Talk: Jerome (survivor)

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First Apperance[]

I actually found Jerome in the Pilot epidsode. He can be seen right after the crash running around. He can be identified by his curley hair and glasses.

actor[]

Subordinate to the deletion discussion, what is the source for attributing this character to actor "Jim Mazzarella" (who is at least plausible, since he happens to be listed in our Background cast article). -- ^Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯^Talk01:33, 20 November 2006 (PST)
- A better shot of the same characer in the episode Dave shows him to be Jim Mazzarella.--JoserKyind 12:29, 20 November 2006 (PST)
- How does that show anything, as the best photo of Jim Mazzarella that I know of is the group photo of the Lost background cast, and I thought that image was too small for persuasive comparisons. -- ^Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯^Talk13:37, 7 December 2006 (PST)

This issue has still not been resolved- How do we know that this particular background actor is, in fact, Jim Mazzarella?

Deletion[]

Jabr deleted as per discussion on Nov 30, 2006. However article was recreated Dec 5, with no additional discussion. I'm quick deleting this article again. Please do not re-create the article unless the points above (1. Jerome' existence in transcript, and 2. attribution to a particular background actor Mazarella) are addressed. -- ^Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯^Talk 16:19, 30 December 2006 (PST)

- For the love of god delete this --Jeff 17:56, 18 February 2008 (PST)

keep[]

Jeorme is seen in many circumstances and is even mentioned in the episode 'SOS'. He is seen at Boone's funeral in season 1 and behing Steve and Scott in the episode 'The Moth':

Michael: Scott?

Steve: I'm Steve

Scott: I'm Scott

During the dialog of Steve and Scott, Jerome is stood behind holding a stick.

The above quote has no mention of "Jerome", and is therefore not supporting evidence for the existence of this character, nor the attribution of this character to a particular background actor. -- ^Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯^Talk 00:43, 3 March 2007 (PST)

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Name Jerome

Gender Male

Country Unknown

Occupation Unknown

Episode(s) The Moth, Whatever the Case May Be, Homecoming, Outlaws, ...In Translation, Deus Ex Machina, Do No Harm, The Greater Good, Born to Run, Exodus - Part 1, Exodus - Part 2, Man of Science, Man of Faith, Orientation, Everybody Hates Hugo, Abandoned, Collision, What Kate Did, The 23rd Psalm, The Hunting Party, Fire + Water, The Long Con, Maternity Leave, Dave, S.O.S., Two for the Road, ?, Three Minutes, Live Together, Die Alone, Further Instructions Played By Jim Mazzarella

Jerome was one of the many survivors of Oceanic Flight 815.

When Charlie rushed to the beach to inform the survivors that Jack was caught in a cave collapse, Michael enlisted Scott and Steve to help him, and Jerome tagged along with them. Jerome was also present for Hurley's "Island Open" golf tournament and Jack's climatic putt.

Jerome attended Boone Carlyle's funeral after he passed away from falling off a cliff while still in a Beechcraft which had been lodged in the canopy. He then witnessed the return of Locke who claimed responsibility for the accident, and was attacked by Jack.

Jerome helped along with his fellow survivors in getting the raft on the water, when Danielle Rousseau arrived at the camp to deliver a dire threat about the coming of "The Others.

Jerome welcomed the return of Jin and the new additions of Bernard and Libby when they arrived after having walked across the island.

Jerome was standing beside Sawyer handing out Dharma food in the forest. When Bernard set out to construct his S.O.S., Jerome was speaking with Richard and Craig when he was chosen by Bernard to help. He opted not to participate in the construction of the sign. He was also one of the many people on the beach when Desmond's boat was spotted.

”

--Phil 05:32, 14 February 2007 (PST)

The character description in Phil's comment above appears to be copied from the website LOST Wiki. -- Cheers 10:24, 12 February 2007 (PST)

Reinstate

OK..I've reviewed the season 2 DVD of SOS. In it Bernard says "I've got an idea. Hey, Richard, Craig, (mumbles something like Jerome) come here. "Jerome" also appears in the english subtitles for the statement. I think then that reinstatement of the article is probably fair enough..but I can't confirm the actor is Jim Mazzarella, although Bernard did appear to be looking in the direction of the guy in the fuzzy pic that appeared in this article, when he mumbled what sounded like Jerome Kivipat09:38, 13 February 2007 (PST)

