Talk:He's Our You

OMG! --Butseriouslyfolks 02:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Unlock?

It'd be nice...  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  02:19, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Just a moment. I'm setting up the main parts of the article before it gets unlocked and inevitably crashes. It won't be more than another ten minutes. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  02:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, did we figure out how to fix that? Nifty.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  02:30, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah okay, was wondering the same. Also LP/Wikia seems to be really slow at the moment, is this common right after the show? Congested 02:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

We didn't fix it, per se, but if it's locked there can't be data loss. And no, Congested, LP is unusually...congested at the moment. ;) -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  02:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah okay, yeah earlier today I got an error from Wikia when logging in saying that they had a problem with their "front end." I can forward on the exact error message if anyone's interested... it's somewhere in my IRC logs. Congested 02:35, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

re: your last edit - (Changed protection level for "He's Our You": Let the chaos begin... [edit=sysop:move=sysop]) - Protection is still on. Congested 02:39, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

So long as you're prepping everything, can you add the NavMinor templates for the UQs, themes, literary devices, etc...?  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  02:39, 26 March 2009 (UTC) Also, Sun does appear in the episode.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  02:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

My mistake on both counts. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  02:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks dude, added an image for the ep for now. I think that it's suiting considering the nature of the scene and the fact that Sayid hardly ever smiles. ;) Congested 02:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

LOL. Good pic choice with LSD-Sayid. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 06:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Sun footage not entirely recycled

This shot wasn't reused as far as I recall. Congested 02:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

You're right, but I think it was just footage filmed during "316," like the previously unseen outtakes of Jack from multiple episodes in "Expose." Anyone wanna share their thoughts? I also noticed the dock seen was largely re-shot or using alternative footage with different dialogue. However, I don't think Yunjin Kim was brought to the set to film anything new, if that makes sense. Anyone else have any thoughts? Alexisfan07 25 March 2009.

Well, that's plausible, though the shot was clearly set up to be from Sayid's perspective. So even if it was shot earlier, it was intended as original footage for this episode, no? Congested 04:20, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Possibly, but I was just looking at "316" and there are lot of side shots from when the characters are on the plane and other random shots. I think it's possible it was either shot now or saved for this episode since that entire sequence of them on the plane was re-done, but it's also possible they just took a bunch of shots of characters for later. If Sun's footage in the dock scene was new, it would for sure be countable, but her footage doesn't look like it's new, and when it is (like when she's holding the gun on Ben), it's easily a body double. Alexisfan07 25 March 2009

Yeah, honestly the scenes of them at the marina really never played into my thinking. What stood out to me during the episode was that Sayid looked at Sun through the plane seats, and that's the image I uploaded. I would have never even considered the idea of Sun not being in the episode until others tried to edit it into the page. As far as I'm concerned she was in it. That shot was original to this episode, which is enough for me. Beyond that I'll leave it up to others to decide whether she really should be considered as "in the episode" or not. Good luck. Congested 05:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, Lostpedia is very loose in being considered as in the episode. Basically, if you appear in new or old footage, you're in the episode, so she appeared. I personally only count new footage, that is, created for the episode. I may change my philosophy if the few appearances don't matter in the long run. However, I looked over and compared the marina scene in both and the only new footage AT ALL are the reaction shots of Sayid, meaning they had him reciting dialogue to no one to get the shots. The Sun plane shot is tricky but I'm not going to count it... for now. Alexisfan07 26 May 2008

the song

does anyone know the song that the crazy old guy was playing? They dont usually put stuff in episodes if its not important. dposse 03:06, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like ella fitzgerald, no? Congested 03:23, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I think it's "I Can't Give You Anything But Love" by Ella Fitzgerald. Here it is on Google Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6896329708145253904 Congested 03:27, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Billie Holiday --Redgoriya 05:36, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

What Billie Holiday song? o_O Thought I had it nailed. Congested 05:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

It's "I Can't Give You Anything But Love, Baby", recorded by Billie Holiday in 1936, and Ella Fitzgerald in 1957 (Listen), and Sarah Vaughan in 1965 (Listen), among others. It doesn't sound like the Ella or Sarah versions to me. While I can't find Billie's version, it does sound like her singing. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 06:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

