Talk: Paulo

New character Introductions

Does anyone else find it irritating when a show tries to slide in new characters like they've always been there? Wasn't there supposed to be a new storyline with these two? I'll wait patiently, but only because I got juked when Buffy did it. Maybe we'll find out where they came from by Desmonds crazy time travelling or something, but just pretending they were always there feels like a cop out. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'. -Beardog4314 11:56, 26 October 2006 (PDT)

Um, well, they WERE always there. There are about 44 other people on the island, and the other characters have had minor conversations with them. The only thing that we have to pretend is that we've seen them before, or that they were always just out of sight. But in a show like this, where they have 35 characters that have absolutely no personalities, it's entirely reasonable to grab some of them. In Buffy, it was funny. In Lost, it's logical. You're right, though, that most shows couldn't manage such a thing.--NotARedHerring 17:31, 30 October 2006 (PST)

Personally, I feel it is quite irritating. Specially, if the characters seem so 1-dimensional. In Paulo and Nikki's case, unlike Bernard for instance, they were not introduced through an event that relates to them, and justifys where were they all that time, but they were rather thrown in, and acting as if they were just there all along. And not only thrown in, but they were pushed in as well, with the rather tacky way Nikki acts for example, all angry for Hurley not letting her in earlier on what happened. This was so the typical "Charlie"-annoying kind of behavior; not contributing much, yet always unpleasent..A similer attitude appeared from Paulo when talking to Desmond. Seriously, Charlie was more than enough in the irritating department.. I just hope their characters are borden later, just like how Shannon's was gradually expanding to become an integral part of Lost...But of course, this is all my openion :) -- 16:08, 1 November 2006 (PST)

By "not always there", I think Beardog probably means that they were technically not one of the redshirt actors, but now we're supposed to use some suspension of disbelief to think that they were one of the previously unseen. I think that's fine for your ordinary casual viewer, but a lot of lostpedia and forum fans are a little too advanced to fall for that. :) Yes, I find it irritating also, and a ratings bid to bring in some hot new blood for the 'shippers. I'd rather they just worked with what they had and create a more detailed off-island world. --Pandora X 16:14, 1 November 2006 (PST)

Totally agree with the "ratings bid" analysis. I think it is kinda convayed in all of season 3, including the "wardrobe" :) While some changes maybe for the good, but I hope the people behind Lost don't stray from their oringinal direction, and fall in the ratings game that killed many previously excellent shows.-- 17:48, 1 November 2006 (PST)

Besides, they've already got 35 other characters to build at any time! Would it have been so bad to throw Sexy Blue Striped Shirt Girl a line or two? ;) I suppose I shouldn't take it personally, I just don't like seeing new people yelling at my favorite characters! -Beardog4314 15:05, 3 November 2006 (PST)

I know im a bit late on the discussion here but... has anyone noticed that Paulo has an accient sometimes, then it dissapears, then he slightly changes his acsent. It's like: Brazillian, None, Mexican, British, Brazillian. -- Iron Man Send a message View contributions 17:57, 17 November 2006 (PST)

In my personal opinion, Fish Biscuit is a much more worthy character then this POS Paulo. But you know, my opinion counts for nothing. --Stingers135 16:00, 4 December 2006 (PST)

I just came to this wiki praying that these morons were being built from background characters. I can't believe they just tossed in a couple of nobodies like that, they must think the viewing public just shrunk a couple of brain sizes. What's the body count on the so called 40 people now anyway? Gah. Tyrant 18:59, 24 January 2007 (PST)Tyrant

I still think that you guys are being over-sensitive. This isn't an insult to us as viewers; we know that these actors haven't been in the show before, and the writers dont' expect us to believe "Hey, Paulo went to the Black Rock. He laughed when Arzt blew up. He's been captured by The Others seven times!" or anything. It's just the same as expecting us to believe that about forty survivors are portrayed by somewhere around fifty extras. They couldn't pull any of the extras forward because there are all sorts of idiotic regulations about actors and who can be a star and such. But they needed to bring forward some of the other survivors because they aren't just sitting there twiddling their thumbs; they're the ones building ramshackle huts and digging pointless holes; they have probably sat in parts of the island we haven't seen; and they have new backstories to explore that, hey, who knows, could explain everything. Maybe Paulo worked for Dharma and Nikki was the janitor at Santa Rosa. These are things that have to be done in a show of this style, and it would be even more ridiculous if they said "Hey, uh, there was another section of the plane that crashed. You just didn't see it."--Ex-Pope Cardinal Richard Corey 11:14, 1 March 2007 (PST)