The way shots work usually work in most shows is that the main cast delivers their lines, and the background cast are arranged at the last second by someone very low in the hierarchy (e.g. a 2nd or 2nd2nd AD, in other words someone with no relation to the script or writing staff). Unless specific information is given otherwise, there is no reason to believe a particular background actor is indeed paired as the intended identity of an unseen character specified in the script. Admittedly, on the other hand Lost is a bit unusual in that the beach background cast has relatively little turnover (maybe about 100 people for about 40 slots), and unusual in that in rare cases the background (the scott/steve conversation with Hurley) have actually gotten lines, lines that also incidentally mentioned their names-- therefore resulting in Canonic information that a particular background character has a particular name referenced in lines of dialog. However such as case must be pretty irrefutable: Therefore there needs to be some direct evidence one background actor is Jerome (an unseen character placed into the dialog by the writers), and fan opinions about the general direction Bernard was facing in one take cannot be considered Canon. Even in the case that he clearly faces a character, that is very likely a decision that is not known by the writing staff in California, and will stand as a point of trivia that could easily be overturned (by future trivial canon) in a future episode (e.g. Someone else talks to "Jerome", but a different group of background actors compose the recipients). However, if there is enough evidence (please cite in the proper sections below) that Jerome actually exists, the article for the characters (sans ID photo) could be made.-- ^Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯^Talk 00:51, 3 March 2007 (PST)

Jerome appears in the transcript!--Phil 09:05, 24 February 2007 (PST)

As to the attributions of the character to actor Jim Mazzarella, you will find that in "Dave", the man whom Bernard referst to as "Jerome" can be seen much more clearly and is, in fact the background extra who has been identified as Jim Mazzarella.

Jerome SOS — Jerome in "S.O.S." (far right)

--JoserKyind 18:39, 2 March 2007 (PST)

--Phil 13:20, 3 March 2007 (PST)

Scott Jackson in Exodus — Jerome in "Exodus, Part 1" (right)

Jerome Moth — Jerome in "The Moth"(left)

--Phil 13:31, 3 March 2007 (PST)

Reinstate[]

We have alot of evidence now. Can we not make the article again?--Phil 19:28, 2 March 2007 (PST)

Snow said he'd review it and show the other Sysops.JoserKyind 19:44, 2 March 2007 (PST)

Deletion Review: Evidence for Reinstatement[]

Please place organized evidence here in a bulleted list. Do not sign. Each bullet should provide one piece of evidence that should cite its source; otherwise it will be treated as non-Canonic fan interpretation.

Evidence that Jerome exists[]

List evidence that the actual name "Jerome" is used; List source. This section is NOT for evidence attributing the name to any particular background actor; this section is ONLY for citing existence of this name

Jerome is first seen in The Moth when he stands behind Scott and Steve when they introduce themselves to Michael, after he tells the people at the beach that Jack was trapped in a cave; this evidence is found in the episode.

Not good enough: Please cite evidence that some character is actually named "Jerome"; fan interpretation of background actors is insufficient.

He is seen again at Boone's funeral in The Greater Good; this evidence is found in the episode.

Not good enough: Please cite evidence that some character is actually named "Jerome"; fan interpretation of background actors is insufficient.-->

Jerome is mentioned and seen by Bernard in the episode SOS; this evidence is found in the subtitles in the episode.
Which subtitles? Closed captioning US broadcast? US DVD? Please explicitly state the subtitles verbatim, and perhaps also take a digital photo screencap.
The same character was seen at the supply drop in the episode Dave; this evidence is found in the episode.

Not good enough: Please cite evidence that some character is actually named "Jerome"; fan interpretation of background actors is insufficient.-->

Lost Wikia explicitly explains Jerome in full detail. Maybe you should take a look.

Not good enough - Lost Wikia is not an official (Canon) source. If Lost Wikia cites sources, cite them here.

From the S.O.S._transcript which is transcribed using the U.S. Closed Captioning - BERNARD: I got an idea. [he walks away and goes toward a couple of redshirts] Hey, Richard, Craig, Jerome come here.

Good - This is sufficient to say that Jerome does exist. What is the status of the DVD captioning?

The DVD captioning also says "Jerome".

Evidence that Jerome is actually a particular background actor[]

List evidence; List source. Assuming the name "Jerome" does indeed exist, this section is ONLY for evidence that this name refers to a particular actor. Appearances of a particular actor in particular scenes is irrelevant, unless the name "Jerome" is directly associated with the appearance of that actor.