We're gonna have to call Ann Arbor

Being from Ann Arbor, the room erupted! What a hoot. The writers rock. This show brings me joy. This doesn't go here, but it was my destiny to say it. Annarboral 03:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Then you might find this page interesting. Congested 03:50, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Namaste Annarboral 04:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Flaming Bus

Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was obvious that Ben started the flaming bus and put Roger inside to create a diversion for Sayid? No Others were around, or Ben would have gone with them. -- Crazy Bearded Jack 04:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• Put Roger inside??? .. WHAT? --Integrated (User / Talk) 16:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Roger isn't inside, because he's still alive when Ben kills him in the future. Other than that, yeah... it's pretty obvious Ben lit the van.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  04:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Emissary23 04:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• He did refer to Roger in the past tense when he busted out Sayid. To me, he was inferring he killed him and was ready to run away. -- Crazy Bearded Jack 04:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I thought this too when I first heard it CBJ, but the reality is Lil Ben says "I hate it here" not "I hated him." Kgun5 15:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

But we know that Roger Linus dies on the day of the Purge, right? Unless you are suggesting an alternate timeline, for which there is no evidence, best to assume that Roger is not dead on the flaming bus.--Emissary23 04:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes to Ben causing flaming bus; No to it containing Roger. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 06:56, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• Call me a weakling for wanting things more spoon-fed, but its little more than a hunch that he was responsable for the bus, or that Roger was in the bus. While probable, I say Lil' Ben is innocent until proven guilty (we see it on screen/hear a character say s/he saw him do it). --  SacValleyDweller    talk    contribs   07:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
• It WAS spoon fed. If that wasn't obvious enough you must need an IV :P --Integrated (User / Talk) 16:07, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• The fact that Ben was hiding behind the door to where Sayid was being kept, so when Phil left Ben slipped in.... is as blatant as possible that Ben was the one who set up the flaming bus, because Ben was the one who was in position to immediately take advantage of the distraction.--Jaywallin 14:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)Jaywallin

• I don't agree that it was obvious. It was not a coincidence of course, but I don't see any proof that Ben was the one who put it on fire, accelerated it, jumped out, and immediately went for Sayid's cell. Note that Ben was waiting in a dark corner at the bottom end of the stairs. Why would he risk going down there and stumbling across Phil who would receive the bad news any moment? There could have been easily another man in on this job. --MacCutcheon – Talk? 18:39, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Wishful Thinking on an Alternate Way this All Could Have Played Out

I'm not sure if this i the right place to post this, so if anyone thinks it needs to be moved, please be my guest. That said, It bothers me that the Sawyer crew has lived for three years with the possibility of the rest of the Losties returning, and it seems unrealistic that they would not have come up with a really good contingency plan. It seems something like claiming that anyone who showed up under questionable circumstances could have been claimed to be one of their ship's crew, who had been captured by the hostiles for as long as they had been away, and that they had escaped . Then if and when they showed up under suspicious circumstance, it would have been far simpler to claim that, rather than having to make up some explanation on the fly. I know it's just wishful thinking because I care about the characters, and really messy, disturbing conflict makes for good storytelling.... but it just seems really unlikely that over ALL that time, they wouldn't have come up with a contingency plan. Any thoughts??--Jaywallin 04:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)Jaywallin--Jaywallin 04:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Probably best suited for a forum post. ;) This page is used to discuss wiki-related edits of "He's Our You." Congested 04:23, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Sawyer says as much that they never really expected the Oceanic Six to return.Spiral77 05:09, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I know, but in La Fleur, we see that Jin has spent years seemingly doing a grid search of the island looking for their people, so even if they weren't thinking they really would come back, they seemed to be hoping/fearing for it. When Jin finds Sayid he seems to not know how to play it, but it's kind of silly that they never would have played out the scenario with each other on what should be done.--Jaywallin 05:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)Jaywallin

