Can I get some feedback please. We seem to all agreed that arranging the portals affiliation was the best way to do it. What do people think? -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 14:26, 12 August 2007 (PDT)
Edits
Arzt is dead, Locke defected to others, Namoi- her status on her page says unknown, so should she get a red background like mike and walt? --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 16:40, 12 August 2007 (PDT)
- Thanks, will work on them now... Though we don't know if Locke has affiliated himself with the Others yet, he may branch out on his own... after all Ben betrayed him -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 18:52, 12 August 2007 (PDT)
Alex is Dead
New Revision
New revision based upon the French Lostpedia's portals. What do people think? Images have got to be created for every portal, and I'm half way through that, just wanted to demo with what we had. -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 22:18, 14 August 2007 (PDT)
- I must say I think it's outstanding. Well organised, and it looks FANTASTIC. Great, great job. -- Lost Soul talk contribs 02:14, 15 August 2007 (PDT)
- I think there should only be the main charactors in there. You know, the 'supporting charactors' section is there for a reason. Quint
- I think someone missed the discussion. We are re-organising the portals and this is the first part of this. The difficulty came from defining who was a "main character" and a "supporting character", with some suggesting Rose and Bernard are supporting characters, when others had decided that they are main characters because they'd had a flashback. So, a re-organisation is taking place which will account for all characters. Plkrtn talk contribs email 00:44, 21 August 2007 (PDT)
- I've only just noticed the change. I like it alot, but is there a better pic for Paulo? His head looks a little small.--Baker1000 11:26, 21 August 2007 (PDT)
- Is there really a need for a defected catagory considering that there's a specail box for defectors. Perhaps just make an others catagory, and give them the green box? -j52y
Known Characters Missing
Can anyone list characters that they believe should be on this portal below please, and possibly reasoning as to why. Please remember we are trying to make the lists complete for any character that has had an important role to play (redshirts like SBSSG that haven't spoken do not count) across all the Lost media, from books to games, to TV shows, to mobisodes... I need sleep, so I'll do these tomorrow morning, hopefully. Please sign your sig after the character too, just for reference sake.
- Edward Mars (Survived the crash, if not the aftermath) -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 17:38, 21 August 2007 (PDT)
- Gary Troup (Survived the crash, if not the aftermath after he got sucked into the engine. Important role within TLE and the new portals won't differentiate between characters, and what medium they've appeared in) -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 17:38, 21 August 2007 (PDT)
- What about Nathan? Since he turned out not to be the Others' mole, we can assume he was a survivor, right? --ruinlach|talk|contributions 20:59, 2 September 2007 (PDT)
- I agree that Nathan and the Marshal should be listed here. I disagree about Gary Troup though, mainly because he never spoke and was played by a stuntman, not to mention his name has never been spoken aloud throughout the course of the series. I could also see adding Neil, the guy who made forzenb yogurt, but ONLY if he appears in an episode of the main series and not just a mobisode.--Jeff 12:42, 2 February 2008 (PST)
- An 815 survivor who DID speak on the show was Sullivan... shouldn't he be included, too?--Bohrok Awakener 05:31, 2 March 2008 (PST)
- I'd say yes since he was played by an actual guest actor with a speaking part and not a silent extra. --Jeff 07:58, 4 March 2008 (PST)
Request to change color key
It is kind of difficult to tell the colors of Alive and Dead characters. Anyone disagree with having a redish tint change to the Dead characters?now 17:06, 8 September 2007 (PDT)
-Agree, it is hard to tell the two apart. Mapleleaf50 16:54, 3 February 2008 (PST)
- Yes, it was going to change, but I didn't get around implementing it. Done it now. Better? -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 15:17, 4 February 2008 (PST)
- Awesome. Thanks. Mapleleaf50 16:26, 6 February 2008 (PST)
Love the new format
Ok, I'm definitely digging the new format for this page. Glad the old arguement is dead and buried. I'm hereby ending my Lostpedia sabbatical.
