Season 4 Trailer:

Cast list

Why was the cast list on this page changed to credited order from order of appearances? Seasons 1-3 have always listed the cast in order of appearances, why should season 4 be any different? --Jeff 22:50, 4 June 2008 (PDT)

Locked page

Why can't we create a locked page on Season 4? Princess Dharma (banned)

You're right, I'll change the template since we are starting to add some content. The page does need to remain locked.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 10:43, 7 March 2007 (PST)
Can we at least put on this page that Season 4 has been confirmed? --Blueeagleislander 00:56, 8 March 2007 (PST)


Why isn't this episode (air date 4/24/2008) included in the overview?

17 members of cast in Episode 1

According to the credits in Episode 1 of Season 4, there are 17 members of cast; All actors are cast for the following regular characters: Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Locke, Claire, Desmond, Juliet, Ben, Sun, Jin, Sayid. Then Harold Perrineau is credited (Michael), as is Jeremy Davies (new character/Faraday), Ken Leung (new character/Miles) and Rebecca Mader (new character/Charlotte). Dominic Monaghan is also credited as a starring member of cast, for Charlie. Therefore, should the cast list be updated on the main page??? ~ Unfortunate

  • Yes, it should totally be edited. Do it now, you-who-are-allowed-to-do-it, now! Yeah, and Dominic is definitely not a regular, Charlie's dead. He should be credited as a special guest star or something. But please, update the cast with the newest 4 additions already! ~ Remus Lupin
Its not at all clear that any of those four are actual members of the cast. The press releases before and AFTER the 4x01 DO NOT list them as regulars. Dharmatel4 14:18, 3 February 2008 (PST)
Yeah I was wondering about that. My only thinking is that since Ken Leung and Rebecca Mader haven't appeared onscreen yet and Jeremey Davies has barely appeared for like 3 seconds at the time the press releases were released, maybe ABC was asked by TPTB not to list them as regulars yet, so as not to tip their hand? I suppose we'll have to wait and see, maybe after their episode airs they'll be listed in the appropriate spots of the future press releases. I was under the impression that they were contract actors. As for Dominic Monaghan, I think that once the list with the episode count goes up like the other pages (as in Mathew Fox as Jack Shepherd (16/16)) That he should be listed there, Dominic Monaghan as Charlie Pace (1/16) or (1/how manyepisodes we actually get) because he was still listed as a regular in his regular position and it was consecutive to his last previous appearance. Plus there WAS an ABC release where he was still listed as a regular, so I wouldn't mind working under the impression that that was his last contracted appearance. Seems better than listing him as a "special guest star" when he wasn't credited as such.--Jeff 10:56, 4 February 2008 (PST)
I can see Dominic Monaghan as a special case and I don't see a problem with him as a one-episode regular. The four new people however are listed out as guest stars in each of the next three episodes. I dont think they should be made regulars without more confirming info. Dharmatel4 11:12, 4 February 2008 (PST)
That sounds fair until we get more info on the subject of their status.--Jeff 11:22, 4 February 2008 (PST)
Well, Dominic being listed as a regular is consistent with how Malcolm was listed in season two, and he wasn't a regular either. I think the status where they put your name back in the credits is for previous cast members who return under a smaller contract to "recur" as that character, or at least signed a contract to play the character in however many episodes, vs. Boone/Shannon who they had to pray would agree to come back. So my guess is that we'll see Charlie a few more times. As for the new regulars, it's the same situation as Nikki and Paulo. Unfortunately, due to the many mistakes in the past, I don't think we can go by the press releases, and should stick to the credits, as we did for Nikki and Paulo. The press releases are done by the advertising side of ABC, not legal. Who knows if Davies, Leung, or Mader will be "moved up" in the press releases, but they are regulars. They have signed "long-term" or "full season" contracts, vs. Emilie de Ravin probably signing a "partial season" or "certain number of episodes" contract in season one, until they decided that she would come back after her kidnapping, and had her sign for the full year, which is why she was only listed when she appeared during the first half of season one. Same as the Malcolm and Dominic situations that I talked about earlier. I'm assuming the newbies haven't taken any promo photos, because the strike got in the way. That said, if they NEVER have promo photos taken for this season, I think THEN we can move them back down to guest stars. But I'd leave them as regulars as of now. Jeremy Davies might be a special case of being listed as a regular when he appears, but he's gonna be in almost all of the first 8 episodes, if not all, so I'd leave him for now. Leung and Mader are obviously regulars, as they haven't appeared yet and have already been credited. Plus, those two are the ones with regular options for season 5.--Alexisfan07 11:35, 4 February 2008 (PST)
The problem with what your saying is that you are simply saying that we should ignore every source except for your personal interpretation of show credits. We have four or five episode cast lists already and they don't show up as regulars on any of them. ABC has never presented them as regulars at any press event or promotional event. We could easily leave as guest cast UNTIL such time that there is some proof that they are regulars. Dharmatel4 20:30, 4 February 2008 (PST)
How is that a problem? I don't understand! Lost is a TV Show, therefore anything that is detailed in the TV show should be legitimate? Why would you disregard the fact that it lists 17 members of cast as starring, and prefer to take your info. from a cast promo photo or a press-release? And Ken Leung did appear in this episode (he just didn't appear physically). Also, I wouldn't describe it as a 'personal interpretation.' It says; STARRING - then lists 17 names. How could I or anyone interpret that in any other way than I did? ~ Unfortunate
The Sunset on the Beach event was cancelled, as was every other promotional event, so how is there any proof regarding that? I like using promo photos as proof of regular status, but if you're going to use something as loose as that vs. the actual credits to denote whether they are regulars, we should just leave them as regulars. Besides, Kiele and Rodrigo's status was never changed to regular in the press releases, but we still consider them as such here. Alexisfan07 20:52, 4 February 2008 (PST)
Kiele and Rodrigo were billed as regular stars on the show's credits though.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  04:45, 6 February 2008 (PST)
Dominic Monaghan, for "The Beginning of the End" was billed as a main cast member in the shows credits. As far as he is concerned he is not a "guest star" billing yet, but major cast. Our new cast members are also billed as main cast. As far as I am aware, we use the show's credits as indicator of their star billing, and then the press releases second. So, even if Dominic and the new cast are billed as guest stars in a press release, if they are billed as main cast on the credits, then that takes precident.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  04:45, 6 February 2008 (PST)
Right. But if Dominic is no longer listed, or only listed in the episodes he appears in, like Walt in season two, then he's a guest star, right? Alexisfan07 05:30, 4 February 2008 (PST)
In addition to what I said above regarding Dominic Monaghan, I think of him in the same way as Maggie Grace and Adewale Agbaje: they were credited as regulars early in the season, but once they were dead they were removed from the main credits -- interestingly, also starting 2 episodes after their characters died. I think the main points of contention here may be a) that his last appearance as a regular was the first of a new season and b) he wasn't playing Charlie per se, but rather his ghost or a vision of him or what have you. As for the Walt statement that's kind of a good point but I personally didn't consider Malcolm Kelley a guest star in season 2 because he was never credited as such. I considered him to be a semiregular member of the principal cast. But my opinion may differ from others. --Jeff 07:19, 7 February 2008 (PST)

