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Maupin said she was unconcerned that a book by a fictional author, connected to a television show, crossed a line. "There have been so many scandals in the last year in the book business," she said. "Nothing shocks me and nothing offends me anymore."

Bad Twin represents a hybrid between content and marketing, said Michael Benson, the senior vice president of marketing at ABC.

"We wanted the audience to believe this was real," he said of Lost, adding that Troup can be seen being sucked into an airplane engine in the first episode. In an episode broadcast Feb. 8, one of the show's characters was seen reading a manuscript of the book with the title, author and publisher clearly visible. In another episode shown this month, another character was seen reading the same manuscript, only to have it thrown into a fire by Jack, one of the castaways. Source --Lostaway 14:27, 1 June 2006 (PDT)


Turbine Theory

You guys, it has been confirmed by ABC's Marketing Director, that was the entire point of his interview, this is LOST not Desperate Houswives, anything can go. Mabey you should have read my editing remarks then you would have known this!!! Also what is to say that they used the same actor for gary troup as they did for those book talks. You can not tell me that ABC (oh yeah the creators of the show) are wrong about the plot of their own show. Well I guess if you dont belive ABC then you wont belive TEXT STRAIGHT OUT OF BAD TWIN I am talking about the address that you erased straight from the letters at the begginning of Bad Twin! What is it with you and hiding facts from the public? Do you work for the HANSO foundation or somthing? Source --Lostaway 14:04, 1 June 2006 (PDT)

What is the source for the statement that Gary Troup was the person sucked into the jet engine in the Pilot episode? I've seen it repeated -- but without any way to verify it. -- Llywrch 12:25, 30 March 2006 (PST)

It has also been stated that you can see him holding the manuscript before he gets sucked into the jet engine, thus verifying his identity... I should look into it. --MaNiFeX 10:56, 12 April 2006 (PDT)

Nope, he's not holding anything. --skks 04:59, 18 April 2006 (PDT)

I created a persistent rumors page to track this and other rumors that are often repeated as fact without basis. --Uth 10:19, 4 May 2006 (PDT)

It's just a crazy rumour, they look nothing alike. Turbine Man Troup--Peephole 16:51, 8 May 2006 (PDT)

Still a valid theory. You don't have to agree with it. --skks 17:57, 8 May 2006 (PDT)

So you want to list every theory out there, even if it's wrong? --Peephole 18:57, 8 May 2006 (PDT)

I don't want to, if it was up to me I'd delete half of the theories on the site just because I don't agree with them - but it's not up to me. Theories aren't wrong while they're possible, maybe he put on a few pounds and had his face bashed in with a hammer or maybe the island healed his fuglyness, who knows - it's a magical island! --skks 02:55, 9 May 2006 (PDT)
I agree. Theories that are shown to be impossible (in this case by lack of similarity in appearance) shouldn't be included. LOSTonthisdarnisland 01:05, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

I think I read somewhere that the whole Turbine Man/Gary Troup thing is one of those long-shots based on anagrams. --Srah 19:41, 16 May 2006 (PDT)

Bad Twin represents a hybrid between content and marketing, said Michael Benson, senior vice-president of marketing at ABC. "We wanted the audience to believe this was real," he said of Lost, adding that Troup can be seen being sucked into a plane engine in the first episode.[1] --Piscez 13:21, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

The same artical about Gary Troup being Turbine man can also be found at [2]Joesoap 11:21, 3 September 2006 (PDT)

The producers have confirmed that Gary Troup is the Turbine Man in the October 30 Official Lost Podcast. I'm pretty sure that Damon and Carlton's word takes priority over any other sources we have that state otherwise, so I'm going ahead and updating the article. Wstonefi 12:22, 30 October 2006 (PST)

I know it has been confirmed, but the only reason I doubted it for so long was that Turbine Man who played Gary Troup in the pilot is not the same actor who plays Gary Troup in the book interviews. I think we can all agree on that. Bhold1 11:22, 8 November 2006 (PST)

Gary Troup = Stephen King?

"...in a press release ABC said they hired a well-known mystery writer to ghost as Troup." Can we get a source/citation for that? --Joezoo 15:32, 30 April 2006 (PDT)

King is much more known as a horror writer than a mystery writer. On the other hand it wouldn't be the first time he's wqritten under an alias.--Tricksterson 10:34, 4 May 2006 (PDT)

A tally?

Does anybody else think that Gary Troup looks like the dead guy that Bernard was sitting next to up in the tree?
CrystalSkull 10:06, 4 May 2006 (PDT)

Do you have a screenshot for comparison? LOSTonthisdarnisland 01:07, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
Looking at this screenshot[3], although you can't see the face clearly, the guy in the other seat looks younger and has different hair.--Christykilgorehadley 18:43, 16 May 2006 (PDT)

Does anyone know how Bernard ended up in a seat with a seatbelt on in the tail section? I thought he was sitting next to Rose, who ended up talking to Jack, and during the plane's spiral downwards they held hands or he sat next to her. So my question is while it's logical that Bernard could have found a seat and strapped himself in, wouldn't you in a moment of panic probably try to get back to your wife?--Dblplus 19:58, 16 May 2006 (PDT)

Maybe as he got out of the bathroom, things started getting really bad, so he had to ground himself or else he'd start rolling around. He probably thought that it would stop eventually. ArgentiumOutlaw 10:00, 17 May 2006 (PDT)

Website

Anyone else think we should split off the section about the website? --Peephole 20:45, 9 May 2006 (PDT)

No. I think that it would make two very small articles, rather than one good sized one. LOSTonthisdarnisland 01:05, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

Hyperion

Not certain how the website section should be formatted, but wanted to mention the following update at the top of the Gary Troup website as of 11/05/2006:

A NOTE FROM THE PUBLISHER:
We have received many calls and e-mails asking about the recent advertising campaign done by the Hanso Foundation about our recent publication of BAD TWIN. While we can't respond to you individually on this matter, please know that this issue is of great concern to us, and we are investigating what actions we should or shouldn't take in relation to this complaint. Meanwhile, thank you for your attention and consideration.
It's also on Hyperion's regular website :) LOSTonthisdarnisland 11:28, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

GT.com

http://www.garytroup.com is a fansite. LOSTonthisdarnisland 17:54, 11 May 2006 (PDT)

Was he in the Pilot episode?

