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Production Status

Is there any more infomation about them? It seems like they have been ignored. --   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  05:24, 3 December 2006 (PST)

I've never heard of this before. Is this still going on?   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   17:03, 24 March 2007 (PDT)

Is the price now known? Are airing-times now known? Have anyone been able to watch the first episode on abc.com? How do we actually get them through Verizone? Are the resolutions and other technical data known? I'm still somewhat confused.--Mc peko 03:20, 13 November 2007 (PST)

Is the video not working for you at abc.com? I've been able to view it for about 24 hours now. I haven't heard how much it costs to view them on Verizon; I'm assuming there is some sort of "coverage", or plan that you pay for that allows you access to extra media content like these. They will be released weekly, presumably Mondays on the website; they will be available to Verizon V-Cast subscribers earlier in the previous week, I guess Tuesdays, based on when the first one showed up. The resolution on abc.com is just the size of their embedded video player, which is kinda small, not sure what exactly. -- Graft   talk   contributions  03:51, 13 November 2007 (PST)

It's not working for me, no.--Mc peko 04:08, 13 November 2007 (PST)

Hm, make sure you've looked at the video help page. -- Graft   talk   contributions  15:25, 13 November 2007 (PST)

Thanks. I have now. I have the latest Flash players [and I'm a Flash producer myself]. Could it be a for-Americans-only thing? If so, I could go through a proxy-server. I've tried several different computers and so on. --Mc peko 04:10, 26 November 2007 (PST)

Oh yeah, it could be an America-only thing. I'm pretty sure the full episode player only works in the U.S. -- Graft   talk   contributions  04:33, 26 November 2007 (PST)

Gregg Nations

Well, basically Gregg Nations thinks they have been canceled.

[1]--   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  11:32, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

Hurley

I've read that the mobisodes will be filmed by Hurley with his cellular. That would make sence. And I love the idea. Should this be mentioned?--Mc peko 15:42, 21 October 2007 (PDT)

Although noone answered my question, I went ahead and added this information, since it's such a major part of the concept. I thought it would be nice to have this information out before the mobisodes actually are aired, which could be today!--Mc peko 02:32, 6 November 2007 (PST)

I believe the original notion was changed, there was a clip shown at the 2006 comic con involving Hurley and his video camera (which never was released on youtube or anywhere unfortunately). But there is a clip out now, mobisode 1 involving Jack and Christian, and seems to be flashbacks as our story so far, no sign of Hurley or the camera.--mac_ad 14:04, 6 November 2007 (PST)

Yeah. I've seen "The Watch". I'd love to see that Comic Con Hurley clip. And let's hope that Video Diaries concept happens in the next hiatus or sometime later.--Mc peko 05:12, 7 November 2007 (PST)

Flashbacks?

Are the Missing Pieces considered to be flashbacks? There is no evidence for that, really. Maybe we should use the more neutral word scene?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hunter61 (talkcontribs) .

What else could this be. Are you suggesting it is an on island scene? Is it a flashback, not technically, is it a scene from Jack's past, definitely. -Mr.Leaf 08:21, 7 November 2007 (PST)
Ofcourse not, I'm not dumb. I just made the point that it is technically not a flashback, like you say yourself. Because there ain't no connected scene at the Island-present. It's a Jack-centered scene in the past, that's all you can say --Hunter61 08:34, 7 November 2007 (PST)
I agree. You need to have context of a current "now" in order for something to be a flashback. All we are presented with in the clip is a scene from Jack's past. Yes, it could've been a scene inserted into "Do No Harm", in which case it would've been a flashback from the context of Jack on the Island trying to save Boone; but it wasn't. I think we have to consider these mobisodes as little scenes that stand on their own. It is more accurate to call it a Jack centric episode, and to refer to it in the article as a scene from Jack's past, rather than a flashback. -- Graft   talk   contributions  16:35, 7 November 2007 (PST)
What makes King of the Castle a Ben "flashback" as oposed to a Jack? --Gluphokquen Gunih 23:15, 21 November 2007 (PST)

Nothing. This needs to be reformulated.--Mc peko 00:29, 22 November 2007 (PST)

Questions

What is "The Beginning of the End"? Why is that picture of Jack not from the mobisode? Also they call it Episode 107 now. Perhaps they will be non-chronologic then?--Mc peko 11:00, 13 November 2007 (PST)

"The Beginning of the End" is the name of the first episode in Season 4.--Baker1000 11:28, 13 November 2007 (PST)

Good theory.--Mc peko 15:34, 13 November 2007 (PST)

There have been some screwy things going on with the Lost section of the site lately as they've been changing the layout and design. At one point they posted a Feb. 14 premiere date, and then took it down. I have a feeling they aren't putting their best people on it. ;) -- Graft   talk   contributions  15:25, 13 November 2007 (PST)

Agreed.--Mc peko 15:34, 13 November 2007 (PST)

