Talk: Left Behind

Confirmed?[]

Is the title of this episode confirmed yet? I haven't seen/heard it anywhere. --Isolation815

See the link on the article page for confirmation. :) -- Lost Soul talk contribs 23:26, 9 March 2007 (PST)

Press Release[]

This was released on ABC Medianet but has been taken down:

LOST - "Left Behind" - After discovering that one of her own has betrayed her to "The Others," Kate is left to fend for herself in the jungle with Juliet. Meanwhile, Hurley warns Sawyer to change his selfish ways and make amends with his fellow survivors or he may face a vote of banishment, on "Lost," WEDNESDAY, APRIL 4 (10:00-11:00 p.m., ET), on the ABC Television Network. (ABC/MARIO PEREZ) EMILIE DE RAVIN

Actually, it's still there, it's just not a press release, it's a caption on one of the photographs. Here's the link. Mario Perez is listed there because he took the photograph, and Emilie De Ravin is listed because she is in the picture. Triptolemus 15:19, 15 March 2007 (PDT)

Images have been released featuring Sawyer but from the release it is pointing to Juliet/Kate. :] -- Smudger61

This is from the 3/19 press bundle.

PDF: http://www.abcmedianet.com/DNR/2007/pdf/DNR031907.pdf

WORD: http://www.abcmedianet.com/DNR/2007/doc/DNR031907.doc

KATE IS FORCED TO FEND FOR HERSELF IN THE JUNGLE WITH JULIET, AND HURLEY WARNS SAWYER THAT HE FACES BANISHMENT IF HE DOESN’T CHANGE HIS SELFISH WAYS, ON ABC’S “LOST”

“Left Behind” – After discovering that one of her own has betrayed her to “The Others,” Kate is left to fend for herself in the jungle with Juliet. Meanwhile, Hurley warns Sawyer to change his selfish ways and make amends with his fellow survivors or he may face a vote of banishment, on “Lost,” WEDNESDAY, APRIL 4 (10:00-11:00 p.m., ET), on the ABC Television Network.

“Lost” stars Naveen Andrews as Sayid, Henry Ian Cusick as Desmond, Emilie de Ravin as Claire, Michael Emerson as Ben, Matthew Fox as Jack, Jorge Garcia as Hurley, Josh Holloway as Sawyer, Daniel Dae Kim as Jin, Yunjin Kim as Sun, Evangeline Lilly as Kate, Elizabeth Mitchell as Juliet, Dominic Monaghan as Charlie and Terry O’Quinn as Locke.

Guest starring are Kim Dickens as Cassidy, Beth Broderick as Diane, Fredric Lane as the Marshall, Andrew Meader as Johnny, Bill Ogilvie as man and Shawn Lathrop as federal agent.

“Left Behind” was written by Damon Lindelof & Elizabeth Sarnoff and directed by Karen Gaviola. Flippy 11:33, 19 March 2007 (PDT)

Flashback...[]

If the Marshall is confirmed to be in it doesn't that kind of give it away it's a Kate episode? I know you probably won't update the main page until after it's official, but it's worth trying xD random2502 00:55, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Yes, both the Marshal and Diane are in it so it is likely a Kate Flashback, however Cassidy is also in it, so there is also the possibility it is a Sawyer FB, however unlikely. Best to wait and get the official word on it. -04:53, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

fishy..[]

Doesnt it seem abit odd that there are no "extra" others in this episode (like Tom or Alex), or any of the island extras like Nikki? Just something im pondering --Lewis -Talk-Contribs 14:11, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Yes, well, Nikki seems to be... dead...::cheers quietly::

Marshall![]

Yay, the Marshall's back! I'm very excited. Sorry I don't actually have anything productive to add... Daveman424 20:15, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

I think we could learn more about Kate and the Marshal's connection. The writers have alluded that Mars and Kate had some sort of personal connection rather than a simple fugitive chase. Perhaps he dated Diane or something, and blamed Kate as her health deteriorated? Also, I think Cassidy's appearance is the bigger shocker --Nickb123 (Talk) 09:35, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

CATFIGHT![]

When I saw that I laughed so hard. It's a catfight! Brilliance! I should record that to my computer and make an icon out of it. That is going to be the greatest moment in Lost...Ever. :: |†|[ K i t s u n e ]|†|

I hear ya! And my HTPC wasn't running right so I don't have screencaps for this ep. I especially liked the mud wrestling. :-( Jabberwock talk contribs email - 20:17, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

That popping sound was nast-ay! --Marik7772003 20:28, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

But how did Kate ruin Jack's chances of getting off the island? It was Locke who blew up the submarine, after all..haha

Bullet shells?[]

There is a question in the article about bullets being near Jack toward the end of the episode. The first time I watched it, they kind of looked like bullets but the second I watched it they looked like broken ceramics. Does anyone actually think that the things around Jack are bullets? Dharmatel4 22:05, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

I had heard something about bullets but the screen shots look more like broken ceramics to me. The rest of the house was smashed up and Jack has no bullet wounds so... --Jackdavinci 00:22, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

Unanswered Questions (answered)[]

How come Juliet didn't know about the Monster despite having lived on the Island for 3 years?