Although, I must say it's been quite healthy to not think about "Lost" for a good 4 months (sorry, I had too, hehe). --Jeff 16:55, 22 October 2007 (PDT)
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or Pilot Seth
- The pilot should either be listed as just "Seth," "Capt. Norris" or as "The Pilot," the name he is more commonly known as, but not his first and last name, because all of the other characters are only listed as their most common name. Also, the marshal should be listed here as well because he survived the crash for more than 24 hours, has been in multiple flashback episodes, and was not played by by an extra but by a legitimate guest actor, IE Rose, Bernard and Arzt. --Jeff 19:26, 3 March 2008 (PST)
- I can't see any reason that Marshall Edward Mars (whatever you want to call him) isn't listed among the survivors. He's a more substantial character than Scott (Steve?) or Matt Parkman was. Likewise, Nathan, and Donald and Sullivan are more established characters than half of the bad-screenshot-nickname background characters on Portal:The Others. I have no strong opinon about the inclusion of Frogurt or Gary Troup. I don't think it's meaningful to list Ben here, since he's only with them against his will. - Tvb 18:11, 14 March 2008 (PDT)
- Agreed that The Marshal should be listed. An he should be listed as The Marshal because that's what he is most commonly known as, he was only ever referred to as Ed Mars once, in I Do. Likewise, the Pilot should probably be listed as just the Pilot or Capt. Norris since that's what he's most commonly known as. But they definitly shouldn't be lsited as both first and last name because the "main" survivors are just listed by what they are most commonly referred to as. Also, I'd call Nathan more established than Donald or Sullivan. While Nathan was a major presence in the episode he appeared in, Sullivan and Donald were just one- and two-line bit parts played by ending-credit character actors; essentially glorified extras.--Jeff 07:41, 21 March 2008 (PDT)
- I definitely agree that Nathan is a more significant character than Donald or Sullivan, but all three of them beat The Twins or Molotov Woman, who are included in Portal:The Others. - Tvb 08:46, 21 March 2008 (PDT)
- Agreed that The Marshal should be listed. An he should be listed as The Marshal because that's what he is most commonly known as, he was only ever referred to as Ed Mars once, in I Do. Likewise, the Pilot should probably be listed as just the Pilot or Capt. Norris since that's what he's most commonly known as. But they definitly shouldn't be lsited as both first and last name because the "main" survivors are just listed by what they are most commonly referred to as. Also, I'd call Nathan more established than Donald or Sullivan. While Nathan was a major presence in the episode he appeared in, Sullivan and Donald were just one- and two-line bit parts played by ending-credit character actors; essentially glorified extras.--Jeff 07:41, 21 March 2008 (PDT)
- I can't see any reason that Marshall Edward Mars (whatever you want to call him) isn't listed among the survivors. He's a more substantial character than Scott (Steve?) or Matt Parkman was. Likewise, Nathan, and Donald and Sullivan are more established characters than half of the bad-screenshot-nickname background characters on Portal:The Others. I have no strong opinon about the inclusion of Frogurt or Gary Troup. I don't think it's meaningful to list Ben here, since he's only with them against his will. - Tvb 18:11, 14 March 2008 (PDT)
New Format
They should have the defectors, dead & unknown at the top of the list, then seperate the remaining 815 surviors into 2 catagories: Team Locke member or Team Jack member
- Disagree. The current grouping is fine. --Jeff 19:28, 3 March 2008 (PST)
- I can see some value in separating the living from the dead. I don't think it's a good idea to try segregating the Johnies from the Jackies, since the two groups seem fairly fluid. - Tvb 19:01, 14 March 2008 (PDT)
Faction indicator?
I think there should be some way to delineate to which faction the remaining survivors belong to, what say everyone else? -- SacValleyDweller talk contribs 20:28, 8 March 2008 (PST)
- Very interesting idea...maybe like a border surrounding the boxes?-- Sam McPherson T C E 20:43, 8 March 2008 (PST)
- I was thinking different color boxes, but that might work better!-- SacValleyDweller talk contribs 20:52, 8 March 2008 (PST)
Move the dead people
To the end of the sections?--Rbfskywalker 14:03, 9 March 2008 (PDT)
- Disagree. It's alphabetical; the colors differentiate the status. --Jeff 07:31, 21 March 2008 (PDT)
Who do I have to sleep with...
