Tense confusion
This article really needs some attention in terms of grammatical consistency. There's a big section that switches to present tense, but the normal way of doing things on this wiki seems to be to use past tense for character articles, and for good reason. If I have time and if no one else changes it, I'll make the modifications myself...but consider this my plea for someone else to do it! =D Datameister 23:29, 1 May 2008 (PDT)
Vote For Sawyer!!!
Vote for the Sawyer matchup in Redeye He's currently losing to Jack Bauer (24) so go on and vote!!
Re: "Zeke."
Sawyer doesn't call *anyone* by a real name. Seems more likely "Zeke" is one of his on-the-fly nicknames. In his first encounters with the tailies he also uses nicknames, I believe, before any sort of meeting. I'm not going to change it, since it's not mine, but I think that's a bit much for a theory. I mean, the guy does look sort of prospector-like, after all.
- I absolutely agree with this. He calls Locke Mr. Clean and Daniel Boone and has pet names for everyone. I doubt there is any "pre-island" recognition of the "other" he calls Zeke.
I wonder if Sawyer (or 'James Ford') ever calls anyone by their real name. Maybe we should start a list; 'Nicknames set by Sawyer'. Its interesting to note he goes under a nickname himself. --GodEmperorOfHell 22:02, 20 January 2006 (PST)
According to http://dict.die.net/sawyer/ A "Sawyer" is someone who cuts wood. Interesting given that Sawyer is often shown cutting wood, and that Hurley comments on this when Jack is cutting wood while pissed off at Sawyer, accusing Jack of "transference." --User:Craniac
- In which episode did Hurley say this? I've been wracking my brains trying to find it. --Amberjet11 14:09, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
- What Kate Did, 30th minute --Perpetka 15:23, 3 July 2006 (PDT)
A maintained list of nicknames can be found here http://lost-forum.com/archive/index.php/t-5320.html --MRNasher
Not as complete as LostPedia's ;-) --Jambalaya 06:53, 13 March 2006 (PST)
Character Traits.
He continually asserts himself as a heartless liar, which Kate believes he uses to keep everyone hating him.
He seems to thrive on hate and rejection, yet is fostering a relationship with Kate and possibly enjoying the fact that she is a lair and criminal like him.
He uses his good looks and bad-boy charm to get what he wants. But Equally uses them to turn people against him.
Goes out of his way to antagonise Sayid and Jack.
Extremely selfish and manipulative but not without a heart at times.
Can be just as helpful as he can be a hiderance... as in the building of the raft and setting up the triangulator rig with Sayid. --MRNasher
Clearly afraid of commitment as in the past having family has brought him so much pain, he doesn't let anyone too close to him because he's afraid something will happen to them and he will get hurt by it. Whenever he's helpful, he's getting something out of it. I'd call him a satanist. --skks 09:27, 12 March 2006 (PST)
He is amazingly peppery.. almost a reverse of Kate in how he deals with his issues. They are similar and that has to be part of the attraction they have.
Yes. Even in building the boat I think Michael hits the nail on the head. He either wants out of there or to die.
He gives people things from his stash occasionally (i.e. without payment) but often throws it back in their face. Possibly to help perpetuate and renew the loathing. He seems to respect it when someone stands up to him. --MRNasher
Re: he has never been to the caves. Not true, he has. Confronts Sayid in caves after Sayid's escape from Danielle.--SouthernComfort
He takes any oppertunity to take off his top. I'm not complaining, but for example, on the raft, when the rudder falls off he has to take off his shirt before jumping in. Once again, I have to point out, I'm NOT complaining, just making a point!--Lucy 13:59, 14 July 2006 (PDT)
Has anyone noticed how white Sawyer's teeth are in Season Five? Bernard must be doing some amazing island dentistry!--Improvsensation 06:57, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
"Fleshed out" article is not LostPedia "policy" ?
User:Mmoose has made a nice fleshed out version of this article, but I seriously think there's too much text. I mean, every article on LostPedia contains lists of bullet points instead of long paragraphs with text. This version is much harder to read and maintain IMO. Could I suggest that we revert to the bullet point version to improve readability? --Jambalaya 17:05, 25 March 2006 (PST)
I'm not sure what he means by "Fleshed Out". Also, the tables shouldn't be manually created like this. There is already a template for this that takes variables so the changes can be done at the template to affect all of the characters. I think the bullet points are better and we should revert back to them.
