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I wouldn't say Otherville is on Hydra Island, simply because of the first episode this season, which made it seem pretty clear that Otherville was on the main island. Bengl 18:58, 25 October 2006 (PDT)

It most certainly is not. Otherville is factually in the island. --Sauron18 19:18, 25 October 2006 (PDT)
Agreed. Ben says Hydra Island is twice the size of Alcatraz. The island where Otherville is located is much larger. --Mramsey 19:20, 25 October 2006 (PDT)
Not to mention we see it's actually connected to where the the tail crashes. --Sauron18 19:21, 25 October 2006 (PDT)

Merge

Merge The Hydra Island Lookout appears to just be a place near the coast of the Hydra Island, not a proper location -- Paladine<c.t> 19:06, 25 October 2006 (PDT)

Yeah, I went ahead and just deleted the other, because there is no info on it that can't be said here. I am taking off the Merge tag now. --PandoraX 19:07, 25 October 2006 (PDT)

The French Chick

  • Haha that wise bitch. Okay for those of you that don't know: Okay on one of Danielle's maps she labelled a small island at the bottom of the map. Its is labelled Alex. First I thought it was a tribute to her daughter, but it isn't. She has known that is where Alex is/was.--CaptainInsano 19:13, 25 October 2006 (PDT)
    • Indeed, I'm looking for the maps right now to check out the layout :p --Sauron18 19:20, 25 October 2006 (PDT)
I have never found a sceen shot of the image. But people have seen it was there.--CaptainInsano 19:21, 25 October 2006 (PDT)
Well, teh "Alex" thing is most noticeable in a "Side View" Map, which was released at some point by ABC, and it also points out the crater. However, the best map, in my opinion, is the "Top View" map, which is this one [1], which would be good if released officially by ABC (the island you see in this map is not the "Alex Island", the "Alex Island" is near the bottom, but it's covered here. --Sauron18 19:42, 25 October 2006 (PDT)

Live Together, Die Alone

Didn't someone somewhere say that they had seen an island in the distance when Michael was sailing away at the end of Season 2? I swear that i read that somewhere.... Worth noting?--NotARedHerring 23:50, 25 October 2006 (PDT)

I think many people thought (and I still think) this was a continuity error that wasn't intentional, because of the area they filmed in (difficult to avoid Chinaman's Hat, which was the small island seen in the distance, though very faintly). It does, however, fit the plot well, but I think this was coincidence. --PandoraX 05:13, 26 October 2006 (PDT)

As I remember Chinaman's Hat, it's not very big and not far from shore in a bay. Of course, there could be more than one island with that name.--Mramsey 05:24, 26 October 2006 (PDT)

Here is an idea.

In the unanswered questions section it asks, "How has How has no one on the main island seen the Hydra Island?" Well, the first thought that comes to my mind is Tom (Mr. Friendly) told the Losties not to pass a certain line. Perhaps the island is on the other side of this line. This does not answer the question if Pala Ferry was visible from Hydra island or if Sayid's group ever sailed within sight of this island. I didn't think this was important enough to put in the article itself, but I did want to mention it. --Mr Vain 01:38, 26 October 2006 (PDT)

To the first thing, the survivors have clearly explored little of the entire island, just a few sections close to them and a few far, but have certainly never gone all around it. To the second thing, the Pala Ferry doesn't seem to be in sight of the island, for reasons I will mention now. For the last thing, and also answering the second, Sayid and S&J didn't pass the island, it was very clearly stated on the episode, by Colleen, that they needed to go and stop them for that specific reason, so that they wouldn't find them, and she meant the Hydra Island, no Otherville since Otherville is inland and could not be seen from shore. --Sauron18 04:23, 26 October 2006 (PDT)

Unanswered No More

Some of the Unanswered Questions were given answers, which led to discussions. Here they are. -Beardog4314 15:48, 26 October 2006 (PDT)

