I've begun a reformation of the articles on mysteries on this site, dissatisfied with the incomplete and often inaccurate information on it for the past few years. So I've spent the past couple of months working on this new article, "Questions and Answers", to offer reliable and accurate information. I will probably continue to subject it to edits and amendments. I also plan to overhaul the Portal:Mysteries page soon.
User:MrLockeIsAWarrior - 5:05 PM, February 21, 2018 (EST)
Great page. Small point, Michael Emerson has hinted that when he as a prisoner as Henry Gale during Season Two, he was talking about himself, and not about Jacob, when he was discussing the leader of the Others to Sayid and later to Locke (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltGmO2Su7I). I think this makes more sense as Ben would have no reason to believe that Jacob would kill him for failing his task. However, he would have great reason to have Locke fear him as a leader not to be messed with seeing as how he felt greatly threatened by Locke, even if Locke didn't realise at that moment that Ben was talking about himself --Villain fan (talk) 11:43, September 1, 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks! Sorry I didn't reply sooner, I didn't notice your message in here until just now. I agree with you that Ben referring to himself as "the unforgiving leader" is a great interpretation of his line. I actually tend to prefer that idea personally. I'll add it to the possible interpretations of that question on the page.
- I'll still leave open the interpretation that it could be an allusion to Jacob, just because the writers seemed to hint that "he" was Jacob in their podcasts. But I will also include the idea of Ben referring to himself, because as you pointed out, it fits well, and in fact perhaps fits better.
- Thanks for the link to that interview, I vaguely remembered Emerson saying that at some point but I wouldn't have been able to find it myself.
- That reminds me, as an aside, I have actually been missing a few citations in this article since I wrote it.
- For example, I distinctly remember in the months after Season 5, there was an interview in which Lindelof strongly hinted at the answer to the pregnancy problems, alluding to an important historical event between Ethan's birth and Juliet's arrival decades later. I remember reading this, but can't seem to find it.
- Additionally, I've been missing an interview shortly before Season 6 when the writers suggested they could answer the significance of Walt being special without using Walt himself to do it. (Although I actually recall reading this somewhat recently, but can't seem to find it anymore.)
- I also remember forum discussion about production info coming out around the time of Across the Sea, divulging that the episode is meant to start out set in 4 AD, but I'm not sure where to find a source for this either.
- User:MrLockeIsAWarrior - 23:00 PM, December 31, 2018 (EST)
No problem. I know the first two interviews you are referring to, but I can't currently find them either. Again, well done on the page and all the sources, it's really quite an accomplishment --Villain fan (talk) 21:22, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you. I probably could clean it up a bit, there are some typos and things here and there that could be phrased better. I'll probably get around to it eventually. MrLockeIsAWarrior (talk) 20:41, January 6, 2019 (UTC)
- I have a few ideas of how it could be possible. Basically, four options how he crossed the water come to mind:
- One has occurred to me thinking about how he appeared at both the Barracks and the Hydra on the same night, despite both locations being separated by ocean. And so it seems to me that he could have perhaps just sailed on an outrigger to the freighter, unseen. (Maybe it was at night, or just no one on the freighter was looking to notice. Or it could be as something as strange as he disguised as an insect and rode on the Zodiac with Daniel's first group.) This may seem too troublesome for a single appearance on the Freighter, though I think MIB might be willing to do it if he was interested enough in the Freighter going-ons, since so many of Jacob's "players" were involved there. A bigger issue would be how he gets back to the beach -- riding on some flotsam?
- A second option that occurred to me more recently was whether his prohibition to fly over the ocean only applies to his smoke form. His smoke form has shown some physiological limitations over the series (he always seems to usually float close to the ground, for example, and I think he only appeared high up in the air on a couple of rare occasions, maybe from momentum.) And I can certainly see how water might be a problem for him, especially as to how we see electromagnetism get absorbed through water in the last episode. But, it seems that in some forms or under some conditions, he can cross water -- such as by riding in an outrigger as a human, as previously noted. Could he also manifest as something with a natural flying ability, like a Seagull? Is his limitation of dwelling in mid-air restricted only to his natural smoke form or to all of his forms? (By Season 6, he wouldn't be able use this to his advantage anymore, since he could only switch between Smokey and Locke following Jacob's death, as noted by Ilana and the writers. I always inferred this phenomena to be apart of Jacob's rules.)
- A third option could be related to how he has been known to "project" a vision from the distance of his main "body" of essence, such as when he appeared as Isabella in Ab Aeterno and a few other occasions. It might be that he could make himself appear to Michael briefly on the Freighter, then, if he's not really crossing the water, but simply has a power to appear to an individual on a mental/spiritual level. (Then again, I'm not sure if these sorts of "visionary" projections require close proximity or can be done over such a long distance.) But I do rather like this option, given the overall "visionary" nature of how Christian appears to Michael.
