This seems to be assuming that the list Ms. Klugh gave Michael was the same list Ethan was making, i.e. a middle-section version of the list Ana-Lucia found. We don't know that this is the case, do we? --Piscez 11:00, 22 May 2006 (PDT)
I vote to merge the two articles. Title it Lists and have a section for the mid secetion list given to Michael. Anyone searching for information about a particular list or just ones in general will want to know all the information about Lists the Others make about the Losties.--Jules 11:52, 26 May 2006 (PDT)
Jacob's List => Ethan's List: But if Ethan made a list at all, how could it lack the name of Jack, clearly the leader of the survivors? --Solaris 01:45, 12 November 2006 (PST)
- concur kaini. 19:39, 1 June 2006 (PDT)
- I second that --Drabauer 11:13, 4 June 2006 (PDT)drabauer
- Merge--Nigedo 09:30, 6 July 2006 (PDT)
- Agreed. Please merge-- Mescad 05:51, 10 July 2006 (PDT)
- Merge--Señor Eko 08:29, 1 August 2006 (PDT)
Now Fix the theories part, We have no clue that Bea Klugh's list is the same as Jacobs list, but all the theories refer to no sepcific list - Tstrel
Done it before.
From the way we see Ben order Goodwin and Ethan to make "lists in 3 days" without any further explanation we can infer that they know this as a proceadure and easily imagine that its something they have done before; at worst its something they are well prepared for. --MRNasher
This article claims that it is unknown as to whether or not Ethan ever made a list during his time with the survivors of Flight 815. However, I think that it is quite clear that he did not make one. This is strongly supported by the exchanged between Ethan and Tom in "Maternity Leave" where Tom says to Ethan, "What the hell happened? You were supposed to make the list and then bring her in. Was I unclear?" Since Ethan never really returned to the camp after this, I think that it's safe to assume that he never did make a list. Anyone agree wih me on this? --Nahald 0:07 25 October 2006 (PDT)
- Good catch, but I'm not convinced it's conclusive. Isn't it possible that he did make the list, but he's being yelled at for not bringing her in sooner? --Minderbinder 14:51, 25 October 2006 (PDT)
- No I don't think so, because the excuse that he gives Tom is, "It's not my fault. They knew I wasn't on the plane. They had a manifest." This implies that the reason why Ethan was being yelled at was because he came back before he could finish he was able to make a list, and not because he didn't bring Claire back immediately after he made the list. Although I still do find it odd that he was supposed to make a list within three days and he was there for sixteen days and still hadn't made one. --Nahald 14:27 26 October 2006 (PDT)
- The odd thing about this for me, after season 3, is that Tom was not the one to tell Ethan to make a list, Ben was. Congested 00:31, 18 October 2007 (PDT)
- That's because they were trying to fool the viewers into believing Tom was the leader of the Others. We thought he was in charge for ages until the Season 2 finale (or earlier in Season 2 when "Henry Gale" told them that the one in the beard was not the leader).
Bea Klugh's List
I have a suggestion about Kate and Sawyers function on the list: reproducing. All clues points to this:
Kate is dressed up. Sawyer begins to stare at her early. She is broken down, and so is Sawyer, and they force her to acknowledge her feelings for him by torturing him. He kisses her when he knows he will get beaten up or worse and cannot explain it. And what´s with the pacemaker surgery? What did they really inject and isn´t it a bit odd that Sawyers heart rate speeded up that much when he looked at her in that situation? And what about those fish crackers? Are they maybe prepared with some aphrodesiac?
How come no one interfered when Kate got to him and the cage was opened? After all, they´re monitored. After the act Sawyer is dispensible. So I think Pickett was allowed to kill him and would have.
- I think its more likely that they took Kate to pressure or reward Jack. Plus she would have chased after Jack had they taken him. And they took Sawyer because they knew he would chase after her if they took her.
- As for the rest, I would avoid making any conclusions about Sawyer. Pickett decided himself to kill Sawyer and with Ben in surgery, there wasn't probably anyone with the authority to stop him. Sawyer could still turn out to be on the list. Dharmatel4 15:38, 15 March 2007 (PDT)
Hurley on Bea's List
Should speculation go on the main discussion page or the theories discussion page? Anyway, it seems fairly clear that Jack was chosen to do the surgery. Kate seems to have been chosen to keep Jack in line, although there is her 'missing after breakfast' time still to account for. Sawyer may have been there to keep Kate in line, although the whole rabbit ruse was a bit elaborate for that.
Obstensively Hurley was chosen to relay the message to the other Losties. But why Hurley in particular? I think rather than having an in-show explanation (unless they fanwank it later) it was just a plot convenience for the writers for two reasons:
- Although they already had "James Ford", also having "Hugo Reyes" may have been a way of amplifying the message to the audience that the Others know the Losties real names, and all that may imply.
- It made it easier for Michael to get exactly the people on the list by claiming he only wanted the people in the room who already knew to go on the mission. And it gave the writers someone Michael would have to convince to go, without it seeming too obvious.
--Jackdavinci 06:13, 13 December 2006 (PST)
At this point, it may be worth starting to try to track who has been confirmed as on or off the list. Third season episodes seem to have clearly said that Jack, Locke, Kate and Sayid were not on the list. Ethan's treatment of Charlie and Claire suggests neither was on the list or in any list he would have made. Ben's comments about Goodwin suggest that he was trying to convince others that Anna Lucia should be on the list. Mr. Eko would also have seemed to have been on the list. The incident with Sun on the boat suggests (but does not prove) that she may have been on the list up to the point where she shot the woman.
Has anybody ever gotten a glimpse of what Ben's handwriting looks like? Does it match the list writing, or do we have an unknown list maker? --ConspiracyofDetails 06:15, 15 May 2007 (PDT)
Do we know that he was on Ben's list? There's good reason to think he could be, but couldn't Sayid have shot him for other reasons? Sayid obviously knew who he was, but how do we know Ben told Sayid to kill Avellino? Lindsaynickel 18:44, 7 March 2008 (PST)
the ankh "list"
i don't think it has ever been mentioned specifically definitively that the Oceanic survivors present at the time Dogan read the list were on it. in fact, it never actually stated that it was a list at all. it may be heavily implied but it has never been confirmed. am i incorrect in this? because we don't want to state something as fact if we're not 100% sure and only have a pretty good idea of something. i believe this information should be deleted from the article until confirmation is revealed as to what was actually on the piece of paper. Gingle87 20:32, February 11, 2010 (UTC)gingle87
- Agreed, we don't know that the slip of paper contained a list. It's just the running theory right now. That part should be removed from the article until it's confirmed. --Celebok 21:04, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
- Ok. I have removed the item in discussion from the main article and moved it into the theory article. Gingle87 22:46, February 11, 2010 (UTC)gingle87
Roof list in Jacob's cavern.
Would this be specified as a list? Maybe if we can put it somewhere we could get some theories down. Brown pillow 04:45, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
- I was just thinking that it probably qualifies as Jacob's List, although I'm not sure there's enough evidence to make that claim. PKT 13:11, February 17, 2010 (UTC)