Talk: Portal:Main Characters

Exiled?

How are James, Juliet, and Kate exiled? They are on the sub, but the sub hasn't left. Jack Dutton 01:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The sub was not shown actually leaving the island's waters and, just a few minutes later, SPOILER REMOVED Kainaw 01:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Spoilers...

Agreed. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 02:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

how is exiled a spoiler the spoiler would be saying they are on the island cuz we all know they go back. By the way we did see the sub leaving the island, watch it again and you may notice the giant sub leaving the island. -- B1G CZYGS Talk Contribs 23:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

All listed as missing/unknown?

Even Juliet? Well, except Locke (who's definitely dead) and possibly Sun and Ben (who are probably still alive), but everyone near the Swan in 1977? Illyrias Acolyte 03:03, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm thinking maybe we should list everyone as unknown, even dead people, until we find out whether or not they returned to 2004 or didn't and are therefore still dead. Everybody who was near the bomb is unknown anyway ... Possible exclusion for Desmond and Walt (who would still be alive either way) --LeoChris 03:39, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Every character should be unknown that means AL, Boone, Locke, Eko, Jack, Sun, all of them. From everything weve been told this brings back everyone and the plane lands safely. -- B1G CZYGS Talk Contribs 03:45, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'd caution against that actually, because that's assuming their plan worked the way they thought it would. Perhaps they didn't prevent Flight 815 from crashing but still didn't die, therefore Ana, Boone, et al. would still be dead. Illyrias Acolyte 03:57, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
  - That's just it. Listing the dead as dead assumes it didn't work. Listing them as alive assumes it did. Listing them as unknown doesn't assume anything, so I really think it's the best case scenario. --LeoChris 04:05, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
    - I still think it's assuming too much. I guess I'm suggesting that the people who were alive when the bomb went off are unknown until proven otherwise, like Jin, and the people who were dead in the show before it would be dead until proven otherwise. Illyrias Acolyte 04:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
      - I agree that every character, living or dead, should be listed as unknown, except for Desmond and Walt who are alive either way. If the bomb really went off and the plan worked, then all passengers of Flight 815 would safely land in LA; the Kahana wouldn't be sent to find them, so Dan and Charlotte would be alive too. And if the bomb went off but the plan didn't work, then everyone near the Swan is dead. QuiGonJinn^{Be mindful of the Living Force...} 08:19, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Here's another idea. List all characters with their known status, but leave a note about the Jughead detonation and its possible outcomes. QuiGonJinn^{Be mindful of the Living Force...} 16:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- That sounds better. Listing everyone as unknown is very confusing and defeats the purpose of the color code. I vote for listing the 1977 characters as unknown, Locke as dead, Sun and Ben as alive and everyone else as they were. --kristbg 16:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Right now we have a bit of a mess in this page. If Oceanic 815 lands safely on LAX, how can we be sure that Daniel, for example, stays dead? Or maybe Desmond stays indefnitely on the island? The fact that Jughead exploded next to the energy pocket means that we don't know if the people on the Island at the time are alive, but applying that to EVERY CHARACTER ON THE SHOW is way too much speculation. Let's stick to the facts we have right now... I changed the dead characters' status back to what they were for now. --kristbg 19:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

A New Main Character?

Following the Incident Part1&2, things changed about John Locke. By now John Locke is officially dead, and Terry O'Quinn doesn't portray John Locke anymore. In my opinion, by now Jacob's unidentified enemy is a new main character who is portrayed by a main cast member: O'Quinn. His episode count is 6 so far. I know that two Terry O'Quinns on this portal sound crazy, but there's no John Locke anymore --Paintbox 15:33, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Let's just wait and see on that. For all we know, Locke's soul is in there too somewhere, which would make him part-Locke. That seems very confusing, and we probably shouldn't make this any more complicated without knowing the stakes. Illyrias Acolyte 15:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Paintbox, I agree 100%. Locke should be listed as DEAD here (but he's not -- can someone change that?) and the new character named "Jacob's Enemy" should be added to the portal. Marc604 02:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
He shouldnt be dead we have no clue what his status is thus until the premiere he should be unknown. -- B1G CZYGS Talk Contribs 03:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
we don't? did you watch the same episode as the rest of us? He's dead. If it turns out he's magically alive in the premier, so be it, but this page is based on what we know, and as far as we know, he's dead. --Jtmoore 03:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

