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THIS IS A SPOILER PAGE

Please stop flooding this page with nonsense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Psk691 (talk • contribs) .

• Please don't shout, sign your comments and don't remove other people's postings. We've asked you politely, so please don't do it again. --Hunter61 10:10, 15 March 2008 (PDT)
• Seriously, don't be a hypocrite. This is a spoiler page, and you just flooded this page with your own nonsense comment. Peterricca 12:22, 1 May 2008 (PDT)

Lost: An American pastime?

"While I don’t think I would call Lost the same sort of great American art, a term that something like The Wire might warrant, I would call it part of the great American pastime, which is an art unto itself. It’s like baseball, with its last minute lineup shifts, great comebacks, the occasional home run—heck, even the strike. You stand up and cheer for it, you boo when your beloved player doesn’t love you back, sometimes you even get bored with it and change the channel. But you always come back to it. Maybe it’s more than an addiction. Maybe it might even be called a little bit like love."

The rest of it here.

Question

• OK, when they announced the "Continuous" spring event, does that mean that they'll show the whole show in some sort of marathon form?
  • I think they mean that they will air Seasons 1 - 3 all over again so that people can catch up, and then show Season 4 as soon as it's finished.--J-- 01:19, 13 March 2007 (PDT)
  • What are you talking about/where did you hear this? I don't know anything about it and am curious, thanks.

Character status

How can they kill of characters if there are going to be flashforwards? Even if they just have flash backs thats gonna make it pretty obvious who dies isnt it?User:01lander/sig

• Easy. Everybody in the future already knows who's dead and who's alive - so they don't ever have to mention names unless the writers want it specifically mentioned. Boloboffin 16:22, 9 June 2007 (PDT)
  • No, I think 01lander means that lets say everyone gets a flashforward except Desmond. Does that mean Desmond doesn't make it off the island and there's no future for him? I've wondered that since the finale too. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 19:18, 9 June 2007 (PDT)
• Easy. The death are in the FF's. From the spoilers I'm now thinking Jin is on the deathlist, after the birth of his child. And now Michael is rumored to commit suicide in his car as well --Hunter61 22:24, 13 December 2007 (PST)
  • • One thing that can't be denied though is that knowing what happens to the characters in the future takes away from the 'Anything can happen at anytime' feel of the show that seasons prior to this one had. Example- Ben getting bashed and battered and us wanting him to be killed, but now we know he's off the island in the future.
• I am guessing that most main character deaths are going to happen in the flash forwards and not "live". They will build them up to make you watch closely. For instance, they have made it difficult to figure out who is in the Hoffs-Drawler coffin. They have left a number of clues to who is inside however.
  • 1) The news article Jack reads.[1] This article mentions that John Lantham of New York dies in Los Angeles.
  • 2) The article mentions that John Lantham is survived by a teenaged son.
  • 3) The neighborhood of the funeral. The funeral is not held in a ritzy neighborhood where the death happens (Tower Lofts at 4300 Grand Avenue). The funeral is rather held in a primarily African American neighborhood.
  • 4) Jack mentioned that he is neither family or a friend of the deceased.
  • 5) Carlton Cuse mentioned in a December 7, 2007 article on SciFiWire that we have met this character before.
  • 6) The news article in Jack's hand also mentions that there was commotion in the loft that led Ted the doorman (not to be confused with Roger Workman) to investigate what was happening in the room. Which character has angered the other Losties on the island? Which character have we met before who could have returned and "saved" them from the island? Based on Jack's wanting to return to the Island in the flash forward, who could they have held responsible for bringing them off the island?
• The answer. I believe the man in the coffin is Michael. I believe that Michael changes his name once he leaves the island to stay under the radar. I believe that he returns to the island this Season with the bad guys. Seeing as they are already upset with him for killing Ana Lucia and Libby, I believe he returns and is the person that lead the bad guys to the island. Seeing as he left and had the coordinates, it is only fitting that he would be the one that returns the bad guys as close as they were. --TFunk 10:06, 29 January 2008 (CST)

About the character deaths, I saw in one of the Season 4 promos a scene where Hurley appears burying a lot of people (about ten graves appear on screen) Since the survivors splitted up and Jack and Hurley will only see each other off the Island, I presume that almost all Team Locke will die.--Benthos 13:17, 22 February 2008 (PST)

No we dont, he is looking at Libbys grave

• Well, he can be looking at Libby's, but there's too many graves around, more than we have seen on Seasons 1 to 3. I'm saying, there will be a massive killing there.--Benthos 13:17, 22 February 2008 (PST)

- All of the graves of people who passed away previously are in the same place. The graves you are seeing are that of Boone, Shannon, Eko, Ana Lucia, etc.

• Yes, I know that, but in the video it seemed like there were more graves than after the Season 3 finale. If the scene I`m talking about is scheduled for the 4th Season, then it seems like more people will die, presumably through Episode 8.Arthur Benthos/Benthos 17:40, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

Not untill 2008!!!

wow,, I almost died at the 5 (May to October) month break between seasons 2 and 3,, I eventually made my self forget about it by having fun in the summer,, but an 8-9 month break (May 2007-Jan/Feb 2008), I can't lie to my self on this one,, I could die,, really :P

I hope that they keep it easy with the cliff hanger at the last episode of season 3.. --mo-- (^Talk | ) 16:16, 17 March 2007 (PDT)

Wow. I mean, I try not to think of the long period without Lost. Agree with you on the cliffhanger. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 16:34, 17 March 2007 (PDT)

• I wonder when they start filming, again? What was the situation before third season? How many months before the first episode? --Hunter61 10:50, 27 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Filming started Early August I believe. First episode was October 4th. I'm curious if they'll start filming at the same time. When does 24 start filming? BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 12:19, 27 April 2007 (PDT)

How will I ever live that long without LOST? I think what I'm going to do is start rewatching old episodes on DVD (for the millionth time). I think if I watched two episodes a week for nine months, that will at least somewhat fix my LOST hunger. -starpatroller

• I have no idea what will occupy my mind now. I'm already in withdrawal after a week. Watching old episodes is a good idea. I may just start back at the beginning of Season 1.--Stripes 12:52, 30 May 2007 (PDT)

Indian Ocean tsunami

What does this have to do with anything, isn't the island in the Pacific Ocean? Marky-Son 07:51, 29 April 2007 (PDT)

Remember: No one ever said they're in the Pacific Ocean... --Aero*Zeppelin 10:34, 29 April 2007 (PDT)

Well, wherever the island is, the tsunami could have some impact on the island... doesn't necessarily mean that a killer wave will hit it or the tides change... would be nice if they incorporate it somehow with an island mystery... --Maith 10:41, 29 April 2007 (PDT)

I have reread the original source and have come to the conclusion that the Tsunami never has been mentioned by the producers at all. So: it is speculation, not a spoiler. --Hunter61 03:04, 30 April 2007 (PDT)

Didn`t they say in the Lost 3x00 episode special that it`s in the Pacific Ocean?