Rename

  • Rename: The ABC website now has the page up for the mobisodes; they are calling them Lost: Missing Pieces. [2] -- Graft   talk   contributions  11:35, 16 November 2007 (PST)
  • Rename. Agreed, we should follow the official name --Hunter61 21:05, 7 November 2007 (PST)
    • Mind you, I think they don't use a colon --Hunter61 01:33, 14 November 2007 (PST)
      • Yeah, they do.--Mc peko 01:47, 14 November 2007 (PST)
  • Rename: ABC.com uses this name. --   Steff    talk    contribs    email   06:09, 8 November 2007 (PST)
  • Rename: As per above reasons. --   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  01:19, 10 November 2007 (PST)
  • Rename: Same reasons as above.--Baker1000 08:59, 10 November 2007 (PST)
  • Rename: Same as above. --Phil (talk) 08:33, 11 November 2007 (PST)
  • Rename: As above. --Blueeagleislander 22:53, 13 November 2007 (PST)
  • Don't rename: Sorry but I believe Missing Pieces will suffice. It is lostpedia policy to try and deter from using the word Lost in titles, on the basis that everyone already knows what it is about. "Missing Pieces" is good enough in my opinion. ABC uses "Lost", just to clarify what it is. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 02:07, 14 November 2007 (PST)
    • Yes, but that is for article titles that need to be made up by us; titles that need to be descriptive, such as lists. This title is not just an article title, it is a "real world" title; one that was created by the producers/ABC. It is not up to us how to edit it. They chose to put Lost in it to diferentiate it in the "real world", not within Lostpedia. Kinda like how the title Conspiracy could mean several things, but 24: Conspiracy clearly means the 24 mobisode series. Many other titles from the expanded Lost universe have Lost in the title for this reason: The Lost Experience, Lost: The Official Magazine, Lost: The Board Game, The Lost Symphony, Lost: The Complete Second Season (DVD), etc. etc. -- Graft   talk   contributions  11:35, 16 November 2007 (PST)
  • Don't rename: Agree with lewis --Hen-Regale 09:49, 14 November 2007 (PST)
  • Rename: If it is just called "Missing Pieces", it sounds very much the same as something like "Deleted scenes", with the only difference being the capital 'P'. --SilvaStorm

Tentative airing schedule

Verizon ABC ep. code length title centric corresponding episode .flv KB day pic.
tues 06-11-07 mon 12-11-07 01 107 02:39 The Watch Jack and Christian 01x20 Do No Harm 8,029 2003 TheWatch
tues 13-11-07 mon 19-11-07 02 103 02:08 Hurley and Frogurt Hurley and Neil 02x20 Two For The Road 6,318 64 Hurley and Frogurt Mobisode2
tues 20-11-07 mon 26-11-07 03 101 02:00 King of the Castle Jack and Ben 03x11 Enter 77 (aprox.) 6,656 75 - 80 KingOfTheCastle
tues 27-11-07 mon 03-12-07 04 110 03:02 The Deal Juliet and Michael 02x22 Three Minutes 8,755 62 or 63 MichaelTheDeal2
tues 04-12-07 mon 10-12-07 05 106 03:08 Operation: Sleeper Jack and Juliet 13x18 D.O.C. - 13x19 The Brig 9,047 88 OperationSleeperJuliet
tues 11-12-07 mon 17-12-07 06 104 01:22 Room 23 Juliet and Ben TBA 4,484 45 - 49 Mx06 Juliet
tues 18-12-07 mon 24-12-07 07 112 02:32 Arzt & Crafts multiple TBA 7,695 7 Mx07Arzt
tues 25-12-07 mon 31-12-07 08 105 03:27 Buried Secrets Sun and Michael TBA 10,843 6 - 44 Mx08 Sun Michael
tues 01-01-08 mon 07-01-08 09 111 03:00 Tropical Depression Arzt and Michael TBA 9,209 43 Mx09 Arzt Michael
tues 08-01-08 mon 14-01-08 10 102 02:40 Jack Meet Ethan Jack and Ethan TBA 8,117 2 - 6 Mx10-EthanRom
tues 15-01-08 mon 21-01-08 11 108 02:09 Jin Has a Temper multiple TBA 7,088 12 or later Mx11 Jin
tues 22-01-08 mon 28-01-08 12 109 02:00 The Envelope Juliet and Amelia TBA 6,460 1 Juliet-TheEnvelope
tues 29-01-08 mon 04-02-08 13 113 02:02 So It Begins Jack and Christian TBA 6,995 1 So it begins

I'd like to add this to the page. Do you agree?--Mc peko 04:48, 10 November 2007 (PST)

  • well, it certainly seems to fit with what we know. The last one fits exactly before the expected season-premiere. I wouldn't mind. --Hunter61 05:08, 10 November 2007 (PST)
    • You may want to ad the ABC-dates, starting coming monday with The Watch --Hunter61 05:13, 10 November 2007 (PST)
  • Thank you. I've added the list, between Production and Background, and will look into the ABC-dates thing.--Mc peko 06:37, 10 November 2007 (PST)
  • I've added ABC-dates.--Mc peko 06:54, 10 November 2007 (PST)
    • I changed the lay out a bit. I hope you don't mind --Hunter61 21:42, 10 November 2007 (PST)
      • That's fine.--Mc peko 04:08, 11 November 2007 (PST)
  • To Browndog922: Where did you get that title of mobisode two from?--Mc peko 01:52, 14 November 2007 (PST)