  • How has no one on the main island seen the Hydra Island?
    • The beach on which the Losties are settled might be on the other side of the island that is NOT facing the "Hydra Island" because, if I'm correct, the Losties never traveled around the entire island on the beach therefore they would never have seen the "Hydra Island".
      • Even if the lostaways haven't fully explored the island, Desmond spent days sailing around it - wouldn't he have seen it in that time?
        • Maybe the reason Desmond didn't see it, is that this smaller island also has it's own magnetic system keeping the boat from ever reaching it, and if that is true than that is why Desmond could never get passed or near that island and if you get passed this island than that is how you get rescued.
        • If true, this could explain why Ben told Micheal to go in a specific direction, which they would turn off the magnetic system for them to pass, or maybe they will end up like Desmond and return later this season.
  • If Hydra Island is where the cages for the Polar Bears are, how did they get to the main island?
    • Polar Bears can swim in open water several miles from land. The distance between the two islands is not specified, though it looks to be a distance of several miles at the minimum.
  • How come Karl didn't seem to know he was on an island when he asked Sawyer how far it was to his camp?
    • Karl asks from where they took you, how far was it from your camp. He thinks he can escape the island somehow.

Live Together, Die Alone Possibility?

Thanks to misfit, I remember seeing an island in 2x24 Live Together, Die Alone. Could this be the Hydra island? or is it the wrong shape and size?

--Ohmyn0 (talk) 16:20, 26 October 2006 (PDT)


YES! I remember this! LOSTed noticed this in their cartoons I remember, and I added it back in August I think on the bloopers page, so I copyright this find hehe! Nah, yeah very valid theory --Nickb123 (Talk) 10:02, 29 October 2006 (PST)\

That is Chinaman's Hat in Hawaii. It is a blooper resulting from the actual filming location.--ASEO 07:38, 9 March 2007 (PST)

Rename this article

The Hydra Island is a very uninspired name for this article! I would like to nominate this article for a rename. --Airwaver 06:12, 4 November 2006 (PST)

A perfect picture from "Every Man for Himself"

As Ben reveals Sawyer that they're on a different island, Sawyer looks back and a view of most of the island is visible. Can someone catch that picture and upload it? Thanks,  ODK Talk   Sandbox 11:25, 28 November 2006 (PST)

  • I know which one you're referring to (it actually reminded me a bit of that scene in Dark City) I'll try to get a screencap of it today.

New Theroy About There Only Being One Island

i've just come up with this idea, which could prove there only being one island. i shall do my best to draw it here.


   |         _______________________________
   |         |                             |
   |         |                             |
   |__3______|                             |
                                           |
                                           |
                                           |         5
       _____               4               |
      /  1  \                              |
     /      |                              |
    |       |                              |
     \  2   |______________________________|
      \____________________________________________________________________
       


1: The point where Ben took Sawyer

2: The Hydra station

3: The point Sawyer saw

4: The Ocean - It stretchs so far across, he couldn't see where the two points (1 + 3) where connected

5: The rest of the Island


Now i know this isnt the shape of the island, but you can probably see what i'm gettin at here. the main point to look at is 4. Tell me what you think --- Malachi Dungeon

The producers have already debunked this. Plus '5' most be around 25 miles away for Sawyer not to see it.--CaptainInsano 08:28, 15 January 2007 (PST)


Where did they deadbunk it?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Malachi Dungeon (talkcontribs) .
On the prodcast.--CaptainInsano 08:55, 3 February 2007 (PST)

Rename?

OK so I didn't nominate this for renaming, because I'm not totally sure of this. However, as the producers call it "Alcatraz"(for the most part) and in the press releases it says "Alcatraz", should we not rename this to Alcatraz? As I said, I'm not entirely sure about this - I think the name Hydra Island suits it really well and is what people would more-than-likely search for - I just wanted to know what people thought. :) --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  04:42, 3 February 2007 (PST)

Agree Alcatraz is much better than Hydra Island. --Princess Dharma (banned)05:14, 3 February 2007 (PST)

  • Disagree Ben referred to it as the size of Alcatraz. It is not Alcatraz island. Alcatraz is completely different. It would be misleading to visitors to the site and isn't right. It would be like calling the main island "Craphole Island" because one character referred to it as that. -Mr.Leaf 08:53, 3 February 2007 (PST)

Merge with Hydra?

