Talk:Pierre Chang

About the numbers and letters.

Hello, some parts of the following text are coded in ASCII, some in Hexadecimal, some binaries, and so on... 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42, 2^2, 2^3, 3*5, 2^4, 23, 2*3*7, 4, 8, F, 10, 17, 2A, #x64; #x68; #x61; #x72; #x6D; #x61; 0x04, 0x08, 0x0F, 0x10, 0x17, 0x2A, #916; #920; #913; #931; #925; #913; 64, 68, 61, 72, 6D, 61, 69, 6E, 69, 74, 69, 61, 74, 69, 76, 65, 100, 1000, 1111, 10000, 10111, 101010, 0061, 006C, 0076, 0061, 0072, 0020, 0068, 0061, 006E, 0073, 006F, 108, 10, 5D, 11, 1H, 51, 9A, 23, 6R, 92, 4M, 65, 2A, 64, 6F, 6E, 74, 70, 72, 65, 73, 73, 69, 74, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42, #85; #110; #105; #118; #101; #114; #115; #105; #116; #121; #32; #111; #102; #32; #77; #105; #99; #104; #105; #103; #97; #110; 22, 23, 3*5, 24, 23, 2*3*7, x6E; perdu; x61; x72; x76; x69; x6B; 66. 132. 217. 131, 62, 39, N, 16, 32, E, C5, 4E, 47, 45, 63, 61, 72, 72,6F, 74, 73, di, 9f, f, tr, 73, 1, 4, h, 8, a, 15, n, 16, s, 23, o, 42, 4, a, 8, l, 15, v, 16, a, 23, r, 42

I'm a member of a french forum about Lost. We talked about this "text" in that thread ( http://guillaumedupuis.free.fr/viewtopic.php?p=50122#50122 ). Here somes translations:

64, 68, 61, 72, 6D, 61, 69, 6E, 69, 74, 69, 61, 74, 69, 76, 65, (hexa) Means : dharmainitiative

0061, 006C, 0076, 0061, 0072, 0020, 0068, 0061, 006E, 0073, 006F (hexa) Means : alvar hanso

1. 85; #110; #105; #118; #101; #114; #115; #105; #116; #121; #32; #111; #102; #32; #77; #105; #99; #104; #105; #103; #97; #110; (ascii)

Means : University of Michigan

100, 1000, 1111, 10000, 10111, 101010 (binaries) and 0x04, 0x08, 0x0F, 0x10, 0x17, 0x2A, (hexa) Means : 4,8,15,16,23,42 (thanks to Kay :) )

Hope it helps. And sorry for my piteous english.

Longshot

Started playing around with anagrams (again) and noticed that 'Marvin Candle' almost produces the word 'Dharma', so added the obvious H-word (Hanso), which didn't produce much of anything but if 'Mr E' was added, got this:

DHARMA INVOLVE SCANNER ALARM

Then replaced 'Mr E' with 'Mr Eko' and:

DHARMA MARKS NONVIOLENCE

but when I got

DHARMA CLEAN KNIVES MORON and DHARMA MELON CAVERNS OINK, I figured I've spent too much time on this again. --skks 03:14, 14 March 2006 (PST)

Amputee / relations

I didn't know all amputees were related, since it's on the theory section - I'll leave it be, but I would think some amputees might find it offensive to think that if two people have lost a limb they'd be related. --skks 08:12, 28 March 2006 (PST)

Sorry, I didn't mean to be offensive. I'm just trying to make as many connections as possible, however obscure. Thank you for leaving my ravings alone. Russell 08:25, 28 March 2006 (PST)

My theory is Marvin Candle is, or is related to Mr. Paik.--Rew 01:23, 15 April 2006 (PDT)

Yeah what's the deal

I was thinking the same thing as the guy before. Just because 2 people don't have an arm/leg doesn't mean they're related. We know that that one lady lost her leg in a car accident, I see no possible way for her to be related to Marvin Candle

Marvin Candle website?