Season 4 Episode 1

Pleasssssssee start in September/October 2007,,, don't make us wait untill January 2008 --mo-- (Talk | Saa ) 08:03, 29 April 2007 (PDT)

  • That would then result in some kind of break for the production of the episodes and not to many people liked this year's break. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 12:15, 29 April 2007 (PDT)
  • It's going be a long wait, but it'll be worth it. If they were to hurry for our benefit the resulting episodes would likely be rushed and poorly produced. Who knows, maybe there will be another Lost Experience or something similar.--Stupot 05:17, 18 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Why is Lost season 4 only going to be 16 epsiodes long when the first 3 seasons are 24, 25 episodes long? --Pacific Gilly 1992 08:30, 18 May 2007 (PDT)
    • Money. I figure it's a compromise. The networks wanted more seasons, but the producers refused to make extra episodes to drag it out. They have said before that the series should run about 100 episodes. So, to make it last an additional three years they shortened the seasons. I admire the producers for not giving in to making extra episodes for no reason to extend the series, but it really ticks me off that we have to wait til 2010 to finish.--Silentounce 06:40, 24 May 2007 (PDT)silentounce
      • I posted this on season 6's discussion page, but season 4 will see more hits sooner, so I'm pasting it here as well.
        Season 1 - 22(24) - 2 hour pilot and finale
        Season 2 - 22(23) - 2 hour finale
        Season 3 - 22(23) - 2 hour finale
        Season 4 - 16
        Season 5 - 16
        Season 6 - 16
        My guess for the shortened seasons is that they have material for 2 more full seasons (44/46 episodes), but want more money, so they break it into three short seasons (48/51 episodes) and BS their way though 4 episodes, or use them to tell us about Libby/Rousseau/other stuff that only "die-hards" care about. --Suddud (Talk) 20:09, 24 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Total hours hasn't been confirmed, there could be a 2-hour premier and final, pushing the total hours to 18. So there would technically be more than 16 episodes if you think about it.
      • Production will end earlier than it normally would in May, it ends in March. The total hours might be 17-18. But I reckon the final season will have a 2-hour premier and final. Maybe the series final will be 2 1/2 hours long.
Note, they do not start filming season 4 until August 2007.--ukexpat 10:15, 25 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Will it be later, since thats when they started season 3, since there less episodes, would it be October, or are they just going to spread it out.


The whole thing pretty much should be in {{Quote|text= }} tags. --Sloths 11:44, 1 May 2007 (PDT)

Season 4 shortened to 16 eps long


They're ending at Season 6, with seasons 4-6 being 16 eps long.


I think you can change the season three cast list on this page to "confirmed cast at this point," because so far producers have confirmed two people: Matthew Fox and Jorge Garcia.--Jeff 00:06, 10 May 2007 (PDT)

I'm fairly sure Desmond has officially been announced as returning as well. And, Evangeline Lilly is near obvious. --Blueeagleislander 01:06, 6 June 2007 (PDT)


Has he been confirmed as a cast member for season 4? I was under the understanding that he had left the show hence his death. --Suddud (Talk) 20:10, 24 May 2007 (PDT)

  • I'm not sure that text (taken straight from a press release?) is saying it- it just says that Lost stars Dominic... not Lost Season 4. Stupid, I know, but that's press releases for you.--Chocky 20:18, 24 May 2007 (PDT)
  • I just looked at the press release... it was released on 21st March, so it's not surprising they said that Dominic stars in it, otherwise it'd be a pretty major spoiler!
  • Now that hes confirmed dead, his name can be removed from the cast list.
    • I'd agree but with how the island works, who knows. I'd say no big changes should be made to cast list on this site until either definite proof of Charlie not returning is found/released, or if once Season 4 starts we are made aware that he is indeed gone like Niki/Paulo and not gone like Mikhail. --Suddud (Talk) 21:02, 29 May 2007 (PDT)
      • Both the producers and actor have said that he is definitely dead. And that Dominic is moving on to new things, like movies. I think it's safe to say he's gone.--Chocky 13:18, 30 May 2007 (PDT)
        • Fine by me, wasn't a fan of his. Where did you get this from? I thought there hadn't been an official release stating he was dead yet. --Suddud (Talk) 05:30, 2 June 2007 (PDT)
        • There is no such thing as "gone"on Lost. He can easily show up in flashbacks. If you stick to the rule that you use onlu confirmed/offcial sources Charlie should be mentioned as a regular character. You can allways add an addendum, like with Michael --Hunter61 21:10, 10 September 2007 (PDT)

See above under the heading "new cast members" for more on the Charlie situation. A tentative consenus seems to be reached for now.--Jeff 17:22, 4 February 2008 (PST)

Additions to the Cast

We know that every year they like to add new people to the cast, i.e. Juliet and Ben this year. This is who I think may be added as a main cast member next year:

What does everyone else think? --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  00:13, 30 May 2007 (PDT)

I'm very certain Alex will be joining the cast and my hopes is Richard does too. Though I won't mind if Karl comes too. Danielle...sure what the heck. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 03:57, 30 May 2007 (PDT)

