Shouldn't the info on the video go in a separate article on the video itself? We have different articles on the other videos. --PandoraX 20:29, 7 February 2007 (PST)

No, I don't think so. Without descriptions of the audio and video in the room there isn't much of a point to the article. If it ends up getting too long though, I could see breaking it up into separate articles. In the meantime we could make a redirect for room 23 video. --   Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 20:38, 7 February 2007 (PST)


It's mentioned that Karl is watching a "brainwashing" video, but due to the flashing images and the loud music, the immediate impression of a few people I watched the episode with was that the purpose of the room was sensory overload, or disorienting Karl so that he'd later be more prone to suggestion.

Zepplin reference?

I saw a reference in someone's review of the episode to the text in the video being similar to something from Led Zepplin. Can anyone confirm or deny? --Jackdavinci 05:05, 8 February 2007 (PST)

  • It's possible that some of the photos featured in the video are similar to the Led Zeppelin III album, in which one can rotate a wheel and view a collage of random pictures, but the diologue didn't seem familiar to me....--MightyRearranger 13:04, 8 February 2007 (PST)

Actually, i think they mean that in the sence that one of Led Zeplins songs, if played backwards, reveals a 'Hidden Message'. This also happens to the audio in the Room 23 video. --Theguyrules


  • Someone please upload it to youtube and link it to the article. Much obliged. --PandoraX 07:29, 8 February 2007 (PST)

youtube - frehly uploaded

I uploaded the video before 20-30 minutes, so it will be maybe unavailable for some time ... i hope it will be ok. --Running 15:16, 8 February 2007 (PST)

Add it when the video is on youtube, will be no problem then as far as im concerned :) --lewisg 15:17, 8 February 2007 (PST)
  • Thanks! Looks great. --PandoraX 18:41, 8 February 2007 (PST)


  • Any D&B fans know what this track actually is? I feel like I've actually heard it before. --PandoraX 18:41, 8 February 2007 (PST)
There is a thread on DogsOnAcid about it, most users think it was written for the show (by the Lost scorers).--ZinCh 09:06, 9 February 2007 (PST)

Backwards talk?

I've heard it suggested that there is "backwards talk" in the audio similar to Wet Walt or the Whispers. Has anyone done an audio analysis yet? --Jackdavinci 05:15, 9 February 2007 (PST)

Frame 44

If you rotate the image clockwise by 90 degrees it looks more like a picture of a backstage to a film studio.

Which image are you referring to as "frame 44"? --Jackdavinci 11:53, 9 February 2007 (PST)

The image "Frame 44" is the one that has been described as a factory and is the sixth image shown on the article page. CJDTrismegistus 10.57, 10 February 2007 (GMT)

IV drug

The IV bag is labled with a substance that ends in "Chloride". Any ideas or seen better caps? --Jackdavinci 11:53, 9 February 2007 (PST)

Unfortunately, many IV drugs are chlorides, because that's often the best chemical form for getting it into solution. So unless we can get the first part, it doesn't mean much. Bellemichelle 11:59, 9 February 2007 (PST)
  • To be exact, the word "Chloride" isn't really even part of the drug... it's part of "Sodium Cloride", which is merely the saltwater dilutent in the IV bag, so that's why I took this out of the main article. It really doesn't say anything about the drug, which likely isn't a chloride compound at all; we dissolve everything from barbituates to antiemetics in solution (and the NaCl is just to level out the osmolarity in the blood). --PandoraX 06:54, 10 February 2007 (PST)
  • Hooray for the doc, with her complicated explanations for which my tiny brain cannot understand! High school chem sucked... --Marik7772003 06:57, 10 February 2007 (PST)
It may well be saline solution; if he is forcibly being kept awake, may the IV drip keep dehydration at bay? ∇ϕ 02:27, 12 February 2007 (PST)

Err, yeah. Thanks for explaining that better than I could, Pandora! *hangs Biology-degreed head in shame* Bellemichelle 08:47, 12 February 2007 (PST)

A Clockwork Orange

I think there are some interesting references to [1]"The Ludovico Technique" in A Clockwork Orange film and, in general, the [2] Aversion therapy. Alex, the protagonist of the film (or book, if you want) accept a two-week treatment: he has to look a video taking a drug by vein. By the way, the purposes are opposite: "A Clockwork Orange" video content is about things that you have to avoid, while the "Room 23" video content is about things you have to do.


I thought we weren't allowed galleries? --lewisg 04:48, 12 February 2007 (PST)

True, a conventional stand alone gallery is considered stepping out of fair use territory. But before anyone gets delete happy, fair use can be satisfied by either sprinkling the images throughout the article to illustrate particular points, or by putting them into an analysis chart similar to what we've done with the list of Others or what we did with the different pieces of the Lost Experience Video. --Jackdavinci 07:05, 12 February 2007 (PST)

The person talking

Hey did any one think it was Ms. Klugh talking? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bassdude (talkcontribs) .


I've noticed a few edits going back and forth about the speedometer being marked at 55, so I looked into it. Assuming that it actually is a speedometer from a 92-93 Honda Accord, the speedometer actually wasn't marked at 55 on that model. Maybe it's part of the sublimal aspects, instructing the viewer to slow down? -BearDog 09:45, 14 February 2007 (PST)

It is probably a speedo from an earlier model Accord. A quick search on Ebay for "accord instrument cluster" will show several pictures for comparison. It seems the earlier models (90 or 91) had the 55 highlighted, but it was removed on later models. I actually found out what kind of speedo it was on a car forum I frequent. Bryce 15:09, 16 February 2007 (PST)
There was a period in the United States when car manufacturers were by law required to mark "55" on the speedometer because this was the national speed limit for states receiving federal highway funds. There's not signifigance to the number "55" other than used to be the highway speed limit. It's not altered by the Lost production team for any special meaning.

