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Has no one made the connection that Frank Lapidus is Frank the Bunny from Donny Darko? Seems pretty obvious to me. It may also help connect the dots between in the Frank is Jacob theory.

I'm sorry, wha? How is that obvious? As far as I know lapin is french for rabbit, which is kind of a stretch to Lapidus, if that's what you're getting at. If not, what are you getting at? The Donnie Darko link is tenuous at best, not to mention the "Frank is Jacob" theory. Let's focus on the real issues here, people!

Jacob?

Frank is definitely not Jacob, we saw he was the original pilot of 815 --Avindratalkcontribs email  19:14, 7 February 2008 (PST)

  • I don't think it's smart to single anyone out as being "definitely not Jacob" since there is no evidence to substantiate it either way. Just because we saw that he was supposedly the original pilot means nothing to this argument.
    • Frank is definitely not Jacob, there's just no way in hell.C.m. 15:06, 2 May 2008 (PDT)

Please unlock

Frank was originally supposed to be the pilot of Flight 815. Frank is a "drunk" and the helicopter of the Freighters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hunter61 (talk • contribs) .

Sorry about that. Page is now unlocked. --Marik7772003 21:42, 7 February 2008 (PST)
  • If Frank is a drunk it wasn't because he was drinking that he missed the flight because he was stupid and he slept in he says in Season 6 to Ben. Ben makes the point that somehow the Island got him there anyway. One thing should be noted was that Michael Keaton was first up for the role of the pilot and it was meant to the be the main character. Keaton walked when his starring role was replaced by the character of the Doctor, Jack Shepherd and his was meant to be killed off in the first episode as a way of a red herring to the audience. I've always thought the character of Lapidus was a way to try to bring Michael Keaton back in. I'm not sure any history of substance abuse with Keaton but he played an amazing part in the movie Clean and Sober just before he did Batman and I kind of thought they were trying to put this into Frank's character because of that role.--Lucky Day | msg 05:52, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Unanswered Questions

The "How is it possible that Frank remembered about Seth's wedding ring and memorized Flight 815's 324 person manifest?" question is pretty self explanatory, he worked with seth, so he knew about his wedding ring, i am going to remove that part. it is assumed he studied the manifest after questioning the news broadcast/getting involved with abbadon, it's only an assumption, so i'll leave that. Fredcar 10:18, 9 February 2008 (PST)

  • Yeah, I thought him studying the manifest was obvious. he was the original pilot, so... - The-room 22:46, 9 February 2008 (PST)
  • Wasn't that Mikhails cow that approached Lapidus when he climbed up the hill?If so it should be put in rather than "a" cow. - Stefinho360 11:26, 11 February 2008 (PST)
    • BTW. It was not a cow but a bull.Oodles 01:07, 14 February 2008 (PST)
      • I didn't grow up on farm. How could you tell it was a bull? Robert K S 10:10, 14 February 2008 (PST)
        • Two testicles and a penis sheath in plain sight... ;)Oodles 15:04, 14 February 2008 (PST)
  • maby its an unlucky lady cow--kalebv 18:34, 2 June 2008 (PDT)

Does he work for Oceanic?

I'm not an expert on how airlines choose their pilots, but if Frank was supposed to be the pilot of an Oceanic plane, wouldn't that mean he works (or worked) for Oceanic? Or at least some airline company? I don't think they just pick any random guy off the street to fly their planes. ShadowUltra 05:16, 11 February 2008 (PST)

  • My theory would be that he was found to be drunk on the day of the ill-fated flight, was thus replaced by the other pilot and perhaps this was the last straw to get him fired from Oceanic.Oodles 00:51, 15 February 2008 (PST)

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Other Lapidus Coincidence?

I found a couple of interesting sites with interesting coincidental information. There may be an intended connection, probably not, but at least make for interesting coincidence.

I really don't know anything about the "Phil of the Future" series other than it was apparently modeled on the film, "Back to the Future". One of the writers for at least two of the episodes was Adam Lapidus. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_I._Lapidus

I also found a website having that states, "We believe that words used creatively can be a powerful tool for health and personal and community development – through the writing,reading and performing of poetry, prose, fiction, drama and story." The name of the organization is Lapidus. see: http://www.lapidus.org.uk/

I don't consider these worthy of posting directly in the article, at least not yet. --OolonColluphid 23:56, 3 March 2008 (PST)

Is is possible to link "Rick Lapidus" from the Expose Script to Frank Lapidus??[1]--Kansasgal71 14:53, 22 August 2008 (PDT)

Just What Does He Know?