Juliet did know and lied about that. She knew that the pylons would keep the monster away.

Are you sure about that? My impression was that she said it only because the barrier had just then worked. Her fear and surprise when it appeared seemed genuine.

She seemed fairly confident after activating the fence as she stood stock-still while the monster approached. It seemed clear she knew she wasn't in any danger anymore. --Laika 04:22, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

What were the flashes as the monster approached Juliet and Kate?

The flashes were similar to what the monster did with Eko in The 23rd Psalm. It may be a way that the monster learns about people or views their past. I guess that's not an answer but just in case any one thinks that was the first time we heard/seen flashes.

These seems more like a really bright taking a picture sort of projective flashes than the more subliminal memory displaying flashes we saw before. It's hard to tell because we don't see the monster at that point, just Kate and Juliet's faces, and also it's nighttime so it could just seem brighter in the darkness. I don't think it's clear yet whether this was just a different way of filming the same phenomenon, or a new behavior we haven't seen before. --Jackdavinci 00:20, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

I think that that was shot from the Monster's POV, and the flashes where similar to what we have seen before with Eko. --elpaw 04:54, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

This could also be a reference to Locke's description of the Monster, i.e. a "white light." With this episode's heavy use of the Good People theme, it could be a way of tying it to the Black and White theme in as symbolism. --Rowsdower 06:49, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

Why did everyone put on gas masks if Kate and the others were gassed inside?

Was it really everyone, or did we only see a few people put them on. I would think the people actually handling the cannisters would put them on as a precaution. --Bastion 07:16, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

Safety. Anyone handling CS gas grenades absolutely should don some sort of chemical protection; the grenades emit a small "precursor" puff of CS before they really begin smoking in earnest, but that puff is enough to put you in agony if it hits any kind of mucous membrane. Bastion nailed it. --ConspiracyofDetails 07:34, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

Clementine may be a counter-con by Cassidy to recover the money that Sawyer stole from her -- i.e. either there is no baby, or there is, but Cassidy is currently with the real father.

Cassidy tells Kate that she is pregnant with a con man's child.

She has no reason to lie to Kate about this. Plus, I believe Cuse & Lindelof have confirmed that Clementine is very real, and Sawyer's child.

Why don't the Castaways consider moving into the Other's abandoned camp?

According to messages on the Fuselage and the Lost Virtual Tour, the Barracks are actually a YMCA camp in Hawaii and the production cannot move in for any extended period of time as it is needed this spring and summer for camps. Although there should be sometype of "out" in the storyline, that's the real reason--NickScalan 12:06, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

It seemed to be a very long-trek to the barracks and the A-team have never seemed keen on encouraging the other losties (particularly extras) to venture very far from the apparent safety of beach camp.--Laika 04:35, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

baby blocks[]

I heard there were baby blocks with the numbers on them but I couldn't find them. Anyone? --Jackdavinci 00:29, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

The Monster and the Security Fence[]

Why can't the monster just go over it, like the Losties did? We know it can move in 3 dimensions (it picked Eko up quite high). --elpaw 05:18, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

It may only be able to go in three dimensions with something akin to a limb. Maybe it lifted Eko up but some part of it was still on the ground. It can't lift its entire self up; it doesn't really fly, it just seems to.--Ex-Pope Cardinal Richard Corey 07:49, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

if it has to hav at least one bit on the ground, why couldnt it hav streched over the fence, slinky fashion? - Malachi

I love the idea of something as menacing and imposing as the monster doing anything 'slinky fashion.' --Laika 04:39, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

My theory is, the sonic wave goes up, as well as between the pylons. the only reason kate and that were safe it because they went over one of the pylons. the monster probobly couldnt have made itself thin enough to go over the pylon. - Malachi

Also, while the losties went over the security fence, it's possible that the fence was not on in the first place. Maybe you can't go over it, either. I think it's an unanswered question on what exactly happened to Mikhail.

The fence was on and something bad happened to Mikhail. Its possible to theorize that the fence didn't kill him, but going through the fence wasn't physically a good thing. Dharmatel4 12:12, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

Bear in mind that the monster may not be able to move up - I don't believe we've ever seen it more than a foot or two off of the ground. This may tie in heavily with the "underground vent system" theory - that it travels by somehow using underground vents. Take a look at the monster page for more info.(Zetetic 16:34, 5 April 2007 (PDT))

I think we might be assuming that the monster has an intelligence akin to that of a human because it can theoretically be seen to judge characters and decide upon certain actions (such as when to kill certain people) but we really have no idea whether its intelligence extends towards problem solving or could be confined towards whatever its purpose could be. Its rumoured that there are underground means of entering the barracks by-passing the fence so it would probably have figured out a way to the barracks in all its time on the island. --Laika 04:44, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

Wrong Grenade?[]

According to the trivia section, the grenade lobbed into Kate's room was labelled "ALSG272 Continuous Discharge, Smoke Grenade, CS" and its contents knocked her out.

I find it difficult to believe that writers as meticulous about details as the LOST writers are would make this mistake, but CS gas is not a form of "knockout" or soporific gas. CS gas is, in reality, 2-Chlorobenzalmalononitrile, commonly known as "tear gas." That grenade, if the CS is to be believed, held an irritant riot-control agent, not a soporific.