So, who do I have to sleep with to get characters added to the this page? : ) Seriously, the other character portals have more complete lists of less important characters than this one does. Tvb 19:19, 15 March 2008 (PDT)
Walt
Page administrator: Can you create a color for an "off the island/rescued" category to apply to Walt now that we know he's safe in New York? We know we'll need it now because we'll eventually have to apply it to the Oceanic 6 as well. --Jeff 07:43, 21 March 2008 (PDT)
- I agree --Hostile108 09:26, 23 March 2008 (PDT)
- I think it's a good idea. Walt is currently listed as Missing or Unknown, which simply isn't ture. We know he is alive and safe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Baker1000 (talk • contribs) .
Housekeeping
Several things that I think ought to be updated (many of them as noted above):
- Kate needs a blue border, as she was rescued as well. Currently, she is listed with a green border.
- Walt needs a new border color, or at least changed to green to indicate that he has "defected" to civilization.
- Karl and Danielle are both apparently dead. :(
- Donald, the Marshall, Nathan, and Sullivan are all characters who have been left out for no apparent reason. (Neil "Frogurt" and Gary Troup are debatable.)
- Naomi isn't a "survivor of another incident". She's a freightie who spent a little time among the Losties, just like Miles, Daniel, Frank, and Charlotte (none of whom are listed here). - Tvb 17:31, 25 March 2008 (PDT)
- Although Naomi did survive her choper crash, I do agree that they should take her out of the "Survivors of other Incedents" section. As for Karl & Daneille, their border colors should be changed to "unknown." -Marko14126
- Karl and Daniel should be missing/unknown
- Sayid ,Desmond and Walt should be defected. - Hostile108
- Sayid and Desmond haven't defected from the rest of the survivors; they're just off-island for a bit and clearly intend to return (if only to pick up the rest of them). - Tvb 17:31, 25 March 2008 (PDT)
- Jin is dead and Kate is rescued. --4 8 15 16 23 42-Execute 07:27, 8 June 2008 (PDT)
- I've added Donald, Edward Mars, Nathan, and Frogurt (the producers have stated the mobisodes are canon). I didn't add Gary Troup, since he didn't have any lines. For now, I changed Walt to the defected border, saying "rescued". Karl and Danielle are for now unknown. I agree Sayid and Desmond shouldn't be listed as defected; they are on a mission. Not sure what to do about Naomi, perhaps we need an "infiltrators" category. -- Graft talk contributions 17:23, 27 March 2008 (PDT)
- (Thanks for the update.) Why not just leave all the Freighties on their own portal page? Daniel, Miles, and C.S.Lewis are all on the Island with Survivors (of one group or another), but we don't list them, because we assume they aren't staying; they're "on a mission"... as was Naomi. - Tvb 19:18, 29 March 2008 (PDT)
- I also thank you for the update. Perhaps you guys could form a new catigory for those who are rescued. We know that Walt is rescued and that there are the Oceanic 6 who will get rescued, so there should be a new border line labeled "Rescued." Also, can someone get rid of Naomi because she does not belong here on this page, she is not a survivor of any incedent. But if we do make an "infiltrators" category then we should also add Ethan and Goodwin. Marko 11:24, 30 March 2008 (PDT)
- (Thanks for the update.) Why not just leave all the Freighties on their own portal page? Daniel, Miles, and C.S.Lewis are all on the Island with Survivors (of one group or another), but we don't list them, because we assume they aren't staying; they're "on a mission"... as was Naomi. - Tvb 19:18, 29 March 2008 (PDT)
- Why not add Gary Troup? Molotov woman and the twins have no lines, and neither does Sabine. And yet all three are on the Others portal. Either add Gary or take them off, but I think consistency is necessary.-- Sam McPherson T C E 19:41, 11 April 2008 (PDT)
- I don't think "Gary Troup" should be added, for the reasons above, but I'm also one who thinks the molotov woman and "the twins" shouldn't be listed either. --Jeff 14:31, 29 April 2008 (PDT)
Not to nitpick but I think the head box for Neil should either say Neil or "Frogurt" should be in quotes. Only Hurly called him that, Bernard called him "the guy that sells frozen yogurt." I don't think "Frogurt" is an accepted nickname like Hurley or Sawyer.--Jeff 14:33, 29 April 2008 (PDT)
- kate defianately needs a blue border.