Jabberwock talk contribs email - 17:12, 25 March 2006 (PST)
With your blessing, I reverted it. --Jambalaya 17:36, 25 March 2006 (PST)
Yeah i agree.. the bullet list nature of the 'facts' just makes it easier to add to and contribute. If these things were set in stone and didn't need continued amendment and review it would be ideal to biography the character properly. The list system also helps collect together data that can be quickly read and amended without symantics getting in the way.
Its always worth trying something new, you never know you might just nail a great idea. --MRNasher
New Points
Just as a point of fun.. should we mention in his "Before" that he contracted a venereal disease in Tallahassee. :P
We know he is a card shark now too and can deal off the bottom of a deck.. looks like hes more than just a con-man.. hes the con-man's con-man. Looks like he dabbles in all aspects of his dark trade.--MRNasher
And yet Jack beat him. Makes me wonder if the game was a set-up to get the medical supplies back. Wouldn't that be a hoot, the "con-man's con-man" conned.--Tricksterson 09:44, 31 March 2006 (PST)
He can't be all bad!
Children (Aaron) and animals (Vincent) seem to love him! ;) Should there be a "redeeming qualities" segment? --Amberjet11 13:21, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
Jengod, good work enumerating more people who share friendship (sort of) with Sawyer, and the subtle nuances of his need to be hated. Maybe his calling Jack a friend is another way of tormenting himself. --Amberjet11 14:19, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
List of People who Know he is James Ford
Is there a list of people on the island who know that Sawyer's real name is James Ford? It might have been on the manifest, but if he didn't tell anyone, how did The Others know his name is associated to "Sawyer"? Or, if he did tell someone, who was it and did they inform The Others? --Squashua 13:22, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
- Hurley knows because he had the manifest
- Locke knows " " "
- Jack and Kate probably know because Locke called him James twice during THP
Dunno about others or Others. Jengod 13:23, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
- Michael knows because Ms. Klugh told him in Three Minutes. --Amberjet11 20:54, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
I thought Kate knew ever since reading his letter in the first season. --Amberjet11 14:10, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
- She only knew Sawyer wasn't his real name. We didn't see him tell her what his real name was. Jengod 14:18, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
- Kate just learned Sawyer's real name in The Glass Ballerina--Myk 13:18, 14 October 2006 (PDT)
Does the manifest say "James 'Sawyer' Ford"? --Amberjet11 14:10, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
- No, but if Hurley connected everyone on the list to a survivor on the Island in order to determine that Ethan was an Other, he must have put Sawyer's face to the name James Ford. Jengod 14:17, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
- How was Hurley able to put Sawyer's face to the name? I would consider this an Unanswered Question. Also, how and when did he introduce himself as "Sawyer"? --Amberjet11 20:56, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
So the definites are:
- Sawyer (duh)
- Michael, but was told by the Others.
- Hurley
- Locke
- Kate
The maybes are:
- Jack
Makes you wonder how the Others knew his name. Curious that the only one not listed (besides Michael) on the Others' request list is Locke, and he definitely knows Sawyer's true name.
- I always figured the Others had access to the passenger manifest. In Maternity Leave, Mr. Friendly tells Ethan he was supposed to have made a list *before* taking Claire...so they have a list of names somewhere.--Amberjet11 12:15, 24 May 2006 (PDT)
Cigarettes
After the crash Sawyer smokes a lot. Then probably he runs out of cigarettes, which is understanable. But does he smoke in any of the flashbacks? --Perpetka 15:48, 3 July 2006 (PDT)
- Yes, In "confidence man," when he's in the pool hall with his partner, he's smoking.
Heather 21:28, 19 June 2007 (PDT)Heather
Rewrite
Im beginning to do a rewrite, but should i refer to him as saywer or james?
Ok so ive just finished doing part of the rewrite, does anyone have anything to add or say about it? --MitchellA
Yeah, I made a couple rewrites that you can feel free to use or change back:
Original:
Since the age of 8, James was dragged into a life of crime, when he witnessed his parents being murdered after they were swindled out of their life savings by a man known as Sawyer. James wrote a letter to this man which he could never part from, and he one day hoped to deliver it to him personally.
Just a minor change here:
At the age of 8, James was dragged into a life of crime; his parents were swindled out of their life savings by a man known as Sawyer, who slept with James' mother. James ultimately witnessed his father murder his mother, and finally turn the gun on himself in despair. James wrote a letter to this man which he could never part from, hoping to deliver it personally.