- A fourth option that I might mention as a last resort could be that he had some other ability that he lost following Jacob's death. Maybe he could teleport, or maybe he could even fly over water before but not after. The reason I mentioned this is just because he seemed limited in some of his abilities following Jacob's death. It's specifically noted how he's now limited in the forms he can manifest. I also noticed that he never seems to use his "scanning" ability in Season 6 after Jacob's death, despite the fact that it would have been particularly useful during this period. (For example, he could have just scanned Widmore's memory instead of threatening him to talk about Desmond.) So I tend to wonder if he's become limited in a number of his powers following Jacob's death, not just his shapeshifting.
- On this same note, I think it's worth mentioning that I think the writers may have intended Christian to be the Monster back in Season 4. This is because they basically confirmed Yemi was the Monster on their podcast a couple of days after The Cost of Living aired. On that same discussion, Lindelof made a point to mention "Yemi's body is gone, similar to Christian's", as though to point the podcast listeners in the direction of Christian as being the Monster this early on. I don't think the writers really had worked out the system of all their mythological rules until the last 2 seasons. (So the problem of the Monster manifesting on the Freighter seems like an accident from a very late-stage rule incorporated later in Season 6 for the purpose of justifying the logistics of "Locke"/O'Quinn using outriggers.) So this sort of fits with the idea that MIB attains new limitations from killing Jacob, if that is the writer's catch-all rationalization for inconsistencies between his abilities pre- and during Season 6.
- So those are my thoughts on how he may have appeared. I know some fans basically just resort to saying, "maybe this was an exception, it was the real Christian". But since the writers' official answer and final statement about Christian's appearances are that they were the MIB, I try to fit that answer where possible unless it's absolutely necessary to change it. (Though in the case of the visions in St. Sebastian's hospital to Jack, I think the writers fortunately imparted special circumstances revealed in the dialogue to give us room to say that it's the real Christian's ghost. I wrote more on that in the Q&A for 4x10.)
- There's also more that could be said, some more considerations weighing in pros and cons of different interpretations of this matter, but I will just leave it at this for now.
Thanks for your response, those are great ideas. The one problem I still have with it is that the freighter was outside the Island's radius, so I would think that the monster was prevented from travelling that far. --Villain fan (talk) 10:47, February 10, 2019 (UTC)
- I think the freighter was inside the Island's radius, since Jin was time flashing, even though he started in the vicinity of the freighter wreck. Also, the whispers can be heard when Christian appears, which Michael later states are trapped on the Island. (A quick note: I don't think this necessitates that the Christian apparition here as his ghost, as the whispers also herald some other non-ghost appearances, like MIB's appearance at the Barracks in 5x09.)
- I think the issue there is that the helicopter was outside the radius. But I think that's because it was high up enough above the range. I don't the Island's radius was like a perfect 3D sphere encompassing the Island. I think it was a more uneven shape, based in a limited electromagnetic protrusion from the crust of the island and the surrounding ocean. So even though Jin/the freighter is further away from the actual crust of the island itself compared to the helicopter, I think the helicopter is more distant from the "grip" of the overall radius just in how high up it was from the ocean + distance from the island's mountainous peaks.
- The freighter smog also disappears when the Island moves in 5x01, but I think that's less to do with the radius and more to do with the survivors time flashing to an earlier time period prior to the freighter's destruction.
The freighter must be outside the Island's time radius at least given Daniel's experiments and the body of the doctor showing that time is different on the freighter than on the Island, and also because Desmond experiences time sickness when passing across the time barrier. The reason I think the freighter is outwith the Island's radius is because it doesn't move through time with the survivors and Juliet says in Jughead that anything they're touching goes along with them (such as the rope at the well which Sawyer is pulling) and there was people surely touching the freighter at the point of the time flash. I think the freighter was very close to the time barrier (explaining why Regina and others also experienced time sickness eventually) and that the explosion threw Jin past the barrier, explaining how he time flashed with those on the Island --Villain fan (talk) 11:52, February 10, 2019 (UTC)
Just to be clear, I believe there are three types of displacement seen on the show. They all have separate causes, symptoms and consequences, though they all stem from exposure to the Island's electromagnetic energy and are similar in certain ways.
The first is what happens when a person is exposed to a prolonged or intense blast of electromagnetic radiation, thus displacing that person's consciousness and sending them shooting around in their own personal timeline, as what happened to Desmond when he turned the failsafe key (224, 308) and why he had flashes of the future (317).