Locke's father confirmed the plane crashed in the Pacific. Marky-Son 12:13, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

Actually, he said they found the plane four miles deep near Bali, or maybe Naomi said that. Regardless, Bali is on the Indian Ocean, but you could also say that it is near the Pacific. Then again, we can't trust what either of them said because we don't know whether or not that's [i]really[/i] where the plane crashed. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bali+Indonesia&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&client=firefox-a&hl=en&cd=9&om=1&ll=-8.494105,115.048828&spn=58.76343,82.265625&z=4&iwloc=addr

I think we should know for certain in the next few episodes if the tsunami will ever have any impact on the show or not. The Constant was, apparently, occurring on Christmas day. Dec. 25th, at least in England, so that should mean it was the 26th near the island, in the pacific. The real life tsunami occurred on the 26th of Dec., I believe. So, it should have happened the day of The Constant, when Des was on the boat making his call to Penny. Now, you could argue there's the time angle or it might somehow take longer for the impacts to reach the island. Since most episodes on the island roughly document a day or two, then I think by the next three episodes it should be clear. If by episode 10 there's been no mention or impacts of the tsunami, I think it's safe to say that the writers have left out that element from the beginning.

Episode Air Dates

We have a premiere date. It's just 16 straight episodes. Shouldn't all dates be filled in? BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 06:53, 21 May 2007 (PDT)

Is the premiere date listed even accurate? 8 Feb 2008 is a Friday. Hilker 11:07, 21 May 2007 (PDT)

Good catch Hilker. Wow. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 15:28, 21 May 2007 (PDT)

Unless someone can provide a source for the premiere date, I think the airdates should be deleted. The main Season 4 page says the airdate hasn't been confirmed, and I think a move to Fridays would have garnered more publicity if true. My guess is that someone misunderstood “February ’08” as “February 8” and ran with it. Hilker 10:11, 22 May 2007 (PDT)

My guess is that Lost will end in the next to last week of sweeps just as it did this year.

• That would mean May 21st as a finale date.
• 15 weeks back would have the first episode on February 6th.
• Alternately, if May 28th is the finale, then the first episode would air February 13th. Boloboffin 01:32, 27 May 2007 (PDT)

I'm still rooting for a, as yet unannounced, christmas-special. It would fit perfectly in the timeline. The production-schedule would allow it as well.--Hunter61 06:15, 9 June 2007 (PDT)

Now I'm seeing the premiere date as Monday, February 4, 2008, at 8pm, with other episodes aligned the same way. Is this even accurate? I haven't heard anything about a possible move to Monday evenings, and moving back to 8 pm doesn't make sense either - won't they be that much more limited in what they can show during the family hour? I kind of like the violent, action packed turn Lost took the past season when it moved to the 10 pm timeslot.

Season 3 spoiler grid format

Does someone know, or can someone remember, the grid formats used in the season 3 spoiler page to replicate here as spoilers are released? I assume the season 3 spoiler page will be deleted after the overseas airing of the finale later this week.

I saw a grid similar to the one at the top of the S3 page at the bottom of this one, but there was also a per-episode one we'll need later on, I suppose. --Jeff 14:52, 23 May 2007 (PDT)

Cast Predictions

Time to start predicting any new "promotions" from "guest-star" to "first-billed" and "demotions". I think Locke will become a guest-star seeing as he just walked away. And Ben had said to Alex something like "so you can be with your people" (or something like that). Maybe Alex will be on the main cast? BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 14:39, 24 May 2007 (PDT)

• I think Locke becomes the leader of the Others (the ones who want to keep the island hidden). Boloboffin 01:35, 27 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Me too. Remember, Ben is now a prisoner of the Losties and the Others are without leadership. Who will go see Jacob for them now?--Stripes 12:48, 30 May 2007 (PDT)

I definitely don't think Alex and Karl will want to go back to the Others, but I also think there will be an uneasy alliance between the castaways and the Others against the Boat People. Richard will probably have a big part in this. If we learn more about the Other's interest in kids then Claire and Aaron will be seen more. Since Danielle has found Alex and may have a flashback this season she'll probably hang out with the Others or Lostaways more. Merick 07:28, 25 May 2007 (PDT)

It looks like Richard Alpert will become a main character from what i've seen!

• I do not anticipate Locke becoming a "guest" character. He'll become a leader of sorts among the Stayers who have lost faith in Ben. I think Rose & Bernard are going to become more prominent, as Rose is a Stayer but Bernard is a Goer, and the conflict between them will get very interesting. Just how prominent, depends on the actors' schedules but I think right now those two have the option of writing their own ticket going into season four, as they are most beloved. Sawyer, Sayid, Hurley, Claire & Jin are on the bubble, as their plot arcs have either already played out to logical conclusions or they desperately need a jumpstart. They're still around cuz they have audience followings, but I don't think the writers really know what to do with them. Juliet, Jack, Kate, Ben, Danielle, Richard, Alex, and Karl will probably become the most prominent roles of the fourth season. Desmond, Jacob, and Walt are the wildcards going into season four. Anything can happen there. 12:33, 27 May 2007 (PDT)

• I do agree with you about Claire. I think that there's nowhere really for her character to go. Throughout Season 3 she didn't really do much, to be honest, which is a shame. Her only real avenue I thought was Charlie, but now he's gone... well, all she's got is Aaron. I imagine that something big will happen with Aaron in Season 4, like an illness or something, as they need to give her something to do! In terms of additions, I reckon Locke will stay (he's too big to be demoted), and Alex and Alpert will be added to the main cast, and maybe Rousseau. I think the whole Alex-Rousseau thing will be VERY interesting this season, and I'm sure Alex will get a flashback. I wanna know why the Others locked Alex up between "Maternity Leave" and "Not in Portland". --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  00:42, 6 June 2007 (PDT)

• Richard will not be a Main character, as Nestor Carbonell (Alpert) is doing another show at this point, so Richard's story will be limited, at least for Season 4. 2:54, 26 January 2008 (PDT)

Season Predictions

I think the major breakdown of the upcoming three seasons will be:

• Season 4 - Jacob and the Temple. The Others under Locke start an all-out war against the survivors of Oceanic 815 and their rescuers. Getting off the Island will not be as easy as calling Naomi's boat.
• Season 5 - Rescue. The Others are defeated, Naomi's group assumes control of the Island, and the survivors are "rescued".
• Season 6 - Going Back. Off-Island, Jack tries to rally the remaining survivors to return and undo what they've done. Boloboffin 01:44, 27 May 2007 (PDT)

I think if flash forwards are utilized, the above descriptors are a breakdown of season four only, and seasons five and six will go even further than that. I mean we will find that "lost" is even more metaphorical than we at first presumed, and when the Losties return to what they think is home, it won't really be home at all. These people have no place in which they can truly feel found. It's plausible that by some point in season four, stories told on the Island will be seen as Flash Backs, and the future storylines will be seen as present day. It's also possible that there are multiple possible futures, and based on what's happening on the Island, some of the Flash Forward stories we see will not happen. ZachsMind 13:15, 27 May 2007 (PDT)

Come to think of it, the Flash Forward is taking place in our present day, while the events on the Island occurred back in ..what was it? 2003? So this idea of the Island storyline being a flashback? Already happening. They've been flashbacks since the second episode, technically. The FlashForward in the season three finale was actually the present storyline, and the Island tale was the Flashback. ZachsMind 13:21, 27 May 2007 (PDT)