Possible suggestion
I think we should consider breaking this up into Team Locke and Team Jack, or at least indicating an affiliation somehow, since the stated purpose of this portal is to organize characters by affiliation, and "Survivors Camp" doesn't really cover that anymore, in my opinion. Also, a slight grammar nitpick: shouldn't the article be named "Survivors' Camp" (with an apostrophe after "Survivors" to indicate possessive)? Jimbo the tubby 10:44, 15 April 2008 (PDT)
- Nobody is sure how long the team thing is going to last. Its also complicated because many of the people listed don't fall into one team or the other (minor characters who have not been seen in a while, dead characters). The grammar thing may be an issue with wiki titles (I dont know). Dharmatel4 14:01, 15 April 2008 (PDT)
Karl, Danielle, Alex dead
Someone needs to change the borders for Karl, Danielle and Alex to indicate that they are deceased. Karl and Danielle were confirmed by Alex's dialogue saying that Keamy and his men killed them, and Alex was obviously killed by Keamy. Jimbo the tubby 21:20, 24 April 2008 (PDT)
EDIT: Also, we should add Doug, as he was credited for 4x09 in the press release. Jimbo the tubby 22:30, 24 April 2008 (PDT)
Agreed. BTW, anyone wanna update the main page anytime soon cuz we know for a fact that Alex, Karl, and Danielle are dead. Marko 16:09, 29 April 2008 (PDT)
- Why is this page locked anyway? It's not like it can't be reverted, and it seems like nobody gives a damn enough to ever update it. --Pyramidhead 19:27, 29 April 2008 (PDT)
I agree, Pyramidhead.-- Sam McPherson T C E 19:28, 29 April 2008 (PDT)
- Because sometimes, the admins who have it locked need to be alerted to things directly, instead of just having people complaining and moaning on the talk page. If you're that passionate about getting it changed, you just need to alert one of the SysOps instead of whinging. Plkrtn talk contribs email 00:50, 2 May 2008 (PDT)
- You didn't answer the question: Why is this page locked anyway? - Tvb 13:30, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
Agreed. Also needs to be changed "The Others" page. --LOSTinDC 15:55, 30 April 2008 (PDT)
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I think we should add Craig, Doug, Jerome and Richard to list. ryan76el
STRONG DISAGREE: Those have never been confirmed. In that episode Bernard said three names and three people looked up, but there's never been any canonical evidence to which was which, etc. Pretty sure this has been argued to death elsewhere as well. --Jeff 14:29, 29 April 2008 (PDT)
- Doug yes, rest no. Should we add Blonde Casualty , Lance and Tracy? They have been confirmed. Also Steve is uncertain. --Decboy
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See my Sandbox
Possible new category color key color key
Anyone think about adding a new color for . . . . the Oceanic6? now 11:36, 14 May 2008 (PDT)
- That sounds like a good idea. Also, something needs to be done for Walt, because he's not defected. Maybe rather than an Oceanic 6 border line there should be a rescued border line. Marko 13:41, 14 May 2008 (PDT)
Also, why is there a "defectors" section . . . and color key?