Jerome could be called a background character in the same way as Richard or Craig is. He is seen at many important happenings eg. the launching of the raft, the first sight of Desmond's sailboat (standing near Claire). This evidence is found in episodes such as Exodus and Live Together, Die Alone
Not good enough - WHAT is the evidence? Please state the evidence, rather than saying "there is some evidence in episode X". In other words, just say it directly. The fact that a fan sees a particular background actor (that the fan believes is Jerome) in multiple scenes is irrelevant. Reference to Richard or Craig is also irrelevant, as those articles might also be reviewed for deletion.
This one is a bit tricky to do on a discussion page, as it requires comparing the appearance of a person in multiple episodes, and that can be sometimes rather difficult to do with or without screencaps. This is mostly a case of me providing tips on what to look for, then you checking for yourself by watching the relevent scenes in the However, when watching the scene where Bernard calls out to Craig, Richard, and Jerome, the three extras he's speaking to each respond individually to a different name. Chris Candella and Bryan Sato each respond to Craig and Richard, respectively, while the third man, responds to "Jerome". This indicates that this particular extra can then be deemed Jerome. Now, this extra has slightly curly hair, glasses, and is wearing a yellow, button-up shirt. In the first scene where Bernard describes his sign-making plan, a slightly curly-haired man, wearing glasses and a yellow button-up shirt can be seen much more clearly. The same man can be seen even more clearly in "Dave" at the newly-arrived Dharma food. Facial comparisons show him to be one of the background extras who can be seen many times in the series beginning with the episode "The Moth".

Good evidence. If the article is recreated, a screencap from the scene with Bernard (and no other) should be used for the infobox.

Evidence that a particular background actor is Jim Mazzarella[]

List evidence; List source

The actor recognised as Jim Mazzarella is present at all occasions when Jerome is seen, and is even referenced to as the actual character in SOS. This evidence can be gathered from multplie episodes such as Homecoming, Outlaws, Do No Harm and The Long Con.
Not good enough - WHO "recognizes" him? WHAT evidence is gathered? WHERE is the evidence that a particular background actor is Jim Mazzarella. Maybe another individual is Jim Mazzarella. In other words, a comparison of a promo headshot, with a an episode closeup would be sufficient. Also, personal communication from Mazzarella would be sufficient.
The only evidence I can give is the list of background actors compiled on message board with some help from background actors Bryan Sato and Faith Fay.

Although not an official source for the main article content, this external link may be added with a brief explanation in the "External links" section.

I can now confirm that the actor who plays Jerome is, in fact, Jim Mazzarella. On the lost-tv message boards, Lynne Wood, one of the background extras confirmed his identity on here own thread. The relavent discussion can be found on the fifth page of the thread, here. I will go ahead and edit the article to reflect this.

General comments: These above sections are for explicit citations of evidence. Simply claiming "the evidence is in episode X" is insufficient. If there is evidence, now is the time, and this is the place to say it, as clearly as possible, so that someone that has never seen Lost would believe it.

Deletion Review Discussion (Feb and Mar 2007)[]

In light of new evidence provided above, this discussion is a deletion review to consider reinstatement of a previously-deleted article.
Please place discussion of issue here:, beginning with Overturn or Endorse deletion:

Overturn - Overturn deletion and relist article. The use of the name "Jerome" on both US closed-captioning and the DVD captioning are sufficient, and Canon. I'm still on the fence regarding pairing of "Jerome" with the background actor "Jim Mazzarella", but at this point I'm comfortable with creating an article for [[Jerome]]. -- ^Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯^Talk 16:40, 3 March 2007 (PST)
Overturn - I can accept the hesitance regarding crediting the role to Jim Mazzarella.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by JoserKyind (talk • contribs) .
Overturn - A small article simply stating that a Jerome exsists on the Island should be made. --Blueeagle islander 16:55, 3 March 2007 (PST)
Overturn Princess Dharma (banned)
Overturn although i'm very hesitant about giving him an actor just yet, saying Jim Mazzarella is the most likely candidate for the role on the page somewhere however. -Mr.Leaf 18:41, 3 March 2007 (PST)
Overturn although I am not fully sure of the actor, I am sure "Jerome" exists on the Island--Phil 06:39, 4 March 2007 (PST)
Overturn the evidence was good enough for me --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 07:15, 4 March 2007 (PST)
Overturn: In my opinion, the evidence presented for the character woutweighs the evidence that he is in fact a character on the island. However, with that said, I would not give Jim Mazzarella the role of being "Jerome" just yet. If it its possible to get in touch with the actor and get words from his mouth that would be spectacular. --Marik7772003 05:52, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

Preliminary conclusion: It's looking like "Overturn", although we'll let the discussion continue: The character "Jerome" does exist, and there is a scene that hints that it is a particular background actor. However at this point in the evidence gathering, there is no conclusive evidence that this is Jim Mazzarella, and therefore no actor should be assigned if the article "Jerome" is recreated. However, the theory about the background actor's identity may be added to the article's theory tab.-- ^Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯^Talk 17:04, 4 March 2007 (PST)