The second is a time sickness that arises when people cross the time barrier surrounding the Island on a compass bearing that isn't correct or when that person is too close to that barrier for too long, as what happened to Desmond in the helicopter (405). Because he had been exposed to the Island and electromagnetic energy more in the past, he was affected while Frank and Sayid weren't. Similarly, Minkowski must have been exposed to electromagnetic energy in the past also (by some unknown means), thus explaining why his consciousness became displaced when his Zodiac raft crossed the time barrier. This barrier normally displaces a person or thing in time (thus why things were arriving to and from the Island at different times than they should have), but it can also displace a person's consciousness if they have previously been exposed to electromagnetic energy significantly. Even if one hasn't been exposed to such levels of electromagnetic energy previously, however, the close proximity to the time barrier will still cause eventual afflictions (as what happened to Regina when she jumped overboard).
The third is when exotic matter distorts spacetime and allows someone to physically travel through space and time, as what happened to those on the Island when Ben and Locke turned the wheel.--Villain fan (talk) 11:57, February 10, 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that anyone other than Jin survived the freighter explosion, as the writers don't show anyone. Since dead bodies don't seem to travel with the donkey wheel's time flashes (as seen with Charlotte's body), I don't think any manmade objects they might touch would travel with them.
- As for the freighter's distance in Season 4, I believe it had gotten closer to the Island in the finale. There's some inconsistency about the distance over the two seasons, but in Season 3 it's indicated that the freighter is 80 miles away, a couple of comments in Season 4 suggest it's 40 miles away - or Regina mentions 40 kilometers away from Daniel's position during the rocket experiment (which I think is equivalent to about 24 miles, unless they are using a different measurement system than what I calculated this by.)
- In 4x12, once the engines have been repaired, Desmond and the helmsman Hendricks have a conversation. Desmond tells him to take them to the Island, and reminds him to use the correct bearing. However, because of the radio interference from the C4 explosives, Hendricks states, "I can't see the reef, [...] if we don't turn it off, I'm not going any closer than 5 miles off the coast". So this suggests that he at least took the boat a good extent closer towards the Island than what it had been for most of the season, just not too close. But I figure it was close enough to be in the radius.
- I agree with you on the types of displacement.
Great points. You should translate some of that into an answer section for your Q&A page, and I would recommend explaining the nature of Desmond's time sickness also as he passes across the time barrier (currently you don't ask or answer how or why Desmond experiences displacement during The Constant when Sayid and Frank don't). I have another citation for you also in regard to why MiB dragged Locke away during Exodus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmPawH54tg&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR10eVRLT09UUxh0re1Y35kQBhiOW2YUe332UfiPgArUihtScJJpcIv_hNU). Lindelof basically confirms here that MiB was testing Locke's faith and his reaction to being turned on. --Villain fan (talk) 15:27, February 10, 2019 (UTC)
I have some other possible questions and answers for your page (the questions are taken from the Tv Critic's list of unanswered Lost questions):
1. How exactly did any of them survive the impact of a plane crashing into a beach? (Pilot, Part 1; 101).
The electromagnetic energy probably cushioned the landing since it's what pulled the plane to the Island (Live Together, Die Alone, Part 2; 224).
2. Did Richard Malkin really know what would happen to Claire? (Raised by Another; 110).
Richard Malkin admits to being a fraud (?: 221), but I believe it's possible he was recruited by Jacob to ensure Claire boarded Oceanic 815 and made it to the Island. Jacob perhaps paid Richard Malkin for his assistance or he perhaps brought Richard's daughter back to life, as he did for Dogen's son. Richard Malkin certainly seemed too set on having Claire board the plane for it to be coincidence. It wasn’t the destination that he was important, it was the flight. It had to be this exact flight, he claimed. At this exact time. No other.
3. How do the Others judge who good people are? (The Other 48 Days; 207).
The Others kidnapped non-Candidates to join their group who were considered "good people". Those people didn't need to be tested by Jacob to become protector of the Island.
4. What did the vaccines do that Ethan gave Claire and why did they have the numbers on them? (Maternity Leave; 215).
These are separate vaccines than the fake ones Desmond had (201). They were part of the medicine that Juliet developed to help the pregnant women negate the negative effects of the electromagnetic energy on the Island (317). The syringes have the numbers on them because they are unused syringes made by Dharma, who were obsessed with using the numbers for everything (e.g., the code at the Swan, the hatch serial number, etc.)
5. Danny Pickett says Jack wasn't on Jacob's list, but Jack was on Jacob's list of candidates, so which list is Pickett talking about and who was on this list? We saw Ethan and Goodwin instructed to make lists (301). What is the difference between their lists and Jacob's? (I Do; 306).
This list was the list of people the Others should kidnap and have join their group. It wasn’t the list of candidates, because the Others didn’t even know about the candidates. In 312, Mikhail says that Kate, Locke and Sayid aren’t on the list because they are "flawed, angry, weak, and frightened", referring to specific faults they have. Those on the list were seen as being compatible with the traits of the Others. As for the origin of this list, Ben referenced many lists given to him by Jacob in the Season Five finale, so it's likely this list really did come from Jacob (probably via Richard).
