Is John bisexual/gay?
So as not to continue an edit war I am opening a little discussion here. Is it possible that Locke could be gay or bisexual.
- 1) Producers say a character will come out as being gay.
- 2) Locke checks out Jack when he steps out of the shower.
- 3) Less reliable: Locke says he was bullied at school as are a lot of homosexual children. Perhaps this bullying caused him to be in denial of his homosexuality leading him to attempt a relationship with a woman. --Princess Dharma (banned) 13:04, 6 February 2007 (PST)
- Pure speculation. He had sex with Helen. People aren't just bullied because they are gay. He wanted to get to know Helen #2 btter. Okay some guys like to see how they "size up" with other guys, until you can confirm that he is saying, "Give me a piece of that" in his mind it will be speculation.--CaptainInsano 13:07, 6 February 2007 (PST)
I wasn't saying that it is just gay kids that are bullied but if he was gay and bullied that would explain his relationship with Helen. It is not speculation at all if I have 3 (O.K one isn't too reliable) sources to back me up. --Princess Dharma (banned) 13:10, 6 February 2007 (PST)
- 1 - 2 - 3. You have made your point now stop and allow others to discuss the issues. Lostpedia does not revolve around you and your opinions. --Princess Dharma (banned) 13:13, 6 February 2007 (PST)
You are messing up this innocent talk page over a trivial issue. This arguement will not continue.--Princess Dharma (banned) 13:17, 6 February 2007 (PST)
May I ask why my comment was deleted there are far more speculative discussions. In addition how is it trolling/vandalism when there is a theory that Tom is gay? I have justified my reasons is this bullying, homophobia or what??? Princess Dharma (banned) 13:52, 22 February 2007 (PST)
We've never seen Locke at school and we have no proof or evidence he is gay and as the theory about Locke being homophobic at school has no basis the theory is just a silly childish comment.13:55, 22 February 2007 (PST)
Do you even know what you are on about. Locke says to Boone that he was not popular. It is not childish I think that is a very homophobic thing to say. Princess Dharma (banned) 13:57, 22 February 2007 (PST)
I don't wish to argue with you, but by making a theory like that, and calling homosexual people unpopular, aren't you merely being homophobic yourself? I would have no problem with Locke being gay but a theory like that was ridiculous.13:59, 22 February 2007 (PST)
Saying homosexual people should be unpopular would be homophobic I am saying that they are a group of people often targeted for bullying at schools. My theory is not rediculous I feel I have backed it up well. Princess Dharma (banned) 14:03, 22 February 2007 (PST)
I'm sorry but I would not think of Locke as someone who would look at others in the shower and I think the theory is not backed up about his schooling and I think the theory is in a word...wrong.14:06, 22 February 2007 (PST)
You are an idiot watch the episode you will see he definately checks out Jack. Princess Dharma (banned) 14:10, 22 February 2007 (PST)
Im sorry but that was clearly a personal attack hehe ! It is out of order to think boy scouts are gay as when i was small i was a scout.14:11, 22 February 2007 (PST)
ARGH HOW MANY MORE FRICKIN TIME IT IS NOT BEING A SCOUT THAT BACKS MY THEORY IT IS THAT HE SAYS HE WAS UNPOPULAR AS A KID NOW KEEP THIS OFF MY TALK PAGE. Princess Dharma (banned) 14:15, 22 February 2007 (PST)
Calm down. Someone needs time to chill. Still saying that he is unpopular is out of order as it is implying that alot of kids are picked on because of their sexuality, however i know a few kids in my school who are very popular and are homosexual.14:17, 22 February 2007 (PST)
I too was a boy scout that doesn't make me gay, neither does being unpopular. I'm sorry, but I don't know what gives you the idea that unpopular kids are gay, as that is really off, gay kids are not necessarily unpopular, and unpopular kids are not necessarily gay.-Mr.Leaf 14:19, 22 February 2007 (PST)
Thank you for backing me up. Some comments just aren't needed here...14:22, 22 February 2007 (PST)
- This is the most silly logic I've ever heard, and I'm slightly scared --Nickb123 (Talk) 13:12, 23 February 2007 (PST)
- This is the funniest discussion page I've ever read, Princess Dharma, you're such a fool. --Blueeagleislander 01:09, 20 March 2007 (PDT)
- I know, this is one of the most entertaining Lostpedia sagas ever. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 09:39, 11 June 2007 (PDT)
I think most people here seem to have missed Princess Dharma's point. She wasn't saying that being unpopular makes someone gay; she was saying that being gay often makes people unpopular. I'm sure some of you know gay people who are popular (so do I), but I also know gay kids who were specifically targeted for bullying for no other reason than they were (or were suspected to be) gay. I'm sure that practice was even more common 40 years ago when Locke would have been in school. So, given that fact that gay kids are often targeted for bullying in school, the fact that Locke was bullied at school could be construed as a possible indication that Locke is the gay character that the producers have mentioned. Personally, I don't think it's Locke, but I don't think it's out of line to bring it up as a possibility on a theories discussion page, and it was pretty harsh to shout her down as if she was trying to state a fact instead of offer a theory for discussion.