I imagine that Danielle is a much more important character than we think, and that she'll remain a mysterious recurring guest character for most of the series. JoelVanAtta 16:32, 30 May 2007 (PDT)

Danielle has been confirmed in a podcast as getting her flashback episode in Season 4. Although there have been a few exceptions (Rose and Bernard, Desmond in season 2), generally flashbacks only go to regular cast members, so this is probably a good hint that Danielle will indeed be joining the regular cast. And I think it will be awesome. She'd make a good romantic interest (in a strange way) for either Locke or Sayid. I think Alex will probably join the cast too, but Karl still seems like more of a recurring character to me. Richard will probably continue to be recurring as well. Bookhouse88 22:22, 1 June 2007 (PDT) Karl will definitely be recurring but I think that Danielle (maybe Alex) will be main cast. I can see the next season having lots of fight (i believe ben about the people coming to the island) and the Frenchwoman's good with traps, guns and dynamite

What about Cindy, Zack, and Emma? They could possibly be joining the cast as well. --James W. 20:18, 4 June 2007 (PDT)

Doubt it! I think we might see them sometimes, but they will not be main cast, or even recurring..--Adril-22 16:23, 5 June 2007 (PDT)

  • Alex/Karl/Danielle are more possible than Cindy, Zack etc. there story seems more major. I'm sure everyone would love Danielle as a regular.
  • Since Comicon we know that Danielle might not get her flashback this season, and Alpert may not appear because the actor has other commitments, that being a new show, therefore he's not part of the cast. They should have cast him earlier, since Charlie is gone, they have one less cast member, just in time to add Richard, keeping him as a part of the cast.

Opening Sccene - A New Character?

Every season opening starts with a new character..

1 - Jack

2 - Desmond

3 - Juliet

4 - (Person On Boat)?

--Adril-22 16:26, 5 June 2007 (PDT)

  • I thought about this too, and I decided that it would be awesome if it started with a)some person doing something below deck on the boat, and then being called up by someone and then looking out and seeing the island, or b)one of Richard's fellow age-less Hostiles in the temple, doing something and then Richard walks in with the rest of the Others, and Richard recognizes him and is shocked because he thought he was dead. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Theslate (talkcontribs) .
    • Both great but i prefer the latter - it'll leave a little mystery for perhaps the second episode - or until Ben returns. Though perhaps they are visiting the temple in order to visit this person —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marcusjh (talkcontribs) .
      • I know that a wiki is not a discussion forum, but I'd like to say that I prefer the first: thinking that the scene is a flashfoward/flashback but then turning out to be happening 'right now' (or as now as 'now' can be in the strange flashes-ness of Lost) and finding that out by unveiling the island, is simply awesome. On the objectiveness front though, as much as we can bank on this happening (it's one of the major stylistic events of Lost now), it is still only a theory and cannot be added to the page unless it's confirmed by the producers.--Andyroo316 08:30, 30 June 2007 (PDT)
  • I hope its Michael on his boat with Walt, maybe waking up and seeing land, of course we know this to be the island, or perhaps another island?

Needed Edit onto Page

I don't necessarily want unprotection, because it is a small thing, but I am grammar-oriented, so here goes. On the page it says "another 2 16 episode seasons in 2009 and 2010" whereas there should be a hyphen between '16' and 'episode' to read "another 2-16 episode seasons in 2009 and 2010". Can an admin please fix this? David 19:42, 6 June 2007 (PDT)

Um, I will if you clarify.

On the page it says "another 2 16 episode seasons in 2009 and 2010" whereas there should be a hyphen between '16' and 'episode' to read "another 2 16-episode seasons in 2009 and 2010".

Where exactly do you want the hyphen? -Mr.Leaf 12:43, 7 June 2007 (PDT)

It should be left how it is. "2-16 episode seasons" implies the seasons will be between 2 and 16 episodes long. "2 16 episode seasons" is correct, showing there will be 2 seasons, each with 16 episodes.--Reiss 11:35, 8 June 2007 (PDT)

It definitely is nitpicking, but it should say 2 16-episode seasons.--Theslate 12:49, 9 June 2007 (PDT)

You're both wrong. It should say "two 16-episode seasons." Wrecktum 21:51, 25 June 2007 (PDT)

As long we are nitpicking, that info shouldn't be there at all since it isn't about Season 4 ;) --Hunter61 09:49, 18 July 2007 (PDT)

There's a typo/mistake here under the sub-section "Season 4 confirmed", where it says "Although ABC originally intended to air 16 episodes due the the WGA strike . . . " It should instead read "Although ABC originally intended to air 16 episodes due to the WGA strike . . ." --Edgeoftecity 11:15, 3 January 2008 (PST)edgeofthecity

Nit picking I know but... - In the first paragraph it reads 'at it is presumed...' this should read 'as it is presumed...' Pike 11:59, 10 January 2008 (PST)

Michael's Return

Shouldn't the bit about Michael's return also mention the fact that we don't know the episode he'll be returning, as it could be well into the season before he returns as a season regular. Unless of course he's on the boat... random2502 06:56, 9 August 2007 (PDT)


How come if Michael is returning Walt wouldn't be... odd. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 08:09, 3 September 2007 (PDT)

  • Walt may be returning - they haven't said either way. I think the reason they announced Harold Perrineau like they did was because it took a while to actually get him (because of money and scheduling), whereas I'm sure Malcolm agreed straight away. I agree with you though that if we see Michael, we will almost certainly see Walt. --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  08:56, 3 September 2007 (PDT)
    • There's also the "mechanics" of Walt returning as well. Malcolm David Kelley is now too old to play "Present" Walt or "2004" Walt, so it could be likely that Kelley would portray Walt in flashforwards only and a younger actor would portray him in flashbacks immediately post-island. Unless they shot him at weird angles and warped the audio, like at the end of season 2. --Jeff 20:07, 19 February 2008 (PST)