The article says that his first and last appearances were in the pilot; did we actually even see him? Does this statement need to be removed?--Keyes 13:26, 1 June 2006 (PDT)

You guys, it has been confirmed by ABC's Marketing Director, that was the entire point of his interview, this is LOST not Desperate Houswives, anything can go. Mabey you should have read my editing remarks then you would have known this!!! Also what is to say that they used the same actor for gary troup as they did for those book talks. You can not tell me that ABC (oh yeah the creators of the show) are wrong about the plot of their own show. Well I guess if you dont belive ABC then you wont belive TEXT STRAIGHT OUT OF BAD TWIN I am talking about the address that you erased straight from the letters at the begginning of Bad Twin! What is it with you and hiding facts from the public? Do you work for the HANSO foundation or somthing? Source

A marketing director isn't a valid source and the writers haven't confirmed it (yet). --Peephole 14:39, 1 June 2006 (PDT)

Oh yah your right the man that runs the lost experiance does not know what he is talking about, my sentiments exactly! --Lostaway 22:28, 1 June 2006 (PDT)

Because it says he died in the first episode doesn't mean he was IN the episode. Many people died in the first episode, all the people who didn't survive the crash. Was he CREDITED for an ACTING role in the episode? Otherwise the first and last appearances are false and need to be removed. --Keyes 01:11, 2 June 2006 (PDT)

The particular actor who plays Gary Troupe did not appear in the pilot. However, the character Gary Troupe did appear in the pilot and was sucked into the turbine, this has been confirmed by Michael Benson, the senior vice president of marketing at ABC:

"We wanted the audience to believe this was real," he said of Lost, adding that Troup can be seen being sucked into an airplane engine in the first episode..." From: here

The reason that the actor that plays Gary Troupe didn't appear in the pilot is simply that "being sucked into a turbine" is something that is done by a stunt man rather than an actor.

--ActiveValue 03:09, 2 June 2006 (PDT)

Nimbuschick's pic.

That screencap clearly shows someone who's the spitting image of Gary Troup. Were we to validate that pic that would put to rest the Turbine Man argument for once and for all. (Which I would absolutely love)--†††GodEmperorOfHell††† 13:12, 9 June 2006 (PDT)

The pic is real. But I'm still not sure it's Troup. Nice find, though. --Jmast7 13:26, 9 June 2006 (PDT)


Frank Torres

It is known that Hawaii stuntman Frank Torres was the turbineman. However, is Torres the man in the infobox (web photo with Troup in white suit)? Currently the infobox pairs Torres' name with that photo. -- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  Talk 11:08, 1 December 2006 (PST)

No that isn't Frank Torres playing him pre-crash/Lost Experience wise. -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  08:45, 3 December 2006 (PST)
I asked Gregg Nations on the Fuselage a few days back, however, he hasn't answered yet. --Marik7772003 08:53, 3 December 2006 (PST)
  • Frank Torres is definitely not the man in the photo (the one from TLE). It's a different actor. I can concede that maybe the writers meant for GT = Turbine man, but I don't like the idea of us using a photo of someone who isn't the actor written directly over the pic. --PandoraX 13:47, 23 December 2006 (PST)

Canon?

Right, where does Gary fit in within Lost? He exists within the TV show (ignoring all the debate about that for now) but almost all the information about him is established out of show.

For example, I only discovered his existence when I looked at Cindy's profile, and was very confused when I read that she was in a relationship with another survivor. She's never asked Jack or Locke what happened to her apparent partner, so it seems that while Gary exists in the television canon (as the guy who gets sucked in the plane), his relationship with Cindy does not.

As it is, his inclusion in Cindy's article is confusing- I'd propose that we at least add a note on her page saying that her relationship is an "off-show" detail. Any thoughts?--Chocky 17:13, 18 May 2007 (PDT)

Main image

I propose changing the main image to an image actually showing Frank Torres, who played the character in-canon on the show. The photo of the Book Review actor should be go to the non-canonical Lost Experience section. See Lostpedia:Canon#Mixed Articles for more.--Nevermore 13:20, 8 March 2008 (PST)

That would sound reasonable but for the fact that the character itself wasn't canonical. The stuntman who performed the "getting sucked into the engine" stunt wasn't told, "See, you're playing this hack author who is in love with a stewardess..." The character was invented for the spinoff novel and attributed, jokingly, after-the fact, to the ill-fated passenger when the executive producers wanted some bit of fantasy poetic justice for how bad the ghostwritten novel turned out to be. There was never a credit reading "Frank Torres... Gary Troup". Robert K S (talk) 17:05, 8 March 2008 (PST)
I agree. So why are we using "Portrayed by Frank Torres", as if they are one in the same? -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 22:45, 1 April 2008 (PDT)
I'm going to remove the "portrayed by" bit altogether, unless there's a way of putting more than one in the infobox. The article can then express that we know the whole Turbine Man, Frank Torres thing. --Nickb123 (Talk) 04:28, 7 July 2008 (PDT)
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