When they first made the decision to "wait" for Locke by the well near the Orchid, they didn't know that they were stranded in 1974. It wasn't until they rescued Amy from the Hostiles/Others and were "captured" by Dharma that they realized they were in the past. It seems to me that Sawyer did have a pretty good plan, becoming head of security and staffing it with Miles and Jin, plus the "dimwitted" Phil and Jerry. That gave them control of the perimeter, security cameras, etc. They may have even planned for finding other 815 survivors (Rose, Bernard, etc) travelling on the same timline by listing them as other members of their "crew". But once they realized they were in the '70's, they likely gave up on Locke and the O6.--Eyeful Tower 16:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• Sawyer seemed to have a few plans - the problem came when Sayid refused to go along with it. There was nothing he could do there. --Integrated (User / Talk) 16:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Removed blooper

I added the fact that the presumably dead body of Young Ben is still breathing after Sayid shot him. This was promptly removed. Explain? I don't want to edit war this. --  SacValleyDweller    talk    contribs   06:53, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

It's highly unlikely that Ben is dead (ie: we have seen him in the future, you can't change the future, ergo...), thus him breathing is not a blooper.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  07:00, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• True that Ben is still alive in 2008, that wont change no matter what happens. Unknown if Ben is alive or dead now, 1977 (he could be dead and resurrect somehow, or not be fataly wounded). Now, are we not meant we are meant by TPTB to think that he is dead in 1977? So, to successfully imply/depict death, the body left in the scene isn't supposed to breath. It does ergo, Blooper. --  SacValleyDweller    talk    contribs   07:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
• I haven't seen the episode yet but, isn't it possible that Ben is still alive but fatally wounded at the end of this episode and it will be revealed at the beginning of the next episode wether he is going to die or not?--Haskar 09:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
• Yep- I don't see any reason to assume that Ben is totally dead. Gunshot wound != death.--Chocky 15:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• • It seems pretty unlikely that someone with Sayid's experience would leave Ben in the jungle in any condition other than "unequivocally dead". It has been claimed that you can't change the future; but that is not a fact of the show; it's one character's claim. TheHYPO 15:16, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• And the producers. They've gone on the record saying this.--Chocky 15:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• In this episode, at the marina, Sayid says only to Ben, "If I see you again, it will be extremely unpleasant for both of us." But, in This Place is Death, Sayid addresses both Jack and Ben by saying,"If I see you, or him again, it will be extremely unpleasant for all of us." This is not a blooper. It was clearly done deliberately, so even though it is weird, it was not an accident therefore not a blooper. Just a desicion by the producers. I moved to Trivia. --Integrated (User / Talk) 16:20, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I can't understand your logic! To me, this is clearly lies within the bloopers and continuity errors section. Do you mind elaborating more on your reasoning? — Iimitk  T  C  18:36, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

What did Ben do to Sayid?

Previously we had been shown a very sharp disparity between Sayid working for Ben and Sayid after some untold severe break with Ben. Whereas previously Sayid killed for Ben unquestioningly, after he had extreme distrust and hatred for Ben, wanted nothing to do with him, and warned everyone he talked to not to trust him either. But this episode seems to portray their 'break' simply as Ben telling Sayid his job is done. Was this really the trigger for the extreme turn around in Sayid's view of Ben? Or is the trigger event still as of yet unseen? --Jackdavinci 07:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• My vote is that it's the latter, and the former was just the seed. --  SacValleyDweller    talk    contribs   07:17, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• Sayid has always had extreme distrust and hatred for Ben, all the way back to the interrogation in the Swan. But for a time, Ben convinced him they had a common interest: eliminating allies of Widmore who might hurt the O6. After Ben cut him loose in Moscow ("that was the last one"), all that was left was the distrust and hatred.--Eyeful Tower 15:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Episode references

Sayid's being tortured whilst shackled to a tree is clearly a reference to the episode in which Sayid tortures Sawyer in the same manner. Only problem is, I can't remember which one that was! Maybe someone who can could add it to the episode references. DublinDilettante 10:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• That would be episode 1.8: Confidence man.--Smullie 10:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Oldham

