Married?
Hey guys. I know It says on here that Penny is the wife of Desmond, but I was never able to find any proof of that. Where is it evidenced that they were actually married? --Nintendo_Warrior 23:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- In "Jughead" you can see the wedding rings, and in "The Variable" the nurse refers to her as Ms. Hume. -- CTS Talk Contribs 00:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
They are speaking Portuguese!!!
The guys that Penelope hired were speaking Portuguese, so they're either Brazilian or Portuguese, although the location may not be either of these. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Outride (talk • contribs) 20:25, May 24, 2006.
Time of call?
What time was she called? 2:05 AM or 3:05 AM? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Recurr (talk • contribs) 12:41, May 25, 2006.
Looks like 3:05am to me —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MRNasher (talk • contribs) 12:50, May 25, 2006.
I added an enhanced image of the clock. It looks like 3:05 to me (we're assuming AM, we don't know for sure). The hand pointing at the 2 has a slight gold tint, it's probably the alarm time. --flashburn 21:11, 31 May 2006 (PDT)
Is there something important about it being 3:05 rather than 2:05? If not, I'd suggest deleting that image from the article. --Ghtx 14:59, 11 November 2006 (PST)
3.05 could be yet another Stephen King reference, as it is a very important time in his book The TommyKnockers. It keeps cropping up in the book, and the town's clock points permanently to 3.05. Also, 3+5=8
Not "track", but "find"
She did'nt say "with enough money and effort, you can track everyone" but "with enough money and determination, you can find anyone" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Boubou33fr (talk • contribs) 07:15, May 26, 2006.
First season
Was Penny in the first season? I keep hearing about a photo of her in a previous episode. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Moodysf (talk • contribs) 15:20, May 26, 2006.
- Not the first season but in Man of Science, Man of Faith. The photograph(s) can be found at Desmond's photograph ⇔ EntChickie 07:06, 29 May 2006 (PDT)
Thunderbirds?
I think the writers will slip in a Thunderbirds reference somehow, a butler named Parker, or a PEN 1 numberplate are posibilitys Joesoap
Addresses
I don't know if this belongs in the main article, but neither post code matches up with the rest of the address, though they're in the right general region. SW4 is Balham, south of the Thames and nowhere near as fancy as Kensington. Close to Brixton, too, which is one of the nastiest parts of London. Desmond's postcode seems to be for a village called Daw's Cross, about halfway between Halstead and Colchester, though north of both of them. The CO indicates that it's served by Colchester's sorting office rather than Halstead's. --Wintermute 13:12, 14 July 2006 (PDT)
I'm pretty sure it's "Denismore" not "Davismore". I downloaded it on iTunes today and paused it, so I'm fairly sure. Elakazal 18:32, 17 September 2006 (PDT)
Juliet's Twin
Does anyone else notice the similarity between Penelope Widmore and the Other, Juliet? Does this have something to do with the similarities between Henry Gale and Claire's boyfriend Thomas? Are the Others all "Bad Twins"?
- I think they just go for a certain type when they're casting. Penelope and Juliet also both look like Sarah. --Amberjet11 09:41, 1 November 2006 (PST)
At first I thought they were the same woman, Juliet and Penelope. Only later did I realize they were different. But the facial similarities, coincidental or purposeful, between Sarah, Juliet, and Penelope also remind me of the similarities between Tom, Kelvin, and Mike. It might just be the creators trying to mess with us, but maybe there's more to it. Maybe they are supposed to be archetypal, or maybe there are reasons for having people be the same?
Unanswered Questions
Unanswered Questions
> Why is it known by either Penelope or the crew of the Listening Station that the search for > Desmond will be related to magnetic disturbances?
I thought this was obvious?
Aa you might remember, Desmon said "I think i crashed your plane". The Log said "System Failure". I'm pretty sure that allowed the "beacon" on his boat to send a signal for a short time. That's why the guy at the listening station said "Did we miss it AGAIN" and he wasn't really suprised by the electromagnetic anomaly because it happened before the exact same way.
What do you think?
- I think the question meant here was, "Why does Penelope know Desmond disappeared in the first place, and why does she know his disappearance had something to do with a magnetic disturbance?" --Amberjet11 08:40, 3 November 2006 (PST)
If Penny doesn't know about the boat why does Minkowski tell them she calls the boat but they aren't supposed to answer it. --Messeis 14:34, 2 May 2008 (PDT)
Transmission Charlie received at The Looking Glass
Currently a UQ is "Why did The Looking Glass receive a transmission from her?" This was answered by Damon Lindelof in an Entertainment Weekly interview http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20179125_4,00.html:
- "Good question. Here's how we always thought of that: What we always imagined was that Penny has an auto dialer in the bedroom of her house and in various places that is constantly sending some sort of transmission to the coordinates that were revealed at the end of season 2. So when Charlie turned off the dampening field, her auto caller indicated that her call could go through."