No you know what I must have gotten confused and accidentally watched an episode of South Park and thought it was lost. As far as we know blowing up a nuclear bomb will kill you if your right next to it so juliet should be considered dead by your standards. -- B1G CZYGS Talk Contribs 15:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Last time we saw Locke, he was dead. He was a corpse. Last time we saw Juliet, she was alive, if only barely. Hence, Locke is dead. We shouldn't list him as otherwise because we watched Ben kill him and we saw his corpse. For reasons why he shouldn't be listed as unknown because Jughead might have changed the past/future/whatever, see the ones listed above this section. Illyrias Acolyte 15:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

We just saw Lockes dead body, Locke is Dead! Someone needs to update his pic to red...
Agree. Jacob's enemy should be added here. QuiGonJinn^{Be mindful of the Living Force...} 16:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- I agree as well, but with the added caution that we don't know very much about the nature of this character, and we can't presume that he'll be back for the majority of next season, as Locke or as anyone. I'd say add him when we have more information. Illyrias Acolyte 18:22, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Disagree until we have more information next season. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 19:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Im gonna have to call hipocracy here Jimbo I noticed you changed Lockes status to dead on his portal so if lockes dead and you dont consider this enemy a main character then who has O'Quinn been appearing as? There two sides of the fence #1 Locke is dead and O quinn appears as this enemy #2 Lockes alive and oquinss appearing as locke just like old times. -- B1G CZYGS Talk Contribs 20:30, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Then let me be more specific. John Locke is dead, but for the past few episodes we have been considering the impersonator as John Locke, which (to me) still makes John Locke a main character for purposes of character appearances, credits, etc. Now that we have discovered that this is not John Locke, we know that real Locke is dead (hence the portal change). However, we will not know, until next season, whether this new character will be considered a main character or even if he will be portrayed by Terry O'Quinn. Any such episodes after this point should count as appearances/credits/etc of Jacob's enemy, and not of Locke, but any previous episodes should count as Locke because that's the information you operate under while watching the episode (same reasons we don't go retroactively change episode articles to say "Jacob's enemy" instead of Locke). Thus, my disagreement is specifically in adding a new character to the portal until we know what's going on. It's not hypocrisy, it's common sense and it's in keeping with the way episode articles are being done. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 21:09, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Unsure I think Locke should be left as Unknown until we know more. It's interesting that no matter how many times LOST fools us, as soon as a new view is presented, we believe that this time everything is just as it seems all of a sudden.

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Lost: Missing Pieces 2:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
- Locke is dead. If this is proven to be different next season, then it will be changed to accomodate that. But as of right now, he's a goner. *Sniff* Marc604 08:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
As of right now, there are two discussions happening here. First, is Locke dead or unknown. I would say that according to the best information we currently have, Locke is dead and an impostor is pretending to be him. Whether or not this turns out to be the case later on isn't really the issue, we go with what we have for now. Second, should Terry O'Quinn's impostor Locke be added to this page. Main characters are determined by if they are credited as starring roles. So far "Terry O'Quinn as Locke" has been credited as a starring role, but "Terry O'Quinn as Jacob's enemy" has not. Having the actor credited can't be the only consideration, we also have to consider if the character has been credited. Next season if the character is credited as a starring role, then we will have to add it, but until then, no.Triptolemus 14:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Although obviously we have quite as while to think about this, come season 6 should we be showing this new character as a 26th main character? Im presuming here but its safe to say this new character will be a series regular and still played by Terry O' Quinn, should we consider him another main character? Perhaps even right now as of the end of season 5? Btw Locke is most definitely dead, I feel theyve made that very clear, what with his body and all. No need to make him unknown InflatableBombshelter 02:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Are these alive/dead/unknown confirmed by the writers?

Just seems like someone's opinion in some cases, rather than canon. Not that I'm stressing about this, I just want to know what the process is--what is confirmed on Lostpedia, if anything, and what is theory.