6. How can Ben be so sure that Jacob will cure Rachel's cancer? Why should Juliet have faith in Jacob and does she? (One of Us; 316).
I suppose Juliet saw miraculous occurrences on the Island during her time there so she had a degree of faith.
7. Why does Richard claim that fertility projects are a novelty? What is the work he thinks the Others ought to be doing? (The Brig; 319).
I suppose because Richard has been on the Island for so long that diverting all of the Others' attention to saving a few women perhaps seems insignificant to him in the long term.
8. Why has Ben been blocking communications from the island? (Through the Looking Glass, Part 1; 322).
To stop Wilmore from finding the Island.
9. Who does Juliet "look just like"? (The Other Woman; 406).
Ben's mother. He blamed her death on all the misery in his life, thus his obsession to stop the pregnant women from dying and his obsession with Juliet, the woman who looks just like the mother he lost and who also may be able to save the pregnant women.
10. Why do the Others want Juliet to kill Daniel and not want to do it themselves? (The Other Woman; 406).
There is speculation from some fans that Harper in fact died and that this appearance was MiB, but I find that unlikely since he'd never be able to fulfil his loophole, kill Jacob, and leave the Island if everyone on it ended up dead. I believe thatHarper possibly wanted Juliet dead and so sent her on a suicide mission to kill Daniel and Charlotte, thus ensuring the gas would be released (the gas was sent to be released by Ben as a contingency plan once the freighter folk reached the Island to kill them all). There is also a deleted scene from the episode in which Ben "jokes" to Locke about communicating with the Others via flushing secret messages down the toilet. I believe this was probably deleted because it seemed a bit silly and also because the writers wanted it to be kept more of a mystery over how Ben was communicating with Harper during the episode. Alternatively, Harper's goal may have just been to create a rift between the Losties and the Kahana folk, or she may have been acting on her own accord, believing to know it was what Ben wanted.
11. How is Harper able to disappear so quickly? (The Other Woman; 406).
The Others had a habit of appearing and disappearing suddenly, such as when Richard appears suddenly to child Ben in The Man Behind the Curtain, and more notably during Season Two when they terrorise the tail section survivors and kidnap Cindy very suddenly.
12. Why does the Orientation video rewind when Locke is trying to watch it? (There's No Place Like Home, Part 2; 413).
Likely because of the electromagnetic energy beneath the Orchid.
13. How exactly did Ben know to blow a hole in the Orchid chamber? (There's No Place Like Home, Part 3; 414).
How to move the Island was probably one of the things he was told how to do by Richard when he became leader of the Others.
14. Who is attacking Hurley and Sayid? (The Lie; 502).
Agents of Widmore to extract information about the Island. They carried tranquilizers, not guns.
15. Why did some of the survivors go to 1977 and not others? (316; 506).
Only the candidates travelled to 1977. Sun was no longer a candidate because she became a mother.
16. Miss Hawking claims the island is always moving, yet Widmore's boat found the island seemingly static. Did the hatch implosion (224) somehow fix the island's location? (316; 506).
The Island is always moving location (it only started moving in time once Ben turned the wheel), but very, very gradually.
17. Did Jacob resurrect Locke when he hit the ground or was he just waking him up? (The Incident, Part 1; 516).
I think he might have resurrected him.
18. Why was the Temple water dirty? How does it heal people? Was it dirty when they healed Ben? (LAX, Part 2; 602).
The colour of the spring may reflect the balance between good and evil on the Island. The water was once clear and had the power to heal, because Jacob was still alive, such as when Ben was saved. Once Jacob died, the water darkened and it was thus then controlled by the dark. The Others weren’t aware of this as Jacob hadn’t died before and so they had never experienced a change in the water before.
19. What makes someone a candidate? (The Substitute; 604).
Someone who Jacob believes will make a good protector of the Island.
20. Why did Jacob never tell Richard about the candidates and how does Ilana know so much? (The Substitute; 604).
Richard's role was to act as an intermediary between Jacob and the people he brought to the Island, as well as to select and advise leaders of the Others, whereas Ilana's role was to protect the candidates, thus she needed to know about them and Richard didn’t.
21. Who is "Wallace" (the name at 108 on the dial)? (Lighthouse; 605).
Just some dude. He was once a candidate, but now he isn’t.
22. Who did kill the Ajira passengers? (Recon; 608).
Widmore, to prevent the use of any further pawns in the war, as confirmed by the Lost Encyclopaedia. Zoe's presence amongst the bodies supports this. --Villain fan (talk) 15:58, February 10, 2019 (UTC)