Good thought Dissonance, i hadn't considered that Magnus might be an ancestor, rather than descendant.

I'm going to edit the facts on Hanso that mention Barker... he's irrelevant, as the actual Albertus Magnus was named De Groot... very very good find, but the Clive Barker stuff is totally irrelevant. -Piscez

Come on!

Someone keeps removing the Clive Barker reference. Would it be possible to remove the fictional stuff also if you plan on going on about the real Magnus Hanso? Here's EXACTLY what I mean by the fictional stuff:

  • Alchemy exist and is a science
  • Androids can be built and have been 800 years ago by using "angels of the netherworld" and "materials unknown to men"

Ofcourse, I might be wrong and cows fly. --skks 11:38, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

Being a fan of Clive Barker, i'm intrigued to know what the reference is you speak of. Could you possibly put it on this talk page? -- BlahDeBlahblah 17:10, 13 June 2006 (PDT)

An issue with the box idea

Quote from the main article page: "A six-sidedBox of Secrets: Encrusted with the various symbols of alchemy and the signs of the planets, the box promises wealth and knowledge equaled only by God himself. It is said that when the signs and symbols have been arranged into "...the shape of The Master's Plan" shall open the "portals to the other side." -- The shape of the Box of Secrets ressembles the hidden map drawn on the blast door of The Swan station. This links the stations to the sides of a Box of Secrets."

Yeeeessss....All well and good except the shape of the box does not resemble the hidden map on the blast door. The map is an eight-sided box. Octagonal. The box is six sided. Hexagonal. Maybe this little tidbit should be removed? -- BlahDeBlahblah 08:36, 16 May 2006 (PDT)

Anagram of Magnus Hanso

Just amended the anagram, it was showing "An Man Shogun", too many n's, not enough s's! Once I worked out the full anagram, it led me to a new theory relating to the meaning of the word "Shogun". Hope it helps! -- BlahDeBlahblah 03:41, 17 May 2006 (PDT)

Albertus Magnus

"Magnus" isn't Albert's surname; it is a title meaning "the Great" (he is known in Catholic circles as St. Albert the Great and is also called the "Universal Doctor"). He was more than just a philosopher and theologian; he was also a scientist, quite possibly the greatest of his era (with the possible exception of Roger Bacon).

  • The information posted on "Magnus" under Albert the Great with all the stuff about "androids" and the elixir of life is completely historically incorrect. Where did this come from? I rather suspect someone is confusing some sort of medieval "Magus" or magician with Albertus Magnus, or Albert the Great, who was not an alchemist.52scarpelli 17:07, March 25, 2010 (UTC)52scarpelli


Look what Speaker said in his last entry "An interest that started with Alvar Hanso’s Grandfather Magnus Hanso, the captain of the slave ship “The Black Rock."" Now I know Speaker isn't Cannon, but it's a low-risk assumption that he is Lindelof and that would be confirming this theory. Still need to wait for something officially Cannon, but at this point I think it's safe to say Magnus is Alvar's grandfather and was on the Black Rock.--Two Coyotes 21:34, 24 July 2006 (PDT)

  • It has been confirmed by Rachel Blake in her recap post. --Jajasoon 12:41, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Is it safe to go ahead and delete all of the theories saying Magnus is a honorific title or that it may actually be Alvar Hanso etc...?--Two Coyotes 18:27, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
    • i would say yes. --kaini. 18:49, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

OK - done. Here's an archive of the theories deleted:

  • Magnus may be a honorific title of some sort (like Prof., Dr., Master).
  • Magnus is a nickname/false name, and as it means "great" or things along those lines, Magnus Hanso is the actual leader of the others - but he is really Alvar Hanso, the real founder of the Hanso Foundation. He may have crashed his ship on the island, possibly on purpose, along with Widmore Corporation or other companies working with them, and built the hatches:
  • If "Magnus" is an honorific, then it's Alvar Hanso who is buried there
  • Magnus was the son or brother of Alvar
  • Magnus may also be Alvar's father or grandfather - according to Rachel Blake, this is true. Alvar is extremely old - On his Lostpedia entry he is mentioned as first 'making his mark' during the second world War.
  • It might be that Magnus Hanso, whoever he is, had nothing to do with the actual ship called Black Rock. The blast door map only states he's possibly buried near it.
    • If Magnus had nothing to do with the Black Rock ship, then he could possibly be both the owner of the Glass eye and perhaps the person that is referenced on the blast door map as "I think were on the same wavelength". That could also make Magnus, Alvars *son* rather then father.

--Jajasoon 07:07, 26 July 2006 (PDT)

The Black Rock

This has to be a historical oversight by the producers, but the picture presented in the fictional book is indeed of HMS Victory. Hms Victory is not a frigate, but was in fact a first rate ship of the line, a much bigger ship with at least thrice the number of cannons.

The reason I deleted it was because you said it was a museum, and it is a museum ship.--CaptainInsano 11:50, 13 September 2006 (PDT)
Very well but this does not change the fact that this page presents inacurate information. Just wanted to help out. cheers... (Easter Bunny)

Unclear Theories

"Magnus" is also the name of a holy man from central Europe who killed a dragon and rid a land of evil beasts.

I removed this because there were several "holy men" in Europe by the name of Magnus, and to mention this one, especially since the details are rather vague, would merit adding more Magnuses. Which means more irrelevant biographical information about non-Hanso Magnuses.

Considering that the Black Rock may have been a British prison ship en route to Australia, and the dynamite it found in it was patented in 1867 Sweden, Magnus may have been on the Black Rock. However, as the last convict ship destined for Australia left Britain in 1867, arriving in 1868, this only allows a small and unlikely window of time for the dynamite to travel from Sweden to England and then aboard a convict ship. And if Magnus discovered something of interest on the island while he was marooned there, Alvar may have been trying to continue his grandfather's work through the Dharma Initiative.

I did not remove this, only moved the last sentence to "Theories". But I'm confused to as to what is being said here. I was under the impression that the presence of Magnus Hanso on the Black Rock, and therefore the Island, was definite... and why is Sweden mentioned? It is, of course, a neighbor of Denmark, but when has a substantial connection ever been even alluded to? What could I have missed?! Because of my confusion, I'm not sure whether to remove the passage or not.

Also, where does the information about Albertus Magnus' android come from?

Unanswered Questions

Should the "Is Magnus Hanso the Man in Black?" question be removed? We've seen the Man in Black before the Black Rock landed on the island. --Rzip 15:56, March 10, 2010 (UTC)Rzip

Ab Aeterno

"In an effort the avoid having to account for the surviving slaves, he begins plunging his sword into their chests." No. No he didn't. That was Whitfield. --Golden Monkey 03:49, March 24, 2010 (UTC)