As far as the season 5 cast is concerned, we saw Locke's body (so he's definitely dead) and Ben and Sun are alive and well around the Statue. Neither was in any immediate peril. As for the 1977 cast, they were all around a hydrogen bomb when it presumably exploded. They could be alive or dead or blown back in time or a hundred other things, hence the unknown status rather than alive. That's why Claire has been listed as unknown all this time: it's what the category is for. Illyrias Acolyte 14:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
For the most part, statuses are readily apparent to everyone. Obviously some cases are more controversial than others, and in those cases we try to come up with a consensus on this talk page. The writers rarely confirm anything. If they did that would be a definitive answer, but especially with regard to finales, they try to keep quiet. Just because something isn't confirmed doesn't mean it's a theory. We should be able to reach conclusions about things from the show itself without direct confirmation from the writers, and if the information we have now later turns out to be wrong, we'll change it. It's impossible to predict what information we will have in the future, which is why we make decisions based on the information we have now. Nobody's trying to claim that we should take on faith that what appears to be true is actually true, but if we don't have a specific reason to doubt it yet, then we should go with it. Triptolemus 14:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I disagree the stauses are not really apparent as half the cast is unknown its all about perception on this site. --THE REAL DEAL998 03:35, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Follow The Leader

Should Richard not be listed here now after "Follow the Leader"? --Nathan kirkwood 19:18, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

This is a list of series regulars. As of Season Five, Nestor Carbonell is still a guest star, as much as he should be promoted. Marc604 20:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
This list includes only characters who appear in the main credits. Richard is still a guest star. If he should end up being promoted to regular status next season, then we will add him, but until then, he stays out. Just because he got an episode to himself (supposedly) doesn't make him a main character. Six other guest characters have had flashbacks, and only one of them is in here (Desmond). Illyrias Acolyte 23:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah just look at the names under the "Starring" part those are the MCs im sure though well be able to add him next year when he hopefully gets promoted. -- B1G CZYGS Talk Contribs 23:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Episode Counts

I think the current template has some problems about the episode counts of some main characters. It looks like -for example- Boone had 25 , Walt had 31, and Desmond had 38 appearances as main characters. But this is not true. These characters didn't make all of their appearances as regulars. I think we have to seperate their main cast and guest star appearances in the characters' pages. Otherwise it would be misleading. -- Paintbox 12:35, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see how it's misleading. Besides, the episode counts are only visible in the coding, and we had to order them *somehow*. --LeoChris 14:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't say we have to remove the "episode count" information. I just say that we have to provide the details of the episode count information on each character's page. Let's assume that Richard becomes a series regular in Season 6. I think this character's page should include this information: "Episode Count:26(for example), As a Guest Star:18, As A Regular:8". Doesn't this provide a more accurate information? -- Paintbox 15:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
The episode counts aren't there to provide the information to the reader (we have several other pages for that). It's simply the way we order the portals. There's no need to make it more complicated. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 20:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Spoiler removed now confirmed as series regular

According to TVGuide[1] and various other sources, it was confirmed at Lost's panel at Comic Con 09 that Spoiler removed has been promoted to being a series regular for the final season, and will be in 16 of the final 18 episodes. Does this qualify Spoiler removed for this page or do we have to wait until next year when he's named in the opening credits of an episode as per the stupid rule that's set in place which allows Nikki and Paulo to be included on this list? Juhsayngul 15:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

And how is it a spoiler that someone is now a series regular? Please explain this to me. Nothing new is known about the character nor are any plot details revealed in any way! It is irrational to say that knowing someone's billing status will affect one's enjoyment of the show. It makes no difference whatsoever if someone finds out now than if they find out the very second his name shows up within the first ten minutes of the season anyway. Juhsayngul 15:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

While I agree with you about all your points and have started a discussion this about it, until that gets resolved, rules is rules. Please come contribute to the discussion about "de-spoilering" this so that hopefully we can get the SysOps to agree, which is the procedure under the current spoiler policy (which, it's no big secret that I think sucks). Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 21:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I have read on wikipedia that in 2010 Spoiler removed will be a main chracter. --Station7 17:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

And that is irrelevant and violates the spoiler policy. Do not add any new main cast for next season. At all. Unless you want to get banned. --Golden Monkey 17:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Lock