New Classification System

One thing that's been bothering me this season is how most fans still cling to the terms "Others," "Hostiles," and "Losties." This no longer qualifies properly. Is Locke still a Lostie? He's not yet an Other, and he's proven himself Hostile. So where does he fall? Is Juliet an Other? Is Richard a Hostile? What's Patchy? Some characters can fall into more than one category and other characters don't fit safely anywhere. As for being lost, in one way or another all these characters are Losties, but generally the phrase "Lostie" is reserved for survivors of the Oceanic 815 airplane crash: synonymous with 815ers. I submit that future descriptors that will perhaps work better are "Stays" and "Goes." Those who consider the Island their home (Stays or Stay-ers) versus those who want to get off the Island (Goes, or Goers). Then there are characters like Naomi, Penny, and "Boat People" that we haven't met. Potential Rescuers and Potential troublemakers for all the Islanders. Each of them may have differing alterior motives regarding those who are on the island. Some of them may be Rescuers, but others may prove to become part of the problem. We'll need to come up with descriptors to simplify communications, or this is just gonna get harder to keep track of and make sense. If we don't do something, we'll have to start calling people like Danielle or Alex Losties, because they're befriending our 815ers. However, Danielle and Alex don't belong in the same group. Danielle is a Stay-er. Alex will probably want to go wherever Karl goes. If the "Stayer/Goer" idea doesn't work, it's plain that we need something, because the current designations are no longer effective. 11:37, 27 May 2007 (PDT) ZachsMind 12:48, 27 May 2007 (PDT)

Well I call Richard and whoever else was there before Dharma "natives". As soon as you add in Ben and whoever else wasn't purged they are "Others". BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 12:24, 27 May 2007 (PDT)

• But do you not see how convoluted that gets? Ben's Dharma. Richard's a Native. They were only Others because we didn't know more detail, but now that WE do, even though they've worked together they obviously have different trajectories in the plot and their interests and motives were only loosely related. They don't belong in the same category. ZachsMind 12:48, 27 May 2007 (PDT)

• I see it like this, there are currently four groups on the island: Losties, the Others, DHARMA, and the rogues. Losties are flight 815 survivors and their confederates (the people they have absorbed such as Desmond and Juliet). The Others are the merger of the hostiles and DHARMA people that want the island for themselves. DHARMA are any of the people still maintaining protocol after the purge (Desmond before joining the Losties). Rogue is just a general term for people who are loosely associated with any of the other groups, but usually live on their own (Danielle). Most of these groups could be broken down even more, but you get the idea. Consequently, I would now label Locke a rogue and Danielle/Karl/Alex as Losties (we can presume Danielle has changed her mind now that she was reunited with her daughter, unless Alex wants to stay on the island too). HelloJohn 15:06, 27 May 2007 (PDT)

• I think they should be labeled according to what they originally were or else it could get very confusing as people seem to be changing sides so often. The survivors of flight 815 should always be listed as such, no matter what side they take later. That is how they came to the island and how they should be known. As for the other groups, I would refer to anyone who is native to the island as such, but as of right now we don't know who that is. Do we know that Richard is a native? Just because he was on the island before Ben doesn't mean he was born there. We have no idea if some other group was bringing people there before Dharma arrived. People we knew first as Dharma, such as the DeGroots and Marvin Candle should be listed as Dharma. And although we found out Ben used to be Dharma, we were introduced to him as one of the Others, so he should stay as such. Danielle and Desmond should be listed as "other castaways" or some similar term that denotes how they came to be there. Depending on how the next season goes, maybe separate groups could be made to denote what "side" they're on - say, a Beach Camp group and a Temple Dwellers group (if that is indeed where the others end up setting up camp). Just some thoughts. It may be too soon to try to figure out where exactly to place a lot of people.--Stripes 11:13, 30 May 2007 (PDT)

I think there are three distinct groups as far as the Island is concerned. One group is protecting the Island from being exploited (heck, even discovered!). One group is trying to discover and exploit the island. And the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815 are trying simply to get off the Island, back to their lives. The survivors have been in conflict with the first group from the very beginning, because their objectives are diametrically opposed. However, as Jack has learned three years in the future, the other group may indeed be the actual bad guys. Therefore I propose the following descriptors for each group:

• The Protectors (the Others, the Hostiles) - seeking at all cost to keep the Island hidden and out of the hands of people who would use its peculiar powers for their own ends. They appear to be a ragtag group composed of various survivors of boat and plane crashes over the years, who have for their individual reasons joined the cause. I don't want to paint these people as saints, because they clearly aren't. Jacob is part of this group, although he may be an unwilling part. Locke is now a member of this group.
• The Exploiters - people we don't know much about right now. I'd suspect a joint venture of corporations like Paik Heavy Industries (constructed the various Hatches for the DHARMA Initiative) and Widmore Industries (support services for the DHARMA Initiative; the Halliburton of the Island) to be the main composition of this group. The Hanso Foundation funded the DHARMA Initiative, but these contractors learn about the Island through Hanso's well-meaning venture, and decide to take over the Island for their own profit. Once this becomes apparent, the Purge occurs. Penny is NOT a part of this group.
• The Survivors (Losties, Tailies, our Heroes) - the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815, who just want to get off the Island and go home. Danielle is a Survivor group of 1. Now that she's been reunited with Alex, she'll probably be happy to bid the Island farewell. To all appearances, Juliet is now a part of this group. Penny can be an honorary member of this group as well, because she just wants Desmond off the Island.

The main mysteries of how these groups interact as I see them now are:

• How do the Protectors manage to get on and off the Island?
• How do the Protectors manage to fake airplane crashes?
• Who exactly are the Exploiters?
• What is the true nature of the relationship between the Protectors and Jacob?
• Will any more of the Survivors question the side they've chosen before the Exploiters "rescue" them? Boloboffin 02:55, 6 June 2007 (PDT)

Flashbacks

I've been wondering how the flashback system will work with only 16 episodes. With 23, the system usually goes like this:

1. Jack 2. Minor character 3. Locke 4-8. Minor characters with loose ends from season 3 9-11. Filler. (Hurley, Sayid etc.) 12. Claire 13. Major plot twist (usually main character) 14. Kate 15. Minor character 16. Juliet 17-19. Major character 20-21. Minor character with shocking or emotional storyline Finale. New or major character.

I'm predicting 2 or 3 flash forwards are in there, another Ben and Danielle

• How can episode 16 "usually" be Juliet when she's only been around for one season?Jimbo the tubby 12:28, 7 June 2007 (PDT)

Season 4 Finale?

Will episode 16 be a 2-hour season finale or is it episode 15 with a 2-hour finale? Because episode 16 as a two parter would 'really' be 17 episodes. 13:45, 09 June 2007

Page Layout

I think the current layout of the Spoilers page is a bit too excessive. The table of contents alone takes up almost a quarter of the page with everything given a different subheading. I think the Season 3 spoiler page, with information sorted into tables (which in this case would be based on the information's category of relevance, rather than episode), was the most effective. It got messy near the end due to lack of organization (mainly inconsistencies of where to put new information), but requiring dated sources and forcing a chronological order of submissions would make the most sense. --TheWoj 14:44, 11 June 2007 (PDT)

Michael Emerson interview

I just added the transcript of a part of the CNI interview in the Main Cast section under Ben. I hope it belongs there. - Roger 08:27, 14 June 2007 (PDT)

Episodes already??