Well, what is it? The one I found was http://www.bigspaceship1.org/, which has him on the Division Staff with "Dr. Sharon Alva" (Sharon Alva = Alvar Hanso?) for the "EM Research Initiative: Project" -- Amberjet11 10:59, 10 May 2006 (PDT)

Bigspaceship1 is a fansite. If you check the source, there is a link to UBC. UBC is University of British Columbia. I used to attend this school. It is not affiliated with ABC. -- Chatake 10:32, 10 May 2006 (PDT)

Thanks for the heads-up, I thought it was for real! -- Amberjet11 10:59, 10 May 2006 (PDT)

Prosthetic left arm?

Have you guys noticed in the film, on the episode ? that Marvin Candle/Mark Wickman was holding his hands together... could this mean that he did not actually have a prosthetic left arm?

Could it be that he lost his arm (or simply the mobility of it) because of the "incident"?--rdavid01 10:23, March 6th 2006 (PST)

• Could it be his arm injury is as fake as his name in the video?

Infobox Template

What infobox template should be used, as this character is neither a flashback character nor a survivor. Ditto for infobox on Gerald DeGroot and Karen DeGroot Santa 03:19, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

Real name of the Doctor

I thougt it was "Waxman" not "Wickman." The actor's credit on IMDB ([1]) lists his character as Waxman.--Christykilgorehadley 06:58, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

I have watch with the caption on and the name should be written Dr. Mark Wickmund. I think it would be appropriate that someone makes the necessary changes. Thank you, namaste, and good luck! :P

Waxman, as IMDB has it, would be funnier (Waxman=Candle). :) LOSTonthisdarnisland 09:03, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

Yeah, but WICKman is still funny in connection with a candle. Just more evidence that the Dharma Initiative are laughing at us all. <g> --Amberjet11 14:13, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

Too right. I'm waiting for the next 'orientation'; what will it be this time? Dr Taper? LOSTonthisdarnisland 10:03, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

Was I the only one to notice a blip/stutter on the video just as Marvin says "I'm Ma(blip)rk Wickman. I thought it was an edit on the tape like the edits we saw on Swan films. Perhaps in the original he says he's Marvin Candle and later says something that ends with Wickman. that's just my observation. His real name is revealed at comic con 2008 as Pierre Cheng.

Mark Wickmund/Marvin Candle

The second orientation film was made in 1980, before the incident (1985), that´s why he has both arms. This fact makes stronger the theory of the relationship between people with missing bodyparts

I was under the impression that *both* orientation movies had 1980 (C) dates? Absalom 09:38, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

They do--Tricksterson 09:42, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

The 1985 incident (from the blast door map I assume) is probably a different incident than the one mentioned in the swan orientation film.--Ernest 17:59, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

I've come to the conclusion that just about everything written on the map is irrelevant to the show except for the ? (and the other hatch names). The producers probably just threw it out as raw meat to make the net community go nuts (and boy did it work --Uth 20:26, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

Anyone notice the string around his right wrist? Any significance to it? --Phil 12:26, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

I didn't notice the string, but offhand I would say it was probably a mala, used for Buddhist meditation. It's usually a set of 28 beads, but sometimes it's in string form (and sometimes knotted).--Amberjet11 14:12, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

see here, last image on lower right: http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Scenesfrompearlfilm.jpg --Phil 11:26, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

No offense to anyone, but it's kinda silly to say that Marvin Candle and Mark Wickmund are twins. Why would twins have two different last names?

Anything's possible. One or both could have been adopted and they got ruinited, perhaps by the Dharma initiative --Ernest 17:59, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

the string on his wrist is not a string, but simply the sleeves of his long sleeve turtle neck shirt.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kojak k (talk • contribs) .