Either this was an oversight or someone is playing a very strange angle.

--ConspiracyofDetails 07:31, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

ALSG272 is a real CS grenade [1]. Your right about it not being able on its own to knock someone out, but if deployed (stupidly) indoors could it displace enough oxygen to put someone out. The other reason for not using it indoors is that there is a fire danger associated with this type of thing.

Don't necesarly blame the writers though. What can happen is that someone is told that that an episode needs a gas grenade prop and they find something that seems right. The writers are not necessarly on set checking the correctness of every prop. Dharmatel4 09:07, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

Juliet, Kate and Jack were all indoors when they were gassed. The ASLG272 causes involuntary closing of the eyes(blepharospam) and/or shortness of breath. If used in poorly ventilated areas it can cause asphyxiation which will rapidly lead to unconsciousness. chrisarrow 7 April 2007

It can lead to unconsciousness, but not periods of unconsciousness lasting as long as they did in the episode. Dharmatel4 19:28, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

All absolutely right and good points, but I'd like to put something up for further consideration. The effects of CS take awhile to go away. Your mucous membranes, especially your eyes and throat, will be extremely painful for several hours. Severe redness of the eyes will persist for hours as well. By all rights, after that kind of dose, Kate should have been an absolute mess ... provided she survived at all. (And I didn't intend for it to sound like I was blaming the writers for anything. I was just willing to chalk it up to a propmaster or similar, totally innocent, mistake.) --ConspiracyofDetails 10:07, 11 May 2007 (PDT)

Music?[]

Anyone happen to know what the music was during the pig roast scene? Was it just incidental music or was it off a real album somwehere? I didn't happen to notice if it was referred to in the credits and there's nothing on ABC's website about it. --Doc 07:42, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

It sounds a lot like Giacchino's other "Hawaiian" pieces, e.g. the beginning of "Hurley's Handouts" --elpaw 08:03, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

Sawyer & Claire[]

Why was my unanswered question removed? It's a strong anti-Sawyer bias...he has done several good things for other characters, particularly Claire, but this always seems to be forgotten. He never did anything against her, but when Hurley asked, "What have you ever done *for* her?", he was clearly mistaken.

In The Greater Good, nothing will make Aaron stop crying but the sound of Sawyer's voice. Sawyer is more than willing to oblige, reading to him from an automotive magazine:

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[We see Sawyer sitting with Charlie and the baby.]

SAWYER [reading from a magazine]: The low rumble breaks the crisp fall air as a flash of red streaks down the maple-dappled Vermont highway. [he stops and the baby starts fussing] The 32 valve V-8 engine purrs as the transmission clicks down a gear and the vehicle unleashes all 400 horses and 350 pound feet rear-wheel torque.

[Claire approaches. The baby starts to cry.]

CHARLIE [to Sawyer]: Keep going. Keep going.

CLAIRE: Charlie.

[Charlie shushes Claire and motions into the shelter.]

SAWYER: Beneath the hood the 4.4 liter power plant features a fully integrated super-charger made into a 6 speed transmission from the manual sequential shift feature.

CHARLIE: Keep going.

SAWYER: This smooth-riding sports car offers a bewitching blend of taste, comfort and economy.

”

In Maternity Leave, when Sawyer finds out Aaron is sick, he not only offers up anything in his stash that might help, but he implicitly offers to accompany Kate and Claire on their mission:

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[We see Sawyer reading a book near his tent on the beach. Kate approaches.]

KATE: I need a gun. And you don't get to ask why.

SAWYER: Well, Thelma, seeing as I got all the guns, I do get to ask why.

KATE: No, you don't.

SAWYER: Yes, I do -- watch. Why?

KATE: Just give me a gun, Sawyer.

SAWYER: Check it out -- I found a new pair of glasses damn near my prescription. You like 'em?

KATE: Alright, I'm going into the jungle to track down Rousseau.

SAWYER: The French chick? What for?

KATE: Claire thinks she knows where there might be some medicine. The baby's sick.

SAWYER: Well, hell, I got medicines.

KATE: She thinks he's really sick -- as in quarantine sick.

SAWYER: What do you think?

KATE: I think she's a little too worried, but she's going after Rousseau with or without me.

SAWYER: No boys allowed, huh? [Kate shakes her head] Alright, what do you want -- 9 millimeter or rifle?

”

It's pretty clear that Sawyer has done (or was willing to do) good things for Claire, so Hurley's statement was misleading. As for a comment that Sawyer would have stolen the diamonds, keep in mind that he didn't need to tell *anyone* that he'd found them. Nobody caught him digging them up. I think it's well worth noting that Sawyer has been decent to people -- this is just the first time he wants them to notice. --Amberjet11 13:59, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

I removed it because it doesn't seem like your asking a question. You were in my opinion making a very valid and useful extended observation, but it wasn't a question. What you have might go better in trivia or somewhere else. Dharmatel4 14:14, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

Oh, well, that seems fair! You just didn't put in any note when you deleted it. I'll be willing to paste this into trivia -- should I include the quotes or keep it simple? --Amberjet11 14:29, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

I'll try to be better about comments on removed questions in the future. In my opinion, the extended quotes are not really necessary. The point your making stands up without them. But its just an opinion. Dharmatel4 19:37, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

removed questions (reasoning)[]

How/why did Kate and Juliet end up handcuffed together in the jungle?
How did Juliet know the sonic barrier was off?