Hell yeah! E.B. Farnum in Lost! Anyhoo, anyone noticed al the coloured jars on the table outside the tipi? Could this be a hint towards Jacob? He lives away from the D.I. and the only tech we've been shown is his record player. Thoughts anyone ?--Smullie 10:52, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, the record player outside his tent was seen inside Jacob's cabin in an earlier episode. Can anyone confirm this? --Androsphynx 16:00, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

By the way, althought he uses a not so conventional way (LSD)of getting info, I'd rather say that Oldham is an interrogator than a torturer.--Smullie 10:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree, Roger Linus says,"We'll see how pretty you are when Oldham gets done with you." Which kind of makes it sound like he's going to mutilate him, but in the end Sayid has a fun trip, and they end up not believing his truth anyway, and surmising that they used too much. Oldham instantly goes from being an ominous torturer, to being a goofy hippy who just overdosed his "client".--Jaywallin 12:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)Jaywallin

Flash

There is a flash on the ground when Oldham has Sayid tied to the tree and says "there are side-effects to what im giving you" at approx 20:30. At first i thought it was something they edited out then i thought it was the reflection of something but there is nothing there in other shots. Nothing important, just wondering what it could be--Anfield Fox|talk|contributions 11:09, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Eko and Sayid

Sayid and Eko have similar pasts and will never know it. A brother is told to kill, but the "lost" brother steps in and kills on his behalf. It is interesting to see how this show mirrors itself. Writerstix 11:36, 26 March 2009 (UTC) ==Why remove the continuity error of the scene on the pier? It's blatant, and clearly an error.--Jaywallin 13:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)jaywallin

Kaiser Soze?

This is my first post/edit/whatever, so if I'm doing this wrong please let me know, but also, be kind

When Sayid assassinates the guy in Russia, he looks very much like Kaiser Soze does in the flashback/story that Verbal tells in The Usual Suspects. Then, when he approaches Ben outside, Ben looks very much like Verbal, revealed to be Kaiser, when he's on the boat.

These are not the only similarities that LOST has with The Usual Suspects

- Ben, the mastermind, when captured acts like a lackey and tells an elaborate story and when he finally "breaks down" and tells the truth, it's still not the truth. Ben is also a master manipulator like Kaiser Soze.

-The boat/freighter factors largely in both stories and looks similar.

- Flashbacks

- Everything is not what it seems

- The audience is intentionally misled.

--Haven13 16:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• This is a nice comparison that I haven't thought about before. The Usual Suspects is one of my favorite films! I would venture a guess that as storytellers Darlton has a great fondness for it. Perhaps they're doing homage to it. I think that might be a good question to put to them, if anyone gets the chance! I'll come back with more thoughts when I ponder this more. Lorite 18:08, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Hurley's Cooking Skills

One of the unanswered questions concerns Hurley's cooking skills. I don't consider this a problem because, firstly, he was only showing serving waffles and ham. This is not a particularly complicated meal. Secondly, this is a man who likes to eat (and has been shown preparing his own food previously). Even without professional training, he could certainly be capable of preparing a decent meal based on his own cooking experience. Axemantitan 18:30, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

UQ round 1

Please people don't repost these UQ unless you have a good argument for disagreeing with me, let's try and be smart about these things.

*Is young Ben Linus actually dead? A leading question and also we will undoubtedly find out next episode. *When and where did Hurley learn to cook? We saw he worked at Mr Clucks, plus cooing waffles in a deep fryer isn't hard. *Who was responsible for the flaming Dharma bus? How you can watch the episode and not know this is beyond me. It was young Ben rescuing Sayid. *Why would Andropow want to kill members of the Oceanic Six when most of them are in Los Angeles and he's in Moscow? umm.. what? Sayid was killing these men to protect the people still on the island.. when did anyone say Andropow wanted to kill the 06? Nonsense question. **How did she know that Sayid was at the bar? (referring to Ilana) Well she is a professional bounty hunter give her some credit. --Integrated (User / Talk) 18:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• re: the bus, I just posted something in the #Flaming_Bus section (feel free to reply here). --MacCutcheon – Talk? 18:50, 26 March 2009 (UTC)