There's no way that much info has already been confirmed or even written by the producers yet.

Whoever added that list of episodes and supposed details is obviously making it up.

Someone needs to remove it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bongo (talk • contribs) .

• They have been removed. -Mr.Leaf 10:08, 19 June 2007 (PDT)

Where are the sources for the Episide titles? I have not seen this info anywhere else. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by marcbjr2 (talk • contribs) .

• The person who added them has a history of making stuff up, based on his contribs. Hugo815 09:31, 25 September 2007 (PDT)

Flash Forwards

When the time comes and the season has aired some flash forwards, we may have to consider color-labeling different episodes as to indicate which episode is flash back and which is flash forward. Again though, we dont have to put a lot of thought into this for another year or so. DeGroot 19:36, 22 June 2007 (PDT)

Cloverfield

If it has any relation to lost, I think it will only be along the lines of, once they get off the island, there is a disaster that can only be solved by returning—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marcusjh (talk • contribs) .

• Just because it is a J.J. Abrams film doesn't mean it has anything to do with Lost. They get off the island, and they release Chthulu, or Godzilla? Highly unlikely. --Marik7772003 11:01, 9 July 2007 (PDT)
  • I only said that if it has anything to do with lost it will be only thematic or metaphorical because on the page, it is implied that the trailer is lost season 4—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marcusjh (talk • contribs) .
    • at first I was really excited that it might be about Lost but the connected videos, websites, games, and blogs seem to have nothing to do with Lost. The theory is that it's about Cthulhu. Sorry guys... i know i want new Lost news too!

Character Flashback

I thought that it would be pretty easy to do a Libby flashback episode. Hurley finds Libby's suitcase in the jungle. Inside the suitcase is a diary going back many years. As he reads the diary, we see Libby's life unfold... with a shocking ending leading up to Flight 815 of course! Bartmcqueary 20:48, 14 July 2007 (PDT)

Assuming Cyntia Watros actually came back to do it (which I REALLY hope she does). Jimbo the tubby 00:06, 15 July 2007 (PDT)

Station 6 Orientation Video

So we've got some new orientation footage to pick apart. The voices at the start of the clip - just background hubbub or is there something else there? Backwards? Sixtyten 14:38, 30 July 2007 (PDT)

Deleted spoiler

The following spoiler has been removed from the page with explanation "Not true," says Carlton Cuse. Any source?? --   Steff    talk    contribs    email   14:01, 11 August 2007 (PDT)

Peter Stormare

8-3-07: DarkUFO

Peter Stormare, known for his portrayal of John Abruzzi in Prison Break, has been offered role on Lost. He is offered a role for only one season and has only 1 month (till September) to decide. This role may be Russell.

• Found it :)) --   Steff    talk    contribs    email   15:37, 11 August 2007 (PDT)

Table view?

The episode sections recently were made into tables, just like last year, and I prefer the table format to the lists. Could the other sections be made into tables too? I made a quick mock-up here. >: 4 8 15 16 23 42 08:02, 23 August 2007 (PDT)

• I agree that it'd look better as a table. Right now, I find it impossible to know where a new spoiler's been posted, and it's confusing. As for your mock-up, looks good, but I'm not sure about some of the table bits being centralised. --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  09:03, 23 August 2007 (PDT)

I've now uncentered the tables. Does it look any better? Could anything else be done? >: 4 8 15 16 23 42 12:25, 23 August 2007 (PDT)

Feedback / help needed

I've finally started to rework the spoilers into tables. See the Main cast paragraph, as an example. This has two main advantages.

• it fits the Lostpedia:Spoiler Policy (proposed)
• it gets rid of the long summary

I would like to have your opinion on the readability. Maybe somebody can improve on the outlook? I don't have enough knowledge to do that. For example I would like to have proscribed widths for each column, to establish a quiet type page --Hunter61 00:56, 24 February 2008 (PST)

press release for 4x02 is up at ABC

This is the guest cast list:

Guest starring are Ken Leung as Miles, Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Mira Furlan as Danielle Rousseau, Tania Raymonde as Alex, Blake Bashoff as Karl, Marsha Thomason as Naomi, Lance Reddick as Matthew Abaddon, Jill Kuramoto as female anchor, Necar Zadegan as translator, Azure McCall as Mrs. Gardner and Kanayo Chiemelu as African/Tunisian man. Dharmatel4 17:17, 18 January 2008 (PST)

Major spoiler removed

By request of the administrators, I've removed the major spoiler about episode 4x04. This is done because the legality of the original source is doubtful. To avoid trouble with ABC this is the best course, lets not make a big deal. We can live without it, because other sources are already implying the same thing. --Hunter61 21:07, 21 January 2008 (PST)

12-1-07: Trailer for Season 4

• Someone that looks alot like Christian Shephard is in one of the season 4 trailers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ou7cWOTXJs - If you pause it at 1 minute 3 seconds you may see what I mean. Please tell me if it doesn't look like him because my mind is racing with theories now. User:Benelliott

Ya i beleive it is him and the reason locke doesnt have a plan yet is because in the first episode of season 4 ben told locke that you dont go to see jacob. Jacob comes to see you.

User:Brodsman14

Site traffic

An amazing growth of page-views. The Season 4 spoiler page already has more views than Season 3 had at the end of the season! --Hunter61 09:38, 1 February 2008 (PST)

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photos

The 4x02 photos are up at ABC. Dharmatel4 15:02, 1 February 2008 (PST)

Duff spoiler?

This sounds like a totally bum-steer: "There *is* a time gap between the island and the "real world," but it is not as long as people think. It is like 31 seconds." If this were true how could Charlie have had a real-time conversation with Penelope?? --Bagpuss 01:18, 6 February 2008 (PST)

I agree, sounds a bit odd. If there is a time gap of some small random amount like this, surely it would be one of the numbers, eg. 23 seconds, or 15 minutes? --Lostie247 20:34, 10 February 2008 (PST)

31=23+8 if you don't know maths -- User:Orhan94 11:01,13 February 2008 (PST)

Orhan - a) That's just rude, and b) It's a hell of a stretch. If there's one thing that numerology tells us it's that you can read anything you want into any given number or set of numbers if you're prepared to try hard enough.--Bagpuss 02:35, 13 February 2008 (PST)

How about 15 + 16? Jdray 09:37, 22 February 2008 (PST)

--Egg head16 12:48, 30 April 2008 (PDT)Maybe time on the island is just multiplied. That way, if you are using electricity like with charlie talking to penny, or radio waves with faraday using morse code, the difference in the speed of light doesn't change enough to notice.

