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Has no one made the connection that Frank Lapidus is Frank the Bunny from Donny Darko? Seems pretty obvious to me. It may also help connect the dots between in the Frank is Jacob theory.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brokenguerilla (talkcontribs) .

I'm sorry, wha? How is that obvious? As far as I know lapin is french for rabbit, which is kind of a stretch to Lapidus, if that's what you're getting at. If not, what are you getting at? The Donnie Darko link is tenuous at best, not to mention the "Frank is Jacob" theory. Let's focus on the real issues here, people! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sadiemonster (talkcontribs) .

Jacob?

Frank is definitely not Jacob, we saw he was the original pilot of 815 --Avindratalkcontribs email  19:14, 7 February 2008 (PST)

  • I don't think it's smart to single anyone out as being "definitely not Jacob" since there is no evidence to substantiate it either way. Just because we saw that he was supposedly the original pilot means nothing to this argument. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brokenguerilla (talkcontribs) .
    • Frank is definitely not Jacob, there's just no way in hell.C.m. 15:06, 2 May 2008 (PDT)

Please unlock

Frank was originally supposed to be the pilot of Flight 815. Frank is a "drunk" and the helicopter of the Freighters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hunter61 (talkcontribs) .

Sorry about that. Page is now unlocked. --Marik7772003 21:42, 7 February 2008 (PST)
  • If Frank is a drunk it wasn't because he was drinking that he missed the flight because he was stupid and he slept in he says in Season 6 to Ben. Ben makes the point that somehow the Island got him there anyway. One thing should be noted was that Michael Keaton was first up for the role of the pilot and it was meant to the be the main character. Keaton walked when his starring role was replaced by the character of the Doctor, Jack Shepherd and his was meant to be killed off in the first episode as a way of a red herring to the audience. I've always thought the character of Lapidus was a way to try to bring Michael Keaton back in. I'm not sure any history of substance abuse with Keaton but he played an amazing part in the movie Clean and Sober just before he did Batman and I kind of thought they were trying to put this into Frank's character because of that role.--Lucky Day | msg 05:52, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Unanswered Questions

The "How is it possible that Frank remembered about Seth's wedding ring and memorized Flight 815's 324 person manifest?" question is pretty self explanatory, he worked with seth, so he knew about his wedding ring, i am going to remove that part. it is assumed he studied the manifest after questioning the news broadcast/getting involved with abbadon, it's only an assumption, so i'll leave that. Fredcar 10:18, 9 February 2008 (PST)

  • Yeah, I thought him studying the manifest was obvious. he was the original pilot, so... - The-room 22:46, 9 February 2008 (PST)
  • Wasn't that Mikhails cow that approached Lapidus when he climbed up the hill?If so it should be put in rather than "a" cow. - Stefinho360 11:26, 11 February 2008 (PST)
    • BTW. It was not a cow but a bull.Oodles 01:07, 14 February 2008 (PST)
      • I didn't grow up on farm. How could you tell it was a bull? Robert K S 10:10, 14 February 2008 (PST)
        • Two testicles and a penis sheath in plain sight... ;)Oodles 15:04, 14 February 2008 (PST)
  • maby its an unlucky lady cow--kalebv 18:34, 2 June 2008 (PDT)

Does he work for Oceanic?

I'm not an expert on how airlines choose their pilots, but if Frank was supposed to be the pilot of an Oceanic plane, wouldn't that mean he works (or worked) for Oceanic? Or at least some airline company? I don't think they just pick any random guy off the street to fly their planes. ShadowUltra 05:16, 11 February 2008 (PST)

  • My theory would be that he was found to be drunk on the day of the ill-fated flight, was thus replaced by the other pilot and perhaps this was the last straw to get him fired from Oceanic.Oodles 00:51, 15 February 2008 (PST)

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Other Lapidus Coincidence?

I found a couple of interesting sites with interesting coincidental information. There may be an intended connection, probably not, but at least make for interesting coincidence.

I really don't know anything about the "Phil of the Future" series other than it was apparently modeled on the film, "Back to the Future". One of the writers for at least two of the episodes was Adam Lapidus. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_I._Lapidus

I also found a website having that states, "We believe that words used creatively can be a powerful tool for health and personal and community development – through the writing,reading and performing of poetry, prose, fiction, drama and story." The name of the organization is Lapidus. see: http://www.lapidus.org.uk/

I don't consider these worthy of posting directly in the article, at least not yet. --OolonColluphid 23:56, 3 March 2008 (PST)

Is is possible to link "Rick Lapidus" from the Expose Script to Frank Lapidus??[1]--Kansasgal71 14:53, 22 August 2008 (PDT)

Just What Does He Know?