I've added a column for Corresponding episode with numbers and titles.--Mc peko 06:29, 14 November 2007 (PST)

  • Good thought! --Hunter61 07:04, 14 November 2007 (PST)
    • Thanks. Could prove helpfull in trying to find a pattern of sorts.--Mc peko 07:20, 14 November 2007 (PST)
  • I have removed this section from this page as the airing schedule is on the main page on the Next Week on Lost section. Also this table is guess work, not that of an encyclopedia. There is no way to know ahead of time when they will be released for sure. I cannot find anywhere that says they will be released consecutively, so assuming this is pure guess work. Also ABC has decided to not release any information on the names of future mobisodes and only release it a few days before it is released on ABC.com (after we have it due to release on phones) so the TBA is redundant as soon as we can fill that in the below section with the sectionbox for each mobisode will be filled in with the official airdates. Because of those reasons I've removed the table from this article. -Mr.Leaf 12:35, 16 November 2007 (PST)

I've added the table to my user-page.--Mc peko 04:26, 20 November 2007 (PST)

Consecutive airing is now offically confirmed by ABC in Flash adds. TBA becomes a redundant phrase when we have the actual information, yes. Ofcourse. That is what TBA means. To Be Announced. Also I'd like to point out that I've clearly named this table tentative, as in 'These dates are likely assumptions, but might not happen if something special should occour.'. I'd like to bring back the table, but hessitate to do so because others might still not agree. In my oppinion the table brings a sort of possitivity in that it gives us something to look forward to. Any comments on this ranting are appreciated.--Mc peko 04:48, 26 November 2007 (PST)

Seems that the third webisode is still not available on abc.com--Mc peko 14:41, 27 November 2007 (PST)

Now it seems to be there. Released today then?--Mc peko 06:05, 28 November 2007 (PST)

The Premise

  • On June 27th 2007 Cuse mentioned that the 90-second Mobisode stories revolve around a unique mystery, more closely rooted to the LOST mythology than Bad Twin. I wonder what that mystery will be. I haven't a clue from watching the first mobisode. --Hunter61 07:40, 10 November 2007 (PST)
  • Have any of you noticed that it seems there are going to be 13 mobisodes, which is exact to the current regular Season 4 cast? One mobisode for each character, maybe? Just a thought. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ZTcrazy (talkcontribs) .
  • Nice theory.--Mc peko 07:44, 10 November 2007 (PST)
  • Now debunked.--Mc peko 23:02, 5 December 2007 (PST)

Disappointing so far

The premise of missing pieces was interesting because it could have been used to fill gaps in the plot or to solve minor mysteries that were not worth TV time. But they seem to be going in another direction. The first one was "so what". The second one tries the Nikki and Paulo trick again. Things like the two cut scenes with Ben that ended up as extras on the season 3 DVD were what I was hoping for. Or give us another orientation film. And why so short? Its not as if they are paying by the word. I would think that the setup costs for these things is high enough that a longer scene in the same set doesn't cost anymore than very short. Dharmatel4 12:44, 14 November 2007 (PST)


  • I'm still on a fence here. The two shown so far can only be enjoyed if you're a hardcore fan. They both show a scene that really only can be appreciated if you know the context. The irony of the first was that Jack's marriage wouldn't work out after all. The irony of the second one was the knowledge of the massacre that was taking place at the same time. --Hunter61 21:38, 14 November 2007 (PST)
    • What I'm still not sure about is if the they stand on their own, or if they are thematically linked. I can understand the Frogurt one standing on it's own, if it's a response to fan-questions about this mystery-guy. But such an explanation doesn't work for the watch, which has never been noted before. Maybe these are elements here that will be used in Season 4? I.e. will the watch, grandfather Shephard and Neil become important later on in the series, and are these mobisodes just teasers? --Hunter61 21:38, 14 November 2007 (PST)

Sequence/Production codes

Episode #3 is now on ABC's credits page, and it is labeled "Episode 101", while "The Watch" and "The Adventures of Hurley and Frogurt" are labeled "Episode 107" and "Episode 103", respectively. Are they releasing them out of order? Are they just screwing up the labels? Something fishy is happening, somehow, I think. Maybe all the references to time have something to do with this. -- Graft   talk   contributions  23:28, 19 November 2007 (PST)

There is no particular continuity or ordering to them. The episode numbers can indicate script or shooting order rather than any particular broadcast order. The production quality on episode three seemed more like a first try than the other two. I think they would have got a better initial reaction if this had been the first one Dharmatel4 16:09, 20 November 2007 (PST)