Many questions of this type have been added and continue to be added. Juliet set the whole thing with Kate in the jungle up herself including being in the jungle, being handcuffed together and making sure that the barrier was off so that they could get back. For proof, listen to the dialog after they make it past the barrier. She admits what she did.

Juliet was attempting to manipulate Kate in an attempt to create a situation where she and Kate had gone through a situation where they were accomplishing something together so that Kate's probably hostility to Juliet would be less.

Why was Jack's house attacked/messed up/destroyed?

What we see in the episode is a Jack unconcious in the entryway to the house with two gas cannisters near him along with a chair tipped over and something broken made of ceramics. From what an be seen, it does not appear that the house was torn up in a signficant way. The damage that is seen would be consistant with either the cannisters hitting something or Jack falling under the influence of the gas. Either way, there doesn't seem to be enough damage to say something more than that happened at the house were Jack was.

How did Juliet know The Monster couldn't get through the fence if she didn't know what it was?

Late in the episode, she admits to knowing of the monster and that the fence can stop it.Dharmatel4 19:47, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

I watched the episode twice and didn't catch Juliet admitting to bringing Kate to the jungle, handcuffing them, or turning off the barrier, just to pretending to be in it together with Kate. Just because she lied about knowing of the monster and having the handcuff key doesn't mean she set everything else up... --Pedxing 11:30, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

She had the handcuff key, she knew the barrier was down and she admits that she did these things because she wanted Kate to think that they were "in it together". She also first lies about the monster and then tells more truth about the monster. All of her behavior and statements imply that the whole thing was a set-up to manipulate Kate. If its not that, you get to a strange theory were Ben puts them out in the jungle handcuffed but gives Juliet the key and Juliet somehow knows that the barrier is down, seems to know exactly where the barrier is in relation to where they are in the jungle. Dharmatel4 11:53, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

timeline problem[]

When Hurley first talks to Sawyer, Sawyer says he has 3 days 10 hours 15 minutes left, which would make the beginning of Left Behind take place 3 days, 13 hours, and 45 minutes after his nickname ban began in Enter 77. For this conversation to have taken place during daylight on day 82, the beginning of the nickname ban would have to be some time between late in the day on day 78 and sunrise on day 79. The beginning of the ban should have happened mid to late day on day 77 if it started at the end of the ping pong game, and at the latest it should have started at midnight or maybe sunrise on day 78 if they decided to start it arbitrarily on the next day. So either there's a timeline problem, or Sawyer pulled the time out of his ass. --Jackdavinci 23:49, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

The only problem I see in the timeline is Day 81/82. I think Day 81 starts in the middle of the night. Is it possible that Locke says goodbye to Kate sometime on the morning/afternoon of day 81 and the gassings happen the same day? That allows the Sawyer conversation to be pushed back. It seems kind of tight but the events would be:

- Day 81
Locke blows the sub around 5am day 81 (just a guess)
Locke is put in the cell
Locke is shown Cooper
Locke goes over to the others
Locke says goodbye to Kate
The others pack up, wearing gas masks
The others gas everyone
The others leave
Hurley talks to Sawyer
- Day 82
Kate and Juliet wake up in the jungle

Dharmatel4 09:22, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

I got the impression that this episode happened on Days 81-82. This may be trying to stuff to much into Day 81, but it works with Sawyer's line. Also, during the the Sawyer-Hurley talk they are both wearing the same clothes as in 3x14, while the next day they have different clothes on.

- Day 81
Locke blows up the submarine
Juliet brings Kate the sandwich while Locke is shown Cooper
Sunrise
Locke says goodbye to Kate
Kate gassed, Others leave
Last two bullets during the Nikki/Paulo death mystery and burial
Kate and Juliet wake up in the jungle late in the day
Hurley talks to Sawyer about banishment
Rain, catfight, monster while Sawyer helps Claire
- Day 82
Sawyer the nice-guy and Kate and Juliet return to Otherville

--Ithor6 11:46, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

Juliet seen packing?[]

I moved the following from the main page. It is a good point but seems to be in the wrong place:

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One of the others looks very much like it might be Juliet. She is wearing the same type of clothing, but we don't see her face. I'm new to the wikipedia thing, so here's a link to a screen cap of this woman: http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5276/julietmaybeid7.jpg

”

I've dumped it here so that folk can discuss and consider using it for the therories page, or put it back on the man page in the right place/style. --TechNic|talk|conts 00:04, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

One more pic http://xs314.xs.to/xs314/07145/misc.jpg --Boogie51 06:12, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

Juliet is wearing the same clothes when she brings Kate a sandwich as when they are later handcuffed together. This means that she would have had to have changed clothes for this scene - her jeans are a different shade even if she just took her jumper off. I think it's more likely to be one of the background cast such as #5 (Others Background section). Here is a picture, and in the background characters article it says she is a stand-in for Juliet. --Bestrob 15:56, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

You have your wardrobe details mixed up! Juliet's wearing the same clothes in the packing/gassing scene as she is when she "wakes up" in the jungle handcuffed to Kate! Carolina blue long sleeve and blue jeans.--Japhy Ryder 05:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I think you're right Bestrob. Scary face on the extra in that pic!--TechNic|talk|conts 16:01, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

I disagree with the conclusion here entirely. ?SPOILER ALERT? After re-watching this episode post-fifth season (hence having a lot of distance from it), it was absolutely meant to be Juliet outside packing up with the rest of the others that Kate saw. Why?