- The "Defectors" section is for people who defected to the Survivors Camp; the color is for those who defected from it. - Tvb 13:30, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
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Maybe add theses people to this page
- Ugh. These portals should really be for named characters played by speaking actors, not random no-name extras. The fact that some of those guys have names applied to them because they were standing in a general area one episode when someone shouted a bunch of names is ridiculous as well. --Jeff 17:02, 3 June 2008 (PDT)
- Doug and ND survivor had speaking roles and were credited in the episode they were in. They should at least be added because Scott and Steve are on there. --Ryan76el 23:51, 3 June 2008 (PDT)
- They should now be added since there's a portal for main characters. --Ryan76el 10:20, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
- NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO! BAD!!!!!!!!! The extras should 100% be removed frpm this page IMMEDIATELY. First of all, anyone with an unconfirmed page shouldn't even have an article (that's you, ND survivor. Second of all the people referred to as "Richard" and "Craig" ...those names are completely arbitrary. The only time those names were said out loud, they were directed (by Bernard) to a gaggle of random extras. There may be characters with those names ...there may not be ... hell, Sam Anderson may have even been ad libbing ... but they certainly do NOT even remotely to be listed on the same pages with the Jacks and Kates and Lockes. That's an insult. Plus, those articles have been nominated for deltion a zillion times; they should be merged with the "redshirt" article or the general "survivor" article. Plus, ghaving them listed here confuses the casual viewer that comes here for information. Plus, SEVERAL extras have portrayed survivors, Others and people in flashbacks. So it's not accurate. And I vote that all innacurate information be removed at once! --Jeff 19:04, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
- And that's why the portals should be locked. Because we didn't have this stuff happening before. --Jeff 19:05, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
- NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO! BAD!!!!!!!!! The extras should 100% be removed frpm this page IMMEDIATELY. First of all, anyone with an unconfirmed page shouldn't even have an article (that's you, ND survivor. Second of all the people referred to as "Richard" and "Craig" ...those names are completely arbitrary. The only time those names were said out loud, they were directed (by Bernard) to a gaggle of random extras. There may be characters with those names ...there may not be ... hell, Sam Anderson may have even been ad libbing ... but they certainly do NOT even remotely to be listed on the same pages with the Jacks and Kates and Lockes. That's an insult. Plus, those articles have been nominated for deltion a zillion times; they should be merged with the "redshirt" article or the general "survivor" article. Plus, ghaving them listed here confuses the casual viewer that comes here for information. Plus, SEVERAL extras have portrayed survivors, Others and people in flashbacks. So it's not accurate. And I vote that all innacurate information be removed at once! --Jeff 19:04, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
I think ND survivor,Man on beach and SBSSG must be removed from this page.They are only extras with one line or none. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thunderwolf (talk • contribs) .
Michael
I think it's obvious Michael's box should now be red judging by what the apparition of Christian Shepard said to him. "You can go now, Michael."
- I think Jin's box should be changed as well. He certainly isn't missing. Face facts, he is dead.Mrfridays 08:05, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
- I think michael should be unknown, We all know that we thought Naomi was dead
It is lost after all michael could still be alive
- who says christian wasent saying that you can go as in you can escape the explosion
- There is nothing that suggests that Michael is still alive. He was invulnerable for a while, but that was only because he still had work to do. According to Christian, that's finished. Jin could more reasonably be listed as "missing", since it's theoretically possible that he could have survived the explosion, but he's "missing, presumed dead". - Tvb 16:23, 1 June 2008 (PDT)
Sullivan
I think Sullivan should be categorized "Missing or Unknown."
- There's no particular reason to think anything's happened to him. - Tvb 13:30, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
Etc.
- Locke has "defected" to The Others.
- Aaron, Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sun, and Sayid have "defected" to civilization.
- Desmond is no longer with the Survivors; he could be left on this page and said to have "defected" to civilization as well.
- We should now add Miles and C.S. Lewis to the "Survivors of other incidents" section.
- Tvb 13:34, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
- The Oceanic 6 & Desmond should be green and "rescued," just like Walt. Locke should be green and "defected to the Others," just like Cindy. And Miles, Charlotte and Daniel should be survivors of other incidents now, because without the frieghter and now with the island moved, they are stuck on the island now (to be fair, Daniel could be survivor of other incidents AND also colored missing or unknown, because we don't know yet if he was in range of the island's telportation; although it seems he was, it's best not to assume until the S5 premiere). --Jeff 09:17, 2 June 2008 (PDT)
Locke is now dead. Needs to be changed on the survivor camp portal page. - User:Lostbrotha
- No, Locke is now in charge of the Others. The coffin scene is a flashforward. - Tvb 16:19, 1 June 2008 (PDT)
- We should add the people from the freighter team. -- Connor401 talk contribs email 11:38, 3 June 2008 (PDT)
Claire's not missing or unknown
We know she's in the cabin with Christian last we saw her. I don't think she should be listed like that. If she's listed as missing or unknown, why not list everyone on the island as missing or unknown since it moved? I wish I could edit that back to her being alive. AaronPaige 10:07, 2 June 2008 (EST)
- DISAGREE. We don't know whether she's alive or dead, or even WHERE the cabin itself is sometimes. She's not with the Others, like Locke, and she's not with the only other remaining main survivor, Sawyer. Plus the fact that Emilie de Ravin is taking a season off (that's NOT a spoiler, that was reported in the news media) it's probably safer to keep her as "missing" for now. --Jeff 09:10, 2 June 2008 (PDT)
New Colour Key
Please see this page for a discussion about a possible new colour key for these portals. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 16:33, 4 June 2008 (PDT)
Unprotect
Can we please get this (and the other character portals) unlocked in order to make the changes on them that have been discussed here? I put a request in on requests for unprotection but it doesn't look like there's anyone keeping up to date on those. Thanks. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 10:03, 7 June 2008 (PDT)
- I think this is a good idea. The page is updated too slowly, and when it does there's still error. Kate isn't listed as rescued. Also, as I was skimming, I realized that Naomi should be added to the "from the freighter" section. Right? User:Taargüs Taargüs
Kate
Kate is off the island and shouldn't be green --Anfield Fox 01:34, 9 June 2008 (PDT)
Frieghties?