Personally I have no problem at all with the way new characters such as Paulo and Nikki (and Arzt before them) are being introduced; it is actually the most natural and a very sensible way of doing so. Actually, it is somewhat unrealistic that there are not more characters like them, Rose and Bernard, with semi-active roles. There are still about twenty "redshirts" in the cast, after all. Luis Dantas 21:46, 5 March 2007 (PST)

I have no qualm against introducing characters from the background and bringing them forward - what I do have a problem with though is the handling. Please don't get me wrong, the idea of Nikki & Paolo is great, but the execution of their introduction has been less than what we've come to expect from a show that has excelled at bringing in new characters. It has felt anything but 'natural,' rather it has been forced, and frankly head-scratching. I'm willing to buy that they've "always been there," but when we've seen virtualy every minute of the lead character's time on the island, I'm just not willing to buy that they are intimate friends with Hurley, or Kate. It's sloppy writing, whatever way you crack it. Lindelof promises an episode in which "all will become clear," and i'm hoping for a "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" type flashback episode that gives us a 3rd party view on all of the island's happenings thus far.Tomservo 19:34, 6 March 2007 (PST)

Anyone notice that they didn't show up until after the discharge? Maybe the discharge has something to do with their sudden arrival and somehow has a hypnotic effect on the rest of the losties to make them think they know them. In episode Enter 77, Sawyer didn't recognize Nikki...and Sawyer wasn't at camp during the discharge either. How it would effect them hypnotically I don't know and may be stretching it a little, but this is a place that seems to have sentient black smoke too. Or maybe they aren't really there at all, and its just the mass imagination of all the losties instead of an individual. The logical answer is the writers just wanted to add new characters, but, they may have a reason for it too. The show already has a large cast, they didn't really need to add anyone just for the heck of it. User:Formula9780

That is not "Coelho"

Hey, this is wrong: In "I Do", the name "Coelho" is inscribed on the back of his shirt. This is both a reference to the famous Brazilian author Paulo Coelho (The Alchemist) and rabbits. "Coelho" is the Portuguese word for "Rabbit". That was "Cielo, Agua y Terra" and was spanish, not portuguese (maybe a production mistake?). In portuguese, would be "Céu, Água e Terra". In english, that means "Sky, Water and Land (or Earth)" Rictad 16:30, 13 November 2006 (PST)

Flashback Episode

In an interview with Damon Lindelof here, he confirmed that episode 314 would be Paulo and Nikki-centric. It was also confirmed elsewhere that the episode would be titled Expos. If no one has any objection, I'll create an article for this episode. Sam McPherson

Need to add to article: Most Despised

A most hated/despised character on Lost. reference ... I'm sure I am not the only one who thinks he's the most despised character on Lost. I have several friends, both in RL and forum communities who agree with me on this. Their should be at least a small reference to critical claims about his character. Even the Lindelof and Cuse stated in one of their recent podcast that he is very despised by the fan community (that we will be changing our minds about him)

I don't think that should be added to the article as it is the fans' opinion and not everybody agrees with it, though a lot of people do (I don't). It's not important enough to be mentioned, not even in a trivia section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nathalia Mueller (talk • contribs) .