This "stand-in" business means absolutely nothing. In fact, it's more likely that the 2nd unit's use of a stand-in was used at all means that is is Juliet. First, why would they call this actress here stand-in if it is not the Juliet character? That would be ridiculous! More importantly, they specifically shot the actress from behind and she is the most prominent extra in the shot. And, finally, most importantly the stand-in actress is wearing the exact same Carolina blue shirt and blue jeans that we see Juliet wearing when she "wakes up" in the jungle.

Folks, it was a ruse. She was sent there as a mole, which we all know, and the Others sure as hell aren't going to gas their most brilliant doctor given that gas bombs can have side effects, such as, say brain damage or death.

So, concluding all of this, yes, that was Juliet packing up her gear. Same shirt, and we know that the whole thing was a ruse.

The only possible question you may have left is as to why they used a double or stand-in for Juliet. The answer is really simple. For such a quick shot that is filled with no one but extras, the producers would never in a million year pay for one of the actual actresses on the show to show up for half a day's salary (mucho de niro) just to shoot a second of B roll footage. Instead, they picked an extra who was the same body shape and size as that of the actress who plays Juliet to "stand in" for her so they didn't need to pay the real actress a couple thousand dollars.

End of story. It was Juliet, played by a stand-in, shot on the B-roll, and it was meant to be a subtle clue that Juliet was supposed to be a mole. All information on this page needs to be changed accordingly.--Japhy Ryder 05:06, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Another evil car![]

Twice in Left Behind we see a silver Chrysler 300M driving past the gas station... It drives by when Kate first arrives and again when she and Cassidy are parting ways! I think it's like that darn Pontiac! --Pedxing 11:34, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

Was it the same car ? , i couldn't tell ? MJKubba|talk|contributions

Juliet in the jungle?[]

Why is it accepted as a given that Juliet is in the jungle handcuffed to Kate on the orders of the Others, as a spy? Taken from the Unanswered questions:

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How did Juliet wake up from the gas, transport Kate into the jungle and handcuff her before she woke if they were gassed at (presumably) roughly the same time in the Others' village?

”

Could it not be that the Others gassed her and Kate, dumped them both in the woods then handcuffed them together before either of them woke up? I may have missed it (possibly), but I ddn't hear Juliet mentioning anything about getting her and Kate out of the Barracks - and if she had mentioned it, I'm sure Kate would have brought it up when Jack said that Juliet was going with them... --RyanBrynna 13:29, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

In my opinion, it should be accepted that the whole event was staged by Juliet from beginning to end. She had the key, she knew where the fence was, she lied about the monster, she admitted to manipulating Kate and she knew the fence was off. I dont think the Others were involved at all. But there are valid questions about the gas. We don't know why Jack was out for twice as long as Kate. And if Juliet staged things, its an open question if she was gassed at all. Dharmatel4 14:09, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

But we don't have any conclusive proof that it was setup by Juliet/the Others at the moment. Granted, she had the key all along,but maybe she was being vulnerable and not wanting to be left behind...--RyanBrynna 07:26, 7 April 2007 (PDT)

If Juliet was gassed and dumped in the jungle by the Others, how'd she know Sayid and Jack were still in Othersville? Burt Gummer

I agree with Dharmatel for the most part, I cant see any other logical explanation to the events of the episode. Personally I can't believe she could have been gassed and then decided upon the handcuffing plan though. I think its more likely that she was told she was to be 'left behind' in advance and granted the privilege of staying conscious so that she could enact her plan to ingratiate herself with the losties via the handcuff idea. Either that or it was Ben's plan and the spy idea is true. The latter might be more likely because if it was all Juliet's plan then blaming Kate for ruining Jack's chance to get home seems rather ill-advised for purposes of 'making nice.' The question is why would Juliet still pursue the others causes with no further chance of being sent home? --Laika 05:55, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

Michael in this episode? What?[]

In the unanswered questions section, someone added a question of whether or not Michael was seen with the Others. Is there an article anywhere or screencap about this because I hadn't heard anything and can't find anything about it. It sounds just like one of those cases where an extra looks similar to a cast member. Edit: sorry, I always forget to sign. Voodoo 14:17, 7 April 2007 (PDT)

I looked at the episode and I don't see Micheal. I've removed the question as invalid. If anyone wants to re-add it, I would suggest putting up a screencap showing Michael. This seems really unlikley because of what they would have to pay the actor involved. Dharmatel4 14:04, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

Your wish is my command. Media:Michael1.JPG Media:Michael2.JPG I actually think this might be Michael. It's hard to see his facial features, obviously, but it would be a nice twist. And Malcolm David Kelly is supposedly in Hawai'i right now. This would really back that up. Evil-pineapples 15:58, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