Can we please lock this page for a bit? Basically, the only edits there can be for a while are people adding spoilers and people removing spoilers. There's not much else that can be done. --Golden Monkey 18:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Before the page is considered for a lock, I beg that the "spoiler" itself should be taken into consideration. There exists a discussion about this exact topic that includes reasoning for this to be exempted as spoiler material. Juhsayngul 05:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Page locked until January 15, 2010. Jabberwock talk contribs email - 16:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

If ABC releases the main cast info before then, can we unlock the page early. What if the season premieres earlier then that. But, good call on locking the page. cgmv123TalkContribsE-mail 17:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

No. Please read Lostpedia:Spoiler_policy#Spoilers_on_Lostpedia. This page will be unlocked when season 6 episode 1 airs. The unlock date can be updated once the airdate is announced. Jabberwock talk contribs email - 18:22, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Smacks head*. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 21:07, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Season Six main character

POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT When do you guys typically add new confirmed main characters to the list? After the season premiere only? Or after the person has been confirmed? The reason I ask is that ABC has announced that Nestor Carbonell has been promoted to series regular for the final season, so he should move from the supporting characters page to this page. Marc604 22:45, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

There was a discussion here that resulted in the SysOps de-spoilering the information regarding Nestor Carbonell so that it can be discussedin the wiki. However, I don't think it's worth it to add him to this page until the season premeiere. Just my two cents. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 23:04, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I just made my voice heard over there. We'll see. Marc604 21:28, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Nikki & Paulo

I really don't care how tired people are of hearing about this. I would discuss it forever because Nikki & Paulo don't belong on the Main Characters page. For that matter I question whether Charlotte and Libby belong here as well. Why is this not a valid topic for discussion?

Why don't you just let people update this page and then we would organize this appropriately ourselves. I'm sorry but is this not a Wiki?--Tpbaxter 19:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Consencus has been reached times and times again that if an actor is listed in the credits starring, their character is a main character. Cynthia, Rebecca, Kiele and Rodrigo were all credited as such. This makes their characters main characters. It's really as simple as that, it's been discussed over and over again. The impact they had (or didn't have) on the story is irrelevant to how they were credited. See, the thing is, if we use any other system, it becomes a subjective thing, which is, in my opinion anyway, unencyclopedic. The page has been locked to prevent casting spoilers. But I think this info has been officially unspoiled since then by Sysops so perhaps it'll be unlocked, I don't know, that's another matter ... --LeoChris 21:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

: Nikki and Paulo are main characters, and there is no debating that. They were credited as such, appeared on season promos, and were main chaarcters in Season 3. They will always be main characters. -- CTS Talk Contribs 23:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
It's been settled a number of times before. If you want to keep discussing it, please bring up a new point. And you're right, this is a wiki. Meaning that user consensus rules. It's not about what you want, it's about what the consensus is. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 07:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I accept the consensus personally but when I was originally reading the debates I wasn't convinced the consensus was having its way. I'll just say if Lost were a book you had to read in high school and you wrote that Nikki and/or Paulo were main characters on a test then you'd probably get that question wrong. Strangely enough, didn't Terry O'Quinn win an emmy for best supporting actor? It's an ensemble cast so maybe the problem is the categorization method being used? Maybe all the characters should just go on one page?--Tpbaxter 00:27, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

It's best to not bring up the Emmy categories here, as they're completely different. If we go with that idea, then ONLY Jack and Kate will be main characters, as they're the only two to submit themselves in the Lead Actor/Actress categories at the Emmys, Golden Globes, etc. And likely, that same teacher would flunk you for saying that in the whole of Lost, there are ONLY two main characters, and people like Sawyer, Locke, and Sayid are all supporting. Nope. Instead, you need to redefine your definition of "main character." Here at Lostpedia, that term is used to describe anyone who was credited as a regular. That's it. It doesn't matter how important, or how unimportant, they were. THAT is our definition. If you're suggesting a rename from "Main Characters" to "Series Regular Characters," you might have some basis, but no one shall be added or deleted from the main character list, because those listed all adhere to that definition. Marc604 20:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Let's include Marc's latest post in the main characters portal, since it's the most satisfying reply to this never-ending Nikki&Paulo discussion. --Paintbox 08:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Haha! Marc604 20:38, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I would propose a different objective way to decide main characters: a character must both be billed as a main cast member and appear in at least ten episodes. That way all characters considered to be "main characters" would have to have some significance to the show's storyline. This method would exclude Nikki and Paulo but include Charlotte and Libby. Ummagumma108 16:59, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