Wickman

Listening again, I'm fairly certain that he says 'Dr Mark Wickman'. LOSTonthisdarnisland 11:09, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

IMDB calls this character "Dr. Waxman/Candle" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0793130/fullcredits) --MoJo 12:36, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

IMDB is just as prone to incorrect information & typos as any other source. The other day I noticed this gem--a synopsis of 'Season 1, Episode 10: Raised by Another', states: 'Claire is attacked at night, but Jack thinks she's illusinating ...' (Obviously they meant hallucinating) LOSTonthisdarnisland 10:00, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

The "Waxman" reference might be to yet another alias yet to be revealed. As for the Wickman or Wickmund, the captioning clearly indicates Wickmund (Screenshot of Closed Captioning). Personally, I think there needs to be a strong argument going forward to refute this. In lieu of that, I think the references to Wickman should be changed to Wickmund and add a paragraph indicating that the name is somewhat in doubt. At the very least, searches for Wickmund should be directed to this page. As of now, a search on that name yields 0 entries. --Variable 03:57, 13 May 2006 (PDT)

Candle?

Where did the name "Dr. Candle" originate...I haven't been able to find that information.

Given in the Swan orientation film LOSTonthisdarnisland 10:02, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

Name

I have been hearing different methods of the name "Wickman". Some people call him Whitman, Whitmund, Wickmund, etc.

What is the confirmed spelling for his name?

I haven't seen a 'confirmed' spelling. The audio of the show stated Wickman. LOSTonthisdarnisland 10:01, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

and closed captioning said Wickmund... not the first time there was a discrepancy between CC and audio though. It happened notably on the CC for the radio transmission Boone picked up in the Nigerian plane last season.--Isotope23 11:02, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

On the HDTV closed captioning his name is given as "Wickmund". I have a screen shot with the captioning: Wickmund pic. The audio is inconclusive as he could be saying either Wickman or Wickmund with out emphashizing the "D". I think until the DVDs come out, the CC will be as much evidence as we are going to get. --Variable 19:30, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

I agree with discrepancies in CC. While Lost seems better than most, it's not unknown for CC to show incorrect spelling, incorrect wording, or something completely different because of a last minute script change. Is there anything official released? LOSTonthisdarnisland 04:57, 13 May 2006 (PDT)

I understand that CC isn't always perfect but it is the most authoratative source on the matter right now. I can't find any official crediting for the name on the internet. So what we have is the CC vs. nothing. And between a source that is not perfect but generally good vs. nothing, you have to go with the source. Besides, isn't CC how people figured out that Mr. Eko's name wasn't spelled "echo"? --Variable 11:45, 13 May 2006 (PDT)

I guess this could be faked, but this casting call sheet [2] has him listed as "DR WAXMAN/CANDLE"--Christykilgorehadley 12:12, 15 May 2006 (PDT)

Not sure the protocol on this but unless somebody else objects, I'm going to replace the usage of "Wickman" to "Wickmund" since that's how it is spelled in the closed captioning. I've already set up redirect entries for Wickmund to this page. --Variable 16:03, 15 May 2006 (PDT)

Waxman is another character, same actor. Flame Station, Candle, Wickman, Waxman ... note pattern established. Wickmund, despite the CC (error?), does not make sense. LOSTonthisdarnisland 08:25, 16 May 2006 (PDT)

I see the pattern: Candle → Wick → Wax → Flame. The ending of "man" or "mund" doesn't seem to affect it. Why do you think the CC is in error? --Variable 09:57, 16 May 2006 (PDT)

You could find out the real name if you used subtitles for the episode im sure it would tell you.

DVD confirms the spelling as Wickmund. Jeremiahsmith 04:40, 6 September 2006 (PDT)

I watched it on E4 and it said wickman with the subtitles

?

Does anyone think it's important that he is on the the island (inside the "?") for the pearl video, but appears to be in a lab in the swan video? --unsigned--

I don't know. Another mystery to be resolved, maybe. LOSTonthisdarnisland 04:57, 13 May 2006 (PDT)

Live Together, Die Alone

Is it just me, or does the "Other" shot by Sawyer looks somewhat like Marvin? You don't see much of him, but that was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw this scene.