Starting date

The article says that on May 7th 2007, it was confirmed that Season 4 will return on February 08 for a 16 episode run. The given source doesn' t confirm that date. If that is a guess (even an educated one), it should be removed. If there is another source to confirm the date, it should be referenced. --Hunter61 21:02, 10 September 2007 (PDT)

  • "IN" February 08, as in February 2008. That's the latest confirmed info. JoelVanAtta 18:22, 12 September 2007 (PDT)

T.V. Guide

Shouldn't we make a page for episode 401 now, since we have a title, and most likely an abundance of future information coming up? --Sawyer540 13:35, 16 October 2007 (PDT)

We don't have a title, any titles you here are rumoured and aren't official releases of ABC Medianet or ABC. If you have an official source for the name of 4x01 let us know but any site which is not run by ABC is a spoiler and shouldn't be posted. Read our Spoiler Policy for more info on this. -Mr.Leaf 15:09, 16 October 2007 (PDT)

WGA Strike implications

Some note should be made on this entry that the second half of Season 4 is unfinished and indefinitely shelved, while the first half is essentially in-the-can but may be shelved for the sake of continuity.TheBookPolice 12:47, 9 November 2007 (PST)

Confirmation of 401 Title?

Click Zoom on the picture of Jack and read the caption. That is, if you want to see the title of the next episode. I know that's what it was rumored to be, so I guess this pretty much confirms it.

Movie Promo

I say the trailer for Lost that is being shown at movies (I watched it on Youtube). . At the end, it shows Charlie, alive. Pause around the 24th second, and you'll see him. -- #1LostFan  talk  contribs  Lost Wiki  22:12, 11 December 2007 (PST)

Likely a flashback, maybe a dream, or just a clip from a previous season. Damon and Carlton confirmed Charlie is dead on the Blu-ray edition of the season 3 dvd. They've also confirmed it at least 5 or 6 other times in interviews. He's dead. -Mr.Leaf 20:22, 12 December 2007 (PST)
I agree, it has to be a flashback. Charlie is in black&white and in inverted colors. I like some other pictures though - for example Kate with the cow :) Can I insert trailer to S4 lostpedia article? (it's the first trailer that has completely new shots from season four) --Running 15:35, 13 December 2007 (PST)
It is possible, and likely, that they've said that to make us believe he is dead. I've always said he is alive, and have gathered evidence, done experiments (which resulted in proof that Charlie could not drown), told my theories with thousands of people. I'm always going to say he is ALIVE, no matter what people say. We'll find out if he's alive soon. I'm so excited for the 4th season, too bad there are only 8 episodes. -- #1LostFan  talk  contribs  Lost Wiki  21:15, 12 December 2007 (PST)

P.S. why does my timestamp do that?

The writers would not lie. Not only would it ruin their integrity but ABC would not allow it and they would ruin a great relationship with the fans. People have to face the fact Charlie is dead. If the writers did not want to confirm his death they would ignore the fact or say "no comment," something like that as they have done numerous times before. Besides that, the fact the Dominic has stated he is no longer working on the show, he has been working on another project (at the same time Lost was filming) means he clearly is not on Lost. Also, if your theory relates to water level rising until air could no longer escape and then Charlie could survive, the room was water and air tight when the door was closed. There had to be a way to circulate air through the room when the door was closed. Therefore through that same mechanism air will escape, allowing the room to fill. -Mr.Leaf 16:23, 13 December 2007 (PST)

PREMIERE DATE CONFIRMED Isolation815 16:05, 14 December 2007 (PST)

WOOO!!! Jan 31, 2008 9pm. --Blueeagleislander 16:17, 14 December 2007 (PST)
Yes! Now I need to change my countdown, I had it for February. This is official, but there are two things that confuse me. Months ago, it was confirmed that it would be February, which is now not true. Also, the Sunset on the Beach Lost premire date is February 2, 2008. I have not found any information regarding a change to this date. -- #1LostFan  talk  contribs  Lost Wiki  17:05, 14 December 2007 (PST)
SotB must be on diff. date, why would it be after?? --Blueeagleislander 04:13, 15 December 2007 (PST)
The policy with sunset on the beach is it is supposed to be primarily for the people of Hawaii only, as a special event. Because of that they have in the past only announced the date a week or two before the even. They never announced the February 2nd date, it was supposedly reported by an ABC source and never really official. Because of that, you have to take it with a grain of salt, especially in this case. The date will likely be changed but it's not likely to be announced any time soon. Maybe mid January. -Mr.Leaf 09:52, 15 December 2007 (PST)

Shouldn't the main article say something about the premiere date? The page is currently locked, otherwise I'd do it myself. David 10:26, 16 December 2007 (PST)

It does. Read the first paragraph. -Mr.Leaf 13:23, 17 December 2007 (PST)

And shouldn't the article make some mention of the strike? The article says 16 episodes are planned, but with the strike it's likely that any episodes past 8 will be late (at best) or pushed off until next season. --Minderbinder 12:57, 17 December 2007 (PST)

  • This page is the official Season 4 page. ABC has not yet said how many episodes are going to air so hypothetically for the time being we have to remain by their original release of 16 episodes. I will however add a bit about uncertainty of the number, but we can't add an exact number until ABC releases it. -Mr.Leaf 13:23, 17 December 2007 (PST)

I just saw yesterday on ABC that there was one of those ads showing the LOST premier date and it said that it was a 2 hour premier. Should this be included in the Season 4 premier information? Also does this mean that we only get 7 weeks of episodes or does the 2 hours still constitute as 1? --marcbjr2 08:18, 26 December 2007 (PST)

I believe it's a clip show (1 hour) and then the premiere. Although there has been no official confirmation of this I've seen ads for the 2 hour premiere starting at 8 when we clearly know the actual premiere starts at 9. So It leads me to believe it is a clip show. But we have to wait until we get some official information about this to add it.-Mr.Leaf 09:03, 26 December 2007 (PST)

Pretty Sweet

found this awsome video on Yahoo check it out--Connerxcountry57 12:40, 20 December 2007 (PST)

Season 4 begins Feb.1st?

ABC's lost site says so... Seba5618 17:25, 1 January 2008 (PST)

It's wrong, it's December 31st, official press releases would not be wrong and if they were they'd have an official correction relatively quickly. -Mr.Leaf 18:39, 1 January 2008 (PST)

Ep. 1 title confirmed in promo stills.

