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Rename Discussion

This article's up for renaming. I think "Frozen Wheel" is more accurate for the rename. "Donkey" was the code-name by the writers, and obviously used as a red herring, but the "frozen" and "wheel" parts were accurate. However, "island-moving wheel" is potentially NOT accurate, since we don't know exactly what the inner workings of it do just yet. We do however, know that it is indeed frozen, and a wheel. Gutsdozer 22:59, 29 May 2008 (PDT)

  • Disagree* Producers themselves called it a frozen donkey wheel. "Wheel" by itself would imply something that just rolls on the ground vertically, whereas the donkey wheel indicates that it is horizontal with projecting spokes used for operating a mechanism (see first Pirates movie for an example). "Frozen" is probably superfluous but I'd keep FDW because it's descriptive and canonical. --Jackdavinci 23:07, 29 May 2008 (PDT)

I'd say rename it to Frozen donkey wheel, without the capitals, because if you get into semantics, it really is a donkey wheel in that definition. So Darlton were being ridiculously specific this time around. --Aero*Zeppelin 23:45, 29 May 2008 (PDT)

  • Agree with removing capital letters - following Lostpedia formatting. Personally, I love the name.--Overworkedirish 00:07, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
  • I say keep it easy and rename it The Orchid Wheel. It's a wheel, it's in the Orchid. Need i say more? --Lilduff90 03:46, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
  • I also like The Orchid Wheel. There's no room to fit donkeys between those spokes. Drop the "frozen." It doesn't work because it's frozen; it fails because it's frozen and Ben has to knock ice off to make it functional.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 06:24, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
  • I think Frozen Donkey Wheel is a terrible name. Someone who comes to Lostpedia looking for information on 'that thing Ben turned to move the Island' won't associate it with a donkey and won't know how to find it. It should have a name that is more intuitive and then the article could refer to this name as a production name. This would be the only place on Lostpedia where we use the preproduction code word instead of a real name.
  • Agree with re-name to The Orchid Wheel for the aforementioned reasons. The producers called it the Frozen Donkey Wheel as a codeword for the scene. If you wanted to find information about D-Day and the landings at Normandy, you wouldn't look up "Operation Overlord". I think "Frozen Donkey Wheel" should redirect to The Orchid Wheel and there should obviously be a discussion in the article page about the codeword, but it makes the most sense for it to be called what it is - not what the Producers called it in code. --LOSTinDC 08:21, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
  • I don't even think we need to maintain a redirect. We would only be perpetuating a code term that doesn't really apply.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 09:49, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
  • I vote for The Orchid Wheel as well. It is both simple and concise. Also, maintain the redirects (frozen wheel, wheel, donkey wheel), as there are many who already know this by these names already. And, to be fair, they are all pretty accurate descriptions, given its secret "code name" and the fact that it is, indeed, a frozen donkey wheel.--Jwilkinson 10:09, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
  • It's not "The Orchid Wheel" though. The Orchid is a Dharma station and the wheel was very clearly more ancient. The Orchid was merely built on top of it, and we have no frame of reference yet whether or not the wheel was actually instrumental in the Orchid's design (whatever force it triggered likely did, but we don't even know that). Calling it "The Orchid Wheel" would be like calling the smoke monster "The Barracks Monster" just because the cave to summon it was under the barracks. Gutsdozer 10:38, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
  • It is a Donkey Wheel, and it is Frozen. I vote for the page to keep this title, although I agree with removing capitals on Donkey and Wheel. Bookhouse88 12:17, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
  • I agree with Frozen donkey wheel (no caps). It's definitely not The Orchid Wheel - it's part of an ancient site that they built the Orchid on top of, and not part of the Orchid. Ben had to literally destroy part of the station to get to the cave. --Jackdavinci 12:34, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
  • I vote for The Wheel, Frozen Wheel, or Orchid Wheel, just leave donkey out of it and make redirects from most of the aliases. Kevrock 12:39, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
  • KEEP: As others have said. Its a donkey wheel, and it is frozen. Its what fandom is calling it. So I don't see any need to rename, other than decapitalization  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  14:02, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
  • KEEP: for reason's above, if the producers start referring to it as something else such as the "Orchid Wheel" then change.--Kivipat 14:32, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

Island to Tunisia

The article says that after turning the wheel Ben woke up in 2005 in the Tunisian desert. This is almost assuredly what happened, but technically since we didn't see it all happen in the same episode we can only surmise that the events in Tunisia immediately followed Ben turning the wheel. Forgive me if I'm being too picky, but would it be prudent to include a little more ambiguous language in the article (something like "it is assumed that...")? I'm probably being overly-critical. Jacob's Lather 04:02, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

  • Maybe a little<smile>. Ben injured his arm when he falls and the wound was still fresh when he appeared in the desert.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 06:28, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
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