Sorry, its not Michael. This is just one of the background others. Look at the Background cast article and in the Other's Background section look at #13. That is the guy you, see he has been seen with the others numerous times before. Sorry, but it is not Michael. -Mr.Leaf 16:02, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

Here is your "Michael" --Avudim 07:57, 9 April 2007 (PDT

Gas Prices in Kate's Flashbacks.[]

We don't know the exact time Kate is in Iowa in the flashbacks (unless I personally missed something), but the gas prices may indicate when she was there. When she pulls into the gas station the prices are:

1.32 1.74 1.81

Here is an image of said scene:

[[2]]

I doubt even the LOST producers are that anal. Quite observant of you, though. Evil-pineapples 22:05, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

According to this site that looks like a reasonable range of prices for at least a few years up until early 2004, including most of 2002. --Bastion 08:08, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

Why is Jack left behind, but Locke not?[]

I don't get it: In the last episodes featuring Jack and Locke, Jack plays football with the Others while Locke blows up their only escape vehicle. I would assume that now everyone from the Others, except Ben, hates Locke, while their attitude towards Jack shouldn't change at all. However, they took Locke with them and left Jack behind. Even if Locke joined the Others or they took him with them because he is a good person, why did they left Jack behind? --Phatoni 03:54, 7 April 2007 (PDT)

Because Ben is in charge. Ben likes Locke, he might even be on a list since Ben claimed he came to the hatch for him (even though that turned out not to be true). Ben wanted the sub blown up and Locke blew it up. Locke has special island mojo. Locke's frakkin dad was brought to the island by 'the box'. Clearly he's important and useful if not to the Others than at least Ben. Jack was specifically mentioned as not being on the list and also "not one of us". Jack was only captured for the surgery. Jack has formed strong ties with Juliet, who is Ben's rival of sorts.--Jackdavinci 21:25, 7 April 2007 (PDT)

I don't think there's been proof that John's father came from the "box." I feel like that might be a great red herring by the writers. Especially since Ben is so manipulative. BluGuy 11:41, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

Ben's reaction to the submarine blowing up is classic manipulation. He gave them something else to think about. Evacuating the entire barracks and whatever else happened that day gave nobody time to talk to each other about what had just happened. Dharmatel4 11:16, 7 April 2007 (PDT)

The question as to whether Locke is or isnt in their favour rests too much on the unseen events between 'Man from Talahassee' and this episode. Its quite obvious that something very significant would have taken place regarding Locke's integrity, and potential 'goodness.' Its more than probable that Locke's fathers appearance was somehow set up as a 'test' for Locke by the others. It would seem he passed the test but the wounded hand and black-eye might contradict this (I would say a worthy Locke might forgive and forget if thats possible.) Perhaps not though, we have no idea what the others idea of 'good' includes, perhaps killing for the greater good is part and parcel of being an other. This would perhaps have to be true if he has been accepted by them as he killed Mikhail, provided that they know that.--Laika 05:02, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

I wonder more why Kate was left behind? The Others couldn't forgive her patricide, yet Locke needs to kill his father in order to join them. MrEvers 23:38, 13 August 2007 (PDT)

Parallel to Season One?[]

Did it strike anyone else how similar the fight in the rainy jungle between Kate and Juliet was to the fight in the rainy jungle between Jack and Ethan back in Season One? My immediate thought that it was some kind of back-reference. Also, this is my first "post" so apologies for any format mistakes Cubert12345 10:40, 7 April 2007 (PDT)

I would not deny that there are similarities such as it being a Lostie vs. an Other. However, I think the rain, being a recurring theme, is more of just an expression of the characters clashing than a real reference back to Season One. Also the outcomes are different, Kate eventually goes along with Juliet where-as Jack pursued a fleeing Ethan.Voodoo 14:17, 7 April 2007 (PDT)

the Sound of the Monster[]

When the Monster strikes the sonic fence, there is a sound effect that has been haunting me. I know a lot about sci-fi and fantasy movies, as I'm sure so many of you do, and I have a large library in my brain of visual and sound effects, and this 'reverberating' sound is so familiar to me. I can't quite pick out where I've heard it before, but I know I have. I think the Lost sound effects people prolonged the sound, to match the Monster's prolonged contact with the fence, but this original sound had a shorter, reverberation effect to it. Does anyone have any input as to where this sound may have come from? Considering the producer's preference for making every little thing important in some way, I feel if I could remember where I heard this sound I might make some significant connection about the nature of the Monster. I am not ignorant as to Rose's observations about the sound of the Monster, and that connection to the sound of a New York taxi cab's printer, and I have never been to New York.

Ok. My guess is that this sound comes from "War of the Worlds". Maybe the Monster is an alien or something like that...Jankofobas 09:42, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

It finally came to me, I think this is very nearly the same sound effect as the Sonic Charges dropped by the Slave 1 in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones. The scene where Obi-Wan is pursuing Jango Fett to Geonosis, and Fett drops the bombs that first turn everything silent, and then explode with that same loud twanging noise.

Well, ok, I played them side by side, and they're only similar rather than identical, the Lost sound is much lower in pitch than the Star Wars sound.