RESULT: Deletion overturned. Jerome does exist according to the transcript (closed-captioning and DVD), and may be reasonably identified with a particular member of the background cast. However, as yet there is no evidence that this background cast member is Jim Mazzarella. -- ^Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯^Talk 15:04, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

Walkabout[]

While re-watching Season 1, I noticed that the extra eventually identified as Jerome can be seen multiple times in the episode Walkabout, making his first appearance three episodes earlier than The Moth. I'm editing the article to acknowledge this.JoserKyind 13:40, 15 March 2007 (PDT)

Good work. Presumably the beach redshirt cast was set for the Pilot, so 1x01-1x02 would be another place to look carefully for him. -- ^Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯^Talk 14:14, 15 March 2007 (PDT)

I did check those episodes, as well, and I thought that I may have seen him a couple of times, but it was always too quick, too blurry, or his back was turned, thus preventing any positive identification.JoserKyind 10:58, 19 March 2007 (PDT)

It appears to me like this article is actually decent, if not one of the better background cast articles now that the character has actually been addressed by name. Does anyone have a problem with removing the stub/need images tags? Hooper talk contribs email 14:00, 19 March 2007 (PDT)

Plagiarism[]

Essentially, the current text of the "on the island" part of this article is a word for word copy from the equivalent article from LOST Wiki. Although LOST Wiki is generous enough to allow copy of its material under the conditions of the GNU FD License, the requirements of the GFDL are in fact not met by Lostpedia in the present case (in particular, the requirements of providing a link to the history for keeping track of the original authors and of releasing Lostpedia's own material under the same license, which currently is -unfortunately- not the case). Besides, in any case, copy of another website's work is still bad form, IMHO. -- -- Cheers (talk) 16:29, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

Seriously?[]

Can't we just merge this and the other similar background extra articles back into the background cast article? Yes this dude has been seen in the show since day 1 but why really attribute a name to him? Because he was standing with two other extras, Bernard said three names and three guys looked up? You must admit it's slightly ridiculous. The only plane survivors deserving of seperate articles are the ones that already have them: Sayid, Claire, Jack, Hurley, Shannon, Sawyer, Walt, Jin, Sun, Kate, Charlie, Locke, Michael, Boone, Mr. Eko, Ana Lucia, Libby, Nikki, Paulo, Rose, Bernard, Cindy, Arzt, the pilot and the marshal. This background actor stuff is getting ridiculous. One article on the background cast and one general article on the surviors of 815 is enough. Especially since no one can truly verify names for the extras. --Jeff 17:55, 18 February 2008 (PST)

Did the podcast kill off Steve instead of Jerome?[]

There's been some talk that the 5/8/08 Podcast says that Steve is dead. For the record, here's the relevant portion of the transcript:

Damon: Carlton it's been killing me, I know steve supposedly went with Locke so I want to know if the first meatsock that got shot was in fact Steve?

Damon: Steve - was that him?

Carlton: No, that was actually Doug.

Damon: Now, Doug was the guy who was holding the wood [they giggle], but then somebody else comes running out of the - out of the - house behind him, and there is speculation that that is in fact Steve.

Carlton: Oh yeah, that, that -

Damon: That was Steve

Carlton: [Sadonically] *That* guy was Steve.

Damon: That was steve. [giggles]

Carlton: He wasn't the *first* guy shot.

Damon: Exactly.

Personally, I think they were just joking around. The question is whether the first person shot is Steve, and Damon is very serious sounding when he says it's Doug that is shot first. Then Damon brings up the idea that maybe it's the second guy shot, and Carlton agrees, but by this point they are giggling and Carlton is replying sardonically. But I'll leave it to others to battle this one out. I'll just say, if Steve is really dead, then this leaves Jerome's fate in the air, since we had him tagged as the second meatsock. --Jackdavinci

Steve was seen in There's No Place Like Home, Part 2 & 3, so we can assume that Steve is alive and Jerome is dead. Crash815 19:58, 4 December 2008 (PST)

That's assuming, of course, that we agree with the current site-wide assumption that background extra Dustin Watchman has been playing Steve ever since Scott died. As far as I know, this assumption only comes from Watchman himself stating so. I don't think Damon and Carlton are even aware that the extra who played either Steve or Scott has been seen on the beach in Season 4. The fact that they just casually decided that the second guy shot was Steve, when we already know him as Jerome, pretty much indicates that they don't pay attention to the designations of background extras. --Celebok 22:07, October 7, 2010 (UTC)