With the three released production codes being 107, 103 and 101, we can conclude that the number 7 does not mean year 2007. With The Watch being an off-island flash-back and The Adventures of Hurley and Frogurt taking place on the island we now know that these mobisodes / webisodes can be clips from any time and location. Flash-forwards included. Also since the talk between Jack and his father must have taken place before the conversation between Hurley and Frogurt, and The Watch has production code 107 and The Adventures of Hurley and Frogurt has production code 103, theese numbers cannot be of a chronological nature either. Furthermore we can also rule out that they relate to their corresponding episodes in that sort of chronology because Do No Harm is episode 01x20 and Two For The Road is episode 02x20. With today's third clip King of the Castle having production code 101 and presumeably being a conversation between Jack and Ben, the production codes so far are actually of a reversed chronological order. That wouldn't make much sence, so we're left with... (imagine that Lost sound effect here) a mystery!--Mc peko 03:18, 20 November 2007 (PST)

We should ofcourse add these production codes. Where do you want them? Should we add all those credits on abc.com too?--Mc peko 03:27, 20 November 2007 (PST)

And lengths. The Watch is 02:39. The Adventures of Hurley and Frogurt is 02:08.--Mc peko 06:09, 20 November 2007 (PST)

I've added production codes to all three mobisodes on their respective pages. I felt this was about time. Feel free to reformulate and / or reposition.--Mc peko 00:44, 22 November 2007 (PST)

The production codes will by all probabilty range from 101 to 113. As such we can add the last number before it's released. Just a detail that just occoured to me.--Mc peko 11:52, 10 December 2007 (PST)

I've cleaned up the production notes sections on the respective pages. The were not consequent.--Mc peko 10:05, 11 December 2007 (PST)

Logo and images

Nice to have that logo on the top of the page there. I was thinking about adding that too.--Mc peko 07:45, 21 November 2007 (PST)

I've added the beautifull background image found at http://a.abc.com/media/primetime/lost/missingpieces/images/bkgd.jpg below the logo. Hope you like it. The logo without background is available here: http://a.abc.com/media/primetime/lost/missingpieces/images/logo.png. --Mc peko 06:24, 30 November 2007 (PST)

Hey Peko - Whilst I agree its a really nice background image, I don't know if it belongs on the page as it is now, im going to leave the decision to you though, if you do decide to leave the images as they are please add a blurb beneath describing what the image is (basically saying it is the background image, because outside users wont have a clue what that is otherwise) --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 07:17, 30 November 2007 (PST)

I see your point. Done.--Mc peko 07:22, 30 November 2007 (PST)

I have added also the opening sequence logo. The idea here is to use this as a placeholder for new mobisodes, before we get a screen-shot. It could be removed from the general part of the page, when used as a placeholder below, to avoid duplication.--Mc peko 11:53, 1 December 2007 (PST)

I have added also the ending sequence and some technical information on the format. I could use some help on this. What is the resolution on the Verizon version, aspect ratio, stereo or mono, etc.?--Mc peko 12:47, 1 December 2007 (PST)

I don't get why people keep removing images I've added. I mean, as long as the images are relevant to the article, described, and propperly placed, don't we all want as much Lost as possible? Is it ok, or even possible, to have pictures on talk-pages?--Mc peko 03:40, 29 December 2007 (PST)

Shouldn't the direct download link be available?

http://ll.media.abc.com/video/flv/426x240/LOST_103_HurleyandFrogurt_MissingPieces_HD_1473195.flv --Seba5618 08:54, 22 November 2007 (PST)

I'm not sure what the legal/copyright ramifications of that are. -- Graft   talk   contributions  17:30, 24 November 2007 (PST)
  • I have to agree with Graft. Also, we have link to watch the clip. Anyone who wishes to download can do so on their own. ABC intended for the clips to be viewed via their website, not downloaded, as they would have included an easily accessible link which they did not.-Mr.Leaf 08:27, 5 December 2007 (PST)
There are no legal or copyright ramifications to putting up the link. A web URL cannot be considered private or protected information. If they wanted it to be protected, they would have protected it. I have no comments about the other arguments, but there is no legal issue here. Dharmatel4 10:43, 5 December 2007 (PST)
  • To be honest it actually helps me as the abc site doesn't work for me (god knows why I have a fantastic computer..) Although I would like to remind DharmaTel4 that the tvlinks site was shut down and the owner sent to court and all he did was post URL's. I cant see abc taking action against LP as we enhance their programs viewing, but dont forget tvlinks. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 11:16, 5 December 2007 (PST)
  • Same here, I can't see it on line so the first thing I look is the dl link. However, I have no idea about the legal things.--Seba5618 14:44, 5 December 2007 (PST)
As best I remember, tvlinks got in trouble for identifying/posting/organizing and indexing links to already illegal copies in various places on the internet. They got in trouble because the content people have figured out that the indexing and searching is the legal weak point of a number of illegal distribution schemes. I know of no legal issues with providing a direct link to a flash image on the website of the content provider. I'm not advocating that it needs to be done on LP, but I want to correct any potential misunderstanding of the law. And as a further clarification, calling something a "link for download" crosses the line. Dharmatel4 13:32, 5 December 2007 (PST)

Yeah. This is oft referred to as deep-linking. Deep-linking is not explicity allowed, especially if notet on the site. Nor is it explicity dis-allowed, to my knowledge. If ABC or other parts dislike our deep-linking they will probably let us know before taking legal actions. My personal oppinion: Link to any file on the internet, that is of trailer / mobisode / promo -format unless someone says not to. Linking to, say, torrents of entire seasons, would be crossing the barrier.--Mc peko 23:17, 5 December 2007 (PST)

What to do?