That's totally subjective and designed with the sole purpose of excluding Nikki and Paulo... --LeoChris 01:06, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Well, other than the fact that it is not subjective at all. It is based on facts, not opinions. If Charlotte had only appeared in ten episodes I'd call for her exclusion as well. Characters who don't make at least ten appearances cannot be important enough to truly be main characters. Nikki and Paulo were listed as main cast members because they were originally planned to be main cast members, but they were so poorly received that they were killed off before they actually got to play the role they were planned to. Nobody watching the show and not seeing the main cast billing would ever assume them to be main characters, but thanks to the current system we are forced to refer to them as main characters anyway. This system is designed to exclude any character who for whatever reason does not fill the role the writers originally intended but still got listed as main characters before the writers knew any better. It just so happens this has only happened once. Ummagumma108 03:25, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

I did not like the Nikki and Paulo characters from the first minute but each of the actors was listed as a star and that's the criterion that was established before I started editing almost two years ago. The system ain't broke; ergo, it does not require fixing.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 03:42, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

to Ummagumma108Ever heard of the saying quality over quantity? The number of appearances should not define what a main character is. Let's take an example outside of Lostdom. Ever heard of Buffy? On that show, one actress was credited as a main cast member for a single episode, in which her character died. Nonetheless, she is still concidered as part of the show's main cast. --LeoChris 03:45, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

to Ummagumma108: It may not be subjective, but it's arbitrary. Why 10 episodes? Why not 5? Or 15? From where we're sitting, it seems that the only reason for you to choose that number is because it excludes Nikki and Paulo while including Libby and Charlotte. How the cast is credited is the criteria used for determining main characters in every show I know of, and it's been the criteria used for this site for over two years, and it manages to be objective, non-arbitrary, unbiased and consistent with every other show out there. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 04:11, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Jimbo: I suppose that's a fair point. Truth be told I just picked 10 before looking up their episode counts because it seemed like a good number, but it is arbitrary nonetheless. It is difficult, however, to be objective and non-arbitrary when using a very subjective and arbitrary term like "main character." Ummagumma108 04:23, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yah I see no reason to remove Nikki or Paulo the rules are fine as is. --THE REAL DEAL998 00:09, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Death

SPOILER REMOVED, Damon says. Should be moved. --Golden Monkey 23:24, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

C'mon, man, that's a massive spoiler. You've been around long enough to know better. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 05:27, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

- I guess what you've said is about Juliet's current status. I remember that the next day after "The Variable" was aired, producers confirmed Faraday's death. These comments were not considered as spoilers, and Faraday's status had been set to "deceased" from "unknown" before "Follow The Leader" was aired. I think the same process can be repeated in this case. Lindelof's comment about Juliet is alredy mentioned in Juliet's page: "She was recently confirmed dead by Damon Lindelof (see Trivia), presumably from injuries sustained during the Battle at the Swan." -- Paintbox 17:38, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

- - I'm sorry that I don't consider clarifications about previous episodes to be spoilers. It must be due to the fact that the spoiler policy explicitly says that they aren't spoilers. So basically, I'm so, so sorry for following the site's policies. :) You can safely go back to ignoring canon now...--Golden Monkey 00:55, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

New Cast

Ok can someone please put frank, richard, and ilana on here. Not only do we all know their joing the cast but now the fact that their pictures are similar to the rest of the main cast is a dead giveaway. Not only that but the press releases state their statuses which by defintion of this sites rules makes it not a spoiler. Lets get it done. -- B1G CZYGS Talk Contribs 02:46, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's obvious. Yes, it's stated on the talk page for the spoiler policy that it was despoilered. No, few people remember that and it causes tons of inane wars. --Golden Monkey 00:55, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Pictures

Why ae some of the character's pictures bigger then others? It looks horrible. If we're changing all the pictures to be bigger, we should reconsider because it looks sloppy and unprofessional. --Joshtopher27 22:15, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

