsession with fertility that there could be a connection drawn between Sun becoming pregnant and The Others.Voodoo 20:06, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

Implausible English skills

I find it wildly implausible that Sun's English could reach such high proficiency simply with one-on-one tutoring with a guy who seems to have spoken to her in Korean much of the time anyway. He told her she was "almost fluent." Puh-leeze. I just think her exposure to English was far too little for her to plausibly have the kind of fluency she does.C.m. 11:46, 26 April 2007 (PDT)

how do you know how much tuition she's had, or that he mostly spoke to her in Korean much of the time? --Jonoob 23:17, 9 May 2007 (PDT)
Its called the sleeping dictionary ;-) --Nickb123 (Talk) 13:46, 14 May 2007 (PDT)
She is a graduate of Seoul National University, which is Korea's top university. So of course she knows English. Koreans learn it starting in middle school and it's part of the college entrance exam. What's implausible is that her husband didn't know. Kauffner 00:50, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Centric episodes

On Sun's page, the episode ...In Translation is listed as Sun centric, but it is actually a Jin episode. I don't think there's any doubt about that, as even on the page for ...In Translation the flashback is listed as Jin's. I suggest the episode be deleted from Sun's flashback list. (bloodcandy 08:29, 21 July 2007 (PDT))

Only 24?

The tombstone in Ji Yeon presumably states she was born in 1980. Now, I'm not saying Sun looks like an old lady or anything, but surely she looks and behaves older than 24? And she certainly doesn't look around 20 during the scenes of her courtship with Jin. Merick 11:14, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

That's exactly what I thought. According to that date, she is younger than Kate. Yunjin Kim is 34.--Baker1000 12:39, 17 March 2008 (PDT)

Something Wrong With Picture

There is something wrong with Sun's main picture. If you go to a number of pages where her face is supposed to be a small id photo it does not show up. Can something be done about this? Thanks! Bringlibbyandcharlieback 11:52, 23 April 2008 (PDT)

defected to the Others now

As she is treated as an Other now on Ajira's, Oceanic's and the Others' portals I think we need to decide whether or not to put her on the Others' template and the Others' category as well, for consistency. --Orhan94 23:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't consider Sun an Other at all - she hasn't willingly become apart of their group, or made any sort of 'commmitment'. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 23:09, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, unless the father-killing part of becoming and Other was only a mind game on Ben's side when Locke was trying to become an Other, I think that we should remove her as a defectee to the Others for now, the same way Ben wasn't a survivor in Season 4 even though he constantly tagged-along with Locke's faction. --Orhan94 23:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Sun is in 2007 because she wanted top go to Jin. Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Jack wanna go to the island. They have no one where they wanna go to. Ben also wanna to find Jin, but the island want him to go to 2007 because has to change things. If he was in 1977 he met himself and than he will going crazy! --Station7 13:53, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I think some how will go The Orchid. She's not far from the station. Maybe (not Sun of course) someone will moving the island and Jin and Sun are reunited.--Station7 13:24, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

How many times have we see Locke and Sun together? In the episode where Sun loose her ring, but I mean more. I mean not season 5 (Jacob's Nemesis). --Station7 07:22, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Lamp Post

We miss her story about going with Jack, Ben, Desmond and Eloise Hawking to go to The Lamp Post. Until we see her at the aiport. It's little be it's information.--Station7 17:49, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Still no information. i don't put there that information, because my English isn't really good and it would be removed.--Station7 22:31, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

The Last Recruit

It wasn't Kate who told Sun about Sawyers plan to steal the boat and abandon the MIB, was it? Kate got angry with Sawyer for not telling her until they were in sight of the Elizabeth. Kate says 'Its crazy to go meet up with that thing.' Sawyer tells her 'were not.' and she gets all mad and asks 'when were you going to tell me?' and Saywers reply is 'now.' Kate couldn't have told Sun because she didn't know yet, I wrote the 6x13 update yesterday, then somebody cut it all apart and put in this incorrect fact, which I had been very careful to leave out. They did add a nice picture thou.

Death...

I may be out of bounds here, but I feel confused. We do not know for sure Jin and Sun are dead. We do know Sayid is, cause well, he had 4 C4 Bricks explode while holding him. Frank we do not know, and his page reflects that. The only thing that supports they are dead is the hands drifting apart. However, the rest is left up to ASSUMPTION. For example, instead of some people assuming that they're dead, I choose to assume something like Frank found more Oxygen tanks, and went back with extras to see if everyone was ok, found Sun and Jin, gave them tanks, then Jin let go of Sun to work with Frank to get the bars off of her. Just because we did not see Frank does not mean he wasn't there. There's many other assumptions that could be the case, so, I'm wondering: Isn't the Wiki jumping the gun by assuming that Jin and Sun are dead? Nothing has been stated as FACT that they are in fact, dead. Myzou 12:29, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

  • TPTB pretty much said they're dead. LeoChris 03:36, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Non-centric Flashback

"...In Translation", it's not Sun's centric, but She appears in Jin's flashbacks. So shouldn't we add the episodes as her non-centric flashback episodes? Actually I did it before, but someone deleted it. - SunHwa:D talk blog contribs 10:27, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is a non-centric flashback for her. BUT it is not a centric flashback in a non-centric episode for her. None of the flashes are from her POV, all of them are Jin-centric and she just appears in them. There's a difference. The term "non-centric flashback" is quite confusing because it does mean a character is in the flashback, but the flashback is not centric to them. This is why I changed it to "non-centric episode(s) featuring flashes" because it means a character has a centric flash in an episode that is not centric to them. The best example - Libby in "Dave". I hope you understand what I'm getting at.--Baker1000 12:25, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
I understood this! At first I didn't know the meaning of POV ;) Thanks for kind explanation :) - SunHwa:D talk blog contribs 13:00, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
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