I definitely thought that too. Unfortunately since he fell facing away from the camera, it's really hard to say for sure. I was totally expecting them to flip over his body and reveal Wickman/Waxman's face. GateKeeper 07:59, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

I also agree. I put it in the "theories" section, but if someone thinks this is too far-fetched, please feel free to take it out. It looked to me, from the small glimpse we saw of the man, that his hair was in the same style as Wickman's, with patches of grey on the sides. I think (hope) that since the identity of the man was not revealed, the Others will find his corpse or speak about his death in some way near the beginning of next season. Of course, he could just have been nobody. --Chesteadman 10:28, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

The fact that they didn't show the dead guy's face seems to indicate there's something special about him. But then again, if Jack saw Marvin Candle, he would make a big deal about it. --Charugan 12:05, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

I just went back to the scene where he's shot and paused the image of the dead guy. I'm almost convinced it's Candle. Compare the sideburns between the two. Can someone post a picture?--Charugan 12:16, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

I would, but my Tivo doesn't give good enough quality for that, and I can't PrntScrn the episode from ABC. And in response toC harugan's second statement, it is quite possible that Jack didn't recognize Candle at first, and what with his frustration over the Michael situation, it's easy to see why he would get distracted from examining the body for weapons and such. It is possible that the man is still alive - I don't recall seeing any blood. It's also possible that some other Losties/Sayid & Co. might go looking for Jack's party and stumble across the body following their tracks. --Loki 19:56, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

My first thought was it was CandleWaxman too, I had heard that he was going to be in the finale. The fact that the producers obviously designed the shot to make everyone think it was him should be proof enough that it wasn't  ;-) Anyway, there still hasn't been anything really concrete to tie the Others in with Dharma. In fact, Kelvin said he joined the Dharma initiative, making him the only confirmed Dharma dude we've met on the island, and he refered to the Others as the hostiles, kind of indicating that they may not be part of the initiative. But if Candle was one of the Others, that would finally prove that the others are part of the initiative. --Uth 20:32, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

I've got a picture. --Casiotone 13:18, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

Awesome. Can't really see his face, of course, but his hair looks like the young Marvin's hair. Also, his ears look very similar to Candle's... --Chesteadman 09:15, 27 May 2006 (PDT)

If you could get an image of right when the man is falling down the hill, that'd be great. IIRC, the shot shows a good half of his face before cutting back to Sawyer.--Loki 16:21, 27 May 2006 (PDT)

Maybe he's not an Other. Why would they be following the group? Isn't it odd that they were easily spotted by Kate when they're supposedly so covert? Did we actually see he was barefoot? Could he be the primitiveness the Others are trying to impersonate? And why didn't he shoot back when Kate shot at him? The Others at the end all had guns on em but he didn't... --Nickb123 14:16, 5 June 2006 (PDT)

It is possible that the two Others did not have guns because the Others as a whole do not have many guns, I suspect. More likely though, is that the two knew that the Meeting Party was supposed to be captured...and they'd be no good to the Others if they were shot. Hence why the two chose to run rather than fight.--Loki 20:36, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

Is it possible to get a complete, reliable cast listing for the? That should solve the mystery once and for all. --AlienChickenPie 08:11, 24 July 2006 (PDT)

[Looks more like Pickett to me] --TPIMaster 03:57, 2 August 2006 (PDT)

He probably wouldn't be creditted on a cast list, to hide it and the fact its a non-speaking part. And it can't be Pickett cause he was at Pala Ferry wasn't he. Anyway the one running on the hill could have been just the stunt double anyway before he fell. Its the closeup of him on the ground we should base analysis on --Nickb123 (Talk) 04:26, 2 August 2006 (PDT)

• My notion is that it was the other wearing glasses from the Book Club meeting.--MightyRearranger 15:46, 27 October 2006 (PDT)

Renaming

Why can't we move this page to something like 'Marvin Candle/Mark Wickmund'? It's more suitable than just the current title. --SilvaStorm

• Move: I agree. --Peephole 11:38, 5 August 2006 (PDT)
• move: good idea. just leave redirects in place for the individual names --kaini. 11:56, 5 August 2006 (PDT)
• Move--CaptainInsano

• I just added the rename template.-CaptainInsano

• Move: Agree entirely. (BTW Fantastic idea to make a rename template)--KeriCanFly 12:02, 8 August 2006 (PDT)
• move yeah, just ask a sysop to do it enough agree        talk contribs                   13:45, 8 August 2006 (PDT)
• MOVE John LockeBIGGEST fan
• Move: Agreed, much better than the current name. BoaDrummer 12:39, 9 August 2006 (PDT)
• Move: --Marik7772003 03:51, 11 August 2006 (PDT)

