I really, really don't think that Boone's "premonition" should count. Hurley also had a dream that Jin spoke English. If Jin learns English, did Hurley foresee it? And does this mean that a man in a chicken suit is going to arrive on the island?--NotARedHerring 12:01, 25 October 2006 (PDT)
What about moving that under "Possible Premonitions"? We really don't know if it's a premonition or not. It's simple : Boone saw Shannon's death, and he saw some other details (like chicken guy) and then Shannon is killed. Not many people dies in the island so this may not be a coincidence.--aykut 12:05, 28 October 2006 (PDT)
How about Walt telling Locke not to open the hatch in the episode "Born to Run"? Would that count? Afterall, lots of bad things happen once the hatch is opened.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jaccuzicasanova5 (talk • contribs) .
Rose's "Premonition"[]
Should this really count? It seems she only had faith in his well being, not future telling.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jcc1033 (talk • contribs) .
Deleting the Mural[]
I deleted the mural section for a number of reasons:
- It's in the wrong location, these are organized chronologically
- The mural is art, and thus subject to a great deal of interpretation. There's no definite prediction here, and I don't agree to things like the arrow pointing to 325 necessarily, or that the priest appears to controlling a Monster (don't see this).
- I think there could possibly be an element of clairvoyance with the fact that there is a black priest in the mural at all, but if this was rewritten in the right section more concisely, with just this objective one line, that might be alright.
--PandoraX 07:25, 22 December 2006 (PST)
Simple list?[]
What do you guys think about changing this article to a simple list? I was thinking the "information" part of the sectionboxes could be simplified to one or two sentences, and people could go read the episode or transcript if they wanted more info. A summary could be added at the top to give a tally of who has had premonitions.
I know this page was changed recently to this new format, so I definitely won't make any drastic changes until there is some feedback.--Dagg 17:44, 22 January 2007 (PST)
- Yeah, the simple list type is right for this type of article.-- Dee4leeds talk contribs all 07:53, 30 January 2007 (PST)
- I actually think it works better with the detail; it may be too difficult to find the premonition in the episode's article oftentimes, and reducing it to a simple list would require significant changes to the episodic articles to maintain the same level of information; That said, the detail section does require some cleanup.--Ex-Pope Cardinal Richard Corey 13:04, 8 February 2007 (PST)
I restored the page to original version since it's a "premonition based" article not episode based one. The episode detail is less important. This version makes user to easily read premonitions and, if necessary, jump into the episode or foreseer's article. The recommended view is not suitable, since user is lost between long paragraphs and bad grouping. Furthermore it's not a good thing to radically change an article's view unless the discussion finalizes. aykut 06:05, 11 February 2007 (PST)
Juliet & the bus[]
- What do you guys think? Did she predict this, was it an odd coincidence/irony (already added it there) or was it a conspiracy murder plot by Bioscience/DHARMA? I didn't add it to this list because I don't think it is clear enough to say yet, but curious who believes what. Keep in mind that there was an Apollo ad on the side. --PandoraX 04:37, 13 February 2007 (PST)
- I think its murder, according to storyline Bioscience guys are very serious. Also there is a Apollo Candy Bar logo on the bus, but photo is taken from a behind-the-scenes. --Znch 04:55, 13 February 2007 (PST)
- I think it's irony (or a subconscious effect of Rachel's superpowers). About the bus, it certainly would have been a cool Easter egg, had they decided to show the Apollo ad in the episode, but they didn't. I think things that don't make it in the actual episodes should be considered non-canon. So, as far as the Lost viewer knows and as far as canon story is concerned, the bus cannot be said to have had an Apollo ad. -- Cheers 06:44, 13 February 2007 (PST)
- It was shown on the episode, just blurry. But I and a few others pointed this out before we saw Ryan's behind-the-scenes photo, you could still see the outline of the font and stars, very familiar to those who have a bar in our fridge. :) screencaps--sledge capped this at my request, and added the Transmission photo as confirmation later --PandoraX 06:48, 13 February 2007 (PST)
Confusion over Claire's FBs[]
- There seems to be a lot of confusion over the chronology of Claire's events (don't blame people, since they did go back and forth quite a bit with her), so I corrected this part. The timeline chronology goes:
- Claire has a dream about Aaron being kidnapped; this is the one with the plane mobile and stigmata-like blood, so that counts as a premonition. ("Raised by Another")
- Claire wakes up in the middle of the night, believing she was stabbed by a needle (she may really have been in a botched attempt, we don't know, so I took this out). ("Raised by Another")
- Claire really is kidnapped. ("All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues")
- Claire is subjected to tests while with Ethan. ("Maternity Leave") (actual flashbacks seen)
- Claire returns to camp but has no memories. ("Special") (arrival towards the end)
- Claire lives on the island with amnesia. ("Homecoming")-("One of Them")
- Claire recovers memories with Libby's help. ("Maternity Leave")
The show episode chronology is:
...so I think this is what is causing some confusion over what is premonitory and what's not. Things that happen earlier in the series do not necessarily happen earlier in island timeline chronology. --PandoraX 05:51, 13 February 2007 (PST)
Time travel, Desmound, De ja vu, Freak Occurances, and the six degrees.[]
UNDERCONSTRUCTION[]
I was, at the start, mainly focusing of flashbacks of the four people in the Hatch when the Fail Safe Key was turned. However I believe that we should compile a list here of dreams or flashbacks or instances that connect with the idea that things are being shown or elluded to before they actually take place, or in Visions of the deceased coming back to life, or occurances of de ja vu. I think there is also a connection with some of the visions seen, and the bodies that are buried or resting on the island. Please note instances where these charecters take form via visions. I would like if a few others could help. Anyone feel free to edit, add ideas, or challenge ideas stated.