  • No --Nickb123 (Talk) 15:53, 18 February 2007 (PST)
  • No Hydra is already big enough to be launching spin off articles. Also, if you're going to nominate an article for merging, please make some sort of supporting point in discussion or we'll think you don't really care ;-) --Jackdavinci 15:39, 19 February 2007 (PST)
  • Nope--CaptainInsano 15:40, 19 February 2007 (PST)
  • No way --Slugless 16:24, 20 February 2007 (PST)
  • Nah --Blueeagleislander 22:09, 20 February 2007 (PST)
  • No I will not even go on to say why. Princess Dharma (banned) 12:53, 21 February 2007 (PST)
  • No There two completley different things, don't even think about merging them, one is an island, the other is a station.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jabadibah (talkcontribs) .
  • No-Mr.Leaf 13:10, 21 February 2007 (PST)
  • Okay, I really messed this one up as I did not intend this page to be merged. I disagree, and that it should not be merged with The Hydra. --SilvaStorm
  • its a seperate place...so no...~quint
  • Decision Clear consensus, removing tag. --PandoraX 07:06, 22 February 2007 (PST)

Answer to Question (What part did a remote facility play in the DHARMA Initiative?)

I took this one off the question list because I dont think the answer is very controversial.

  • What part did a remote facility play in the DHARMA Initiative?

Hydra Island was the DHARMA Initiative's animal research facility. The Blast Door Map mentions projects related to Polar Bears and Sharks. The Polar Bear cages and Aquarium facilities at the Hydra Station confirm this.

  • As well as Tom mentioning that Sawyer and Kates cages used to house polar bearsVoodoo 16:11, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

rename to the "Hydra island" or the "Hydra Station island"

We should really refer to it as "the Hydra island" (or "the Hydra Station island"), a descriptive term, rather than "Hydra Island", a name. "The" should appear in general usage but probably not in the article title. No one except fans call it "Hydra Island". Capitalizing "island" is as improper as calling the main island "Main Island". --Jackdavinci 19:14, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

  • No. It doesn't have an official name, so I don't think it's wrong to call it Hydra Island, and if thats the name we give it, would it not be fine to capitalize "island"?Voodoo 16:10, 11 April 2007 (PDT)
  • No. Debates like this are pointless when a shorter, more well-known name is just as good. I'm reminded of the whole Johnathan "John" Locke ordeal. Sometimes shorter is better.   Mr Vain    talk    contribs    email   16:38, 11 April 2007 (PDT)
  • That's fine for "station" but doesn't address the "Island" vs "island" issue. --Jackdavinci 10:36, 13 April 2007 (PDT)


First introduced in season 1?

  • If the Hydra island was seen on Rousseas maps in early season 1, wouldn't that mean that it was introduced in season 1? -- benlinus 23:26, 09 jUNE 2007 (PDT)
No as it was only really discovered and introduced in Season 3. A little clue could have been dropped but that's the same with a lot of Island mysteries. --Nickb123 (Talk) 05:01, 9 June 2007 (PDT)
It's worth listing both, like Jacob was first mentioned a long time before he was finally seen...--Jackdavinci 15:23, 9 June 2007 (PDT)

Hydra Island is not small

Hycatraz

Ben stated that the Hydra Island is only about twice the size of Alcatraz Island which makes the land area about 0.06 square miles. Look at the picture and you can see that the island is actually mutch bigger. If this is not an error Ben lied to Sawyer. --Hanso 07:36, 5 April 2008 (PDT)

Main image

We should change the main image in the article because the image we have now (picture above) is clearly not the Hydra island. --Hugo815 02:53, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Hydra Island rewrite

Just finished rewriting this article, if anyone has any input please let me know...Thanks- MRMIKE T  C  E  20:49, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Robert Island

In the Trivia section it says that this map is referred to as Robert Island on Rousseau's map (Robert Island also refers to this page), But no source is given. How are we so sure that Robert Isl. is Hydra isl. and Alex Isl. isn't? I know it has been confirmed that one of these is Hydra Island, but not that specifically Robert Island has been confirmed. S.Eagle 01:16, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Totally agree. It might even be true, but unless a citation can be provided, it shouldn't be on the main page. I will be deleting now. £乚ב○艹Ю Zholmboe Talk 01:52, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

East side of the island

Article states that the Hydra Island is off the east coast of the main island. I see no supporting evidence or citation. I hope somebody does have the answer to this, but until it is supported by evidence I think it has to come off. £乚ב○艹Ю Zholmboe Talk 19:12, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

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