The caption on the new episode stills[1] confirms the title of the premiere to be 'The Beginning of the End'. [2] --4 11:50, 6 January 2008 (PST)

Michael in cast list?

Shouldn't Harold Perrineau as Michael Dawson be in the cast list? --SilvaStorm

  • I agree. even though he's not in the cast list in that official press release, we could use editors marks (ie parenthesis or brackets) to add him to that list there, because it's not a spoiler that he's back. It has been well documented news and on other ABC press releases as well. --Jeff 14:41, 31 January 2008 (PST)

Cast promo pic

Here's the first cast promo pic, if somebody wants to put it on the page. -- Graft   talk   contributions  23:11, 9 January 2008 (PST)

...and here's the promo poster, if anybody wants to include it on the page. (note the '6' and city reflected in the water) --Kivipat16:54, 19 January 2008 (PST)
Lost season 4 poster

Well, now that we've reached the break, we should be on the lookout for the next wave of promo art, because traditioanlly during the last several years, the gaps between the new episodes have been when ABC has released the revised posters with the new cast members added in.--Jeff 10:34, 21 March 2008 (PDT)

Episode 4x02

Since there is a page for episode 4x02, shouldn't there be a banner for it on the Season 4 page? I get that we don't know any official information on it, but we still know it's title. David 17:28, 21 January 2008 (PST)

Update needed

Episode 4x01

The guest stars, the writers and the director needs to be added to the box as the data is on the episode page Jamesie 13:02, 23 January 2008 (PST)

Episode 3

1. The link for (highlight to read, spoiler) The Economist on the Lost/Season 4 page on Wikipedia (4)) is blue. Is that a reliable source?

2. This is a thing I never understood: where do the words (highlight to read) Oceanic 6 came out for the first time? --Simone85 13:49, 25 January 2008 (PST)

Episode titles are only accepted here once published from ABC Medianet. Not wikipedia, they are no different to us. As for (highlight to read) Oceanic 6, could you discuss that on the season 4 spoilers talk page please. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 14:14, 25 January 2008 (PST)
Lewis is correct. Unless released by ABC Medianet is not canon. No other source is canon. They are all spoilers. I've also edited the above posts to hide the spoiler. Please, please, please do not discuss spoilers on this page. As Lewis said Talk:Season4/Spoilers is made for that as well as our spoiler forum on the LP forums. -Mr.Leaf 15:05, 25 January 2008 (PST)
OK, OK. Sorry for what I did. Mea culpa. At the moment, Wikipedia has a source for episodes 3 and 4 at this site. IT IS ABC medianet. Can we use it as canon? --Simone85 02:59, 26 January 2008 (PST)
Ya, It's been added. As long as you cite a source here thats official it's fine. If Wikipedia is the source it's not okay, and from the way you posted it seemed like Wikipedia was the source, they have been added though. Thanks -Mr.Leaf 12:53, 28 January 2008 (PST)
Are episode TITLES even considered spoilers by some? In my mind, just a title or who the flashback belongs to doesn't make it spoiler because it doesn't give away the plot of the episode. Unless the episode is titled something like "Jack Kills Locke With a Big Rock" or something like that :)--Jeff 10:59, 4 February 2008 (PST)


Can someone please update the episode template boxes? We know the Clip Show's name, Episode 4x01's guest stars, and Episode 4x02's name (their respective pages have all of this info. David 06:40, 26 January 2008 (PST)


Could someone please edit the page to change "It’s filmed entirely on location in Hawaii and premiered on September 22, 2004, is from ABC Television Studio." to something less clunky by changing "It's" to "it is" and removing the "is from..." clause of the sentence. Sirius

No, because its a quote direct from the press release  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  04:58, 6 February 2008 (PST)


Someone needs to change "The Beginning of the End" to a flashforward episode. --James W. 20:42, 31 January 2008 (PST)

Episode list

the episodes are listed like this: --- "Lost:Past, Present and Future" 01 "The Beginning of the End" 02 "Confirmed Dead" 01 "The Economist" 02 "Eggtown"

the numbers should be fixed to 01,02,03,04... --Avudim 11:47, 1 February 2008 (PST)

Box at top of season4 articles

Shouldn't the centricity of "Confirmed Dead" be listed as Freighter crew as opposed to just various? --Jeff 20:48, 7 February 2008 (PST)

Episode 6

The title is confirmed at ABC Medianet:


Pictures need to be added to the aired episodes instead of just having the cast picture next to it.

Episode titles are spoilers!

I didn't really know where to post this so I'll post it here. Basically for me (and probably for other people out there), titles for future episodes are spoilers. I would think that you should replace the titles of un-shown episodes by for instance "Episode 6" (even though the title has been confirmed, it doesn't mean it's not a spoiler!). I don't like to know the title of future episodes, especially episodes that's gonna be shown in 4 weeks and more! Just think about titles such as "The Other 48 days" and "the man behind the curtain", etc. All pretty spoilery titles! And I bet there are even more coming up in season 4. Therefore I think the titles should be replaced by "Episode #" or not linked at all (I'm obviously talking here about non-spoiler sections such as Season 4 in general, and the season 4 "menu" on top of the episodes). - TheAma1 15:38, 11 February 2008 (PST)

