47 minutes[]
I think its worth noting that again the computer terminal was ready for input with 47 minutes remaining on the clock and not 4 minutes as stated by Dr Candle. --MRNasher
- I agree this is noteworthy , even though no one has mentioned it in the theories. It seems to me that the prompt probably comes up in anticipation of the lockdown. I suspect if the code was punched in and execute pressed, that the counter would reset. If this is true, it addresses the question of why they would lock down in a room outside the computer station. If you can set the timer to 108 before the doors drop, then the situation Locke encountered - being on the wrong side when the button needs to be pushed - is a moot point, assuming the lockdown procedure is less than 108 minutes (which seems reasonable). --absalom
- Perhaps one of the other 5 films (Orientation is 3 of 6) is entitled Lockdown. LOSTonthisdarnisland 01:15, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
- Something else to take into account is that most likely those speaker systems worked a lot better at one time. They broadcast at least a twenty minute warning, giving the people in the hatch plenty of time to get themselves into the room with the button. Levid37 08:03, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
Can you tell me where you saw this 47 minutes, rather than the 4? t.
"Please repeat ****al"[]
I'm confused. What does this phrase mean, in particular, ****al. I accidentally missed the beginning of "Lockdown", and saw this phrase hear on the page. What does it mean?</n00b> --Aero Zeppelin 21:46, 29 May 2006 (PDT)
"If Henry Gale had not entered the numbers as he said - then why no System failure?"[]
I've thought a lot about why the numbers reset and no System Failure occurred during the Lockdown incident. I've watched this episode a couple of times and heres my thoughts.
- The Lockdown incident locked everyone out of the Dome area where the computer is (with 47 minutes on the clock left to go)
- Since this was the intended behaviour of the system (i.e. lock the hatch residents in the living area), then the question arises of what happens when the Button needs to be pushed?
- I think that the system has a fail-safe mode built into it for such occasion - such that during a Lockdown, it will count to zero, then when (or before) the system failure starts, the Lockdown mode causes the computer to automatically "enter the numbers" itself and reset the counter back to 108.
If this is so, this "feature" of the hatch would mean that Henry Gale never actually entered the numbers at all - as he said - so he is telling the truth here (for once).
- It seems improbable for Henry Gale to have climbed into the air-duct, across into the dome, dropped down into the Dome, entered the numbers to cancel the imminent system failure, then hopped back up into the same air duct in the Dome, and climbed back across the air-duct (presumably) into the pantry - where he climbed into the ducts, and hence back to the living area. And all within 2 minutes maximum.
- Note: Henry Gale is not in the Dome when Locke drags himself into it after the counter reset - Henry Gale arrives from the living area almost exactly 1 minute after the counter was reset, as the episode shows the counter changing from 108 to 107 as Locke looks at it and then Henry Gale appears from the Living area - not from the Dome area.
Admittedly, maybe Henry Gale was in the Dome when the numbers reset - then exited via the other entrance to the dome (the one from the long corridor - perhaps trying to find the exit to the hatch before the Lockdown ended), and came back around via the living area, entering from the door to the Dome that Locke dragged himself through - but it seems unlikely given the timings involved.
Also note Henry Gale looks quite dazed in this scene - like he was still recovering from the fall when he knocked himself out in the pantry.
If a System Failure can be "prevented" like this when the system is in Lockdown mode, then Calvin (and/or his former partner Radzinsky) would know this, and could have triggered lockdowns - effectively putting the hatch on automatic - while they went out exploring the island for extended periods of time (more than the 108 minutes normally available).
I am not 100% sure if the Lockdown ends when the timer resets - the two events in the episode were simultaneous - counter reset, Lockdown ended - so it may be a co-incidence, or the (automatic) timer reset may well cancel the Lockdown mode.
If Counter reset does reset the Lockdown mode - then it would be possible to put the system in Lockdown mode as soon as the timer was reset to 108, and then leave the hatch for 108+108 = 216 minutes, knowing that the first countdown to zero would reset the counter and end the Lockdown, then the second countdown to zero would need to have the numbers entered to avoid system failure.
This feature of the system would also be compatible with the blast door map comment that some parts of the island are "not compatible with 108" - meaning a maximum of 108 minutes journey time "each way", and not just out of the hatch for "108 minutes in total".
Number 6 05:20, 24 June 2006 (PDT)
Henry Gale did enter the numbers though. Everything metal would have started to fly to the magnet thing if he didn't. In the Finale we see how Desmond and Kelvin can hot-wire the doors to go down, hot-wiring isn't good for the doors they probably just short circuited at a very bad time. There is a fail-safe but not like what you were taking about. It is in the crawl space under the Swan you put a key in a hole and twist. The timer dosn't reset or the timer wouldn't have broke when it reached the far past zero.--CaptainInsano
Evidence for Henry Gale entering the numbers please[]
I don't see any evidence to back your claim that Henry Gale did enter the numbers.