Original:
"Dropping out of school in the ninth grade, at the age of 19, James himself became a con man after he owed someone $6,000, and adopted the name of the man resposible for his parent's death. He was persistent to track down the original Sawyer to have his vengance."
I think that's just a little too short... also it almost sounds like he dropped out of his freshman year at nineteen ;)
I'm also putting this in:
Having dropped out of school in the ninth grade, James himself became a confidence man at the age of 19. A time came when James owed some men $6,000, he then attempts to use the same confidence trick as his nemesis in order to obtain the money. Finally, Ford adopts the name of the man resposible for his parent's death. He was persistent to track down the original Sawyer to have his vengance, and to give him the letter he wrote as a child. Despite his vendetta against Sawyer, James has become the very man he has been hunting... Sawyer later employed his earlier method on a woman named Jessica and her husband, David. James tried to swindle the couple out of $160,000. However, Sawyer abruptly decides to call off the deal after looking into the eyes of his marks' son.
Just a humanizing part of his character, thought it was important.
Original:
"Hibbs has once again tricked Sawyer, making him his common mercenary after Duckett had offended him previously. Revelling from the reality that he was killed an innocent man, Sawyer runs."
Really tiny change, but I think it's an important part:
Hibbs has once again tricked Sawyer, making him his common mercenary after Duckett had offended him previously. Duckett reveals his innocence to Sawyer and makes the ambiguous statement: "It'll come back around..." with his dying breaths. Revelling from the reality that he has murdered an innocent man, Sawyer runs.
Feel free to change it. Keep up the good work man.
-Kameroun
--Kameroun 09:20, 25 September 2006 (PDT)
Thanks their alot better, im not the best at re-writes but i thought i'd give it a go thanks for the help--MitchellA
Leftie?
I'm not so sure that his usage of his left hand to write the prices on the necklaces suggests that he's left handed; i was under the impression that sometimes conmen used their secondary hand to write things, so that their handwriting is harder to track.--NotARedHerring 12:00, 24 October 2006 (PDT)
- Doesn't he shoot left too? I think I read that somewhere. Jengod 20:51, 20 November 2006 (PST)
He shot the bear with his left hand.
Klick
In The Long Con after Sun was attacked I'm almost positive he told Jack he found Sun half a Klick from the beach
- You're right. It's in the Long Con transcript:
JACK: She's okay. She's okay. She's going to be alright. You need to let me take care of her, alright. [to Sawyer] Where'd you find her?
SAWYER: I heard her scream. Found her out in the jungle about a half a click from here.
--Amberjet11 07:25, 3 November 2006 (PST)
Father?
Should Sawyer be added to Category: Fathers? >: 4 8 15 16 23 42 14:51, 5 November 2006 (PST)
- I think yes, and I'm guessing that ODDS MEN (anagram) will be in that cat by season's end as well. Jengod 20:50, 20 November 2006 (PST)
i think he should
Unanswered Questions
- In Sawyer's first flashback, he owes money to "Kilo" because he borrowed his money to do the con. Then, when he decides not to do the con on Jessica and Dan, he drops both brief cases (aka all the money) and eaves it at Dan's house. And the flashback ended there. There was no resolution. Unless I'm missing something... J52y 3:15 (PST) 1st December
- From the main article: What is the significance of the dart that he stepped on in "Tricia Tanaka is Dead"? Seems like a stretch that it was only used as an excuse for Kate and Sawyer to stop walking and talk to each other.
- Sometimes things just happen. We already knew about the darts, so it's not a cheat to use them as a plot device. If you want an added bonus, they give us an idea that Kate and Sawyer are fairly close to the Lostie's camp. --Bastion 08:24, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
- We allready know the history of the dart. During the time Sawyer and Kate were locked up in the cages the hatch imploded and everything in it landed all over the island, including the dart and the ping pong-table Hurley and Jin later on found and brought to the becah. --User:Ippa 12.35, 4 feb 2008 (PDT)
- Sometimes things just happen. We already knew about the darts, so it's not a cheat to use them as a plot device. If you want an added bonus, they give us an idea that Kate and Sawyer are fairly close to the Lostie's camp. --Bastion 08:24, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
- From the main article: Why did Sayer say to Kate "Why did you kill me?" Is it in connection with Kate' dad or something else?