Hm, the Star Wars sound was the first thing i thought of too.

TWO villages?[]

I don't know if this idea has ever been debunked but what about the possibility of two villages? Indeed, some elements seems to confirm this idea : -the first view of otherville in "the tale of two cities" shows no seacoast whereas we now know it got one. -In the Sri lanka video, Mittelwerk talks about two villages (Filan and Vetul-Milani).--Marc 10:58, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

The security fence code-151623 or 1623?[]

Which was it? There seems to be conflicting statements over what the code Juliet entered into the sonic fence, 151623 or 1623. Shadow Ultra 15:19, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

Actually, i thought she entered the numbers, but they only showed part of it. (You know, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42)

Answered Questions[]

Belong in Theories?

Agreed. There is no answered questions on any other page. Isn't really needed as a section of its own.Voodoo 20:50, 9 April 2007 (PDT)
Agreed Particularly in this instance where the answer is more of a conjecture than a fact.--TechNic|talk|conts 07:33, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

Recurring Themes - The Numbers[]

I think we have a candidate for the first annual "Most Tenuous Link to The Numbers" award:

Kate's car's license plate is Missouri 4ON DVB. V is the 22 letter, and B is the second, adding up to 24 - a reverse 42. (The Numbers)

Anybody else think this is complete garbage? If you're having to add numbers up and reverse the sum, then you're looking too hard. Especially considering the O, N and D in the license plate have been completely ignored. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Adam21 (talk • contribs) .

I agree with you, and removed it. Also, please sign your posts on talk pages in future. Thanks, -- Lost Soul talk contribs 07:11, 10 April 2007 (PDT)
- I agree that the license plate is not a "numbers" reference, but it *is* interesting trivia, especially in the case of Kate, who changes license plates and cars and could give us a clue of where/when her flashbacks are. --Jackdavinci 08:26, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

More anti-Sawyer bias[]

So I wrote this analysis of Sawyer and Claire, which I was told was a valid discussion point, but every time I try to post it (and I'm told where would be the best place to post it), it gets deleted. So here:

The Losties have a strong anti-Sawyer bias...he has done several good things for other characters, particularly Claire, but this always seems to be forgotten. He never did anything against her, but when Hurley asked, "What have you ever done *for* her?", he was clearly mistaken.

In The Greater Good, nothing will make Aaron stop crying but the sound of Sawyer's voice. Sawyer is more than willing to oblige, reading to him from an automotive magazine.
In Maternity Leave, when Sawyer finds out Aaron is sick, he not only offers up anything in his stash that might help, but he implicitly offers to accompany Kate and Claire on their mission.

It's pretty clear that Sawyer has done (or was willing to do) good things for Claire, so Hurley's statement was misleading. As for a comment that Sawyer would have stolen the diamonds, keep in mind that he didn't need to tell *anyone* that he'd found them. Nobody caught him digging them up. It's well worth noting that Sawyer has been decent to people -- this is just the first time he wants them to notice. While it can be said that Hurley tricked him into this behavior, it can also be said that he could have chosen not to care about the vote, with his "every man for himself" philosophy.

I just don't get why this is repeatedly taken out. Just because the episode wasn't Sawyer-centric, it doesn't mean this is irrelevant. His attempt to make good with the other Losties was a major plot point of the episode. --Amberjet11 09:33, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

Yes hes done a few good things, but compare it to the mountain of things hes done against the camp; Constantly insulting people Hording medical drugs Hording/Stealing the guns

Setting up charlie to Kidnap sun, thou Not everyone knows

Constant "Whats in it for me" Hording of all the booze trying to steal the Diamonds As shown in the last ep, He takes alot from the camp but gives very little

While I agree that Maybe hes not all that bad, From the Losties view he takes alot and gives very little back. The view of the camp would be that they should all try to get along and share, However Sawyer is the biggest horder there. That would annoy alot of the losties --Hit and miss 09:47, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

If Sawyer didn't hoard all this stuff, who would? As for hoarding the booze, he gave *all* of it to Kate when she told him Boone was injured. She broke most of it when she tripped on her way to Jack, and the rest of it was drank by Jack and Ana-Lucia on the beach. As for trying to steal the diamonds, he didn't try to steal them. He announced to everyone that he had them, with very little provocation to do so. All Hurley asked was "What do you mean by perimeter sweep?" and Sawyer was like, "Look what I found." He didn't have to tell anyone. There was no way they would've found out if he hadn't told them. --Amberjet11 10:16, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

It's not always the end result its the intent, the fact that he didn't tell people from the get go that he knew she hid something shows that he only gave the diamonds up was because they had no value on the island, if it had been a gun (something of worth) he probably wouldn't of given it up, and it he only gave the booze up when someones life was on the line and he would of been really hated for it, he only recently gave the beer up at the BBQ when threatend with eviction. Hes not all bad, but I think the most damming evidence was the fact that Sawyer bought into Hurleys con! if he thought he was good he would of never gone along to it! --Hit and miss 12:06, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

He gave up the booze because he didn't want someone to die if he could help. There was no huge audience when Kate asked for the booze -- or when he offered the meds to help Aaron in Maternity Leave -- and I doubt Kate would have made an announcement to the Losties if Sawyer refused to help, because she's not that kind of person. Sawyer actually gave the diamonds to Sun thinking they *did* have value -- she was the one who said they didn't, when she gave them back. As for buying into Hurley's con, Sawyer has been wracked with guilt and self-loathing, and anyone can easily manipulate that. Of course Sawyer doesn't think he's good...he framed *himself* for Shannon's missing inhalers! --Amberjet11 08:50, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

MOUSE TRAP[]

That game was in the in the game room. I don't know where out it in the article.