I think the gap is longer because in 4x07 kate says theve been gone for 4 days and also in that episode sayid said its been 3 days weve been on this boat. so ho i think the longer youre off the island the bigger the time gap gets. User:Brodsman14

Events between Episodes 4 & 8

OK so it's been revealed that there's a major death after Episode 4 but before Episode 8. There are a few clues around that I have noticed which I will list here.. feel free to add to it.

• Elizabeth Mitchell said that she cried about something that happens in the Episode 7 script, which is a Jin / Sun flashforward episode, in which Sun is filmed at a funeral. So maybe Jin dies?
• It has been revealed via spoilers that off-island Kate is raising Aaron, and in Episode 7 someone gets pushed out of a helicopter. Perhaps Claire & Aaron get into the helicopter as foreseen by Desmond, then Claire gets pushed out?
• The death is of an original 815er, leaving both Jin & Claire as possibilities.
• It was mentioned that this major death differs in one significant way to the other deaths. This could mean that someone (Jin) dies in a flashforward, which hasn't happened yet. --Lostie247 15:18, 20 February 2008 (PST)
  • Thought it might be Claire, but consider this; the writers have said that in season 4, Claire and Jack learn of their relationship and connection to each other. So, if the death is occurring in episode 7, that's going to mean that Jack and Claire have to somehow encounter one another AND it has to come up, but as of The Other Woman, it doesn't look like Jack is heading to the Barracks any time soon. --[[User:KamatariSeta}KamatariSeta]]

Sorry just to add one more slight variation on the above..

• The producers were asked how they could kill characters off now that we also have Flashforwards, and they responded that maybe some characters would die within Flashforwards. Hence this likely points to Jin, as it's almost certain now that the death is in Episode 7, which is a Jin / Sun Flashforward episode. --Lostie247 19:52, 2 March 2008 (PST)
  • I don't think Jin dies because on his grave they put that his death was the day of the flight. So i think he might get stuck on the island because they did not have enough room on the helicopter.
    • Mmm could be a few possibilities. But the producers did explicitly say that there was a "major death" occuring, so it would kinda be weird to then reveal again later that he lives. Perhaps he dies during the "leaving the island" period, and as part of the Oceanic 6 cover story they have to say that he died in the crash, which explains the date.

Plot twist

• Wow, interesting reveal in the latest sneak peak. Minkowski is experiencing the same "jumps" that Desmond does. That explains why he sometimes can't come to the telephone. --Hunter61 22:22, 22 February 2008 (PST
  • Maybe that's why Charlotte and Daniel didn't want to speak to Minkowski. Whatever he learns he could take into the past and alter the timeline.
• Speaking of the sneak peak, did I see a short-haired Desmond ask a gun-weilding Sayid "But why do I have to die!?" I may have been mistaken, but could this mean Desmond is a target in the future for Sayid and Ben? --macosx 22:55, 24 February 2008 (PST)
  • It's not Sayid, it's a long haired Faraday. Gran2 23:10, 24 February 2008 (PST)

I still dont get why sayid ends up working for ben when in 4x08 sayid sais michael is a traitor for working for ben and killing his own people? User:Brodsman14

Same actor

There's a William P. Ogilivie listed as a guest star for episode 8 ... When I entered the name into imdb (looking for any spoilers I can get anyway I can get, lol) it seemed to think he was the same Bill Ogilvie that gues starred in Season 3's "Left Behind" episode. But: notice the different spelling of the last name. I didn't type in the word Lost when searching imdb, only the actor's name ... so there's a chance we have another flashback cross coming up. I did NOT link the actor's name in the press release to the pre-existing Lostpedia page because I'm still not 100% certain it's the same actor, but just thought I'd float that out there. --Jeff 19:09, 3 March 2008 (PST)

• Bill Ogilvie's imdb page lists other names as "William P Ogilvie". That makes the two names even closer, I think you are right Icemanjeff. Proabably a typo in the abcmedianet press release.Wikistoriographer 11:57, 4 March 2008 (PST)

Dates of spoliers

Is there any reason why the spoilers aren't in chronological order? it's really annoying to find you've missed something because it's been stuck halfway down. If there's not a reason, I'm happy to fix this... Thedarxide 14:05, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

I agree, it's a bit weird how they're in different orders. I can't think of a reason for them to not be in order. --Lostie247 21:21, 11 March 2008 (PDT)

Thank you to whoever fixed it :) Thedarxide 03:10, 12 March 2008 (PDT)

That was I. Unfortunately it seems as though people are continuing to put new spoilers in, but not in date order :P So now I'll go fix it again. --Lostie247 20:43, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

Reason for dates out of order: logical cohesion and readiblity. --Hunter61 22:51, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

I guess that's a valid point, but I think it makes it hard to see if you've missed new spoiler information when they're all out of date order --Lostie247 03:16, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

New info

The latest official podcast with Damon and Carlton had some things that might need adding to in the spoilers section. One the Arrow station will be revisited, and two the smoke monster's return. --The Cartographer 14:16, 11 March 2008 (PDT)

Reappearance of a location

Are we still expecting to see The Orchid this season now it is shorter? If so then it should be at least mentioned in the article. Kidburla 05:37, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

According to Damon and Carlton in the latest official podcast, the Orchid will appear this season and is central to the story.--The Cartographer 19:41, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

The season finale

It says that the season finale will be a two-hour finale split over two weeks. Does this mean that part one is 4x12 and part two is 4x13, or does it mean that 4x13 itself is a double-length episode meaning there are "actually" 14 episodes in the season? Kidburla 05:37, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

Someone changed this page to say that 4x12 and 4x13 are the finale. Is there any source for this? From Damon and Carlton's comments, I was under the impression that 4x13 was being aired over two weeks. So there would actually be six hours of new material over six weeks, but the final two would be considered one episode (two parts of the same script). I don't think the way it's listed on here now is correct, but I thought I'd ask if anyone has more information before I mess with it. --Compossible 12:04, 17 March 2008 (PDT)

I also thought that it was a bit strange that the information had been added without any source. It should probably be removed. Kidburla 15:16, 17 March 2008 (PDT)

Some more information on this: the producers stated that 4x09 will air on April 24th ([2]). At one episode per week, this would mean that episode 13 airs on May 22nd. Now, the producers stated that the 2-hour season finale was supposed to air on May 22nd (same link) - but due to Grey's Anatomy, it will be split into two parts. Putting all that together, we have that episode 13 was originally supposed to air in 2 parts. Therefore, I think Compossible above is correct, and that the second hour of the finale will be the 14th broadcast hour of the season, or "4x14" (though it may not officially be called that). Does everyone agree with this logic? Kidburla 16:13, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

I agree, Kidburla. --The Cartographer 16:56, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

Sounds good to me. Thanks for finding that information, Kidburla. I was pretty sure I'd read that somewhere, but couldn't find it when I looked. --Compossible 17:41, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

I see your logic. I really, really hope you're right, although DarkUFO doesn't seem to agree with you [3]. But he has been wrong before. Anyway, I've added the info from UGO to the main page, because a lot of people will be wondering about this. --Hunter61 00:25, 19 March 2008 (PDT)

The thing is, if the DarkUFO link you post above was accurate, then why would the Grey's Anatomy finale have caused a problem with the finale schedule? They would have just been able to air the full 2-hour finale on May 15th. By the way I have checked and the Grey's Anatomy finale is definitely billed for May 22nd, which backs up my point. Kidburla 08:45, 19 March 2008 (PDT)

Math

Reading the UGO-article again, I come to the conclusion that there are some contradictory statements in it:

Carlton: "The important thing is that the 5 hours of the show we have left to write are really going to allow us to end the season and sort of finish the season the way we wanted to."