Done.--Peephole 14:10, 14 August 2006 (PDT)

BBC's 9/11 : The Twin Towers

Marvin Candle is on it! Francois Chou, not the character (well, you never know...) but he's on it, just thought people would like to know... if it gets aired in the US! --plkrtn 13:10, 7 September 2006 (PDT)

Damn! Only ten minutes left =( Hopefully it'll get repeated on BBC4 or something in a few days.

-- Chris 13:52, 7 September 2006 (PDT)

he's just got in a lift. Not good. Its continues after the ten o clock news. --plkrtn 13:58, 7 September 2006 (PDT)

He's playing Hong Zhu, if anyone's interested. It's just come back on.

-- Chris 14:40, 7 September 2006 (PDT)

Rename

Any suggestions for what we could rename him to to get rid of the '< Marvin Candle' thing below the title? --SilvaStorm

• Rename to suggested "Marvin Candle a.k.a. Mark Wickmund" --   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  03:11, 28 December 2006 (PST)

• Agree for the reasons above --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  03:19, 31 December 2006 (PST)
• Agree, though I believe it should be renamed The Narrator or Orientation Films Narrator--Gonzalo84 16:33, 31 December 2006 (PST)
• Disagree Simplest names are best, IMHO. Too complex names produce too many redirect pages. --PandoraX 14:45, 4 January 2007 (PST)
• Disagree, theres no problem with the current naming, plus "aka mark wickmund" suggests that his name is actually marvin candle and that mark is his nickname, which is not the case, there is no need to change. --lewisg 06:00, 7 January 2007 (PST)
• Renaming to Marvin Candle (Mark Wickmund) wouild get rid of the '< Marvin Candle' thing below the title. --Elvis 11:10, 7 January 2007 (PST)
• I agree it should be renamed just to get the '/' out of the title. Come to a consensus and leave a message for a sysop to do a move. I'm leaning towards a more generic nickname with redirects for the aka's (Mark Wickmund, Marvin Candle). --   Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 19:59, 9 January 2007 (PST)

No consensus above, so let's try again:

• Rename to Marvin Candle, add a redirect from this page and redirect from Mark Wickmund , and put a disclaimer at the top of the new page that says "this character's name is unclear, and could also be, blah blah". Marvin Candle is the first name in the title right now, so just rename the page to that.--Dagg 20:58, 9 January 2007 (PST)
• Agree with Dagg, move to Marvin Candle: And do the "character name unclear" thing. --Marik7772003 21:40, 9 January 2007 (PST)
• Agree Might as well do it that way. --lewisg 02:49, 10 January 2007 (PST)

Future appearance

According to the Press Release posted by ABC yesterday (http://www.abcmedianet.com/ams/assets/both/2007/02/16/021607_15.html) we should be seeing Dr. Candle in the 3/7 episode, probably in another Orientation film, or in real time. --Stan 15:03, 17 February 2007 (PST)

Provided that the actor is credited as "Dr. Marvin Candle" in episode 3x11 could prove the theory the Pearl Experiment and/or Orientation Film is a hoax. --Stan 11:55, 25 February 2007 (PST)

See Also

First of all, is this really necessary? Isn't the 'theories' tab enough? and secondly, both Marvin Candle/Theories and Marvin Candle/Mark Wickmund/Theories pages exist, when clearly only the one without Wickmund should be the real one. The only problem is that the two pages are slightly different, and I'm not sure how to merge them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Triptolemus (talk • contribs) .

why the real name is so important?