There seem to be inconsistencies in how they're presenting what Frank Lapidus knows. Is this just the fault of different writers juggling a new character into their respective stories, or is this by design? We know Frank has the manifest memorized because he could tell that Juliet was NOT on it. However, he hasn't mentioned that Desmond was not on the manifest. Maybe after seeing Miles' reaction to Juliet, he's purposefully keeping his mouth shut, but knows more than he's telling? Or maybe he really doesn't know more than a list of names, or doesn't have the list completely memorized? Frank doesn't seem to recognize the names of other survivors when he meets them. He also doesn't know details about their lives. He had to ask Jack what Sayid did for a living. Compare this to how Ben Linus can just rattle off a summary of his files on everybody. Give Ben a name and he can recite a biography. Give Frank a name, and maybe he'll tell you something of value or maybe he'll just burp in response. He also seems to know more than he's telling in other areas. He's indicated that Seth Norris was a friend, but hasn't asked if his friend survived the crash. Not asking the question isn't proof that he already knows the answer, but it does indicate that as a plausible possibility. He's aware that the freighter is a hotbed of tension and unpredictable behavior, and just wants to keep the peace. It's uncertain just how much of the whys behind it he understands, or why he's not spilling the beans to Sayid and Desmond, and I don't mean lima. - ZachsMind 05:58, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

I'm curious to know what he knows about the plan to kill everyone on the island, and to what degree he is "on board" with that plan. It almost seems to me that he is, or at least was, a willing accomplice. Presumbaly when he flew Keamy and his mercenary team over, they must have had a ton of weaponry and war gear with em?C.m. 15:06, 2 May 2008 (PDT)
Then again, Lapidus seems really, really SCARED of Keamy. Rightfully so, no doubt. He kept called him "sir" in "Something Nice Back Home." There's some real fear going on there. He seems to know full well (as of "Something Nice Back Home") that he's just transported a band of killers; he told Miles that Keamy was coming and would kill them all if he saw them. (Including Miles?) So, he's pretending to becooperating with Keamy, but he's actually foiling him, but on the other hand he transported him and his heavily ARMED crew over...????C.m. 15:06, 2 May 2008 (PDT)

Removed question

"Why was Frank running through the jungle ahead of Keamy's men?" He was running towards them with a medkit, not running away from them. Scarecrow 21:23, 10 May 2008 (PDT)

Another: "Does Frank wear a wedding ring?" We've seen enough of his left hand to be pretty darn certain the answer is no. --Apeliotes 18:29, 11 May 2008 (PDT)

Edward Kitsis has stated that he had only used the name because he liked it. No true connection. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  14:56, 22 August 2008 (PDT)

Main photo

A new photo of Frank was uploaded over an older version. I reverted it back to the older version (because new versions of photos are still supposed to be the same photo). The new photo uploaded was that of a clean-shaven Frank. However, should we not use the image that Frank is most-known by, which is the unkempt, bearded Frank? -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  23:40, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I just looked over the policy pages and I can't find anything definitive regarding this issue, but the convention on most character pages has been to update the main images with the most recent promotional photoshoot picture. We've been following this convention for every season. If Frank doesn't have a Season 5 photoshoot picture, it would seem reasonable to use the best screen capture from a recent episode. You might want to start a discussion on this on one of the policy pages. I think we're in need of a Character page policy. Robert K S (talk) 00:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

He and Richard Alpert saw each other in The Inicdent part 1 & 2 for the first time briefly, but not actully met. Maybe if they making an connection, this could be very important. Who knows?--Station7 19:19, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Death

I don't think he's really dead. I mean we got a shot of Sun and Jin dying, and Sayid of course, but all we saw was Frank getting hit over the head. Not exactly concrete evidence he died. --LOST-The Cartographer 02:04, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