This would point to the finale being episode 12 and 13, not 14 and 14. --Hunter61 01:08, 19 March 2008 (PDT)

Damon: "At the end of this season we will have written 85 hours of the show"

Season 1 - 22 (24 hours) - 2 hour pilot and finale
Season 2 - 22 (23 hours) - 2 hour finale
Season 3 - 22 (23 hours) - 2 hour finale
Season 4 - 13 (13 or 14 hours)

This ads up to 83 or 84 hours, not 85 --Hunter61 01:08, 19 March 2008 (PDT)

Slight mistake, there - Season 1 was 25 "hours" not 24 (comprising: 2-hour pilot (normally marked as 1x01 and 1x02), the episodes "Tabula Rasa" through to "Born to Run" (total of 20 1-hour episodes) and "Exodus" (1-hour first part and 2-hour second part making 3 hours in total)). Season 2 contained 24 hours not 23 ("Man of Science, Man of Faith" through to "Three Minutes" is 22 1-hour episodes, and "Live Together, Die Alone" was 2 hours) so a total of 72 hours across seasons 1-3, making 85 or 86 hours in total (still contradicts my above points, but we will see! Let's be optimistic for the time being) Kidburla 08:45, 19 March 2008 (PDT)

Season 1 - 24 episodes (25 hours)
Season 2 - 23 episodes (24 hours)
Season 3 - 22 episodes (23 hours)
Season 4 - 13 episodes (13 hours)

Thx for the corrections. This now ads up to 85 hours. I think we should remove "episode 14" from the main page. All other sites seem to agree we are cheated of another hour of Lost, as well. --Hunter61 03:17, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

I know I've already said this (above), but I really need to re-iterate it as it is an important point. If there were 13 hours in the season then the Grey's Anatomy finale would not have caused a problem with scheduling. Now, while it is perfectly possible that Damon/Carlton made an error with the numbers (for example, saying 85 rather than 86), I think it is much less likely that they made a mistake with a concrete fact, like "we had to split the finale into two parts due to the Grey's Anatomy finale". So while there certainly is evidence to support a 13-hour season, it just doesn't make sense in the context of what the producers said about the reason for the scheduling change. Kidburla 08:48, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

It makes sense that there would be 14 hours this season, for the reasons Kidburla gave. But Hunter61 is also right to point out that there is a lot of contradictory information going around. Maybe we could compromise on the main page for the time being, remove 4x14, but also not say that 4x12 is the first part of the finale. Just have a note for 4x13 saying that it will air in two parts, and it is currently unknown what exactly that means. How does that sound? I won't change it just yet in case someone has a better idea. --Compossible 16:00, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

Yeah I guess that is probably okay. Until we get some actual concrete information which we know is specific to 4x14, we don't need a separate section for 4x14. Perhaps put a note as well about the fact that there is contradictory information going around about whether there will be a 14th episode to the season. Kidburla 17:16, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

Done. Hopefully this will be satisfactory for everyone until we get confirmation one way or the other. --Compossible 21:45, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

Nice, I'm happy with that. It is the most honest thing to do. It's also what we would call a 'polder-solution' in Dutch. --Hunter61 21:52, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

Episode 4x11

Any supporting information as to why this episode is speculated to be Ben-centric?

PS - it would be awesome for another Ben episode! --Lostie247 21:26, 17 March 2008 (PDT)

I'm thinking now that maybe Episode 11 will be Daniel / Charlotte centric... from the casting calls, the descriptions of the teenage actors seem to match these two characters. Just a hunch.. --Lostie247 20:32, 29 March 2008 (PDT)

I'm pretty confident this will be locke-centric. and i cant wait!!!!--moss ryder 00:36, 5 April 2008 (PDT)

Yep, definitely looks now to be Locke-centric. The red head will be Emily Locke. And Richard Alpert appears! --Lostie247 17:06, 7 April 2008 (PDT)

Character status/off-island

A previous version of this page cited DarkUFO ([4]) as saying that Jin was one of the Oceanic Six. This link has now been removed. I know that it appears from "Ji Yeon" that Jin died on the day of the crash in the real world, but apparently it appeared that everyone died on the day of the crash (as stated by Anthony Cooper and Naomi). I think it is reasonable to still assume that Jin is one of the Oceanic Six, unless there is information to the contrary. Kidburla 15:24, 17 March 2008 (PDT)

DarkUFO now states that his source for the previous spoiler watched an incomplete version of "Ji Yeon", and thus wasn't aware of the end twist that reveals that Jin is considered "dead". His source now claims that Aaron is the sixth member of the O6.SOURCE--Nevermore 05:09, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

During the end of show preview after "Meet Kevin Johnson", the ABC narrator states, "All of the Oceanic 6 survivors have been revealed", while flashes of Jack, Sayid, Sun, Hurley, Aaron, and Kate are shown on-screen. At this time, I see no reason why this list of names should not be considered canonical proof of the Oceanic 6. --Amcq1010 16:12, 22 March 2008 (PDT)

What about richard why does he look the exact same age as when ben was a boy when he first met him.

Confirmation from DarkUFO

Aaron was confirmed yesterday by DarkUFO as being one of the Oceanic 6. So can we please put him as a member people this no longer an issue.--The Cartographer 10:01, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

How was it confirmed by them? Where did they get their infomation from? No, this is still an issue. DarkUFO has no official contacts with the writers of LOST or ABC, so everything from them is fan speculation. They are an excellent fan source, but a poor official one. Until someone in the show says "Aaron is a member of the Oceanic six!" or one of the writers do on their podcast, we need to wait and see what happens. dposse 11:40, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

I agree that DarkUFO cannot be cited as a source, but in the latest podcast Darlton claim that we would know the O6 after Ji Yeon. I assume that this statement implies it would be easy for the casual viewer to know who they are and thus Aaron is one of them. --MacCutcheon – Talk? 11:46, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

I added a section about this the other day, and someone apparently deleted it from the discussion page.--Nevermore 12:04, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

(EDIT CONFLICT) That statement is extremely vague. That statement could've meant that Ben was a member. All we have is assumptions and speculation. Why don't we trying getting a question to the next podcast? That might help clear up the confusion. dposse 12:08, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

That'd require signing up to ABC.com, which in turn requires providing a lot of personal information I'm just not willing to share with a corporate conglomerate.--Nevermore 12:29, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

Haha. Conspiracy theorists are amusing. What are they gonna do, spam your inbox to death? They have filters for that kind of thing. You could always lie about your personal infomation. dposse 12:33, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

Not everything the producers say in the podcasts is true/accurate/serious. Heck, they're talking about episodes they wrote months ago, while they're in the process of re/writing the rest of the season into five epsiodes; they might have misremembered which bit is in which ep. Also, as they explained in recent podcast, the only thing that's truly canon is what's on screen. Not even the podcasts. - Tvb 18:40, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