I'm not sure the titles of episodes are spoilers if they don't spoil the plot. For instance, "The Other 48 Days" doesn't give away what happened during those 48 days, "What Kate Did" doesn't tell you what she did. Meanwhile, "The Man Behind The Curtain" is a literary reference, as many episode titles are. I wouldn't have know that was a Ben episode had I not watched it. Many other titles are intentionally vague: "Par Avion, "Enter 77," "Deus Ex Machina," "Fire + Water" and "Abandoned" spring to mind as prime examples. As I recall, all last year the episode titles would be listed as they were confirmed, but the plots of those episodes and whose flashback they involved would ONLY be mentioned on the spoiler page. I see no harm int hat remaining the way the site operates this year as well. --Jeff 18:16, 11 February 2008 (PST)
    • Well The Other 48 Days clearly states that it's gonna be about the other 48 days...of the tailies (especially in the context - s2, the mystery of the tailies). What Kate Did obviously says that the episode will be about Kate. You might deduce the same thing (meaning who is it about) for other title when you know how titles are chose (for instance the man behind the crtain is a lit ref indeed, yet you can also deduce it to be about Ben, as at the time he was though to be that "man" -again the context, end of s3, a lot of question about Jacob and the Others, especially Ben-). In Season 4 we are confronted with the identity of Oceanic 6. Since the identity of the O6 has been leaked for severall weeks now (even months), it is pretty safe to assume that this means the 6 will be revealed before 408 ends, so the identity of who's centric in the episodes that are coming up is beginning to be very spoilery. I'm especially talking here about the 2-3 final titles of s4 pre-strike that will probably say a lot (at the very least as to the identity of the centric). And again, I don't see how not spoiling the title hurts the site, on the contrary, people who don't appreciate being spoiled and were afraid to naviguate around s4 section and the episodes (already shown that is) will be more eager to help. - TheAma1 03:24, 12 February 2008 (PST)
      • I would agree that revealing who the centric character is would be a spoiler, but I don't think that's ever revealed on non-spoiler pages. I guess you might sometimes be able to get it from the ABC episode synopsis which is included on the episode pages, but those pages have spoiler warnings on them before the episodes air. As for episode titles, I don't think they're really "spoilers." I guess an argument could be made for leaving them off the navbar at the top of the episode pages until they air. I'd be okay with links on the navbar that just say "Episode #" and if people want to know the title, they can click. But I don't know if it's really necessary. --Compossible 11:28, 12 February 2008 (PST)
  • I think it's fine, because like Jeff said... most of the episode titles are just references to what we will be seeing, but we don't know exactly what. For example, the 8th episode will be named "_________" we don't know who he is, what's his purpose etc.     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email  
    • But now that we do, don't you think it's spoilerish? --Uncertainty 15:04, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
  • If I may add to the user who posted over me, episode 4 of season 4 is called Eggtown, and we don't know what an eggtown is. Joeykanga 00:54, 14 February 2008 (PST)
  • That's pretty hilarious, as I was reading this post, I was thinking the exact same thing! Oh No! Eggtown! Now I know what's going to happen! Sithboy 14:35, 14 February 2008 (PST)
  • But still, the title "Eggtown" obviously means that the island will be invaded with mad, talking eggs, and using their Hi-Tech weapons called the "scrambler" they will get the islanders on their knees, and force them to make a town, called Eggtown. Joeykanga 01:20, 15 February 2008 (PST)
  • I agree with the original poster. It's not that much more work to change all future episode titles to 'Episode 6' 'Episode 7' etc. etc... and then change them back to their actual titles once the episode airs. I admit that it's not a HUGE deal, but I would like to view the articles on Season 4 thus far without having to see the titles of upcoming episodes. The title of 4x07 is a pretty big giveaway as I can only assume that this episode will be a ______ centric episode. I know titles like "Eggtown" and "The Economist" don't give away anything, but it seems to a very small request that would appease a lot of people. Uncertainty 05:07, 4 March 2008 (PST)

New Season 4 Plan

Directly from Carlton Cuse:

So it looks like there will be 13 episodes total this season (with the 3 "missing" episodes being added into the later seasons). And there will be a break between the first 8 episodes, and the last 5. Someone should update the Season 4 page with the new info. --Compossible 23:38, 12 February 2008 (PST)

  • Oh my god, NO! I hope to God we can petition to reverse this decision. Wouldn't you rather have the originally planned 16 episodes than an artificially truncated season? They could air the eight they've already got produced in the spring, and the remaining eight in the fall. The fans would be happier, I'm sure the writers would be happier, and the wait for Season 5 would be dampened by miles. This has got to be the worst creative decision in the show's history. This beats Nikki and Paulo with a shovel. Evil-pineapples 13:41, 13 February 2008 (PST)
    • I think it's more ABC's decision to not extend the season into the summer than it is Damon or Carlton's to cut it short.--HaloOfTheSun 00:58, 14 February 2008 (PST)
    • It more looks like episode 7 will air. Then the 6 week break. Then episode 8 will air followed by 5 new episodes because the writers think its a better mini-premier than a mini-finale. Joeykanga 00:50, 14 February 2008 (PST)
      • Did anybody of the authors/producers say if the last season 4 episode will be a 2-hour episode or not? Simone85 14:05, 16 February 2008 (PST)
        • I haven't heard as such, but I would assume so. I think we're still waiting for the official word from ABC about the plan. -- Graft   talk   contributions  16:09, 16 February 2008 (PST)

Update on the plan - they originally were going to break after episode 7, but they've changed that so the break will be after episode 8. Reportedly, it's because they want the new schedule of Ugly Betty/Grey's/Lost to all start on the same night (and I assume probably end at the same time as well). So Ep8 on March 20 and EP9 on April 24, finale on May 22. --Minderbinder 09:22, 27 February 2008 (PST)


Since for future episodes we don't know if it will be flashback or flashforward, what about changing "flashback" to "flashback/flashforward". Obviously that will be switched to the correct one once it airs. --Minderbinder 08:41, 22 February 2008 (PST)

Episode 7

since the episode article and talk page are locked, I figured I would post an update here: (info removed) --Avudim 22:50, 22 February 2008 (PST)

I removed that info, please don't post spoilers outside of the season 4 spoiler page. If people want to read that info, it's linked from the episode page. Those pages are locked for a reason. --Minderbinder 09:24, 27 February 2008 (PST)

Grammar nitpicking

Hey guys, small grammar problem in this article. The article currently reads "Following the resolution of the strike on February 12, 2008, a further five episodes are expected to be produced, bringing the total number episodes to 13," while it should say "bringing the total number of episodes to 13." Just wanted to point that out--Randnotell 17:30, 24 February 2008 (PST)

Unaired episodes: Locked talk pages?