Not sure if this kind of external answer by the producers counts as an answer that would justify removing the question from the UQ list. --LOST-Kuzak 07:19, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
Time Line
Do we assume that every time Pen appears in the rest of the season it is part of the alternate time line? or was that just one episode?Danomite 21:07, 18 April 2007 (PDT)
- It makes the most sense to me, but we can't assume anything at this point.--Jackdavinci 02:48, 19 April 2007 (PDT)
If Desmond met Penelope in 1995, how can they have dated for two years before Desmond met Charles Widmore in 1996?--Plasmodesmatra 18:04, 19 April 2007 (PDT)
- Right now the earliest Desmond could have met Penny is June 1995 (he was still with Ruth when his team won a game in May and I think he was a monk for at least a month) and the latest he could have met Charles is December 1996 which is about 17 months, or nearly a year and a half. Although it didn't really look like December if I recall correctly. I guess either "2 years" is shorthand for "a bit over 1 year" or the producers were careless in informing us that Desmond met Widmore in 1996. --Jackdavinci 21:11, 19 April 2007 (PDT)
Wedding Ring?
Um...is she not wearing a wedding ring during her phone call with Desmond? --Meteor
- I saw that too. My theories are coming up at nada. QuoteGirl 06:41, May 2, 2010 (UTC)QuoteGirl
Uh oh...
Someone just made Ben Linus' shit list. I think Desmond's got himself a new adversary to worry about, one far worse than Charles Widmore... Evil-pineapples 19:29, 25 April 2008 (PDT)
Mythology in Trivia section
I think the mythology-related entries in the trivia section are going a bit overboard. I'd suggest limiting them to a single entry:
- In Greek mythology, Penelope is the faithful wife of Odysseus who awaits his return while he is lost at sea. She fends off 108 suitors by weaving a tapestry which she insists must be completed before she will remarry, but she unravels her progress every night. The name has come to signify a loyal, capable, and clever woman.
I think the above covers the basic mythological significance of the name. The more esoteric myths, such as Widmore being a Poseidon figure, the footrace, and Orpheus, are interesting, but as it's not at all clear that the writers are making reference to them, they should be moved to this article's theory tab.--Hylas 13:14, 28 April 2008 (PDT)
- Shouldn't we also mention that Charles and Penelope Widmore never shared a scene together? Malachi 05:10, 4 June 2008 (PDT)
Desmond's Time Travelling Consciousness
'When Desmond was transported back in time to 1996...' - Small point but it was Desmond's 1996 consciousness travelling forward to 2004. Tom C 12:43, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
Rename
It is obvious she is now Mrs. Hume. So can we now rename her to "Penelope Widmore Hume" or something like that?--LOST-The Cartographer 18:52, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Represent her name as "Penelope Widmore (wife of Hume)" or (W/O Hume) as international passport agencies do, until it's confirmed in writing and canon.--Talkster 02:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- This article's name is in direct conflict with 'Charlie Hume'. Either rename this one 'Penelope Hume', or rename the other one to simply 'Charlie'. -- Xbenlinusx 05:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry? How do we know Penny and Des got married? --Simone85 21:56, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- Wedding rings. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 22:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
- Even if they are married, that doesn't mean she changed her name. Many women keep their maiden names, and in such cases it's not uncommon for the kids to have the dad's last name. It's fine where it is for now, if someone on the show calls her Penelope Hume we can move it then. --Minderbinder 20:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- Then Charlie Hume's article needs to be renamed, as no one has ever called him "Charlie Hume". Same with "Aaron Littleton". -- Xbenlinusx 20:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- A child always takes the fathers last name unless he is not around so Charlie Hume is right but with Penelope it could be Widmore, Widmore-Hume, or just Hume; remember its not the 50s anymore women dont have to take the mans last name :). --Czygan84 15:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
- Then Charlie Hume's article needs to be renamed, as no one has ever called him "Charlie Hume". Same with "Aaron Littleton". -- Xbenlinusx 20:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- Even if they are married, that doesn't mean she changed her name. Many women keep their maiden names, and in such cases it's not uncommon for the kids to have the dad's last name. It's fine where it is for now, if someone on the show calls her Penelope Hume we can move it then. --Minderbinder 20:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- Wedding rings. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 22:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry? How do we know Penny and Des got married? --Simone85 21:56, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- The press release credit her as Penelope "Penny" Widmore so Widmore should probably be kept, but a Widmore-Hume is probably the most that should be done if renamed.--Mistertrouble189 16:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
- What's important is that things are referenced properly either way. So if "Hume" then there should be a note to the effect of "it is assumed she took Desmond's name, but there has been no reference to it within the show or credits" - and if "Widmore" then a note to the effect of "it's likely Penelope took Desmond's name given that they were married and her statements of estrangement from her father, but no reference to her changing her last name has appeared within the show or credits." --Jackdavinci 19:43, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
- In "The Variable," the Nurse refers to Penny as "Mrs. Hume." While this isn't concrete evidence, as the nurse may have simply assumed Penny shared the same last name as her husband, I think it's worth reconsidering whether or not the article name should be changed. ArchangelRJ 02:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Rename 5x14 confirmed Penny and Des were married and she was even reffered to as Ms Hume. Think about it Sun's article doesn't say Sun-Hwa Paik. --Frw22 15:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Anyone noticed that the nurse actually said "Ms. Hume" instead of "Mrs. Hume"? Could it be a blooper? — Iimitk T C 01:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Rename: This should definitely be renamed. -- CTS Talk Contribs 02:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Rename: Although maybe it should be renamed Penelope "Widmore" Hume. --LOST-The Cartographer 17:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Uh, why? It's not her nickname. --Pyramidhead 01:39, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- I know plenty of married women who didn't take their husband's last name. I'll agree that they're married, but there's no in-show basis to say whether she did or didn't take the name Hume. --Gluphokquen Gunih ▲ 02:53, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- She's clearly referred to as Ms. Hume in "The Variable".--Orhan94 17:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- Penny Hume (née Widmore) ?? --Integrated (User / Talk) 10:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
So, somebody else nominated that the article be changed from "Penelope" to "Penny", so let's get some input on that.