White Streaks

Anybody notice those white markings that some of the pictures in the video have before the "Think About Your Life" screen? Some of them look like cursive writing, although that just might be some wishful thinking on my part. What do you guys think? -PsychoYoshi 16:00, 14 February 2007 (PST)

I noticed that too but I took some screenshots, and even if you add them all together they don't seem to make any kind of meaningful pattern. --Jackdavinci 23:02, 14 February 2007 (PST)
I seen them, I really didnt really think anything about it.WarthenMan

Anagram for adam and eve

The anagram embedded in this episode, I am sure will be one of the phrases in the video. Why else would they sound so disjointed. I tried some anagram solvers and came up with: cavern eighth synge Now I don't know what the synge means but cavern? eighth? could the cave be the entrance / exit to another station? maybe eyepatch man killed adam and eve? just a thought.

I looked up some anagram solvers recently and searched, "only fools are enslaved by time and space", and found a VERY spoilery anagram. I also saw the anagram on an entertainment weekly video. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't look up the anagram for "only fools are enslaved by time and space". Just a warning for those who don't want to know. I'm sorry I looked.-Linus2342 20:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


I'm not sure that all the pictures are of a doll. Doesn't the last one look more human? Is it possibly a body? -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 02:06, 26 February 2007 (PST)

Reference to Brave New World?

Could Room 23 be a reference to Brave New World by Aldous Huxley? For example: In BNW, a process called Hypnopaedia is used to condition the children with moral values. This is done by repeating almost propaganda phrases over and over, much like the video in Room 23. Also, the man guarding the compound is named Aldo, short for Aldous maybe.

"The Room" from Three Minutes?

In "Three Minutes", one of the Others threatened Walt with "going back to the room." Do you think he might have been referring to Room 23? I'm relatively new here, so someone else can make the call, but I think this at least deserves a mention. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Theonlysaneone (talkcontribs) .

This theory is already on the theories tab. --Blueeagleislander 00:51, 22 April 2007 (PDT)


How do we know that the film is DHARMA? --DharmaMan 16:30, 11 June 2007 (PDT)

We don't. It clearly has DHARMA elements - the buddhism stuff, and the pictures of DHARMA agents, and it's in a DHARMA facility, but it also has clearly Others related material - "Jacob" and we only see it use for the purposes of the Others. So the origin has not been made clear. --Jackdavinci 16:32, 12 June 2007 (PDT)

Full Official Video

I added the full lenght video, maybe some of you must be interested, it includes more images and messages.--jrcaporal22:07, 28 September 2007 (PDT)

Wow! There's so much in the full length vid. Is it worth creating a new article to break it down, rather than confusing the issue with what was broadcast in the episode? What's the best way to handle all this new information?--TechNic|talk|conts 16:26, 23 October 2007 (PDT)

Thing with buttons and switches

At 2:03 in the full-length video you can see what appears to be the piece of equipment that was sitting on the table outside where they were holding Jack in the aquarium thing. I don't know if it's a sequencer or old computer part (more Sage stuff?) or what, but it looks like the same one. Skrizzle 01:03, 29 December 2007 (PST)Skrizzle

Cultural References?

No offense to any of the people who added them, but I think we need to remove some of the references that are listed under cultural references. It may be possible that 23 isn't just referring to the Lost number, but I seriously doubt that it has anything to do with Room 237 from The Shining, which just seems ridiculous from my point of view. A couple others are on the edge too. Dylnuge 13:27, 9 February 2008 (PST)


someone deleted "In the keyboard close up, you can see the Windows key which first appeared on keyboards in 1995, 3 years after the Purge wiped out The Dharma Initiative." because "the Others have access to modern technology" but the video was made by Dharma which was wiped out before the windows key was invented. so, should the blooper stay or go? --Gluphokquen Gunih 16:43, 2 July 2008 (PDT)

This looks to be the Windows Vista key. Although I don't know exactly when these started appearing on keyboards of new computers, Vista was announced in July 2005 and released in November 2006. Both of these dates are after December 3rd 2004 (Day 73) when Karl is rescued from room 23. The keyboard appears at 21 seconds of the full length video. --Gold ninja 13:24, 6 July 2008 (PDT)

Homage to Timothy Leary's "How to Operate Your Brain"

There's INCREDIBLY striking similarities between the Room 23 video and Timothy Leary's 1994 "How to Operate Your Brain" (YouTube link). I don't want to add it without getting comments here first. What do you guys think? Also to note is that Timothy Leary was the real-life Richard Alpert's partner in psychedelic research beginning at Harvard, before they were fired together. -CapitalQ 04:28, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Possible jughead reference

The object with a ball at the bottom and three rungs at the top could be a nuclear bomb - perhaps a referance to jughead or Alvar Hanso's early military links - --Snerp 09:34, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Religion and Ideologies

Without doing a re-edit I'm curious why the text about ascension and Jacob's ladder completely removed from that section of the page. The description is, indeed, elsewhere in the page, but the religious significance remains. Can I get a clarification as to why the text should be removed completely? Cabeckett 02:50, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

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