I'm pretty sure that if they tell us who the final member of the Oceanic 6 is we can take their word on it. --Mapleleaf50 20:17, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

It's more that what they promise as teasers can't necessarily be taken at face value. For example, I don't expect to actually see Season 5: Deck Collapse. :) - Tvb 20:38, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

You mean there isn't going to be a zombie season??! dangit!--JoeyBags1138 21:12, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

So, you guys don't know the difference between sarcasm and seriousness? I think the idea that the writer's don't know what they are talking about their own show that they create is retarded. They created the show. They created the mythology. So, logically, they know what the hell is going on. the "do not trust this podcast" was a sarcastic joke. They make alot of jokes that's mixed up with actual facts. I'm sorry you fell for the joke. Anyway, i still think the best way to solve this issue is to either get a question in to the writers on their podcast or wait until we see someone mention Aaron as a member of the Oceanic Six on the tv show. dposse 07:43, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

Read what I said: "they might have misremembered which bit is in which ep." That's not the same as saying they don't know their own show. I didn't "fall for" anything, because I always err on the side of skepticism. I would maintain that if you can tell with 100% accuracy when they're kidding, when they're being frank, when they're not telling the whole truth, and when they're being deliberately misleading, then you have better people-reading skills than most. (And you knew the minute you saw Jin in Korea in "Ji Yeon" that you were seeing a flashback.) They are entertainment professionals, and it is part of their job to keep us guessing. And yes, the way to answer the question is to wait and see. - Tvb 07:58, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

On the February 28th podcast, Damon says "Well I think by the end of episode 7 it will be very clear as to who the Six are. We don't mean to be cutesy about the Oceanic Six." A few lines before, he specifically remembers that the first five minutes of The Other Woman will reveal if Juliet is one of them. So I think he is pretty well aware of what is in episodes they wrote months ago. But if you still want to wait, be my guest. Carlton confirms right before that quote that they'll list them explicitly after the eight episode if there are still questions. By the way, if you don't want to listen to the podcast, there's also a transcript available here (search for 'oceanic'). --MacCutcheon – Talk? 13:31, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

Right, because carefully leading the viewers on for 90% of "Ji Yeon" to think that Jin was one of the O6 isn't at all "being cutesy". :) Maybe they thought it would be crystal clear as soon as they revealed that he was "dead", but I don't think they achieved that clarity. - Tvb 15:22, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

The problem with Lost is that you can never, ever, have enough clarity. There could be a very simple, totally straightforward plot point with no major twist at the end, and people who are so used to having plot twists will absolutely insist that we don't know for sure yet, and a twist might yet occur. I mean, some people were debating whether Sayid was one of the Oceanic 6 despite saying so onscreen, because he might have been lying.--Nevermore 01:37, 17 March 2008 (PDT)

And just to add to the confusion, I was just catching up on the video podcasts, and in the Feb. 15 installment, Naveen Andrews refers to Ben as one of the O6. Not that the actors are authoritative sources about the plot (they find out what's happening each episode when they get the script), but he's better placed than most. - Tvb 14:15, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

Actually, he says "HE" is in the O6, but he's clearly referring to Sayid. --Minderbinder 14:34, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

• And it's doubtful that Ben could pass himself off as one of the passengers since the manifest has surely been released, and in the age of computers and internet, the list would most likely have been posted online (within Lost "world"). -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 00:00, 21 March 2008 (PDT)

Daughter of a character

On the official press release, it says "Ben urges daughter Alex"... does this mean that Ben is Alex's father? (i.e. Ben = Robert)? Kidburla 09:04, 19 March 2008 (PDT)

• I'm not sure that this assumption could be made - we know rough idea of Ben's history on the Island. Unless Danielle is either completely bonkers or a compulsive liar, I don't think Ben is Robert. --Lostie247 14:10, 19 March 2008 (PDT)

• Ben is Alex' adoptive father and considers her his daughter. We don't even know yet when Alex actually learned that he isn't her real father. The press release could very well just reflect that.--Nevermore 14:22, 19 March 2008 (PDT)

No. Ben has referred to Alex as his daughter throughout their interactions together. That's a faulty assumption, sorry. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 00:01, 21 March 2008 (PDT)

Youtube preview for 4x09

I can't remember where we put these, but here's the preview for 4x09 that was shown after 4x08 [5] -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 04:35, 21 March 2008 (PDT)

The link to the YouTube page is given here: [6], additionally this episode is apparently "speculated" to be called 'Bakir', but I don't know if anyone has a source for this. Kidburla 11:27, 21 March 2008 (PDT)

Unless I'm mishearing, right at the end of the new podcast the saw episode 9 will be called "The Shape of Things to Come". Might want to check this in case I'm wrong. Gran2 11:34, 21 March 2008 (PDT)

4x09 title from podcast?

In the post-"Meet Kevin Johnson" podcast, Damon and Carlton refer to the next episode as "The Shape of Things to Come", but the way they say it, it could simply be a phrase, not a title. But then, at the end of the podcast, Kris White explicitly repeats that phrase as if it was the title of the episode.--Nevermore 11:43, 21 March 2008 (PDT)

Wording of a finale spoiler

I thought there was a spoiler theory page but I can't find it; I noticed the phrase "leave you ballistic". I read, months ago, a comment by a user that they had seen some videos on the Internet, and one involved Ben destroying the freighter with a missle from the temple. I assumed it was nonsense, but it's a bit of a coincidenece. Thoughts? Thedarxide 11:45, 10 April 2008 (PDT)

Well it's unlikely that's true, since they haven't even started filming the finale yet. If this does happen, then it would be a cool coincidence. Gran2 12:43, 10 April 2008 (PDT)

Another hour to be produced

Watch with Kristin Clover 16:22, 11 April 2008 (PDT)

That's good news, but what can we say now? Is it going to be:

1. a 13-episodes season, whose last episode is a two-hour one (like this episode), or
2. a 14-episodes season, with one-hour episodes only? And, in both cases, what about next two seasons? Will they have two or three more episodes? Do we still have to wait for news from the producers? Simone85 13:23, 12 April 2008 (PDT)

Centric episodes THIS SEASON

Is it true? No Sawyer or Claire centric episodes this season? Why? 13 episodes are more than enough for 13 main characters(1.Jack, 2.Kate, 3.Sawyer, 4.Locke, 5.Ben, 6.Sayid, 7.Sun\Jin, 8.Juliet, 9.Claire, 10.Hurley, 11.Desmond, 12.Freighters, 13.Michael). See.--Orhan94 01:06, 16 April 2008 (PDT)

• Honestly, I'm glad they focused on how Sayid came to work for Ben this season, rather than another backstory on Sawyer or Claire. How much more could we learn that would add to anything? Another con job by Sawyer? Another cry episode from Claire's unhappy life? I think they are moving foreward now, and to do it, they can't focus on characters they haven't shown (yet) make it to the future. Besides, it was the writer's strike throwing a spanner in the works to shortchange us. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 07:36, 25 April 2008 (PDT)
• But still, you have to admit that it's pretty unfair that a main cast member from the beginning (Claire) has only had 3 centric episodes (one of which took place on the island), while Juliet (who just came last season) has had just as many centric episodes!!! Don't get me wrong, Juliet's great, but still, there's a lot left of Claire's story.OrangeXenon54 04:45, 29 April 2008 (PDT)