  • Yeah, can we put him in "Unknown" status? I can't quite cope with that many deaths. --Dbarts21 02:06, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • I think he's dead; I don't think we necessarily have to see a body. However, I can live with unknown.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 02:32, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • At what point will we change his status? If the series ends, and we've still seen no sign of Frank having survived... does his status change to "dead" at that point? He was knocked unconscious and left behind. Hurley and Jack both helped Kate and Sawyer, who were unable to swim out on their own. No one grabbed Frank. No one even mentioned Frank. If the 4 Losties required mini-air tanks and they all made it to shore together... and Frank hasn't shown up... that seems pretty clear to me. But I understand the "unknown" status for now. I just wonder when that would change, or if it would change at all. Twentythree 13:38, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • We'll change his status to dead when one of 3 things happens: 1) it's confirmed by Damon and/or Carlton, 2) it's confirmed on the show itself, 3) the series ends and we never hear from him again.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  18:57, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah, unlike the others his death wasn't completely clear. He could have recovered and swam out. So we should leave him unknown. --Golden Monkey 03:12, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • Just read an interview with the Producers. They only talked about Sayid and the Kwons being dead, and not Frank so...... --LOST-The Cartographer 03:37, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah i read that to, they may not consider frank as important as the other three, but I hope its because hes alive. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  03:39, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
The most recent Lost Untangled explicitly says that everyone survived except for Sun, Jin, and Sayid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb04XjxPqpg This is enough proof for me that he isn't dead. --Bish-Fiscuit 20:07, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. They would've said he died, so they're either keeping it a mystery to have him show up later or they are just screwing over an awesome character with a cheap death that doesn't even get acknowledged.--Joshtopher27 23:38, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Frank is now confirmed dead

Jorge Garcia's podcast confirmed Frank is dead, now the question is, do we consider this a spoiler? I don't think it is, rather more of a clarification. We saw him get knocked out by a submarine door, and saw said submarine sink to the bottom of the ocean, but what does anyone else think before we add it to the article? InflatableBombshelter 23:02, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

  • Can you give a link and the time when he says it please. Those things are like 2 hours long. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  23:18, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
    • Well here's the link [2]. I haven't listened yet, but it's only an hour long. He also says "poor Sayid, Sun, Jin and Lapidus" in this post, which would suggest he is dead. I don't think we should consider it a spoiler. Daniel's death was confirmed after "The Variable" when it was left unclear if he was still alive or not. The same with Charlotte, I didn't think she was completely gone but an interview after the episode confirmed it. We also had Juliet confirmed as dead before the season even started...then again it turned out she was still alive for an episode. Either way, RIP Frank.--Baker1000 23:23, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  • He also says that his middle name is Jennifer. I think he was just joking. He doesn't even mention Frank when he is actually talkin gabout the episode, and he talks a lot about Sayid and Sun and Jin's deaths, so I think he was just joking. And keep in mind that both the official ABC episode summary and Lost Untangled both said nothing about him dying, so I really think you're jumping the gun on this. --Bish-Fiscuit 04:18, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
    • I agree that you're jumping the gun on this. To me it sounds more like a teaser for the fans than anything else, before a potential big reveal that he's alive. There's also been some hints that he's not dead. I won't say anything more for spoiler reasons, and it's certainly not definitive, but neither is Jorge Garcia's post, in my opinion.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  04:21, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
      • Also they've updated the character bios on the ABC website. For Frank, all it says about his current status is this: "Frank was in the sub's bridge when the C-4 exploded, and was last seen trying to get out when a partially-sealed bulkhead blew off from the force of the rushing water and hit him in the head." No death confirmation. [3] In Sawyer's bio, it says: "The bomb exploded, leading to Sun, Jin and Sayid's deaths." No mention of Frank's death. [4] I think it's jumping the gun, personally. -- Graft   talk   contributions  05:02, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Damon and Carlton confirm Frank is dead

In the newest podcast, they explain that Jack et. al. did not mention Frank as dead at the end of the episode because they wanted the focus on the three season 1 characters who died and randomly mentioning Frank may have changed the mood of the scene. They also note Jack and friends didn't see Frank die and wouldn't know he died anyway. Regardless, they confirm he's a goner. ShadowUltra 22:03, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

  • Well there you have it. There was never any doubt in my mind. Poor Frank, as a lesser character, just didn't warrant the emotional sendoff that Sun and Jin received. Hatchbanger 22:47, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  • Did you listen to the same podcast as me? All they did was comment on the fact that Jack said that Sayid, Sun and Jin were dead and didn't mention Frank. The producers, themselves, confirmed nothing: all they did was offer a couple reasons for Jack not to have listed Frank in the casualties.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  05:51, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
    • So all they said was why Jack wouldn't regard him as dead? But didn't say whether or not he's dead or not? They seem to be going out of their way not to make his status clear. Why do I get the feeling that we're gonna see Frank rise up out of the ocean with a witty one-liner sometime soon...? --Golden Monkey 06:08, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  • They definitely went out of their way to avoid explicitly stating that he died. --Bish-Fiscuit 12:14, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
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