There seem to be inconsistencies in how they're presenting what Frank Lapidus knows. Is this just the fault of different writers juggling a new character into their respective stories, or is this by design? We know Frank has the manifest memorized because he could tell that Juliet was NOT on it. However, he hasn't mentioned that Desmond was not on the manifest. Maybe after seeing Miles' reaction to Juliet, he's purposefully keeping his mouth shut, but knows more than he's telling? Or maybe he really doesn't know more than a list of names, or doesn't have the list completely memorized? Frank doesn't seem to recognize the names of other survivors when he meets them. He also doesn't know details about their lives. He had to ask Jack what Sayid did for a living. Compare this to how Ben Linus can just rattle off a summary of his files on everybody. Give Ben a name and he can recite a biography. Give Frank a name, and maybe he'll tell you something of value or maybe he'll just burp in response. He also seems to know more than he's telling in other areas. He's indicated that Seth Norris was a friend, but hasn't asked if his friend survived the crash. Not asking the question isn't proof that he already knows the answer, but it does indicate that as a plausible possibility. He's aware that the freighter is a hotbed of tension and unpredictable behavior, and just wants to keep the peace. It's uncertain just how much of the whys behind it he understands, or why he's not spilling the beans to Sayid and Desmond, and I don't mean lima. - ZachsMind 05:58, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

I'm curious to know what he knows about the plan to kill everyone on the island, and to what degree he is "on board" with that plan. It almost seems to me that he is, or at least was, a willing accomplice. Presumbaly when he flew Keamy and his mercenary team over, they must have had a ton of weaponry and war gear with em?C.m. 15:06, 2 May 2008 (PDT)
Then again, Lapidus seems really, really SCARED of Keamy. Rightfully so, no doubt. He kept called him "sir" in "Something Nice Back Home." There's some real fear going on there. He seems to know full well (as of "Something Nice Back Home") that he's just transported a band of killers; he told Miles that Keamy was coming and would kill them all if he saw them. (Including Miles?) So, he's pretending to becooperating with Keamy, but he's actually foiling him, but on the other hand he transported him and his heavily ARMED crew over...????C.m. 15:06, 2 May 2008 (PDT)

Removed question

"Why was Frank running through the jungle ahead of Keamy's men?" He was running towards them with a medkit, not running away from them. Scarecrow 21:23, 10 May 2008 (PDT)

Another: "Does Frank wear a wedding ring?" We've seen enough of his left hand to be pretty darn certain the answer is no. --Apeliotes 18:29, 11 May 2008 (PDT)

Edward Kitsis has stated that he had only used the name because he liked it. No true connection. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  14:56, 22 August 2008 (PDT)

Main photo

A new photo of Frank was uploaded over an older version. I reverted it back to the older version (because new versions of photos are still supposed to be the same photo). The new photo uploaded was that of a clean-shaven Frank. However, should we not use the image that Frank is most-known by, which is the unkempt, bearded Frank? -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  23:40, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I just looked over the policy pages and I can't find anything definitive regarding this issue, but the convention on most character pages has been to update the main images with the most recent promotional photoshoot picture. We've been following this convention for every season. If Frank doesn't have a Season 5 photoshoot picture, it would seem reasonable to use the best screen capture from a recent episode. You might want to start a discussion on this on one of the policy pages. I think we're in need of a Character page policy. Robert K S (talk) 00:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

He and Richard Alpert saw each other in The Inicdent part 1 & 2 for the first time briefly, but not actully met. Maybe if they making an connection, this could be very important. Who knows?--Station7 19:19, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Death

I don't think he's really dead. I mean we got a shot of Sun and Jin dying, and Sayid of course, but all we saw was Frank getting hit over the head. Not exactly concrete evidence he died. --LOST-The Cartographer 02:04, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

  • Yeah, can we put him in "Unknown" status? I can't quite cope with that many deaths. --Dbarts21 02:06, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • I think he's dead; I don't think we necessarily have to see a body. However, I can live with unknown.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 02:32, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • At what point will we change his status? If the series ends, and we've still seen no sign of Frank having survived... does his status change to "dead" at that point? He was knocked unconscious and left behind. Hurley and Jack both helped Kate and Sawyer, who were unable to swim out on their own. No one grabbed Frank. No one even mentioned Frank. If the 4 Losties required mini-air tanks and they all made it to shore together... and Frank hasn't shown up... that seems pretty clear to me. But I understand the "unknown" status for now. I just wonder when that would change, or if it would change at all. Twentythree 13:38, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • We'll change his status to dead when one of 3 things happens: 1) it's confirmed by Damon and/or Carlton, 2) it's confirmed on the show itself, 3) the series ends and we never hear from him again.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  18:57, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah, unlike the others his death wasn't completely clear. He could have recovered and swam out. So we should leave him unknown. --Golden Monkey 03:12, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • Just read an interview with the Producers. They only talked about Sayid and the Kwons being dead, and not Frank so...... --LOST-The Cartographer 03:37, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah i read that to, they may not consider frank as important as the other three, but I hope its because hes alive. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  03:39, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
The most recent Lost Untangled explicitly says that everyone survived except for Sun, Jin, and Sayid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb04XjxPqpg This is enough proof for me that he isn't dead. --Bish-Fiscuit 20:07, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
      • So posting info from Lost Untangled isn't a spoiler... I have a bone to pick with user Frank J Lapidus then. --Dbarts21 05:04, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. They would've said he died, so they're either keeping it a mystery to have him show up later or they are just screwing over an awesome character with a cheap death that doesn't even get acknowledged.--Joshtopher27 23:38, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