One of the mobisode's direct link was removed, while the others still have it. As I said before, they are usefull because not all of us are able to see it on abc's site. On the legal side, it seems not to be illegal (and therefore legal).

So...what should be done with it?...Personally, and as long as they are not illegal, I think they are a good contribution.--Seba5618 15:41, 6 December 2007 (PST)

Why don't you put the direct link as a comment in the discussion. There are people who object to the direct links in the articles for non-legal reasons, but it might be ok as a comment. Dharmatel4 16:41, 6 December 2007 (PST)

Keep the links. If ABC objects, they will let us know. They probably appreciate all the work we do here, and will, I think, let us know, in a polite and decent manner if they feel something should be removed.--Mc peko 20:31, 7 December 2007 (PST)

Additional links to files

I've reverted the additional links to the .flv files. They are already available for direct download from ABC's site, it certainly isn't necessary to provide additional links to the same files on a file sharing site. -- Graft   talk   contributions  19:59, 2 January 2008 (PST)

Agreed, it is not only redundant but redistributing them would be crossing a line.Seba5618 22:19, 6 January 2008 (PST)

Disagree: As far as I can tell they are not available for download on ABC.com.--Mc peko 04:42, 15 January 2008 (PST)

I didn't word that as clearly as it could've been, and I can see your confusion. We are still linking to the files on abc.com's servers; they haven't been removed, and weren't going to be. The edits I reverted were pointing to files at file sharing sites, and were redundant because we already link to the files on abc.com. -- Graft   talk   contributions  04:56, 15 January 2008 (PST)
I don't think I've seen these links you're talking about here. However think I do agree.--Mc peko 05:06, 15 January 2008 (PST)
They weren't up for very long. Here is one of them. -- Graft   talk   contributions  05:17, 15 January 2008 (PST)

Format

Thanks for expanding on the technical details. You obviously have some innsight here. I'm curious. How do you know what codec was used and so forth? Can anyone provide some technical details on the Verizon versions?--Mc peko 05:00, 2 December 2007 (PST)

With the VLC media player, which I highly recommend (it can play just about anything.) You can look in the "information" window while the video is up, and it tells you various specs. As for the Verizon specs, I added some specs from this page. -- Graft   talk   contributions  17:57, 2 December 2007 (PST)
Ah. Great. I use that player a lot too. Didn't know it could play .flv files. Thanks a lot!--Mc peko 04:07, 3 December 2007 (PST)

Would you like to have the .flv file-sizes added, or is that too much technical information? I'm kind of an information-freak. They are, in chronological order, 8,029, 6,318 and 6,656 KB.--Mc peko 06:02, 2 December 2007 (PST)

I have removed the "format" section from this page. If someone can convince me or provide a good rational as to why it should be included I have no problem putting it back up. The reason I don't think it belongs on this article is the information is irrelevant to the actual series of Lost which is what this wiki is about. People visit this wiki every day to learn about Lost, and they visit this page to learn about the mobisodes and how they relate to Lost. IMO if anyone who is interested in that technical information is likely good enough with computers they can look it up themselves. So basically, I don't see a need for the relatively useless (related to the actual series) information on the article, as this article will likely be quite long by the time all 13 have been released. -Mr.Leaf 08:22, 5 December 2007 (PST)

I don't agree at all. But let's see what other people think. I'm at least putting the Verizon picture back up. I, and I think a lot of other people, find technical information interesting. And as long as we (ofcourse) don't put it out as the first section on the page or expand it to the point of ridicule, I'm pretty sure thousands of people appreciate some format insight. Many people (including those watching Lost) are, or aspire to be, some kind of producer themselves. Most people will certainly not be able to simply read all the specs just like that.--Mc peko 09:11, 5 December 2007 (PST)

To be honest, I don't think you completely understand the visitor spectrum of LP. Our visitors are not die hard lost fans for the most part. A large number of hits on the site come from Google related searches for Lost information, etc. Most of our visitors are casual viewers, who are not members of a Lost forum, a Lost wiki, etc, just watch Lost every week and when they get a question they come here. Currently due to the hiatus this page is not being visited by anyone other then the die hard fans for the most part but come January or February when the casual viewers come and find this page or hear about the mobisodes they are going to come for the information on how they relate to the series and what is in them and not what format they are, their sizes, etc. I also think your quote, "Many people (including those watching Lost) are, or aspire to be, some kind of producer themselves," is not only false but not related to this conversation. Most people do not aspire to become producers at all, most are normal people, with normal jobs, and have no relation or dream whatsoever of becoming a producer, most just like the show Lost. Also, I'm am almost 100% sure that the producers of this show do not know the filesizes of each clip, what exact programs are used to make it, etc. That is not a tv producers job. My main point is, the number of frames per second in no way relates to Lost or the mobisodes and I hate to break it to you but most people will not care about that information. I agree, we should hear more opinions however but until we get a concise decision we should leave it off. -Mr.Leaf 14:00, 5 December 2007 (PST)

Dude. Producers are normal people. Producing is a normal job. Actually, in a wide term at least, one of the most normal jobs on the planet. You, yourself, for instance is a kind of producer by participating in this wiki. As for die hard or casual, I do not really see how that relates to this conversation. I'm a rather new contributor to Lostpedia, and I shall certainly not put information back up when someone doesn't want it to be there. I will however put it here on the talk-page for those interested. Hope that is ok. It will show people what we are talking about. People skip information that don't interest them. I don't think tech specs bother people. Lost is especially known for having a very interacting fan base. Enhancing images, etc. For instance: If you don't care about who's working in the crew, you don't read those pages. These are just my thoughts. I do not know what belongs here and not.