I don't agree with you, so are you lookng on the characters face what makes it really cool. The other people doesn't have one, probaly because they don't are from the season 6 cast. It don't look horrible.--Station7 22:17, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Having two different styles does look horrible in my opinion, but I know some (unofficially released?) promo pics exist that could potentially work for some of the missing characters, I'll look into it ... --LeoChris 00:27, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
- How about using something similar to this, Nikki, Charlie ? --LeoChris 00:46, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
  - Either go back to the old style or update everyone to the new style. --Golden Monkey 00:53, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
    - I've modified Pikki's portals and I'm not so sure they're that great ... maybe someone else can come up with something better? The other portals are protected so they'd require Sysop assistance to modify. I'm fully expecting my changes to be reverted though ... but what do you guys think? --LeoChris 03:11, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
I strongly dislike the close-ups of the heads. Look at Desmond: part of his face is covered up by his name. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 05:14, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
What was wrong with the way they were before? Changing the pictures to be bigger aren't beneficial in any way. Please change it back! --Joshtopher27 07:19, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Only Desmond and Walt are looking a bit strage, the other people not!--Station7 07:31, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

It's msart to remove actually escaped and rescued by Desmond and Walt. It is already known that thye are from The Island.--Station7 08:10, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Daniel's picture looks like a cover of Christian rock album, and Charlotte...I just can't find words to describe. I agree with Josh. --Paintbox 08:52, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
Go back!!!! They look horrible ill revert them and someone whos good with this can edit the new promo pics to look like the old ones. -- B1G CZYGS Talk Contribs 19:55, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
Who changed the pictures back to big??? Ahhh change them back!! --Joshtopher27 21:22, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
- Let's just change them back to forth until the premiere and then just stick with whichever one's current when it airs. :p --Golden Monkey 23:22, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
I prefer my versions to having people's heads cut off at awkward angles like (some of) they used to be, thanks. Why do we need the useless "Escaped" and "Rescued" modifiers, anyway? You could just as easily say Desmond "escaped" on the helicopter or that Walt "found rescue" too, so it's a stupid distinction. --Pyramidhead 06:58, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
Dont mean to be rude but dont your pics cut off their heads at wierd angles??? -- B1G CZYGS Talk Contribs 15:45, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
My opinion on Portal Pictures, New S6 Promos [2] are good, current and should be used kept. All others will remain the way they were, with the less tight shots, like this [3] Just my thoughts. cgmv123TalkContribsE-mail 22:12, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

i agree, some from season 5 and some from season 6. So is it good, isn't it?--Station7 22:41, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with removing the "escaped..." tag from the Off Island portal... I've pushed for this before but to no avail. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 08:06, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

2 weeks later and nothing's been done about the pictures? Wow. Lostpedia is getting really lazy and sloppy. --Joshtopher27 21:29, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

... Go ahead and change them? Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 23:11, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
- I can't change them, and even if I did they'd get changed back. --Joshtopher27 23:49, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
Wait a minute, forget all this about which style the portal photos should be. First we need to sort out the actual size of the image. Take a look at the character navs for the cast of Season 6. Example. The image is distorted because it's too small, and it looks really, really bad. I think we should upload sightly bigger versions so that they can be reduced for whichever purpose (such as this portal page), instead of smaller images which are then stretched. Either that or we tell the character navs to make the images smaller, but IMO the bigger nav images are better.--Baker1000 23:35, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
- Sorting out the size? No... That's been taken care of, the images should be 122 pixels wide and 90 pixels tall in order to fit into the portals. Some of them are the wrong size, but only because they haven't been updated yet after the change to the code over the summer which changed how the images are displayed. The issue with these portal images is the "zoomed-in-ness" of the faces on some of them. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 23:53, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah the sizes of the images is what's bugging me, they should all be the same size. --Joshtopher27 23:49, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Juliet

Juliet has been confirmed to be dead by Damon Lindelof. This is not a spoiler, this is clarification on an episode that has already been aired. She should be listed as "Deceased" UNLESS it is changed so that every character (except Desmond and Walt) is listed as "Unknown." The way the characters are listed right now assumes that the bomb did not work and Oceanic 815 did crash, and in that case Juliet is most certainly dead. Ummagumma108 04:39, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Urgh ... the way the characters are listed right now assumes we don't know if the bomb worked or not. It's why all of the characters who were near the bomb are listed as unknown. Sun and Ben, being in the present, are confirmed alive. As for the dead characters, it was previously decided that we shouldn't mark them as unknown. Refer to the prior discussions for more details as I don't remember them from the top of my head. --LeoChris 05:08, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
- All of the characters near the bomb are listed as unknown, which makes perfect sense. However, one of those characters has been confirmed dead by the show's producers. So therefore we do not know whether Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer, Sayid, Jin, and Miles are dead or alive, but we know that Juliet is dead. She should therefore be listed as such. She is as dead as Boone or Michael or Faraday and should have the same status as them. Ummagumma108 16:42, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