I say let's keep it Penelope, most other character pages feature the person's full name (I believe Kate is the sole exception). So, I disagree with renaming the page. --Jf518 11:47, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, the question really concerns her last name. Hume is her husband's name, however, Widmore is her maiden name. There apparently is no reference within the show that indicates how Penny chose to call her name after her marriage to Desmond. At least, thats how I see it as only one person references using a nickname. If we follow the template, makes sense to me to keep the formal name of "Penelope". However, I really don't see this as a question for discussion. --Just Sayin' 12:20, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
Monaco?
Do we have definitive confirmation that Penny & Desmond are moored off Monaco (before they leave for Oxford)? There has been other speculation as to their location, including Greece & other areas in the eastern Mediterranean... --EmmaAmethyst 09:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Index
I think penny and should not be in the category of characters in flashback because it no longer appears there, appears in the central story and should in Secondary characters
- The flashback index is not mutually exclusive from other indexes. There are lots of characters that appear in both flashbacks and real time. She should stay on both. --Jackdavinci 17:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Never being in the same scene as her father trivia ?
- It appears the trivia saying that she has never shared a scene with her father has been removed. Is there a specific reason for that ? They didn't appear together in The Variable, did they ? --LeoChris 17:26, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Infobox picture
Instead of starting an edit war, which I personally hate, I thought that we could decide on a lead pcture for the article. Which one do you prefer - #1 or #2? ODK Talk Sandbox 13:36, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
#1
#2
- 2 - because Eloise's head isn't in it. Brotha305 13:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
- Neutral, but slightly #1 since her body is facing the camera. -- Graft talk contributions 14:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC)- I actually prefer this one, which used to be the infobox picture before 5x14 aired, but if we have to choose between the two pictures above, then, in my opinion, #2 is better because, among other things, Eloise isn't in it. Still, I'd really support going back to the picture I linked above. It is really a much better one. --LeoChris 16:36, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
- #1 better picture of face. -- B1G CZYGS Talk Contribs 02:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
- #2 -- looks more like an appropriate profile picture and not such a weird expression on her face. --Celebok 02:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
- If we're keeping #1, shouldn't we, at least, crop Eloise out of the picture ? --LeoChris 03:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
- #2 I guess but they're both pretty poor pics! I agree with LeoChris, I like that picture it represents her strong character more accurately. --Integrated (User / Talk) 10:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
- #1 because it shows her face. Hawking's hair doesn't really detract from the picture at all. Also, #1 is of higher quality. -- Sam McPherson T C E 19:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- I noticed that the picture has been changed though there is no clear consensus. Let's wait for the discussion to resolve before changing the picture, shall we? -- Sam McPherson T C E 00:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
- That was me, I'm sorry if I was out of line, but at the time, it appeared, to me that a consensus had been reached. There were 4 votes for #2, 1 neutral vote and a single vote for #1. Also, no new votes had been cast in more than 2 weeks, so I thought someone should act on what I thought qualified as a consensus. Now, I see that the discussion isn't as dead as I thought it was ... --LeoChris 07:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'm counting four for #2, 1 neutral, and 2 for #1. By no means a consensus...but I do agree that this discussion seems dead. -- Sam McPherson T C E 18:01, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, 2 for #1 now, but when I made the change, there was only one ;) --LeoChris 04:01, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Since we know that Desmond talked with Libby about his love, maybe Penelope met Libby in some chase. I don't know how, but somehow.--Station7 21:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Penny and Desmond
Information about what happened to Penny and Desmond (and young Charlie) is non-canon because it was not presented in the show and must be treated as such.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 00:29, June 12, 2010 (UTC)