The video on the ABC website is encoded as Flash Video (.flv extension) and compressed with the VP6 video codec. The resolution is 426x240 pixels, which gives an aspect ratio of 16:9, often referred to as wide-screen. The audio is stereo mp3 at 16 bits and 44.1 kHz. The Verizon version is compressed in Windows Media Video 9/Audio 9 at 15 frames per second with a resolution of 176x132, which gives an aspect ratio of 4:3 (normally associated with standard-definition television.) The original production quality is unknown. If Lost: Missing Pieces will be included on future DVD / Blu-Ray releases or other media is also unknown.

--Mc peko 21:43, 5 December 2007 (PST)

Flashback part in mobisodes (???-centric)

In 3 of the first 5 mobisodes, there are two of the main characters included in them, and on some places on Lostpedia it is written as only one character's flashback, and on most places both. I think we should agree on either the first or the second way and have the same information all over Lostpedia. --   Steff    talk    contribs    email   12:15, 3 December 2007 (PST)

  • Both names included in flashback part
    • --   Steff    talk    contribs    email   12:15, 3 December 2007 (PST)
    • -- Dharmatel4 12:54, 3 December 2007 (PST) If there is more than one main character included, I think we have to list both because otherwise it's a subjective choice.
    • As each release is clearly a conversation between two characters, I wote for using both names everywhere.--Mc peko 13:06, 3 December 2007 (PST)
    • I agree completly, except that I don't think we should use the term flashback. As per the article above, there is nothing flashing back from. Some events are pre island, some during, but there is never a change in time in the mobisode (so far), if something is a flash back, it has to have a present to flashback from. --Gluphokquen Gunih 18:58, 3 December 2007 (PST)
    • They are not flashbacks, no. Just use the word centric.--Mc peko 04:43, 4 December 2007 (PST)
    • Fully agree on the centric-part as opposed to flashbacks. Also, if there are two main actors, list them as such. But what about Neil and Christian? Are they centric, or are the gueststars? I think the centric-part should be kept reserved to the main stars (as it is now) --Hunter61 11:30, 5 December 2007 (PST)
    • See your point. Indeed. Maybe convert to 'featuring' for these mobisodes?--Mc peko 21:54, 5 December 2007 (PST)
    • I agree both with having two characters listed, and also not using the term "flashback" for the mobisodes. They are clearly not "flashing back" from anything, the scenes just stand on their own. We could use a variety of other words, like "centricity"/"centric", "featured", or "main characters". -- Graft   talk   contributions  22:32, 5 December 2007 (PST)
  • Only one name in flashback part
    • Your signature here

Credits

I've added credits. I thought this was about time. I've also created pages for those persons involved that did not have pages allready. These pages are stubs, and as so, need more content.--Mc peko 15:51, 3 December 2007 (PST)

I see you moved the background picture to the credits section. Very nice.--Mc peko 04:40, 4 December 2007 (PST)

Very nice with the linked titles. I linked that last story editor credit to editors too. The credits for the "Operation: Sleeper" have a couple of different credits. We must either move credits to respective pages or note differences on the "Missing Pieces" page. I'm looking into it.--Mc peko 05:26, 4 December 2007 (PST)

I added 'except for' notes to the Missing Pieces page. If, or probably when, the credits differ more we might need to move them to respective pages.--Mc peko 21:50, 5 December 2007 (PST)

The credits for Room 23 are the same as those for Operation: Sleeper. I've updated the credits.--Mc peko 08:48, 11 December 2007 (PST)

Nice work with the updated credits. I like it.--Mc peko 03:38, 29 December 2007 (PST)

  • Thanks ;) Maybe we could also add Jack Bender as Director to the 'standard' credits, since I think he directed all of them. Have to look for the source of that info, I think it was in one of the abc.com videos with Eddy & Adam --DJVok 04:08, 29 December 2007 (PST)

Verizon promo

I think we should embed or link to that Verizon mobisodes promo. Verizon seems somewhat under-represented on this page.--Mc peko 06:28, 4 December 2007 (PST)

I've added a screen-shot. It's from YouTube, so there might be a better version somewhere.--Mc peko 06:47, 4 December 2007 (PST)

And a link to the video on YouTube under External links.--Mc peko 06:58, 4 December 2007 (PST)

Companies

Does anyone know what A.C.E., A.S.C. and C.S.C. are? Some kind of companies probably, but with just a three-letter short-form it's kind of hard to figure out. -- Unsigned

  • Nah, I'm pretty sure its their title, much like a doctor has 'Dr.' before their name. --SilvaStorm
  • They are non-union organizations for editors and cinematographers. (A.C.E.)  (A.S.C.) -- Graft   talk   contributions  00:23, 6 December 2007 (PST)
  • I do not think they are titles. Graft is probably right here. I'll add Wikipedia links.--Mc peko 05:55, 6 December 2007 (PST)
  • Great. Thanks. Link added. They're not on Wikipedia, so I used a direct link.--Mc peko 08:40, 11 December 2007 (PST)

"Lost" Picture??