*Can spoilers be posted in the discussion page or not? Just wondering... --Jonahwriter 13:44, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Frank is now confirmed dead

Jorge Garcia's podcast confirmed Frank is dead, now the question is, do we consider this a spoiler? I don't think it is, rather more of a clarification. We saw him get knocked out by a submarine door, and saw said submarine sink to the bottom of the ocean, but what does anyone else think before we add it to the article? InflatableBombshelter 23:02, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

  • Can you give a link and the time when he says it please. Those things are like 2 hours long. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  23:18, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
    • Well here's the link [2]. I haven't listened yet, but it's only an hour long. He also says "poor Sayid, Sun, Jin and Lapidus" in this post, which would suggest he is dead. I don't think we should consider it a spoiler. Daniel's death was confirmed after "The Variable" when it was left unclear if he was still alive or not. The same with Charlotte, I didn't think she was completely gone but an interview after the episode confirmed it. We also had Juliet confirmed as dead before the season even started...then again it turned out she was still alive for an episode. Either way, RIP Frank.--Baker1000 23:23, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  • He also says that his middle name is Jennifer. I think he was just joking. He doesn't even mention Frank when he is actually talkin gabout the episode, and he talks a lot about Sayid and Sun and Jin's deaths, so I think he was just joking. And keep in mind that both the official ABC episode summary and Lost Untangled both said nothing about him dying, so I really think you're jumping the gun on this. --Bish-Fiscuit 04:18, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
    • I agree that you're jumping the gun on this. To me it sounds more like a teaser for the fans than anything else, before a potential big reveal that he's alive. There's also been some hints that he's not dead. I won't say anything more for spoiler reasons, and it's certainly not definitive, but neither is Jorge Garcia's post, in my opinion.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  04:21, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
      • Also they've updated the character bios on the ABC website. For Frank, all it says about his current status is this: "Frank was in the sub's bridge when the C-4 exploded, and was last seen trying to get out when a partially-sealed bulkhead blew off from the force of the rushing water and hit him in the head." No death confirmation. [3] In Sawyer's bio, it says: "The bomb exploded, leading to Sun, Jin and Sayid's deaths." No mention of Frank's death. [4] I think it's jumping the gun, personally. -- Graft   talk   contributions  05:02, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Damon and Carlton confirm Frank is dead

In the newest podcast, they explain that Jack et. al. did not mention Frank as dead at the end of the episode because they wanted the focus on the three season 1 characters who died and randomly mentioning Frank may have changed the mood of the scene. They also note Jack and friends didn't see Frank die and wouldn't know he died anyway. Regardless, they confirm he's a goner. ShadowUltra 22:03, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