She is still unknown. If the bomb worked, she would be okay by virtue of changing the past. I would also like to see a source for that statement. cgmv123TalkContribsE-mail 17:03, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

If the bomb worked, then every dead character would be okay by virtue of changing the past. And yet it has been agreed that all dead characters be listed as dead unless it is revealed that the bomb worked. Juliet is dead and should have the same status as the other dead characters. I personally am all for changing them all to unknown, but as it stands right now they're listed as dead and Juliet, having the exact same status as them on the show, should have the same status as them on this page.

And the source: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2009/10/confirmed_losts_juliet_is_dead.html Ummagumma108 22:03, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Unknown, Nobody cares about your source, she should be listed as unknown until something on the show tells us otherwise. -- B1G CZYGS Talk Contribs 22:45, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with you here. Season 6 has not started yet, she's still unknown because we're between seasons. Once Season 6 starts, and the show confirms she's dead, then we can list her as dead.--Baker1000 23:42, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Seems a bit unnecessary to me, as she isn't really "unknown" if the head writer said she's dead, but whatever. If the wiki users want it to be incorrect until the show confirms it, then it will be incorrect until the show confirms it. I officially remove my argument from discussion. Ummagumma108 03:10, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Potential new category

If we need a new category for Season 6 we should use Template:CharPortalAG. Just putting this out there so no-one makes a new portal when there is a spare one that already exists. Template:CharPortalAE is also not in use but I figure yellow would be better than brown. For the record I am completely spoiler free, I just know Lost has a habit of adding something new each season. Limitlessness 02:18, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

The Monster

Someone recently added Smokey to the portal and I've reverted the change as I feel some sort of consensus should be reached first ... Most of its appearances aren't even played by a human, but by CGI ... does it really qualify? If Matthew Fox played Kcaj, Jack's long lost twin, in a single episode, would such a character be listed here? --LeoChris 05:25, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
I'm of mixed feelings regarding this. I don't really feel that the smoke monster should count as a main character for the series. That being said, in the form of Locke, I could go either way. If we do decide to add him, I think we should make a portal image for Monster-as-Locke as opposed to the Smoke Monster portal-box seen on the Supporting Characters page. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 05:26, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, that episode made it really clear that they're gonna be the big bad. So I think that they're a main character...but only in the form of Locke. So let's choose a suitably demonic looking pic of "Locke" from LA X and call it "Dark Entity" and put it on there...keep Welliver and CGI on supporting.--Golden Monkey 05:32, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
  - I think he should fit into any category that Jacob fits into since they are parallel. --Jackdavinci 05:47, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
- However, Mark Pellegrino is not a main cast member, while Terry O'Quinn, who is primarily portraying the nemesis, is. I say he should be included. -- Sam McPherson T C E 02:34, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Sayid

Sayid is dead. Look on his page: Sayid. it should be red indeed of green.--Station7 18:28, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sayid died, there's a difference. He *was* dead, but he got better. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 18:40, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
- I think we can drop an extra note for Sayid's status like in Desmond's (rescued) and Walt's(escaped).--Paintbox 19:58, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
Why? Sayid is currently alive. Past deaths aren't needed for something as vague as a portal. -- Sam McPherson T C E 02:35, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Main Timeline Only?

Should it be specified in the status key that the key refers only to the mainstream timeline and not the "flash sideways" timeline? In the latter timeline, Locke is alive, Boone's alive, we know where Claire is, etc. I don't think there should be individuated statuses to reflect both timelines, as that would be cumbersome, but I think a note should at least be made. --tuttlemsm

I think the best solution for that would be to create a new portal for the flash-sideways characters.-- Steele talk contribs 20:56, February 4, 2010 (UTC)