I'd more consider them "survivors of other incidents" than "defectors" .. espeicall now that the frieghter has been destroyed. --Jeff 17:37, 16 June 2008 (PDT)
Steve
Steve was seen alive in the S4 finale on the beach, and is stated so on his page, so I'm changinc him to alive.--Orhan94 13:47, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
Remove ND survivor,Man on beach and SBSSG
I think ND survivor,Man on beach and SBSSG must be removed from this page. They are only extras with one line or none. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thunderwolf (talk • contribs) .
- Disagree I think they should stay, even if their extras. They are still survivors. Also why them but not Scott & Steve, Craig, Jerome, Richard and Nancy. --Ryan76el 08:39, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
- Scott & Steve, Craig, Jerome, Richard and Nancy have names.ND survivor,Man on beach and SBSSG will never reappeare on the show--ThunderWolf 08:43, 4 July 2008 (PDT)Thunderwolf--ThunderWolf 08:43, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
- Actually N.D. survivor appears in every episode of Season 1 and Season 2 and even has a speaking role in "Man of Science, Man of Faith" which she was credited for. --Ryan76el 08:46, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
- On the Others Portal Adam and Amelia are listed on their and only say one or two lines. Also Widmore's victim is listed and hes only a extra. --Ryan76el 08:54, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
- Yeah,but this guys don't have names.They can be unseen characters like Tracy.If we are listing all kind of survivors let's add the victims from the Freighter and Blonde Casualty and useen characters like Lance & Tracy on the list too.--ThunderWolf 13:33, 4 July 2008 (PDT)ThunderWolf--ThunderWolf 13:33, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
- SBSSG is notable because she has an external fan base. ND survivor is notable because she has lines, as is gas man. -- Sam McPherson T C E 13:38, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
- Let's add Tracy & Lance too then they are survivors.--ThunderWolf 04:41, 10 July 2008 (PDT)
- Agree. Remove them. It's ridiculous. "Blonde casulty," are we serious here? Let's keep this to main characters and main guest stars, there is alread a body count list and a survivors list if you really want to assign random names to random extras. I thought we had voted to merge althose random survivors into the surviors article anyway. *Le sigh*--Jeff 21:00, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Big Guy from Long Con
I just watch The Long Con and Ana Lucia mentions a big guy living behind Steve's tent.We can add him too as unseen character. :D--ThunderWolf 15:29, 6 August 2008 (PDT)
- Nah.. He's unseen and unnamed...it'd be different if she had said "That big guy, Franz, who lives behind steve's tent." -- Sam McPherson T C E 15:45, 6 August 2008 (PDT)
Redshirts
It certainly appears that now all of the surviving redshirts have died. -- Sam McPherson T C E 05:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Not necessarily. If you count all of the middle section survivors (Excluding Locke, Bernard, Juliet, Claire, the Science team, The O. 6, and Walt) alive on the Island at the beach when the island moved they number 23. You subtract Frogurt and at least three other guys that died from arrows, and the two that died from the claymores you come up with a total of 17. Subtract Sawyer, and Rose you get a final tally of 15 redshirts left. --LOST-The Cartographer 05:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Frank
Should be listed with the rescued border in the freighters group correct?