There's no mention in this page why Nikki and Paulo are allegedly "universally despised" by the show's audience. I don't despise them personally. It's just blatantly obvious that they were invented by the writers in order to kill them off. They're red shirts. Also, I don't understand why the producers of the series couldn't pull two actors they've already used in the series before, faces we'd recognize who had been in the background, up their pay for a few episodes and utilize them. Should there not be some reference to this in the Trivia section of the Nikki & Paolo pages, that they're allegedly universally despised? Perhaps another sentence or two dismissing this as Damn & Carlton attempting to create controversy where there is none? -- ZachsMind

Well, you should have seen the original Expose talk page before show aired. People like to 'hate' them b/c their sudden appearance in Season 3 seemed to be rubbing salt in the wound of losing major characters like Ana-Lucia or Eko or even Michael. People didn't want new losties what with all the Others-centric episodes, and were mad about characters we'd invested in being killed off one by one. And then they'd just pop up here and there for no reason. Plus, it was probably more in fun than anything. Kudos to the writers for acknowledging this with great humor in Expose (i.e. "Sawyer: "Who the hell is Nikki?" HA! I personally found it hysterical.) And then there was Nikki's line in the beginning: "That's what happens to guest actors; they get killed off.") Hazel 22:44, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

Spelling

I have seen in many sources (such as Lost Mag)Paulo's name being spelled Paolo. Is this just a typo, or the correct spelling.

The character is written Paulo with a u. Not o. In English, the pronounciation is very similar. Paolo is a common name in Spanish speaking countries while Paulo is Portuguese. --Nathalia Mueller 15:22, 8 March 2007 (PST)

Actually, I'm pretty sure it's spelled Paolo--now that we've seen the show "Expose", we know that the way it's said in the show is "POW-loh", and if it were Paulo it would be "PAH-loh", starting like the way you would say the name Paul. But it's pronounced, in Expose, "POW-loh", so I would assume that his name is spelled Paolo. And yes, many different sources would back me up on that spelling of the name. --Kbmusiclover 11:43, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

Have you ever seen the actual press releases? For "Exposé": Guest starring are Kiele Sanchez as Nikki, Rodrigo Santoro as Paulo, William Mapother as Ethan Rom, Ian Somerhalder as Boone... --Marik7772003 12:08, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

Anyone seen a script or credits that use Paulo's last name? Nikki has one, so I assume he'd have one, too. Usually even very minor characters are given last names in the credits. Hazel 22:44, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

He is a Brazilian character, so the correct spelling is indeed Paulo. "Paulo" is spoken in portuguese much like "Paolo" would be by an anglophone. "Paolo" isn't an impossible name for a Brazilian, but it is definitely not spoken as "POW-loh", but rather as "PO-oloh". Luis Dantas 06:11, 28 August 2007 (PDT)

Nikki and Paulo's flashback episode (spoilers)

The promo pictures for Exposé confirm that Nikki and Paulo have this episode's flashbacks. However, I was wondering whether it was okay to add this or not. Shadow Ultra 18:33, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

"may or may not have died?"

I think it's pretty safe to assume both Nikki and Paolo suffocated by the time Hurley and Sawyer finished piling on the dirt. I don't think we're likely to get any explicit "confirmation" of their deaths. :-D P.S. Why can't the top part of the main article be edited to fix this silly line?--Puddin Tame 22:18, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

I don't know; they aren't dead, and the island has healing properties (not enough to wake them up earlier than 8 hours). JeffreyLV 23:36, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

Buried under a mound of dirt seems pretty dead to me. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:05, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

Yeah, I honestly doubt we will see these two again, except maybe in flashbacks before the end of the season. - RodimusBen

I still find it frustrating that the first section of the article can't be edited. Am I the only one who thinks saying, "was buried alive and is likely dead" is unintentionally hilarious?--Puddin Tame 07:55, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

Locke sure went out of his way to mention that "Things don't stay buried on this island for very long" which seems intended to cause us to consider that these characters may crop up again.

