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Considering the following casting call for ep. 501 I think her name is not Lara, but Martha LOST-Hunter61 16:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

[MARTHA] 35 to 40, Asian, attractive. A smart, capable scientist with a strong personality who has taken a break to raise her baby but plans to work again. Completely believes in the work she is doing but sometimes questions the decisions of those in charge...

It is common practice to change the name when putting out the casting calls. Mrs. Chang might be Lara, or Lara is someone completely different. If the later is true, then Mrs. Chang's first name might be Martha, but we don't know that either. For now, we will just have to wait and see; judging from the description in the casting call we haven't seen the last of her. --Pierre 16:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


Rename (Woman (Because You Left))

  • Rename: ABC press release credits her as "Woman" - so can we call her for definite "Mrs. Chang"? I think she's Lara, but we can't prove it. So that leaves a generic "Woman (Because You Left)" scenario. --Nickb123 (Talk) 22:01, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Agree, according to the casting call she will appear again (it's a really detailed casting call about certain characteristics that deffinetly didn't refer to "Because You Left") and if we get an official confirmation of her being Lara and/or Pierre's wife/Mrs. Chang, we could always change it again. Orhan94 22:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Just be weary of casting calls though - they often give much more backstory than we'd actually see on the show - just to give the actor a bit of insight into how to do the role. That said, I'd imagine that she's gonna return and be revealed as Lara. --Nickb123 (Talk) 11:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Strongly Disagree, how could she not be his wife. They sleep in the same house, they tell each other to go take care of the baby, Dr. Chang was wearing a wedding ring during the Arrow orientation shoot. I see no point in calling foul. Not to mention she is more than likely Lara from the comic con vid. I say merge. --LOST-The Cartographer 23:02, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Disagree as per the wedding ring. --Pierre 23:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Disagree I think it's obvious it's his wife. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 00:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Ah I didn't notice the wedding ring. That gives it much more weight. --Nickb123 (Talk) 11:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Merging with Lara

Agree. Please note that I added a proposed name. This is based upon the fact that there is no other identified woman in Pierre Chang's life. The casting call of "Martha" is not an issue; if the call had been for "Lara," the leak could not have been controlled.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 19:48, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Regarding calling her "Lara Chang" - that's risky as you can't necessarily assume in the Comic Con video when he says "Lara sort out the baby" or whatever that he means his Mrs. Could be a DHARMA nanny, could be his PA, could be a friend, could be anyone. There's plausible deniability! --Nickb123 (Talk) 20:42, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Huh? Why was the proposed name for a renaming changed before consensus was reached??? Most voices heard above is about a suggested renaming to Woman (Because You Left). Please behave. As for a rename to Lara Chang, I strongly disagree, as per Nickb123. --Pierre 22:41, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I "changed" the name because the original proposal did not include a name.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 19:30, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Disagree Keeping her as Mrs. Chang opposed to Woman (Because You Left) is one thing but merging it with Lara is totally different, even though it may sound logical to us, we can't just merge articles because the chances are they are the same character. Orhan94 23:51, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
  • I don't see the hurry, and it's worthwhile to wait for some linking evidence. Robert K S (talk) 20:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Disagree We have no viable proof yet that she is the Lara referenced in the Comic Con video. Not to mention, merging it insinuates that there is no possibility of Chang EVER having another woman in his life... I mean its ridiculous to merge the articles without any viable proof except for that they are the only two women ever mentioned in his life. meggie ~ Talk & contribs 03:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Agree - merge I think it's a safe assumption until we're shown otherwise? Integrated (User / Talk) 13:32, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Agree - merge I agree with Intergrated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dancing Penguin (talkcontribs) .

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  • Agree reasons stated above. --Czygan84 01:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The name has been changed but the merging work still needs to be done.  Robert K S   tell me  01:23, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Her first name

While reading about LOST Season 5 on wikipedia, it says that Martha is this woman's first name. Here's the source they provided. [1] --Mistertrouble189 04:06, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

...that source lists her as "woman." -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  04:17, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Rename ?