Finale code name

I wonder if 'frozen donkey wheel' could mean something along the lines of 'cool-a** turn/twist/spin'? Just a thought I had trying to figure out what it meant, cause I'm sure its not just really random words. --Thenumbersdude 18:46, 25 April 2008 (PDT)

• According to the producers, it's just really random words. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 06:26, 30 April 2008 (PDT)

• The flash-forward twist from the season 3 finale was code-named "The rattlesnake in the mailbox", so...--Nevermore 12:25, 13 May 2008 (PDT)

Episode 4x13

The name is of this episode is, yet again, a reference to The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. At the end of the book Dorothy follows Glinda's instructions to "tap your heels together and repeat the words, 'There's no place like home'." After this, she awakens in her bedroom in Kansas surrounded by family and friends and tells them of her journey. Everyone laughs and tells her it was all a bad dream, except Uncle Henry, who says seriously "Of course we believe you, Dorothy." In the movie, a happy Dorothy, still convinced the journey was real, hugs Toto and says the last line of the movie, "There's no place like home."

• Are you trying to say that's what is going to happen? Because, it could. Lost is full of mystery.
• Actually, the way the book ended was that she used the silver slippers (which were changed to ruby in the movie), which sped her across the uncrossable desert that surrounds Oz and back to Kansas. She didn't wake up in a bed of any kind, and the family reunion is very brief, with Dorothy just saying that she came back from the land of Oz and that she's happy to be home again. What you described was how the movie ended.

Removing filming details from Episode 11

I'm removing this from the article.

"That same day scenes were recorded high in the mountains. They were filming an on-island scene along Manoa Falls Trail, complete with mysterious DHARMA door in the grassy hillside. Josh Holloway (Sawyer), Emilie DeRavin (Claire), Daniel Dae Kim (Jin), Yunjin Kim (Sun), Rebecca Mader (Charlotte) and Jeremy Davies (Daniel) were all traipsing through the jungle."

Seems that this happened in Episode 10. Anyone oppose? FralfTC 10:33, 2 May 2008 (PDT)

I appose. It says that Josh and Emilie were the too, but if you watched the episode they weren't with the group that went to the medical station. Also, if they were shooting the two different groups (the Medical station trekkers, and Sawyers group) wouldn'tMiles have been mentioned? On these grounds I say keep it. --The Cartographer 12:43, 2 May 2008 (PDT)

I thought that at first, but all it said was that they were filming in the Jungle, but didn't say they were together. Plus, the Beach group is back on the beach. FralfTC 18:40, 2 May 2008 (PDT)

New Logo?

I was watching the first sneak peek (from the Jimmy Kimmel show) for Cabin Fever on DarkUFO's blog, and in it Locke takes Hurley to the mass grave. After showing one body the camera pans to another, and on its breast is a DHARMA logo but the inner circle is totally black. I stilled it and looked at it carefully and found that it wasn't the Temple, or the regular DHARMA logo (which is what the first body had as a logo). Can someone get a pic of it and post it here? I don't know how. --The Cartographer 13:18, 3 May 2008 (PDT)

• 

Here you go. I'm very certain this is the Pearl logo with an inverted color scheme. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 13:40, 3 May 2008 (PDT)

Thanks for posting it. I doubt it's the Pearl though. Because every single time we've seen The Pearl logo it has been with a white center. The same goes for the other DHARMA logos, none to my knowledge have been inverted, save for the outer circle of the logo.--The Cartographer 16:15, 3 May 2008 (PDT)

Note on editing...

Please make sure you use the preview button before saving changes.. a couple of the tables were all out of whack and just had to be fixed up. Please check what you're doing before hitting the "Save" button. Thanks :) --Lostie247 15:57, 11 May 2008 (PDT)

Episode 12 character casting detail from ABC press release

"Susan Duerden as Carole Littleton"? Does this mean that Claire's mother will get a speaking role in the finale? As compared to the non-speaking extra portraying her in "Par Avion"?--Nevermore 12:28, 13 May 2008 (PDT)

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Due to DarkUFO spoiling it for everyone in an effort to get more AdSense cash, I have protected the spoiler page, so Lostpedia isn't responsible for propogating the spoiler further.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  01:43, 16 May 2008 (PDT)

Which spoiler policy was violated? --Jackdavinci 03:14, 16 May 2008 (PDT)

ridiculous, you've just locked the third most popular Lostpedia page ever ‎(1,091,163 views). Spoilers are spoilers, and we have a policy for that. Locking this page isn't part of that policy. --Hunter61 03:18, 16 May 2008 (PDT)

If people don't want spoilers then they won't read the page. Also, your statement is completely factually inaccurate - "spoiling it for everyone" - he's not spoiling it for me, I love spoilers. So your argument is void. And if you actually, truely believe that Dark posts spoiler to get "more AdSense cash" then you are seriously mistaken. I suggest you read some of his comments on the main page post. Gran2 07:33, 16 May 2008 (PDT)

Dude bad idea. If people want to see spoilers then let them. That's why this page was created so that those of us who like to read spoilers could come here and read them without spoiling it for others who don't wish to know.--The Cartographer 08:36, 16 May 2008 (PDT)

• I am into spoilers and visit this page regularly. But I will not be reading the synopsis for the finale because that's a major spoiler. I think that's why this page is protected. Spoilers like casting calls or previews are fine, but whole synopsis aren't welcomed. I'm sure many people who enjoy spoilers will not be reading what Dark has posted.

And Dark is not doing this for AdSense.BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 08:51, 16 May 2008 (PDT)

I agree with Plkrtn. TPTB are opposed greatly to spoilers like this, and I believe that Lostpedia should not post them, and should remain neutral. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  09:07, 16 May 2008 (PDT)

• Spoilers are spoilers... but this is the season finale, and we want to respect the wishes of TPTB.If you want this spoiler, you know DarkUFO will ruin the whole fan/crew interaction thing by breaking the production team's trust in the fan sites over at http://darkufo.blogspot.com - and forcing them once again into a complete radio silence... we aren't going to do it. We love this show, and we believe in the power of story telling, not ruining it by blabbing rumours all over the web. With one episode left, being the big finale and the cliffhanger, we can wait till Season 5's spoiler page starts getting hits again. Its not about the hits at the end of the day, its about doing what is right. Shame Dark can't see past the AdSense Dollars and the weekend of non stop promotional material about this spoiler.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  11:48, 16 May 2008 (PDT)

• Personally I think we should reconsider even having this spoiler page in existence. We have a much better organized way of discussing spoilers on our forums. Users there are able to minimize the spoilers forum thus hiding any threads that might spoil them. The wiki should stay encyclopedic and not contain spoilers of this nature. For the time being, this page should remain locked. Here's a link to the Lostpedia Spoilers Forum.   Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 13:24, 19 May 2008 (PDT)