PS it was first seen in Deus Ex Machina (Holy crap i spelled it right the first time!).Jcc1033 23:45, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

New Edits[]

In the " Bloopers and continuity errors" :

When Cassidy drops food on Diane's lap, the smudge doesn't reach her dress at first. But in the following scenes, the smudge in the apron is different and clearly reaches the dress, so she has to go the bathroom to clean herself.

thats happen when she bend over to grab the plate so the smudge "reaches" her dress too.

In the " Unanswered questions" :

Why didn't the black smoke monster enter the barracks aria after Kate and Juliet from above the sonic wall like Kate , Sayid and Locke did in ("Par Avion"). MJKubba|talk|contributions

Better Picture?[]

Anyone object to changing the picture for Left Behind? It's rather bland as it is now. This one looks like an improvement: Marc604 22:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I definitely object. The picture should focus on Kate, since she is the centric character for this episode. --Celebok 01:06, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Is this answered?[]

"What were the flashes of light as the monster approached Juliet and Kate?" They showed up again in "Ab Aeterno" and they appear to be a function of MIB's ability to scan memories (as seen in "The 23rd Psalm"), as MIB later knew about (and probably was) Isabella. --Golden Monkey 15:37, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

I think it has been answered now. MIB also knows of Richard's fear of the Devil and uses it to manipulate him into trying to kill Jacob.--Baker1000 21:15, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Aaron crying at Sawyer is not a blooper[]

"When Sawyer attempts to earn Claire's vote, Aaron cries after he says hello to him. In the first season, Charlie follows Sawyer because his voice kept Aaron calm." This is not a blooper or continuity error. Aaron was only one day old when Sawyer's voice calmed him down, and that phenomenon hasn't been observed since. There is no reason to think that Sawyer's voice should always keep Aaron calm for the rest of his life. If anything, this observation should be moved to the trivia section. --Celebok 01:12, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Done. --Celebok 10:55, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Song in the bar scene[]

Does anyone know what song is playing during the bar scene between Kate and Cassidy? I've searched the lyrics I can make out, but I can't find anything which resembles the song in the episode. I'd be great to find out so we can add it to the cultural references. And to also satisfy my curiosity!--Baker1000 23:41, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

I'll start looking, you know, it could be that band that only Damon and Carlton know ;) Metroid101 00:08, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Heh, yeah. It's just bugging me because it's not on the Music article either, and of course we strive to be the source of all Lost related knowledge. If another person watches that episode and wishes to know the name of the song, they'll come here. It just doesn't feel right to have missing songs.--Baker1000 16:37, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Type the lyrics onto youtube and sometimes the correct song shows up :) Julietfan2626 Talk Blogs 18:25, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I've tried Google too. The problem is I don't know if the lyrics are correct, because they're quite hard to make out. All I've got is "Drifters", "I'm restless/breathless again" and "come close without kissing." It's obviously not a well known song. I've tried lyric sites too. I've also looked for the scene on YouTube to see if anyone asks/answers what the song is in the comments.--Baker1000 19:34, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

If you type the parts of the lyrics you know on youtube, it may work :) Julietfan2626 Talk Blogs 19:48, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

I found the song: it's a production/non-commercial clip, only about 30 seconds long. It's called "Waltz Without Whispering" and can be heard here! (Also, my first time editing this wiki, have no idea if I'm doing this right, but I'm so excited that I found an answer to this! Thanks to someone on reddit's /r/tipofmytongue.) Anna77In77Indiana (talk) 01:03, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Wow. WOW! Thank you so, so much. You've made me very happy indeed. This has bugged me for YEARS. I'd given up hope of finding the answer when not even modern technology like Shazaam could identify the clips in the scene. Also, to my surprise, I got quite a few of the lyrics right when I posted this 4 years ago! This is actually a great song, I wish I could download it somewhere! I'm going to add this to the relevant articles right away. Seriously, thank you so much for posting this and solving the mystery. And please give huge thanks to the reddit user who knew the answer! (p.s. welcome to the wiki, you did everything right! Also, it seems a full 3 minute track is available to license, and you can listen to 1:29 of it HERE!)--Baker1000 (talk) 23:45, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

'Flashback timeline' section?[]

While i can see how this is useful info, the "Flashback timeline" section is inappropriate as a standalone since it is inconsistent with the format of nearly every other episode page. Vote to merge into Trivia section or let the 'Episode Connections/Allusions' sections speak for themselves. Flashesb4ur8s (talk) 20:04, July 7, 2016 (UTC)

Locke's face[]

Episode description says Locke's face is bruised, but it didn't seem so to me - it seemed normal. Can anyone confirm or deny it? Gevorg89 (talk) 15:24, 22 November 2020 (UTC)