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"Section"

Alright so I dunno how we want to do the whole "Section" thing since the plane didn't break up (I just copied the format from the 815 survivors list) so that's why there are red links for "Middle" and "Front".--Mistertrouble189 02:38, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Section info is still worthwhile, but we don't need links for the words. --Hugo815 02:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Good point. I went ahead and did that.--Mistertrouble189 02:57, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Maybe it should go in the summary/description part of the table, instead of its own column, because it's not as big of a deal as with Flight 815. --Crash815 Talk 02:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Co-pilot

Should the co-pilot be added here, I added him once but he was removed because he wasn't a survivor as the page is titled. Have a rename or something, but maybe add the co-pilot here.--Mistertrouble189 16:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

  • It shouldn't have been removed. The list of Oceanic Flight 815 lists Seth Norris and all other passengers who passed away. The fact that Flight 316 co-pilot didn't survive the initial crash is pointless, IMHO. We're not even sure about that.--Iimitk 16:54, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
  • He should be on this list. The plane did land on the island meaning he was on the island alive, but only lasted a few seconds. --Ryan76el 16:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Yeah, should keep. It doesn't hurt.--Mistertrouble189 00:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Caesar (5x12)

Are we sure that Caesar is dead? We've had people get shot from pretty close that survived (i.e. Locke ("The Man Behind the Curtain"), young Ben ("He's Our You")) He should go under unknown until we find out one way or the other. I'm convinced that the writers would add him, make him the apparent leader of the Flight 316 survivors, and then kill after only 4 episodes. --Crash815 Talk 00:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

  • To me, he's either dead or unknown. I'm fine with unknown until we get confirmation that Caesar is dead. Same thing went for Jin. So many people were convinced he was dead but I stood my ground and proved them all wrong haha. And this is LOST/the Island, anything can happen and Caesar could be wearing a bullet-proof vest or miraculously survived the shotgun blast. Annnnnyway, move to unknown/keep under deceased, either way works.--Mistertrouble189 01:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Yah, that's what I was trying to get at was that we should put Caesar as unknown, because there have been so many times when people should have been dead, but they're not (Another example, two time we thought Mikhail was dead ("Par Avion")  ("Through the Looking Glass, Part 1")) --Crash815 Talk 01:22, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
      • I think if he was alive, we would have seen him by now. I'm all for miraculous recovery after seeming death, but the guy was shot in the chest with a shotgun at point blank range and hasn't appeared since. This isn't like Jin being on the freighter and then not being on the freighter, we actually witnessed Ben shoot him. I vote we change him to dead. It makes more sense.Illyrias Acolyte 17:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I think we can consider him dead by now. --Metalpotato - Talk - Contributions - 18:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Yah, as much as I'd like to think he was more important than a redshirt, it definitely seems that way. --Crash815 Talk 18:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Backgrounders

Should the nameless survivors go on here? They've all appeared on the beach in recent episodes and there's no set/confirmed number of survivors so there's no issue with number of backgrounders exceeding the official number like there was with Flight 815. --Mistertrouble189 05:40, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Prominent?

Why are Caesar, Ilana, Frank, and Bram listed as 'prominent' survivors of the crash? Shouldn't they be listed as semi-prominent, like Rose and Bernard are? Illyrias Acolyte 23:04, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Just because they aren't main cast members doesn't mean they aren't prominent. It has to do with how active they are with the camp and stuff that like. They've all contributed a great deal to the camp, similar to the way Ana Lucia, Jack, Sawyer, etc contributed to the Flight 815 survivors. --Crash815 Talk 02:43, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Ben's faction

The Hydra? I'd consider "Ben" as his faction. Talking seriously: Oceanic 6? --Metalpotato - Talk - Contributions - 17:14, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Locke

More than once, since the finale, Locke had been added to the list of survivors. I've removed him both times. Is there anyone who can give a good reason why Locke, who was dead before and after the crashlanding, should be listed as a survivor? --Crash815 Talk 01:44, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