  • Miles' last name had to come from somewhere. He's not married, and we saw he wasn't adopted. Since she's his mother, and she's clearly separated from Pierre, Straume has to be her maiden name. So, based on that, should this page get renamed ? --LeoChris 01:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  • We don't know for sure, but it could be an alias when they left the Island. Plus she's married, has a wedding ring and closed captions identifeied her as "Mrs. Chang"--Mistertrouble189 19:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Agree:Rename to Lara. I'm getting real bored with people here assuming last names. We don't know her last name. It's never been given on the show. Her name is 'Lara', and that is all the information we have. -- Xbenlinusx 03:22, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Agree simply with "Lara" "Lara Chang" as per Robert, below.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions 
  • She's identified as "Mrs. Chang" in the closed caption stream for "Some Like It Hoth" when she hands the telephone to Dr. Chang at the end of the episode.  Robert K S   tell me  04:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  • That's interesting, but that brings up a new question: is the Closed Captioning done by the network or by the people affiliated with the show?--SSJ3Brian 16:19, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  • This question comes up all the time. I wish we had a FAQ or something. The short answer is, it's halfway between canon and non. While the stream isn't transcribed by the production company (it's farmed out to a third party), that third party works from scripts and other canon materials. The best example of this is the mention of the name of the Galaga in an inaudible whisper that was only found through the closed captioning.  Robert K S   tell me  16:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Disagree there's no reason to change it to just Lara. She probably reverted to her maiden name, or got an alias so just leave it as it is. --LOST-The Cartographer 05:07, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Agree- as you've said, she might have reverted to her maiden name. In that case, which one is correct? They're both valid depending on what time we see her, just simplify it and call it "Lara".--Chocky 16:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Doesn't matter, as long as the article specifically mentions the justification and the fact that she likely at some point also had Miles' last name. --Jackdavinci 08:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Disagree This article should just be "Lara". There is no clear confirmation regarding her last name. Having it listed as "Lara Chang" is either very wrong or partially wrong. If it's confirmed that her final last name was/is Straume, reflect it in the article by changing it to "Lara Straume".--SSJ3Brian 16:19, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  • So... you agree then? Not disagree?--Chocky 16:44, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Merge: First things first before we even start to discuss if this page should be renamed. It needs merging with Lara. Once that is done, then we can talk about which surname we give her.--Baker1000 18:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Rename. I swear, it's ridiculous how much you all assume people's last names. Until the character is specifically referred to as "Lara Chang," we only know her as Lara. --Pyramidhead 09:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Disagree We know for a fact she was Pierre Chang's wife! Its possible she change it after leaving the Island but the artice needs a sirname and Chang is one we know for sure she had at some point in time. --Frw22 13:27, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
No, we don't know that she took his name. It's very likely, yes, but not certain. --Pyramidhead 04:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
You keep saying that, but read above. Our best indication is that Chang is her last name.  Robert K S   tell me  04:51, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Agree basically because even if we found out her second name was Chang WHILE she was married, if she stopped using that name after she left the island (which you would guess she would) then that is the name that would be on the article.. --Integrated (User / Talk) 09:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Dead?

Given she was on her death bed when Miles was, as a guess, around ten years younger than present, do we think she is dead by 2004 time? --Integrated (User / Talk) 17:29, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

It's quite possible, but of course we can't change the article to say she's dead when we don't know for certain. We'll probably get confirmation from him that his mom is dead soon enough, though. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  17:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I hope so. I thought it was sorta weird that Miles said to Hurley "my mum got in line in cafeteria behind me" that he wasn't like .. "and she's been dead for ten years" .. and also him seeing his mum again surely would be good for him ? --Integrated (User / Talk) 16:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't know about whether we should mark her as deceased or presumed deceased yet. Diane's article stated that she died of cancer prior to Kate's arrival on the Island, even though she was fine enough to meet and talk to Kate in "Eggtown", in events that followed more than a six months after the events of "Born to Run" in which we see that she was terminally ill. --Orhan94 11:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
We have no solid evidence for her being alive or dead, and both could be reasonably argued. It's unknown. And besides, we don't even have a status field anymore. --Blueeagleislander 13:34, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I think that the discussion here is about whether the category Deceased Characters should go on this article.--Orhan94 09:42, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Sure we have evidence. Miles talks to dead people. Miles says his mother in line behind him in the Dharma cafeteria his first week on the island.
Until further evidence, it shouldn't. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  11:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
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