  • Take a look at this picture at abc.com.. according to the address it should be from "webisode107" or "The Watch". It may be just a mistake (since it was the first mobisode released) but there may also be an upcoming mobisode with this scene. --   Steff    talk    contribs    email   10:08, 14 December 2007 (PST)
  • I noticed that a few weeks ago too. Probably a misstake. The mobisode pages are a mess. I looks to be from the last episode in season three.--Mc peko 01:33, 15 December 2007 (PST)

ampersand in title doesn't work :(

I added a page for Mx07 Arzt & Crafts, but apparently MediaWiki doesn't like page titles with ampersands in them, since the automatic page links are cut off at the ampersand, and thus redirect to Arzt. I read on the MediaWiki site that this is a known issue. I added 'real' hyperlink in the page (link), so the newly created page can be reached, but I suggest that an admin figures out how to encode the ampersand correctly. There are modifications available on the MEdiaWiki site for some kind of URL rewrite rules in the MediaWiki config. Or we could just name the page 'Arzt and Crafts' perhaps? --DJVok 03:17, 17 December 2007 (PST)

It will be fine for now; probably today Mr. Leaf will make a template for the mobisode, so it will just be replaced with "{{ep|mx07}}" anyway. -- Graft   talk   contributions  03:39, 17 December 2007 (PST)

more than two people in 'flashback'

Well, mobisode 7 suddenly featured more than 2 people. How to handle that in the 'Flashback' field? All five of them? --DJVok 11:04, 17 December 2007 (PST)

  • Indeed. Yes. All five of them. And let's get rid of the flashback term please.--Mc peko 01:44, 18 December 2007 (PST)
  • Partly Agree:. Because of the title it's an Arzt-centric scene at least. And since he is dead, he can't have a flashback. So I still agree on getting rid of the flashback term. But if we make it penta-centric then we should ad the mobisode to all personal templates. Is that wise? --Hunter61 01:55, 18 December 2007 (PST)
    • But he wasn't dead in the timeline of the scene. Which is why we shouldn't use "flashback" for the mobisodes at all. As far as who to credit this as a scene for, I think we should make it Arzt=centric in the mobisode templates, but add this mobisode to all 5 character's templates. --Gluphokquen Gunih 02:23, 18 December 2007 (PST)

Titles

I've added comments about titles under trivia. Feel free to move or expand.--Mc peko 02:35, 18 December 2007 (PST)

  • Great idea, but do we really need it for all the mobisodes? I mean stating that "Room 23" is named after a room numbered 23 just seems silly. I think most of the mobisode titles are pretty self explanitory and unless further elaboration is needed we don't need to explain them much more. --Gluphokquen Gunih 03:04, 18 December 2007 (PST)
I agree, they mostly seem too obvious and not significant. I don't mind the ones for "Arzt & Crafts" and "King of the Castle", though. They offer some additional insight not directly covered in the mobisodes, and actually might be better suited for a "Cultural references" categorization. -- Graft   talk   contributions  03:50, 18 December 2007 (PST)
  • I see your point. I have a tendency to go for uniform and completeness every time I do something. I do not agree that stating that "Room 23" is named after a room numbered 23 seems silly, at all. I think the title of an episode or mobisode or whatever is significant and of major importance.--Mc peko 05:55, 18 December 2007 (PST)
  • I agree that the titles are important, but isn't having to say that "Room 23" is named after a room numbered 23, just implying that the readers of Lostpedia can't figure that out for their own? I really think title trivia only belongs where something is to be gained from it, not just to make every page uniform. --Gluphokquen Gunih 14:34, 26 December 2007 (PST)
  • You make a good point. We have now expanded that notice to 'The title simply refers to the room numbered 23, at the Others' place, that is used for brain-washing. Its function is questioned.'--Mc peko 04:21, 27 December 2007 (PST)
  • The definition of trivia is "matters or things that are very unimportant, inconsequential, or nonessential; trifles; trivialities." Now, while I agree some mobisodes need trivia sections about title not all do. As we have done with all the episodes from the first 3 seasons the trivia sections do not need to be uniform, in fact each episode should in itself be evaluated on knowledge and then what should be added to the trivia section. Because of this a trivia section about the title should only be added when the reason for the title is unclear, the title refers to an external reference source other than Lost (therefore which is not covered in the article), or the for other good reasoning. Stating "The Watch" is called "The Watch" because their is a watch involved in it. Most Lost viewers should be able to make that assumption by themselves. Cluttering up trivia sections is the last thing we want to do. Adding relevant but not meaningless trivia is the goal. Something that you can read and say "I didn't know that". It should be an add on to the main content of the article. As with Hurley and Forgurt we don't need to be told it is about Hurley and Frogurt, we know what. Also, fan references are uneeded on episode pages. Saying "because the fans" is non encyclopedic and does not relate to the mobisode. Trivia such as that about the title of King of the Castle is fine as it provides deeper inset and clarification for those reading the article unfamiliar with chess. I hope this clears this up. We don't need to add every last detail to an article, that is not the point, we need to add the important parts and things that the reader will benefit from reading (and add them once). -Mr.Leaf 10:38, 29 December 2007 (PST)