  • The copilot didnt survive the crash he was killed on impact so if hes on here then locke should be as well if hes not then locke should not be included. The title Ajira Survivors would mean both locke and co pilot should not be included but the question is do we literally mean survivors. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  19:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
    • I think what we could do is maybe add a subsection to this page for other associated characters with the flight. Locke and the Co-Pilot could go there. --Crash815 Talk 20:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
      • I say keep him. No harm keeping him on thier. --Ryan76el 20:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
    • The people that was in 815 already dead (Christian) or that died in the crash is not in the survivors' list... If you want to add people that didn't survive, then rename the page to "passengers", "on board", or whatever. Then you can put subsections, or do it as you like, but page is restricted to survivors, according to the title... And you should add that --Metalpotato - Talk - Contributions - 21:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Locke didn't survive anything! He was already dead before boarding Flight 316 and he is dead after it crashed on the Island. There's no place for him the list of survivors whatsoever. The co-pilot is there because he was alive before boarding the plane (obviosuly) and there's a good chance he didn't die immediately after the crash. There's a previous discussion about including him in this same page, check it out above. — Iimitk  T  C  22:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Do you not know what killed on impact means, it means he died on impact, the impact is the crash thus the pilot is not a survivor of the crash. Even if you think he did survive a few seconds after the crash thats speculation on this site we go by what we know and all we know is the co pilot was killed in the crash. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  04:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    • Locke is undoubtedly not a survivor of Flight 316, because he did not survive. The discussion should be regarding the co-pilot. I have temporarily protected the page to avoid edit wars. After the page is unprotected, if the wars continue, further action will be taken. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  17:48, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Major change (title and sections)

Alright, we solved that situation nicely, keep only the people who where alive before and after the plane crashed. Now, in flight 815 there is a page dedicated to the people that died in the impact, and there was no reference to people already dead in the plane (Christian). How do we do it in this flight? There is only have one confirmed dead (the co-pilot), and we have another coffin travelling in the cargo area (Locke's). Just to close the conversation, ¿some criteria? We can change this page's title so it can contain all the "bodies" in the plane (including those who died in the impact and where already dead on board), create a page for them, forget about them... --Metalpotato - Talk - Contributions - 01:34, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting support we can change it to List of Ajira 316 Passengers and we could consider locke a passenger. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  22:05, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
    • I'm still not sure we could call Locke a passenger, because I'd think a passenger would have to be alive, but if it would end this dispute then i'd go for it. --Crash815 Talk 23:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
      • Yeah but i think if we called it Ajira 316 bodies it would sound bad so i suggested passengers and we can sort of generalize. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  03:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

We have two "factions": One says that Locke and the co-pilot are not survivors, so, with this title, they are not supposed to be here. The other says that they should be somewhere. I Agree with both and, since we are not going to create a "people that was on the plane but now is dead, whatever his status was on board" list; I'm proposing this:

- Rename the page to "List of people on board Ajira 316" or something similar wide enough for Locke, the co-pilot and all the survivors of the crash.
- Change the "section" column for "on board status", so the "status" column details what happened to them after the crash, and the "on board status", tells us if they where dead in a coffin, alive in the cockpit, piloting the plane, working as flight attendant, sitting handcuffed...

Edit: Something like this.

