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Hassan?

I cannot find a reference for Hassan being the first name of Sayid's father or Sayid's middle name. Where is this information from? --Phil (talk) 08:13, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

  • Also, in most of the books I've ever read on Arab culture, the name is spelled Hasan. Aobozu 09:35, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
  • It says that he's mentioned in One of Them, yet nothing is mentioned besides "your father". I even searched for Hassan in the transcript. Guess what--there's no Hassan. I nominated the article for deletion. Expecting votes below.--     c      blacxthornE      t     09:38, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
  • Okay I checked Sayid's page. It seems that Sayid's father has been presumed Hassan for quite a while, goes beyond May 29, 2007 (which was the earliest revision I checked--I couldn't search further) and I saw that the trivia section says that Hassan is his father based on Oceanic-air.com. So since that site is considered deuterocanon, I'm adding that template as well. We'll see what happens from there. --     c      blacxthornE      t     09:48, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

Rename

Votes, anyone?

  • Delete. Unless there's been some divine revelation, I say toss it. --     c      blacxthornE      t     09:38, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
    • Rename. Changed my vote to rename since there seems to be no "Sayid's father" page (except for the redirect). --     c      blacxthornE      t     09:56, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
  • Rename to Sayid's father. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  09:43, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
  • Rename: Unless there's a custom among Arabs to take their father's name a as middle name, I say rename into Sayid's father. No need to get rid of it, there are many similar articles on Lostpedia. --Hunter61 09:47, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
    • Actually in Iraq there is no "Last name". People are customarily called with their first names, then their father's and grandfather's (although usually just first name and father's name). If Sayid's father is Hassan, then in fact he would be called Sayid Hassan. Saddam Hussein's father was Hussein 'Abid al-Majid for example. They also use some nicknames (usually derived from places of origins or occupations) which I presume is why his "last name" is Jarrah (which means surgeon). --     c      blacxthornE      t     09:56, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
  • Rename to Sayid's father, as he is mentioned in the storyline--Phil (talk) 13:54, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
  • I've changed it to a rename banner on the main article. -- Graft   talk   contributions  21:08, 18 March 2008 (PDT)
  • Unsure: playing devil's advocate here: oceanic-air.com is run by ABC and is not necessarily non-canon, but largely considered semi-canon or "deuterocanon". So if we don't have a direct reference from the show, perhaps we can go to the "next in line" for the name. -- Graft   talk   contributions  21:08, 18 March 2008 (PDT)
  • Rename to Sayid's father. --CTS 19:28, 4 June 2008 (PDT)
  • Since the article has been renamed and there hasn't been any further discussion on the issue in over 6 months, I'm removing the delete tag. Robert K S (talk) 00:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Delete

Votes? This article is wasteful, we could have one just like it for Sayid's mother.

  • Delete. -- Xbenlinusx 09:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Abstain: I don't really mind, and it is information... but we do need a cut-off point. This info could be mentioned in Sayid's bio page theoretically. --Nickb123 (Talk) 17:38, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Keep He was a character explicitly mentioned on the show, and whose name has been mentioned on an online (deuterocanon, but online) website. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  23:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Than this should be moved to "Hassan Jarrah". -- Xbenlinusx 06:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Rename to Mr Jarrah

I don't know. He's never referred to as Mr. Jarrah. Do Iraqi men refer to themselves as "Mr [surname]"? --- Balk Of Fametalk 22:24, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

  • Rename the article to "Mr. Jarrah", is because we can't rename it to just "Jarrah". No matter he refers himself as "Mr. Jarrah" or not, it's just his own option. Like I never refer myself as "Mr. [surname]", but it's still correct if I was being referred as "Mr. [surname]". Since he is not a female, we don't have to consider he went by someone's surname after the marriage or something, so we can be 100% sure that his surname is indeed "Jarrah". The fact is we know his surname is "Jarrah", so "Mr. Jarrah" is a better title than "Sayid's father". Whatever Iraqi men refer to themselves as "Mr [surname]" is not a problem, because it won't affects anything, and it's not the thing we need to concern for the rename. Sroczynski (talk) 04:13, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Why is "Mr. Jarrah" better than "Sayid's father"? It's less clear. It sounds like it refers to Sayid. In fact, Sayid is called "Mr. Jarrah" on the show, but his father never is.
"Mr." is a title. We could refer to every man on Lost as "Mr" ("Mr. Jack Shephard" is technically accurate) but we usually only use "Mr." when the character has been identified as "Mr." e.g. Mr. Eko, Mr. LaShade. When we only know a character's last name, we usually simply call them by their last name e.g. Lacomb, Brennan, Sullivan, Cunningham. --- Balk Of Fametalk 20:40, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Because nearly every character's parents' article, whose first name is unknown, also called "Mr. [surname]" or "Mrs. [surname]". You do reminds me that "Juliet's father" or "Kevin's father" had never been referred as "Mr. Carlson" or "Mr. Callis" in the show, and "Mr. Callis" sounds like Kevin to me too. Beside this, I know "Mr. Kwon" is what credited in episodes, but isn't it sounds like Jin? And indeed, someone referred Jin as "Mr. Kwon" in the show too. Also, he name "Sayid's father" is not entirely appropriate, as we know the man is also Omer's father. Based on the fact that we can 100% sure the man's surname is Jarrah, and you said Mr. can refers to every men on Lost, but we can't call the article "Jarrah", why not rename it to "Mr. Jarrah"?Sroczynski (talk) 23:28, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

And why can't we call this article Jarrah? (I'd say we can't because several characters are named Jarrah, most notably Sayid, a main character. But that reasoning should equally well prevent us from calling the article "Mr. Jarrah.")

With other characters' parents, there's usually no ambiguity. "Mr. Carlson" can refer to no one but Juliet's father. "Mrs. Dawson" can refer to no one but Michael's father.

"Mr. Kwon" can refer to someone besides Jin's father - it sounds like it refers to Jin himself - so I'd rather we title that page "Jin's father." However, John Shin was officially credited as "Mr. Kwon" (Sayed Bedreya was officially credited as "Sayid's father.") "Mr. Callis" is similarly a bad title, but Kevin Callis is a comparatively minor character, so I don't think it really matters. --- Balk Of Fametalk 23:54, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

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