- When is this? I have a suspicion that it was just a mishearing. --Bastion 08:24, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
- This is referring to when Sawyer was sleeping recovering from his infection due to the gunshot from the raft and Kate was caring for him (season 2). The flashbacks during the episode "What Kate did" if i remember correctly showed get this, what Kate did, killing her father. She also sees the horse that reminds here of the flashback in this episode. We are led to believe that somehow due to the specialness of the island that briefly Kate's father possessed Sawyers body and asked her "Why did you kill me?". Then he passed back out. She also reveals that she is attracted to Sawyer because he reminds her of her father (typical). --Kavorka 17:32, 13 May 2008 (PDT)
- When is this? I have a suspicion that it was just a mishearing. --Bastion 08:24, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
- When Jack is treating Sawyer for his headaches and messes with him by asking if he "slept with a prostitute", "had a STD", and "when was the last breakout", Sawyer reacts by getting mad and running leading us to believe he has an STD. Kate even comments to Jack "how did you know?". So what STD does he have? and how come Kate appears not to care and sleeps unprotected with him anyway? My money is on the Herp, and Kate already has it so she doesn't care.--Kavorka 17:37, 13 May 2008 (PDT)
Tom Sawyer
Like Lost's Sawyer, the Mark Twain's Sawyer was also somewhat of a con artist and a natural born rebel. The hanging question is, who is our Sawyer's Huckleberry Finn? Further, is there a Becky Thatcher or Jim in the mix? - platypusrex April 6, 2007
Rename
Ok, so no one's actually started a discussion on this. Whatever. I assume that whoever put the tag up is of the opinion that we should omit Sawyer from the title because it is just a nickname. However, if I may quote the proposed Manual of Style, "If the character goes by a very common nickname, maintain it in quotes (")" Clearly, Sawyer goes by a very common nickname. Only the Others and sometimes Kate call him James. I therefore strongly vote Don't Rename.Triptolemus 15:49, 26 April 2007 (PDT)
Don't Rename, per Triptolemus's comments. -PsychoYoshi 17:09, 26 April 2007 (PDT)
- Don't rename--I third that emotion. I imagine if you refered to Sawyer as James out of his presence, most of the characters would still be "Wuh?" And even Kate switches back and forth depending on her feelings toward him in a given scene. Jengod 18:46, 30 April 2007 (PDT)
Rename, It sounds much better than James "Sawyer Ford. that is what could stand in the character box abowe the picture of the character or could stand just when the article starts. Not the article itself --Wilbraham Williams 08:34, 26 May 2007 (PDT)
Don't Rename - its ridiculous to rename him. The idea of renaming the general non-obsessive Lost fan's best identifiable character is ridiculous - Yes he is James Ford, the bruised, hurt, scarred child who watched his mother killed by his father but he's also the confidendence man and super-sarcastic anti-hero we all know as Saywer. D CREMIN 26 May 2007
Rename with a redirect from Sawyer. Yeah why not 20:48, 26 May 2007 (PDT)
Don't Rename - see above comments :) --XMariex 02:52, 27 May 2007 (PDT)
The Brig Info Change
A few pages need to be updated and reconfigured. Sawyer said his mother's name was "Mary", so the old one still says "Brooke". That needs to be fleshed out. Also, it says that Sawyer is from Knoxville, TN, but he said that he was from Jasper, AL in tonights episode. Paccali 21:48, 2 May 2007 (PDT)
Hearts and Minds
We've seen Sawyer in police office in Boone flashback. Which day was it? I suppose, it's the night he commited the kill, he get drunk afterwards and was arrested for the drunk fight. It's only a theory, of course, but his appearance seem to be not mentioned in article at all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Malachi (talk • contribs) 2007-06-21T07:55:00.
The order of the cons
What evidence is there that the con which took place in "Confidence Man" (the one Sawyer pulled out of) took place before the con of Cassidy in "The Long Con"? Kidburla 07:53, 17 November 2007 (PST)
New Photo
Should his photo be changed to this one?
http://www.imagebam.com/image/50410f20019737
Biblical Connection
In the biblical connections section, there is some conflicting viewpoints. From the looking around that I've done, James is similar to Jacob in Hebrew. I gather it comes from the name Jacobos, and that the names are used interchangeably when referring to biblical characters. Unfortunately, it seems like there is an ongoing debate on the main page. Is there any way we can remove this section until we come to a consensus. It doesn't look very pro. Cheers. Ketamonkey 05:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
How did they know his name was Sawyer?
I've just started watching Season 1 again. In the scene where Kate and the others are running from the polar bear she yells Sawyer's name. Prior to this moment, Sawyer's name is never mentioned, so how could Kate know it? In fact, at no point does he refer to himself as Sawyer. How could anyone know his name is Sawyer?