Picture Name On board Status Faction Roles and Relationships
Jack-mini
Jack Shephard Front Prominent, Alive; shifted to 1977 on the main Island and joined the DHARMA Initiative. Helped detonate Jughead's core in the Swan. Oceanic 6, LaFleur's group Doctor and surgeon; island physician; half-brother of Claire.
Kate-mini
Kate Austen Front Prominent, Alive; shifted to 1977 on the main Island and joined the DHARMA Initiative. Helped detonate Jughead's core in the Swan. Oceanic 6, LaFleur's group Tracker.
Hurley-mini
Hugo "Hurley" Reyes Front, with his guitar case, near Caesar Prominent, Alive; shifted to 1977 on the main Island and joined the DHARMA Initiative. Helped detonate Jughead's core in the Swan. Oceanic 6, LaFleur's group Recreational facilitator.
Sayid-mini
Sayid Jarrah Front, handcuffed by Ilana Prominent, Alive. Boarded the plane in handcuffs with Ilana; shifted to 1977 on the main Island and was found and captured in the jungle outside the barracks by the DHARMA Initiative. Escaped and tried to kill young Ben and helped detonate Jughead's core in the Swan after being shot by Roger Linus for trying to kill his son. Oceanic 6, LaFleur's group Man of many talents.
Ilana-mini
Ilana Front, taking Sayid to Guam Prominent, Alive. Took over camp along with Bram and 2 other survivors and took [[John Locke]'s dead body to Richard and the Others. Flight 316 Survivor Camp, Ilana's group Jacob's ally; Sayid's escort. Took Locke's corpse for the others to know about Jacob's enemy. Currently in the beach next to the statue.
Bram-mini
Bram Middle Prominent, Alive. Took over camp along with Ilana and 2 other survivors and took [[John Locke]'s dead body to Richard and the Others. Took Locke's corpse for the others to know about Jacob's enemy. Currently in the beach next to the statue. Flight 316 Survivor Camp, Ilana's group Jacob's ally
Ben-mini
Benjamin Linus Front Prominent, Alive. Under the statue. Flight 316 Survivor Camp, Sun's Group Ex-leader of the Others.
Sun-mini
Sun-Hwa Kwon Front Prominent, Alive. Next to the statue. Oceanic 6, Sun's Group Wife of Jin-Soo Kwon; mother of Ji-Yeon Kwon
SoberFrankMini
Frank Lapidus Cockpit, piloting Prominent, Alive; currently on the beach next to the statue. Ajira Airways, Sun's Group Pilot on Ajira Airways Flight 316.
Caesar-mini
Caesar Front, near Hurley Semi-Prominent, Presumed deceased. Shot by Ben with a shotgun at point blank range in "Dead Is Dead". Flight 316 Survivor Camp, Ilana's group?? Passenger.
Locke-mini
Locke Cargo area, in a coffin Prominent, Deceased. Strangled by Ben and taken to the plane in a coffin. None Corpse.
Male-mini
Co-pilot (Namaste) Cockpit,piloting Minor, Deceased. Died in impact when a branch entered his chest trough the front window of the plane. Ajira Airways Co-pìlot on Ajira Airways Flight 316.

Like it? Sun's group is something I'm working in ^^ --Metalpotato - Talk - Contributions - 21:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Photos

Can somebody replace the photos of Ilana's group members 1-3 to match the size and shape of everyone else? It looks bad. I'm no good with that kind of thing otherwise I would do it myself. Mhtmghnd 04:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Rupa

If Rupa is presumed deceased in the crash, then why is she on the list of survivors? --LOST-Hunter61 10:30, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

All dead?

I do hate to keep being the one who asks why we constantly state unconfirmed deaths as being confirmed, but... Is there any basis to state that "All the remaining passengers at the beach camp were killed"? Why are we stating as fact that there were no survivors, when we actually have no idea? Aridd 20:53, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

  • It is most likely as there were none seen on the beach, many of those who were on the beach were seen dead in the pile, including a whole bunch of others who were never seen before (probably doesn't matter to producers, they just threw in a bunch of extras to make pile look huge)--Mistertrouble189 20:56, March 18, 2010 (UTC)
True. But we have no way of knowing how many people survived. After all, Bernard and Rose simply wandered off and stayed by themselves; it's likely, or at least possible, that others did the same. Lostpedia articles keep stating as fact that all the other survivors are dead, but it's not something that we actually know. It's an unsupported assumption. Aridd 12:55, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
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