He showed a unusual interest in both Walt and Boone, who are nubile young objects of his gay affection. his tears over Boone's death were off camera.--Victorcoutin 09:56, 11 June 2007 (PDT)
Did John really blow the submarine up?
- What do you think? I don't believe he blew it up. He just took it away, swam back to the dock, blew the C4 near the dock and while walking all soaked on the caught by the Others. I think that because :
- He stayed in the Swan so long with Ben, so he knows how Ben manipulates people.
- He was warned by Alex outside the house about his father
- When Ben said "You are going to blow that submarine, aren't you?...I know you John.", he quickly responded "You don't know me."
- He said that he was a commander in the navy when Ben said "it is not easy to use a submarine"
- He did not say he was a commander in the Navy. He said "For all you know I was..." --Bastion 08:34, 27 March 2007 (PDT)
- People have gone around and around about Locke being soaked as he walked down the dock, shortly before the sub exploded. I'll put this to you: who says he was soaked with water? He may have opened internal valves to dump fuel and/or oil into the sub's interior, to help "boost" his lone C-4 charge. --ConspiracyofDetails 08:15, 26 April 2007 (PDT)
I've been thinking and here is my theory.
I think that Locke was at one point in time a member of the DHARMA Initiative. I have no evidence to back this up other than Mikhail remembering him. Could it be that Locke was in another station that was raided by the "Hostiles/Others" and escaped? I cannot think of how Mikhail could recognize him and proclaim to know his past so intimately. Maybe Mikhail was going to "out" him to the Losties and that's why Locke pushed him through the security fence thingie. I mean ever since Locke came upon the island, he has been either searching it or disabling the means to escape or contact the outside world. Perhaps his mission is to return to the Island and secure it again so the DHARMA Initiative can try working on the Valenzetti Equation. Please blow holes in my theory. I don't feel it deserves an entry in the theory page until it has been refined here.15:08, 11 April 2007 (PDT)
- First off, it's good that you are asking for support and holes blown into it. Second, besides there being absolutely no definite evidence for this theory, flashbacks seem to prove otherwise. Mikhail was going to say that Locke was paralyzed, not that he was a DHARMA employee. Remember that it was Mikhail that got all of the info on all of the 815 passengers and crew. Also, in light of recent evidence that Ben was with DHARMA, he would have recognized Locke as also being DHARMA and their conversations would have been very different while Locke was with the Others. I believe we rule out the possibility that the "cameras" are lying to us and that anything we see is a lie (although anything a character says can be). Lastly, on a personal note, I myself don't consider the possibility of any theory that states that any or all of the survivors got on the plane knowing the crash was going to happen to get on the island, whether working for DHARMA or Hanso or the Others or no one at all. macosx 16:17, 11 June 2007 (PDT)
Locke's future on the Island
(Possible mild spoiler)
Michael Emerson was interviewed on the Bob and the Showgram radio show this morning in Raliegh, NC, and said Locke would be appearing in the season finale (season 3), although he didn't elaborate any further than that. He did however mention that he (Ben) shot Locke just below the chest, and that this would somehow be important. He seemed to be hinting that Locke didn't die though.
Error on Miscellaneous Theories page
The coffin link brings you to the wrong coffin page.
What John Knows
Is it possible that Locke was told everything when confronted for the first time by what was apparently the monster? He tells the Losties that he has seen "the eye of the island." Perhaps he has a secret agenda of his own based on that knowledge that leads him to do apparently illogical things (like spending hours opening a hatch instead of finding food).
Alpert is totally testing Locke to see if he's a reincarnation of someone. On the Official Lost Podcast/May 8, 2008, they talked about how they researched Buddhist religion for this epsiode, specifically how the search for the Dalai Lama takes place. Magnus Hanso is a good guess, although it could be someone else. Now that the concept of reincarnation has been brought up by the show, it's something huge to think about - there's the possibility that other characters have been reincarnated as well, possibilities including Ben or Charles Widmore. --Minderbinder 09:51, 12 May 2008 (PDT)
Widmore? Really guys? I think it's overwhelmingly obvious that the "loophole" remark was so that we know it's the same guy Jacob was talking to in the beginning of the episode. -- 00:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)