I'd like this for now to contain objective information, as this is for now research and me sharpening my concepts.
Locke[]
- Episode "Further Instuctions" Season "3"
- In the sweat lodge, for a time it seems Locke will not see anything, until Boone shows up sitting next to him. Locke, at this point, can't talk, but mouths "I'm sorry" to Boone. Boone forgives him and says that he'll be able to talk when he has something worth saying.
- Boone then escorts Locke, again confined to the wheelchair, through the airport, saying that someone in the airport needs his help. Charlie, Claire and Aaron are "fine, for awhile", and appear to be a family in the vision. He sees Jin and Sun arguing, but Boone says that Sayid can handle it. Hurley is behind the counter of the ticket agency, entering the Numbers into a computer. Kate and Sawyer are bantering in the waiting line at the scanners, while Jack is being scanned with a hand-held metal detector (which emits the beep of the computer timer in the Hatch) by Ben Linus. Boone says that Locke "can't help them, at least not yet."
- Desmond is the pilot in the vision, and has three attractive flight attendants following him, to which Boone responds "he's helping himself." Desmond is on an escalator when we first see him, and for a second, you can see a woman who resembles Penny taking the escalator up. Locke rides to the top of the escalator and finds blood all over Mr. Eko's stick. Locke concludes that he must save Eko's life, as Boone says he first has to clean his own mess.
- Episode: "?" Season: "2" Link:
- In a dream, Yemi appears before Eko and directs him to climb the cliff. Upon reaching the top, Yemi says "Wake up John", and in terror, Eko loses his grip of the cliff and falls back to the bottom. Locke is shown waking up from a disturbing nightmare. When he begins to describe his dream, Eko tells him that the priest he saw was his brother, Yemi. Locke stated that Yemi wanted him to follow. He then looks up the cliff from his dream, and Eko proceeds to climb the cliff.
Mr. Eko[]
- Episode "?" Season "2"
- Flashes in dream: (There were other scenes from the flases, however I'm only including those I feel connect or relate to my theories and assertions.)
- The smoke coming out of the forest towards Mr. Eko.
- Bare feet walking in the jungle with the teddy bear on a leash behind them.
- (When this actually happened, Eko seemed to know that the people he was refering to left no traces. This could have also been from previous attacks on the Tailies.)
- Flames with the Arrow logo behind them.
- (The first thing I thought about was the similarity between the arrow and the hand on a clock. Could this hatch be related to the flow of time on the island?)
- Mr Eko holding the Bible (the one with the missing film in it?).
- Mr Eko's hand on Goldie's jaw (when they discovered him in the jungle).
- Close shot on Locke's face (he looks surprised).
- A body face down in the water (wearing blue or purple, probably also from when the tailies crashed).
- (I thought this could have something to do with the near drownding of Claire, however the clothing are clearly different and the corpse has brown hair.)
- Very dark shot of Mr Eko with the black smoke in the foreground. His brother's face is in the smoke.
- (Seen before his death, a dead on vision of what his end fate is.)
- Episode "The Cost of Living" Season "3"
- The very first (chronologicaly) flashback scene you see of Mr. Eko is of him and his brother Yemi walking into the sunset, and upon his death, this is the last scene you are left with.
- (I have thought from previously seeing "The Cost of Living", that we are seeing the recycle of time on the island. It seems intended that the last shot seen is the same as the first shot seen, and the recent episode "Flashes Before Your Eyes" seems to back this up now.)
- The very first (chronologicaly) flashback scene you see of Mr. Eko is of him and his brother Yemi walking into the sunset, and upon his death, this is the last scene you are left with.
- He also seemed to know to taste the ground that was salted to prevent growth.
Desmond[]
- Episode "Further Instructions" Season "3"
- While Hurley is wandering back to camp, he comes across a naked Desmond, who emerges out of the bushes. Hurley gives him a tie-dyed shirt from his backpack, while Desmond tells him he just woke up naked, after the implosion. He explains to Hurley about the Fail Safe key, and Hurley asks him if the turning of that key was what "made the blender noise" and "the sky turn purple". Desmond replies he missed that. Hurley tells him the Island vibrated, and that also Jack, Kate and Sawyer saw that, "right before they got bags pulled over their heads." Desmond tries to calm his down, saying that Locke plans on going after them, just like he said in his speech. When Hurley, in confusion, says Locke only said he is going after Eko and the polar bear, Desmond apologises, saying he is a bit shook up.
Questions/New Ideas[]
- After Charlie's death, there is an immediate cut to Aaron crying. My suspicion is that Aaron is psychic and knew that Charlie had died. This isn't exactly a premonition since Charlie was already dead, but I didn't see a "mysterious happening" which it fit under any better. It was information which the main group of which Losties had no knowledge. Where should this theory go?
Daniels card's[]
Does this really belong here? I am going to remove it as it says in the description itself that it is a memory experiment, so it doesn't really count.90.215.87.92 21:18, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Eloise Hawking[]
"She says she has this knowledge because she, too, has lived the events before, and has attempted futilely to change them."
I'm sorry but when did she say this? I don't remember it and if I don't get an answer I'll delete it. --Dr. James (4 8 15 16 23 42) 04:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)