Talk:Pushing the button

Re: Pushing The Button And--Peephole 10:41, 28 May 2006 (PDT) THe Plane Crash

In an interview with Newsweek before the season 2 finale, Carlton Cuse stated the following: "We are going to tell you why the plane crashed...We're going to explain what happens if you don't push the button.". Therefore:

• For the time being, it should be considered firm that we now know the direct cause of the plane crash and what happens if the button isn't pushed. There may be other factors at play, for instance outside forces that made Desmond leave the hatch etc, but as far as the direct cause of the crash, it is known. Anything else should be considered speculation at this point.--Bernini 16:23, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

I disagree with making this entry sound absolutely conclusive... Not to mention, the new version posted by Bernini omits a lot of good info that was there before I touched it. Here's a link to the version with my edits and the other stuff which is omitted in the current version http://lostpedia.com/index.php?title=Push_the_Button&oldid=43063 --Cleast 16:41, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

Also, the new version is messy (ie. duplicate images at bottom, omitted sections). Up for edit, anyone? --Cleast 16:42, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

I agree some should be put back.. I just did a quick revision back to the last version prior to your overhaul for the sake of simplicity.--Bernini 16:43, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

Overhaul...Overstatement? I actually didn't change very much at all. I mostly just changed grammar and sentence structure to make things more clear, and I changed the wording in several places to reflect that nothing has been 100% proven. I would be satisfied if the wording was changed in "my" version (it's hardly mine, I only added a bit) in a few places to reflect that this is what was suggested by the season finale, and here are the ways it can be interpreted with the info we currently have (ie. Given the dates on the log printout, Desmond speculates that the system failure he caused on Sept. 22, 2004 in turn caused the crash of Flight 815). And, yes, I agree that we do know what happens when the button isn't pushed up until the failsafe is activated. If this is made clear in the article, I'd be fully satisfied. --Cleast 17:11, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

Yeah, I skipped back a few revisions, so calling it "your" overhaul is a bit of an exaggeration. As far as Desmond speculating about the cause of the crash, we still have to accept that the system failure did lead to the crash, especially in the context of the producers' comments. --Bernini 17:20, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

But it should still be called speculation, because within the show, it is speculation. Sorry to be a little argie bargie here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argie_bargie if you aren't familiar with the slang), but I feel like I have a fair point :) --Cleast 17:29, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

Yes... within the show it is speculation, and in the context of the "Lost" mythos it will never be 100% certain. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't accept it as fact that the "system failure" was the cause of the plane crash, especially given the other information --Bernini 17:40, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

I was going to work on this myself the other night, thinking the revisions overall had stuffed up the article. I agree that speculation were presented as fact in the newer revisions, and some of the information in the last edit I worked on had been removed in Peephole's revision (earliest I see a definite overhaul). The newer versions are, I'm sorry to say, a bit of a pig's breakfast in jumping around from subtopic to subtopic and back again. I've cleaned it up a bit again. LOSTonthisdarnisland 01:49, 27 May 2006 (PDT)

Was my version that bad it needed to be reverted completely?--Peephole 04:23, 27 May 2006 (PDT)

LOSTonthisdarnisland, I like what you did with the article in terms of speculation vs. fact, thanks for clearing that up. I think that some of the stuff that was the version before (some of Peep's stuff, perhaps?) still deserves mention... Maybe in a separate article? I'm not sure that the name of the article (Push the Button) is appropriate any more. Should it just be called "The Button", with a section at the beginning defining the act and procedure of pushing the button (like in Peep's version, with my minor sentence structure changes), and everything else following below? --Cleast 15:59, 27 May 2006 (PDT)

I'm not sure; 'The button' redirects, and this is the phrase commonly used for the action. I removed bits about not using the computer to chat, because that is better suited on the computer article than the button one. What if we merged this with the Swan computer article and any other articles related to the computer area, for one good article about the entire system and how it works, button, computer, timer, etc. Thoughts?

No offence Peep, it's just that your revisions were not easily edited to reintroduce the bits you chopped out, and they tended to jump around, as I mentioned before. The best method, I feel, is to approach it chronologically, rather than just leading right in to the conseqences of failure before explaining the basics of the action first. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 17:35, 27 May 2006 (PDT)

I would keep the swan computer seperate. --Peephole 10:41, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

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Added some links to the Hieroglyphics page for ya.

--Jabrwocky7 17:15, 16 February 2006 (PST)

Changed your link from Orientation which is the episode to Orientation Film. I'm guessing that's where you really wanted it to go.

--Jabrwocky7 17:23, 16 February 2006 (PST)

Sweet, thanks Jabrwocky7. You are absolutely right.

--Emory 06:12, 17 February 2006 (PST)

I'm new here so I'm not exactly sure what the etiquette is on adding new theories. I have a theory about the buttom that I don't think I've heard before.. should I just go ahead and add it or should we discuss the theory to see if it is at all viable?

--Dujoducom 22:13, 9 March 2006 (PST)

Add, it's just a theory. Discussions if necessary can come later. --skks 08:41, 12 March 2006 (PST)

is it correct that this articel is a stub? --Cool Man 0912 10:47, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

Apologies up front: I'm new. Does this or any other page cover the theory that the pressing of the button is an analogy for watching the show. "Do this every 108 minutes" equals "Watch LOST every week." "Do this or something vague but really bad will happen" equals "Miss an episode and you'll be sorry." Just a thought that occured to me watching the first episode of this season.

--RazorInTheApple 01:32, 25 April 2006 (PST)

• episode of lost are excluding adverts about 44minutes long, so i don't get it - Mikey
  • Um, that was a joke, right? --RazorInTheApple 16:06, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
    • Is your theory a joke? It doesn't make a lick of sense. Cajuncook 16:13, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
    • His point is that there isn't a correlation between 44 minutes and 108 minutes, so it is a poor comparison. If you are speaking in the general sense that just as the Losties have to push the button, we have to watch the show, that doesn't correlate very well either. Putting all that aside, this page is for discussing what pushing the button means to the story, not what subtle marketing tactics the creators may or may not have used. --chrisbliss18 16:14, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
      • Plus that ABC would get sued out the waa-zoo for making unclear threats at millions of people--CaptainInsano

merge question

• Should this article be merged with the mostly incomplete Station 3 Protocol? Or are we keeping that article for purposes of having a consistent series of protocol article for each station? ^Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  ^Talk 06:15, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
  • Yes, but retain PtB as the title because no one will be searching for the other title. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 07:51, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
    • Done -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 10:45, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

Why Push The Button?

All I can say until the episode is over is just.... WOW Nickvd 19:33, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

Drug plane

It's a good thing they kept logs of when the system failed. That way the islanders can verify that the drug plane full of heroin was also pulled in by the electromagnetic field (someone didn't push the button). --Blakeops 12:32, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

Unless they were destroyed in Swan. LOSTonthisdarnisland 17:52, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

Maybe that was "the incident" mentioned? Do we know when the drug plain started? Umm... and we don't know where the log started counting... After not pushing the button, someone in The Pearl might just print out the log and sent it thru the pipe... Well it could be found in the jungle then... --NPORTERN 04:38, 27 May 2006 (PDT)

The incident was elctro-magnetism, as Kelvin said. I think Desmond would have notice if said SYSTEM FAILURE for ten rows twice. --CaptainInsano

The only one I can see vaguely interested in knowing the cause of the smugglers' plane's demise would be Eko. The others would be more concerned with their own crash. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 17:38, 27 May 2006 (PDT)