How come the talk pages for unaired episodes are being locked now? (I wasn't sure where else to post this question) Jimbo the tubby 12:04, 27 February 2008 (PST)

The article pages are locked because people kept posting spoilers there. I assume the talk pages are locked for the same reason, people just posted spoilers on the talk pages instead. For an unaired episode, what is there to talk about that isn't a spoiler? --Minderbinder 12:08, 27 February 2008 (PST)
What is there to talk about? Casting information, the title, errors in the article, and promos for the episode. I always enjoyed the discussions that went on about these things. See the discussion page for 4x05 for a good example of some discussions that remain spoiler free (admittedly, as well as one or two with spoilers removed). As long as people don't post spoilers (perhaps including a banner on the talk pages?) I don't see why we shouldn't be able to discuss them. Unless people consider casting, episode title, etc to be spoilers (which I'm aware some people do) but if that's the case, then don't go to those pages! Jimbo the tubby 12:14, 27 February 2008 (PST)
With regard to casting information, title, and information about the episode, see the new draft spoiler policy. We have the links to the excel grids and pdf press releases on the main article - there's nothing of significance to talk about until the episode airs. With regard to discussions of the episode, keep in mind that the purpose of the talk pages is to discuss issues relating to the wiki content of the article; they are not intended to be a general forum-type discussion area. This, combined with the tendency for spoiler information to appear is the reason they are locked for now. -- Graft   talk   contributions  12:19, 27 February 2008 (PST)
I dunno, I find that most talk pages tend to contain both general discussion and wiki-based discussion. As for the new spoiler policy... Ugh, I just read it and I'm not a fan. But anyways, thanks for clearing that up! Jimbo the tubby 12:24, 27 February 2008 (PST)

Speaking of, the talk page for 4x06 has the ABC press release pasted there - based on the new spoiler policy that should probably go, but since it's locked an admin will have to do it. --Minderbinder 12:27, 27 February 2008 (PST)

  • So it has to be deleted from the talk page even though the information contained within it is in the actual article? I'm confused. Jimbo the tubby 12:32, 27 February 2008 (PST)

Other Woman/Ji Yeon

Can we update the centric characters for The Other Woman and Ji Yeon. I understand that Ji Yeon only aired last night, but The Other Woman is more than a week old, why is the centric characters (Juliet, Jin/Sun) still unlisted? Jimbo the tubby 09:05, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

4x09 title

They just announced the title of the next episode on the official podcast. A mod will probably want to update the appropriate season articles and templates and lock the article page: 4x09. --Minderbinder 12:50, 21 March 2008 (PDT)

I've locked the episode article, but unless any other sysops feel differently, I think we should wait for an announcement from ABC Medianet before adding the title to Season 4, Portal:Episodes, and other templates. -- Graft   talk   contributions  17:20, 21 March 2008 (PDT)


I'm adding this here because the article for The Shape of Things to Come has been locked. But can we please get the page for this episode to have the ABC Medianet press release linked to, as well as the cast listing commented out as in previous unaired episodes, as well as the title appearing in the Season 4 nav template (since the title of the immediate upcoming episode is not considered a spoiler)? Also, a page for episode 4x10 (press release here) would be nice. Linking to the press releases prevents me (and presumably other people) from having to dig through the Season4/Spoilers page to find this information. Thanks. Jimbo the tubby 10:22, 15 April 2008 (PDT)

Also, shouldn't the image and description be updated, as well as 4x10's title added? -- Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

The episode information for "The Shape of Things to Come" needs to be updated on the article. I was about to do it but realised it's locked.--Baker1000 15:27, 29 April 2008 (PDT)

4x10 & 4x11

Just a note, in the most recent Official Podcast, episode 10 was confirmed to be a spoiler removed-centric episode. As well, episode 11's title was revealed to be spoiler removed.

Those things are considered spoilers. Please see Spoiler policy for reasoning behind this, as well as full guidelines to what are considered spoilers. Also, please sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~). Thanks. :)Jimbo the tubby 16:15, 27 April 2008 (PDT)

Number of the episodes

We still don't know if this season will have 13 or 14 episodes: well, Wikipedia seems to have a source for the fact that there will be 14 episodes, and the source is from ABC Medianet. The article on Wikipedia is this one and the source is at note 94. Unfortunately, I can't open the page. Can someone verify it? Simone85 09:12, 29 April 2008 (PDT)

It is confusing - official sources have said both 13 episodes, with the last being 2 hours, or 14 episodes. It's just semantics, but it would be nice for numbering purposes to know for sure if ABC considers the last night to be one long episode or two short ones. Hopefully they'll get their story straight, otherwise we may be changing things when the DVDs come out and the Finale is listed as either one title or two. --Minderbinder 13:33, 29 April 2008 (PDT)
And here they are! ABC Official Grids have been published here (ABC Medianet)! There will be a two-hour season finale, but the title is "Title" (Part 2 and 3) We all know the exact "title", but it would be a spoiler, wouldn't it?. It is even more confusing than before: 13 or 14 episodes? I'd say 13, with the last one having a strange title... Simone85 08:37, 4 May 2008 (PDT)

Navigation Discrepancy

I have noticed that the navigation table's at the head of all episode pages have the Season 4> link on top going to Lost: Past Present and Future, a clip show. This is different to the Season 2-3 links which skip the clip shows and go straight to episode one. I can't find the template to change. Could somebody please take care of it? --Pike 10:03, 30 April 2008 (PDT)

Picture for Episode 9

My ocd is kicking in and I am getting bothered by the fact that there is no picture or info on episode 9. Just thought you should add a picture and some guest star info and centricity and stuff like that. That's all.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Euphopolus (talkcontribs) .