If so, I don't think they'll smell very good.--Puddin Tame 07:48, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

Well, actually, people who have been buried under much more dirt than that, whether in an avalanche or a rock slide or whatever the case may be, have been known to survive due to air pockets; being able to breathe long enough to dig themselves up to the surface tiny bits at a time, or until which time they were dug up again. --Kbmusiclover 11:47, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

There was definitely room left open for the possibility they will survive in the episode itself - Nikki's poison seems to wear off just as she is buried, and Paulo's should have started to wear off a little sooner. Also, they were buried with diamonds, so there is motivation for someone else to dig them up. And little hints like Howard talking about bringing back Nikki's supposedly dead character on Exposé, and Locke saying things don't stay buried. However, outside of the episode it seems like the producers are saying they 'killed them off' so I would assume they are dead. My guess would be that the characters will remain dead, but that the actors will reappear in the future in flashbacks or as the monster. In any case, it will probably be definiteively clear during the next beach episode. --Jackdavinci 00:56, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

OK so according to recent changes the actors say they are dead. Can someone put the reference link in the article Trivia or at least here in discussion so people don't keep writing that they aren't dead?--Jackdavinci 19:43, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

I think maybe the status should be changed to Unknown just until we're sure they are really dead, who knows, they may perform a Kill Bill 2 style escape from underground.--Baker1000 15:47, 1 April 2007 (PDT)

By that logic, every single deceased character should have their status changed to to unknown. They should be presumed dead until there is some information to the contrary. Dharmatel4 14:41, 3 April 2007 (PDT)

I still think that the status should read that they are "presumed dead." For one thing, the episode ended just as they were buried. Moments later, we could have seen a hand emerge from the earth. Creepy! Secondly, I believe that people who seem to believe strongly that they are dead are using an interview with Kiele Sanchez as the basis of their opinion. The actress's testimony may or may not be accurate, as the writers could (unbeknownst to her) later decide to bring these characters back. And shouldn't we use the information presented to us in the episodes, not interviews, articles, etc., to prepare Lostpedia articles? Libbyjones715 15:08, 3 April 2007 (PDT)

If the strict standard of what is in the show is applied, they are dead. They were put into a hole and a large amount of sand was dumped on top of them. That is not a situation that very many people will survive (people have survived but the odds are low). Anything else (including what Locke said) consistutes a theory that they might be alive. Theories do not belong in articles. The words presumed dead were an attempt to meet people halfway. Presumed meant "in the absence of any further information to the conrary". Kiele Sanchez seemed to offer support for accepting that they were dead. The writers could bring back any dead character they want at any time including but not limited to Nikki and Paulo. But until they decide to do that, we should consider people who appear to have died to be dead. Dharmatel4 15:32, 3 April 2007 (PDT)

If the "strict standard" is applied, then everyone on Flight 815 should be dead--seems just as unlikely as being buried alive. So, they've been confirmed dead due to real world reasons (not resigning, not fond of the characters, etc.) that doesn't mean you should have assumed for purposes of the show that people in similar situations are dead. Was Mikhail dead by the "strict standard"? Seriously. In Lost, there is a lot of strange stuff going on and misdirection. It's my guess that even though they're dead their diamonds and story will play in again later.--Stormj 16:15, 10 May 2007 (PDT)

Last Appearance?

Is this supposed to be:

"most recent appearance in the show" (in which case all those N/As don't make sense)
"episode in which they died" (in which case what's the point, since they may appear again in flashback, monster, or vision form)
"last episode they appeared in, in the series as a whole" in which case we can't possibily answer this until the series ends

Enquiring minds want to know...--Jackdavinci 16:19, 1 April 2007 (PDT)

Please don't ask the same question on more than one page. See Template talk:Infobox OceanicPassenger Character for my answer. -Mr.Leaf 16:26, 1 April 2007 (PDT)

Sorry I wrote it there and then figured it was such an obscure page that noone would actually have it on their watch list, so I put it on a "hot" page where I figured I might actually get an answer. --Jackdavinci 17:24, 1 April 2007 (PDT)

Nikki and Paulo confirmed dead

Damon himself has confirmed that on a scale of 1 to 10 dead, they are a full-on Nigel Tufnel 11!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dharmatel4 (talk • contribs) .

Country of Origin

The first line in the thing is "Originally from Brazil..." This may sound stupid, but how do we know his character was from Brazil? Did he mention it at some point, or did Nikki mention it? Myk 22:41, 7 May 2007 (PDT)