Template

The 'Lost: Missing Pieces (Main Character(s) in Parentheses)' template doesn't look very good at the moment.--Mc peko 02:38, 16 January 2008 (PST)

I just looked at your template you made for mobisodes. I agree with it except you should tweak it so it blends in with the lostpedia style. --JPB. T. C. E. 22:09, 25 August 2008 (PDT)

Making of

The Lost Magazine is doing a 'making of' articles series on the mobisodes. I've added a mention of this on Lost: Missing Pieces and added a link to the first one under 'External links' for The Watch. I'd like to add the picture too. Here is the first preview: http://a.abc.com/media/primetime/lost/images/season/4/episodes/magazine15/gallery/04.jpg. Does anyone know how many of the mobisodes have been covered in Lost Magazine? Do the articles provide information that could be added to the Missing Pieces articles? I'd like your opinions on how to include this. It seems like a great thing for keeping the Missing Pieces pages "alive".--Mc peko 01:51, 13 February 2008 (PST)

The first four mobisodes is covered in isssue 15.--Mc peko 04:46, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

I added the note 'There is a making of article about this mobisode in issue 15 of Lost: The Official Magazine.' under Production notes in the articles of these first four mobisodes.--Mc peko 04:59, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

"Mobisodes"

Just in case: The reason you will not see anyone refer to those things as "mobisodes" in an official capacity is because Twentieth Century Fox hold the trademark for the term "Mobisodes".--Nevermore 15:53, 29 March 2008 (PDT)

Interesting; thanks. Must be because of the 24 mobisodes, which I believe were the first ones. -- Graft   talk   contributions  15:58, 29 March 2008 (PDT)

Barry Jossen

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0430904

Could this be him?

Why is he mentioned on the emmys.tv site and not anywhere else?

--Mc peko 10:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

 ???

I think we should place the mobisode appearances of characters on the said characters page, just like the centric episodes are placed. Thoughts? --Joshtopher27 03:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

YouTube links

Now that the Mobisodes are apparently unavailable at ABC.com, is it appropriate to link to YouTube locations? Benkarnell 06:17, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Placing the Pieces in context

I came to this page because I am getting a new fan into the series (for the 4th time, heh) and was wondering if I could expose them to (some of) the Missing Pieces prior to the end of Season 3 without spoiling them. Specifically, we're reaching the end of Season 1 and I thought there would be a couple that would be enriching to show them now rather than wait until S3. (The Watch, for example?) Ditto for when we finish S2.

I guess what I'm basically proposing is one/more of the following:

- an explicit subsection on this page placing all the Missing Pieces in context of event chronology
- an explicit subsection on this page placing all the Missing Pieces in context of episode chronology (ideal, though this may be more subjective)
- A more explicit indication on the Missing Piece individual pages about when they could logically be consumed during first-time consumption of the series.

I do see that the individual Missing Pieces pages have a "Days" blurb indicating when they take place chronologically, though this is not directly helpful for my question.

Alternatively, thinking about it more I wonder if the real answer here is that one simply cannot watch any Missing Pieces prior to Season 3 and expect to get the same enrichment.

For example: The Watch. While technically one could watch it after S1 Finale (Really, after "Do No Harm") and not be spoiled, they would not get the additional enjoyment from knowing of Jack and Sarah's subsequent divorce, which makes his and Christian's conversation over the watch that much more poignant.

Thoughts? --Flashesb4ur8s (talk) 21:30, March 11, 2016 (UTC)

Whenever I've done full rewatches in the past, I've literally slotted them into place with where they fit chronologically but if I'm honest, for a first time watcher some of them are better left until later on. Clips like "So It Begins" would be placed before the first episode even starts, but you get no context then. You have no idea who the guy is, why him being there is important or why the dog is there. It would take something away from the opening moments where Vincent emerges unexpectedly, if you watch it beforehand. Other clips like "King of the Castle" for example, were intriguing because we knew for a fact that Ben was right about the Island not letting people leave. Then there's also "Tropical Depression" where Arzt admits he was wrong about the monsoon, but he admits it before the raft sets out. For me it would take away some of the urgency of the raft launch, which lessens the tension when watching the finale. It's much better when you watch it later on and realize "ah ha, so that's why nothing came of his warning". So in my opinion I would just let your friend enjoy the episodes and then between Seasons 3 & 4 just show them the extra clips to give new insight to certain scenes.--Baker1000 (talk) 01:07, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
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