Yeah, this seriously needs to be fixed. It's two episodes later (counting 9 and 10) and the page is still pre-episode 9. Somebody's dropped the ball. -- Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
Seriously, why does this page always get forgotten? Time to update 411 and 412. -- Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

Linking 4x10

For some strange reason when clicking "Something Nice Back Home" on the list of episodes it won't jump to the box of info for that episode. All other links work and I can't find any reason why it won't? Anyone have ideas? BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 16:35, 19 May 2008 (PDT)


Does she really have to be mentioned on this page? Her appearance is only archive footage. Andris22 12:35, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

  • I agree, she played no part in the overall story. It was more of an easter egg. She didn't have to return to Hawaii to film anything. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 13:22, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
    • I think she should be mentioned, even if it was just archive footage, it IS a past regular cast member appearing on the show. I think regulars should always be mentionned ... even if it's just an easter egg now, they were important enough once. --LeoChris 13:48, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
      • No, archive footage should NOT be counted. Like when we see a shot of Micheal in the flashback to the crash in Expose, we dont have Michael in the list of season 3 cast
        • Except that Michael isn't in any flashbacks in Exposé. Watch it again.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  11:25, 31 May 2008 (PDT)
          • I've once again restored Nikki to the list. I don't wanna turn this into an edit war, but I feel that for consistency, as she's listed in the characters' appearances, and the Ji Yeon article she should either be added to this article, or removed from both of the others. --LeoChris 11:57, 31 May 2008 (PDT)
            • It's not that big of a deal but I really dont think she should be mentioned here. If just a picture was seen of a character would that also count? I dont think so.--Mattfarley1008 17:11, 31 May 2008 (PDT)
            • See, I actually say that would count. For example, I would count Greg Grunberg as appearing in season 4 because we saw a picture of Seth Norris during "Confirmed Dead".  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  18:17, 31 May 2008 (PDT)
              • I've been the one all season long keeping track of the main cast and recurring guests on this talk page ... plus last year, I was one of the biggest supporters of Nikki and hoped they wouldn't kill her off ... but even i don't think she should be listed. If you notice, in the scene were Sun is watching the fictional Expose, the scene cuts out just before Kiele Sanchez is shown. That's whay the producers don't have to credit her -- or pay her, for that matter. It's the same reasons why Michael and Walk were excised from the flashbacks in "Expose," and why in clip shows they often cut out Michelle Rodriguez and Maggie Grace from scenes they were in. So yeah, Sun watching Expose is a nice little easter egg, and maybe worth mentioning in the trivia portion of the "Ji Yeon" article, but not worth mentioning here. Sorry. --Jeff 14:17, 3 June 2008(PDT)
                • I don't understand why you say the scene cuts out just before Kiele is show, you can cleary see her in this picture Image:4x07-expose.jpg; her face is a little blurry, but it IS her, not a body double (unless they reshot the scene, something we have no evidence of.) --LeoChris 14:06, 4 June 2008 (PDT)
                  • Well let's try this then: Kiele Sanchez did not film any new materieal for season 4, she was not credited for season 4, so there is no need to credit her on this page either for an image of an image we saw last year. It's like if someone held up a photograph of Ana Lucia, woudl we say Michelle Rodriguez appeared uncredited? Absolutly not. It seems like someone else ehre agrees with me because Sanchez' name was removed from this page fianlly. But now it's back. frustrating. --Jeff 09:30, 13 June 2008 (PDT)
                    • Yes, these needs to be taken down. Its pointless to have a will just potentially confuse people. It was an easter egg in the show and shouldnt be credited as a character appearing. Also, MDK should not be listed as a guest and and also as uncredited. I know he was only credited for one of his appearances but since he showed up twice under the guest star one it should just have 2/13. Im changing this stuff.--Mattfarley1008 17:08, 13 June 2008 (PDT)

No centricity

  • It's not true that it's the first time ther was no centric episode for a main character. Shannon didn't receive any epsiodes in S1. She had a flashback in Exodus, but that doesen't really count because it was a multi centric episode and the on island story wasn't evolving around her.--Orhan94 13:54, 1 June 2008 (PDT)
    • Technically the article should say that it's the first time a main character didn't receive a flash, not a centric episode. There may not have been a Shannon-centric episod in S1, but there was a Shannon FLASHBACK in S1: Exodus. So it should say: Season 4 was the first season in which main cast members did not appear in any flashes.--Jeff 14:21, 3 June 2008 (PDT)

The issue with Shannon is dealt with in the article.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  15:09, 3 June 2008 (PDT)

Shannon did have a centric in Season 1, whether anybody else did or not. It's like Libby only had one flashback in Dave but it is Hurley and Libby centric. Daniel, Charlotte, Miles and Frank only had one flash each in Confirmed Dead, but its still their own centric.  Bringlibbyandcharlieback  Talk   Contribs 11:47, 3 July 2008 (PDT)

4x13 picture

Is it really a good idea to have the 4x13 picture being Jack looking down on the identity of the person in the coffin? If someone who hasn't seen the episode were to look on this page to check details about an earlier episode in the season, there's a good chance that the identity of the person in the coffin would be spoiled for them.. --Lostie247 16:02, 1 June 2008 (PDT)

That's what the main page spoiler warning is for. Anyone coming to this page who hasn't finished the season should be aware there is a possibility of being spoiled. --Gluphokquen Gunih 09:41, 13 June 2008 (PDT)

Why Was Season 4 So Short?

Does anyone know why Season 4 was so much shorter than previous seasons? Axemantitan 05:15, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Mostly due to the WGA strike. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  05:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Shouldnt that be added in the article? unless I missed it. Mayhemrules 00:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
After the writers cut a deal with ABC to end the show at Season 6, the remaining three seasons were going to consist of 16 episodes each. Due to the writers strike, Season 4 got cut to 13 episodes but at the last minute they managed to get a 14th episode added. The remaining two episodes which were cut from Season 4 were added to 5 and 6 to make 17 episode seasons. However they have since managed to increase Season 6 to 18 episodes. And that's about it...--Baker1000 00:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

There's no place like home, parts 2 & 3

Is there a reason why the season finale no longer shows up in the episodes?--Doughnutguy 07:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Season 4 got pwned today!

I deleted/relocated all the information from the Season 4 episode/theories pages into more appropriate theory pages. I took care to save some of the more interesting or relevant theories. A lot of the character pages will likely need some cleanup due to repeated information. I don't know... The episode/theory pages are overwhelmingly incoherent. None more than this season's! I don't have the heart to tackle Season 5, yet. And I know people would have a straight conniption fit if I touched the Season 6 pages. So I'll wait until no one is looking.--DanVader228 17:23, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

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