... his name is marvin candle. the pearl, like we saw, is a station for experimental purpouses, not like in the video mr. candle said. he didn´t say a truth when he talk about non-important things happens at the swan. for this, candle changed his name.... to avoid indetified in a chat or something who came from the swan... (" i saw a video with a dr. called candle who said blah blah blah.... " ....."ah....ok.... i had another video in my station, with another dr....".... ) that´s all --Fuzter lost 13:03, 10 March 2007 (PST)

erm.. its important because it must be an important factor if the producers went to the t

rouble of creating two names for the guy. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 13:15, 10 March 2007 (PST)

Candle/Wickmund?

i personally am starting to think they are two different people --Gracie 15:40, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

why?--Fuzter lost 17:57, 20 March 2007 (PDT)

Hand Loss Timeline

Since Candle has his hand in the Pearl video, which occurs in 1980, and he has lost it by the time he does the Swan video, which is also 1980, should we mention that he lost his hand likely around that time?. --Sauron18 16:08, 25 April 2007 (PDT)

Marvin Candle in "The Brig"

Where did he appear in the Episode the Brig. How could I miss him watched the episode 2 times and didn´t found him !

I agree, he's listed as appearing in The Brig but he isn't actually in that episode. Unless somebody comes forward with screenshots, I'm taking it off. Also, how can Dr. Candle appear in the next episode (The Man Behind The Curtain) if he isn't listed on the guest list? Weird... Evil-pineapples 18:02, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

Marvin Candle in The Man Behind the Curtain

He will appear in the man behind the curtain, as seen in the prewiew (by watching very carefully). Hakwam 19:24, 4 May 2007

• Was Candle/Wickmund one of the bodies laying on the ground when Ben returned to the Barricks prior to removing his mask? --MUW Fan|talk|contributions 23:47, 9 May 2007 (PDT)

The new name - Anagram???

I personally think that new name (Edward Hourwax) in addition to the two previous names (Marvin Candle and Mark Wickmund) could be a very good anagram... if anyone can figure it out it would be very nice.. it's the same as it was with anthony cooper.. --   Steff    talk    contribs    email   19:02, 26 July 2007 (PDT)

His name in the video isn't Edward Hourwax. It seems to be Edgar Halowax, or something similar. And I doubt that it'll be any significant anagram; all three names consist entirely of real names, and follow a common theme, suggesting that their mystery is not anagram-based, but based on the actual meaning of "Candle", "Wickmund", "Halowax", etc. Besides, I strongly suspect that this isn't the last alias of Marvin Candle we'll hear about, considering that we haven't seen most of the Orientation Films yet; if that's the case, the hypothetical anagram wouldn't be complete yet. I tried anagramming the three last names, though, and got: "A Dull Nicknamed Wax Chow". Not particularly inspiring. -Silence 14:46, 29 July 2007 (PDT)

New alias

should his appearence from the orchid outakes video be included in the article or is it not considred canon?--4 14:27, 29 July 2007 (PDT)

• It is considered canon however there is speculation it is more of a parody video and even if it is real it is a spoiler and shouldn't be included on this page. -Mr.Leaf 14:28, 29 July 2007 (PDT)

1. The speculation is just that —speculation. There is absolutely 0 evidence that it's a parody, so it should be treated as though it is not.
2. What makes this alias any more of a spoiler than any of the information revealed in The Lost Experience? We have no reason to believe that this orientation film will ever be found on Lost (why would they repeat themselves?), in which case it's unlikely that the alias will ever be revealed except outside the show.
3. If it is a spoiler, why not add the information anyway, but with a spoiler tag above it? That way we can both protect the people who don't want it spoiled, and inform the people who do. -Silence 14:39, 29 July 2007 (PDT)

Firstly, the compromise of "let's just put a spoiler tag at the top" isn't the most practical solution - Lostpedia should seldom even use that template, we are not a spoiler site by principle. Second, the information in that vid can easily be seen as a spoiler when ABC describe it as "a preview of Season 4". --Nickb123 (Talk) 14:42, 29 July 2007 (PDT)

It's almost certainly a preview of season 4 with respect to the Orchid, though, not with respect to the (really, pretty trivial) name "Edgar Halowax". People already know that Candle uses different names and that he's in all the orientation films; merely noting in this article that "Edgar Halowax" (or something similar) is one of those aliases, and providing a piped link to "a new Station" or the like, would almost certainly not spoil anything, while providing people who do want this information with a handy link to it. Seems like the best compromise to me, again, with the consideration that this nickname is surely not the big bad season-4 spoiler if anything is. -Silence 14:50, 29 July 2007 (PDT)

