Apperance[]
What does she look like? I mean is she the girl in the yellow shirt and white pants though out most of season 1?
Character Name[]
Where does the N.D. come from in the character's name? She's just listed as "Survivor" in the credits. --JoserKyind 13:10, 7 November 2006 (PST)
- So the lady's character name is "N.D. survivor" with the 's' lowercased? On the page I see both the 's' capitilized and in lowercase so just wanted to check before I edit it--Mistertrouble189 09:04, 10 July 2008 (PDT)
Rename[]
- I understand why we can't just name her Survivor (even though producers credit her as this, too generic & easily confused with other characters), but N.D. Survivor? Takes too much explaining. I think we should rename to nondescript survivor or something that matches Woman (from Pilot) or just come up with some standard way of naming redshirts. Does she do anything in particular that could make her "____ woman" to match articles such as Gas man? --PandoraX 07:32, 28 January 2007 (PST)
- Agree She could be called: Worried Woman; Man of Science Man of Faith Lady or even Another Completely Random Survivor Who Says One Sentance and Vanishes for Good. --Princess Dharma (banned) 04:04, 18 February 2007 (PST)
- Agree If "N.D. Survivor" is not what the credits said. If "Survivor" is the credit than maybe "Survivor (Episode Name)". Were any of the other red shirts besides this one actress credited with that title?--Jackdavinci 16:37, 19 February 2007 (PST)
- Disagree- All the other characters who aren't given proper names or are just credited as man or woman have a word in front of their name to describe them. You guys are trying to do that to this article however it is already done. There really is no way to describe her as she has one line, it is dark and she isn't important. Therefore nondescript (N.D) Survivor suits her fine. Naming her Nondescript Survivor seems to long and unimportant and would make this page even more impossible to find but that's just me. -Mr.Leaf 16:26, 19 February 2007 (PST)
- I think the point is that "ND" was made up by who ever created the page and isn't something in the credits. Usually we use the credited name "survivor" but when it's in conflict with another name we use the episode title to disambiguate. --Jackdavinci 16:34, 19 February 2007 (PST)
- Well that may be true. I think you are missing my point. Such pages as gas man, Tourniquet Man or Woman (from Pilot) were all named by whoever created the page or were changed to that because it suited the character. It makes sense because the gas man yells to watch out for the gas, the Tourniquet man is named so because Jack used a Tourniquet on him and Woman (from Pilot) is just that, the woman from the Pilot. And as with this article the same thing is done. It could have just as easily been named Woman (from Man of Science, Man of Faith) although I see why that wasn't used. So of course as with the other unnamed men and woman, someone probably tried to see find a word to describe her although she only has one line, it is dark and hard to see her, and she isn't very distinguishable. N.D. (meaning nondescript) is very commonly used the plays or tv shows for small roles who aren't special in any way basically. So N.D. is exactly what you guys are looking for, that key word to describe her, nondescript. Anything else and your verging on making this page impossible to find. -Mr.Leaf 16:50, 19 February 2007 (PST)
- I agree with you for characters that aren't given designations in the credits (until we come up with some other policy about it). I just think that characters that do get a title in the credits should be listed that way.
- Well those people are just named man, or woman, and this character is just named Survivor. I too see where you are coming from so we'll just have to wait for more people to vote and see where this goes. -Mr.Leaf 17:27, 19 February 2007 (PST)
- Just out of curiousity is there a good reference external for the credits listed in particular episodes or are we just using the info on the abcpromos site? --Jackdavinci 17:52, 19 February 2007 (PST)
- Well those people are just named man, or woman, and this character is just named Survivor. I too see where you are coming from so we'll just have to wait for more people to vote and see where this goes. -Mr.Leaf 17:27, 19 February 2007 (PST)
- I agree with you for characters that aren't given designations in the credits (until we come up with some other policy about it). I just think that characters that do get a title in the credits should be listed that way.
- Well that may be true. I think you are missing my point. Such pages as gas man, Tourniquet Man or Woman (from Pilot) were all named by whoever created the page or were changed to that because it suited the character. It makes sense because the gas man yells to watch out for the gas, the Tourniquet man is named so because Jack used a Tourniquet on him and Woman (from Pilot) is just that, the woman from the Pilot. And as with this article the same thing is done. It could have just as easily been named Woman (from Man of Science, Man of Faith) although I see why that wasn't used. So of course as with the other unnamed men and woman, someone probably tried to see find a word to describe her although she only has one line, it is dark and hard to see her, and she isn't very distinguishable. N.D. (meaning nondescript) is very commonly used the plays or tv shows for small roles who aren't special in any way basically. So N.D. is exactly what you guys are looking for, that key word to describe her, nondescript. Anything else and your verging on making this page impossible to find. -Mr.Leaf 16:50, 19 February 2007 (PST)
Just to be clear, my objection to the title is not with the fact that there is something in addition to Survivor... it's with the N.D. That's a fan abbreviation that is not used commonly, and that people won't understand. When I look at N.D., it makes me think those are initials for first and last name. --PandoraX 18:01, 19 February 2007 (PST)- Actually, as I went to ABC Medianet to look for the exact press release the Survivor is credited in, it turns out she is credited as N.D. Survivor in the official press release (found here). So as N.D. survivor is the official name should we really be changing the name of the article? -Mr.Leaf 18:03, 19 February 2007 (PST)
- In that case I would say no. But I wonder if it should maybe not be capitalized. --Jackdavinci 18:17, 19 February 2007 (PST)
- If it is the name from the press release, I guess it's the logical choice to stick with that, who knows she may yet be named as a background character.--J-- 11:54, 25 February 2007 (PST)
- We've been going with abcmedianet names for characters, so despite it being awkward, my vote is with whatever abcmedianet says. ALSO, if the actress is indeed credited by abcmedianet, then by definition, she is NOT a background/redshirt for that episode.-- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯ Talk 01:11, 3 March 2007 (PST)
- If it is the name from the press release, I guess it's the logical choice to stick with that, who knows she may yet be named as a background character.--J-- 11:54, 25 February 2007 (PST)
- Agreed. But moving to lower case "s" in survivor, as that is what she is in press release. --Marik7772003 06:21, 3 March 2007 (PST)