Sure a System Failure is a "one time only" event - you can't hide it when it happens or hide the aftermath (messed up hatch area) without a complete refit of the hatch.
However, I'm not saying that the Lockdown timer countdown to zero ever got that far.
We know from earlier episodes and the final episode that once the hieroglyphics show, you can still enter the numbers to "reset" the timer - even though the entire place is shaking like a leaf in a storm.
So, if the Lockdown system was programmed/designed to reset the timer during lockdown periods whenever the timer got to the "pre-system Failure" stage - before the system failure proper was triggered, then this would explain how come Henry Gale didn't (have to) enter the numbers and yet no system failure occurred because of this.
It would seem odd if the system had never had this exact train of events happen before - i.e. in Lockdown mode with timer reaching zero during the lockdown.
And its hard to believe that the only time this set of events co-incided in the 3+ years that Calvin, Desmond and the others were pushing the button was the Lockdown episode.
Also, I don't believe the "designers" of the hatch would overlook such a fairly obvious cause of potential system failures - Locking out the button pushers during a Lockdown without a "backup" mechanism to ensure the button could be pushed would have caused more than 1 system failure before now.
- You are forgetting that the "designers" gave the button pushers 20-odd minutes of audio announcements to "please proceed..." presumably to the dome so that they were in the right place at the right time. Locke was in the wrong place as he couldn't hear what was being said.--Cane 11:12, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
We can see from the Live Together, Die Alone episode that a full scale system failure had not happened during Calvins, Desmonds, or Lockes "watches" before then.
Number 6 16:23, 24 June 2006 (PDT)
It is possible that Henry had been at the swan prior and knows a thing or two about it. He could have possibly entered a different code during the beeps that caused the black lights to turn on. I also think it is possible that during a lockdown their may in fact be an "Automatic Reset", but if that is true, why not just do that. The reason they make people push the button might have something to do with the pearl. Maybe it's to convince the Pearl people that the Swan people actually are undergoing a psychological experiment. And if this autmatic reset were true, why couldn't Inman and Desmond do that so they could see what they were doing when they were drawing the map.DrodJenkins 12:47, 30 June 2007 (PDT)
Lockdown/supply drops[]
Deleted this: "Although in Live Together, Die Alone, we learn that Desmond, Kelvin and Radzinsky had performed many lockdowns in order to complete the blast door map. Therefore that would be drops are performed on a regular basis." This isn't true. Kelvin and company were merely faking lockdowns by crossing some wires. For this reason, there wouldn't be food drops every time they did this, only drops at the "real" lockdowns. --Minderbinder 06:42, 29 September 2006 (PDT)
- The conclusion that there is a definite link between lockdowns and a supply drop is an assumption. I had presumed Ben triggered the supply drop via the computer, just as Locke triggered the destruction of the Flame. - Inspirator 14:30, 9 January 2008 (PST)
- While Ben triggering the supply drop is something I hadn't considered, I thought that it was fairly certain that the lockdown and the PRD were connected. If Ben did trigger the PRD, how did he do this? It was accomplished by Locke through the chess game and an interface. We have seen no interface in the Swan computer. One would think that Desmond/Kelvin/Radzinsky would have figured it out by now. -- WanderingMathematician talk contribs email 17:53, 9 January 2008 (PST)
- The two possibilities are that the lockdown was triggered by the Others from the outside or by someone working for the others at the Swan. We know that the Others had at minimum the ability to observe the Swan from the Pearl. We also know that they could use something else in the computer system to send messages to the Swan (see the second message that lured michael into the trap). What the lockdown did was enable Ben to have unsupervised access to the computer and other equipment at the swan probably to communicate back to the Others. We still don't know what Ben's overall plan was when he was taken captive and what parts of that plan were going right and/or wrong. Dharmatel4 19:37, 9 January 2008 (PST)
Spoiler or Fake[]
If you are a lost fan, than you probably have heard of ThEmIsFiTiShErE and his blog. In a Recent Post, he posted a image of a manual for the hatch.
It may be fake, like many things themisfit posts, or it may be a spoiler. just thought i should inform all of u guys. Pretty interesting stuff. --ZEKE?(>
Rename[]
This article should be renamed to The lockdown incident. Princess Dharma (banned)
- Articles only start with a "the" if they are a proper noun. Jabberwock talk contribs email - 15:08, 7 March 2007 (PST)
New Lockdown/Food Drop[]
According to Timeline:November_2004, the lockdown/fooddrop happened on day 61, and as shown above (fake or not), they are every three months. this means sometime in the middle of season 4 (day 150ish) there should be another food drop.