Nick stated the most important statement in this argument, Lostpedia is not a Spoiler site and we never have and will be. Saying that this new nickname is a minor spoiler is true but the fact remains it is still a spoiler and we do not place spoilers such on main articles before it is learned in the show. It is our policy, always has been and always will. There is really no changing that. -Mr.Leaf 14:55, 29 July 2007 (PDT)

But my main point was that we don't know if this is a spoiler. All evidence indicates that the name "Edgar Halowax" will never be revealed on Lost; if that's indeed the case, then how could it be a spoiler for anything? Isn't all the information from The Lost Experience just as much of a spoiler, if not more so?

The "it's a minor spoiler at most anyway" point was just a secondary argument to point to the more practical, rather than principled, side of things. It's like if a video was released on ABC.com revealing that Hurley was nicknamed "Hurler" in grade school, and we wanted to add that briefly to his article; even if it is a spoiler, it's so minor as to be inconsequential and worth including for completeness's sake.

At the very least, though, we do need to include a piped link to The Orchid somewhere in this article; we don't need to spoil anything to provide users with such a link. If it's our policy not to spoil anything under any circumstances, and if we think that The Orchid is a spoiler (which, again, I find doubtful, at least with regard to apparently trivial details), then we should simply delete that article and avoid the problem altogether. If we don't think that it's as clear-cut as all that, then we should at the very least provide links for curious fans to follow to get there, even if we want to quarantine all the possible spoilers in that one article; we've already done the same thing on DHARMA Initiative stations.

By the way, if we are initiating a zero-tolerance policy for Orchid spoilers, we should remove all reference to that station from these articles: DHARMA Initiative, Hanso Foundation facilities, Station explorers, Clones (debunked theory), Bunny, etc. "The Orchid" is also included in Template:Nav-Locations (which is strange, since it isn't even included in our "DHARMA Stations" template). -Silence 19:14, 29 July 2007 (PDT)

I'm not sure it is appropriate to consider any information from The Orchid Video to be spoilers. Per Lostpedia's spoiler policy (proposed), "Plot summaries from ABC, promos for the show, and the Official Lost Podcast are not considered spoilers by Lostpedia and don't require spoiler warnings." Can the video be considered a "promo for the show" since it was officially released on the ABC web site? -- Dagg talk contribs4 8 19:59, 29 July 2007 (PDT)

I noticed that his name is spelled here "Halowax". Are you sure it's not spelled "Hallowax", with two L's? Because with just one L I think it'd be pronounced "Hālōwax" –Nahald 11:20, 10 August 2007 (PDT)

and at least one other alias

In his opening description, why does it list his names, and then "at least one other alias." where is the evidence for this other alias? Shouldn't there be an explanation for it. I'm going to remove that, unless someone can give a good reason to keep it.--Dorritjo 17:16, 18 September 2007 (PDT)

Hallowax

Just wondering...shouldn't Hallowax be added to the natural association statement in regards to the whole fire theme going on with Candle, Wickmund, and The Flame?

am i the only one that sees HOAX when seeing Hallowax? Bun bun 07:21, 24 February 2008 (PST)

Duma Key

I was just browsing the Stephen King book "Duma Key" and i got this strange feeling i'd heard some of this stuff before and the dead giveaways were a man named Edgar and his missing arm. --Faraday is god 08:57, 7 May 2008 (PDT)

Next appearance

Has anyone else noticed that Francois Chau has [REMOVED SPOILER] --Lostie247 17:55, 20 May 2008 (PDT)

Even cast lists are spoilers. Sorry. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  18:04, 20 May 2008 (PDT)

Article rename = Pierre Cheng

As revealed in the Comic Con '08 video, Marvin Candle's "real" name is Pierre Cheng. Should this page be renamed and edited to reflect this?

• Support. This appears to be a canon source and it's not a spoiler. The article should certainly go under his real name. Lovelac7 16:33, 26 July 2008 (PDT)