  • Well there you have it. There was never any doubt in my mind. Poor Frank, as a lesser character, just didn't warrant the emotional sendoff that Sun and Jin received. Hatchbanger 22:47, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  • Did you listen to the same podcast as me? All they did was comment on the fact that Jack said that Sayid, Sun and Jin were dead and didn't mention Frank. The producers, themselves, confirmed nothing: all they did was offer a couple reasons for Jack not to have listed Frank in the casualties.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  05:51, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
    • So all they said was why Jack wouldn't regard him as dead? But didn't say whether or not he's dead or not? They seem to be going out of their way not to make his status clear. Why do I get the feeling that we're gonna see Frank rise up out of the ocean with a witty one-liner sometime soon...? --Golden Monkey 06:08, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  • They definitely went out of their way to avoid explicitly stating that he died. --Bish-Fiscuit 12:14, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  • Didnt people learn from the juliet mistake. Im glad i see some people who wanted to add juliets death pre S6 are now on the other side with frank. What harm does waiting and listing him as unknown do, were not wrong, he unknown. I just dont want another juliet fiasco where everywhere on the site she was listed as dead then come season 6 shes alive. I think he is dead but i dont see the point in adding it if there is still a stron chance hes alive. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  14:14, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  • I agree. It's not like he set off a grenade in his hand or anything. HolySock92 20:11, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  • *sigh*Alsatian1234, your comment above definitely counts as a spoiler. I now know information that I didn't want to know, and I'm not too happy about that. You really need to go look at the spoiler policy instead of just going ahead and posting something that you know is possibly a spoiler. An advance apology becomes moot once you've already decided to post the information. —   lion of dharma    talk    email   20:30, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
    • ---SPOILER---
  • Listen again. They most definitely did not confirm he died. — Graft   talk   contributions  00:03, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
  • Does this "qualify," even loosely, as apophenia? 8) People are hearing, imo, what they most want to hear. (I haven't listened, btw.) I would caution patience; it's not like we're in season three waiting for the end.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 00:18, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
  • SPOILER REMOVED. --LOST-The Cartographer 00:47, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
  • Please do not post any information on here about future episodes... it's a spoiler. The Cartographer should have known better, and I hope that those who continue discussion on this page learn from his mistake. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  03:09, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
  • In all fairness, since Alsatian1234 was banned for a year, Cartographer should be banned as well. I actually think that a year is too harsh for Alsatian1234; I was PO'ed, but maybe the user could be banned for just a month? I leave that up to the discretion of the SyOps, of course. In any case, the punishment should be the same for both of these users since they posted the same spoiler, IMHO. —   lion of dharma    talk    email   04:12, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
Anyway, if Frank was for sure dead they would come out and say it. Darlton have no problem with confirming that, say, Sun & Jin are dead, or Sayid, or Juliet (even if they killed her off again in "LA X"...), or Daniel. The fact that they're not coming out and saying Frank is dead when they never have problems with confirming deaths in the past, and neither is ABC (note how the pages for Jin, Sun, Sayid and Ilana all say they died, while Frank's leaves it open), makes me think that we're supposed to have our doubts. He could be dead, he could be alive, either way they want us to be confused til they make his status clear on the show proper. --Golden Monkey 04:46, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
  • They wouldn't just kill him off the way he did. He's been around for 3 seasons and is a popular character. Also, the fact that he hasn't really done anything this season is a good reason to assume he'll be back. He still has to have his moment.--Joshtopher27 06:21, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Jeff Fahey: "He went down with the submarine [...] he's dead"

http://www.movieline.com/2010/05/losts-jeff-fahey-on-the-fate-of-frank-lapidus-and-that-machete-trailer.php ShadowUltra 17:16, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

  • Why is everyone so quick to say hes dead, after readin that interview im now 100% convinced hes alive. Fahey is toying with the reporter, just look at what he says, Ill go on the record as guaranting Frank will be on the show in some form. Like i said we screwed up the juliet thing, we should wait until we get confirmation from the show that frank is dead. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  22:02, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
  • Nobody was pushing Lapidus being alive harder than me, but I think "Yeah, he's dead" from the actor who portrays him is good enough to warrant us considering him dead. Did we ever get a "Yeah, she's dead" from Elizabeth Mitchell during the season 6 hiatus?  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  22:33, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
  • No we got one better we got a confirmation from the writers, but it was wrong, whats wrong with just waiting, is that so bad to wait a week or two. The shows over in 11 days lets just wait. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  22:55, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah, the writers were wrong about Juliet (which makes me think they originally were just going to have that be her death, then reconsidered and gave her a send-off in "LA X"). And actors aren't quite reliable...just look at how Zuleikha Robinson claims that she was playing "Ilana Radzinsky"...--Golden Monkey 05:49, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

He wasn't dead

...and the most surprising thing is that people didn't learn after Jin and the Kahana explosion.  Robert K S   tell me  13:32, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

  • I know right its like charile brown when he keeps getting the football pulled out from under him, btw I love being right. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  02:37, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
  • I held out until his death was "confirmed" explicitly by Jeff Fahey. I stand by that decision, just like I stand by our listing as Naomi as dead between seasons 3 and 4.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  04:36, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
  • How do you stand by a decision tht was completely incorect, not just this but the naomi thing as well. Guess its a mute point now but looking back i really think we should have only went with revelations on the show as cannon because we had both franks and juliet deaths "confirmed" and one didnt die until later in the show and the other never died. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  03:01, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah, big time "HAH!" to those who kept listing and having edit wars saying he's dead. Avindratalkcontribs email  05:11, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
  • I'd like to take this opportunity to join you in laughing at the people who prematurely certified Frank's death on this and other articles. They just couldn't wait, could they? Long live Lapidus! --BigKahunaBurger 16:41, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  • We should have known that Frank cannot die. After all, he wasn't in the sideways, was he? ;) --Golden Monkey 19:29, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Choice of pictures

The article needs a picture of Frank flying the Ajira plane off the island (with Sawyer, Kate, Claire, Miles and Richard aboard.) It was not only Frank's greatest moment but a very important and significant part of LOST's ending. It's a shame that the last image of Frank on this article is the rather goofy "Frank is found alive in the ocean" picture. I propose it should be replaced by a shot of Frank in the cockpit of the Ajira plane (either the "Hold on, Frank!" or "Amen" parts.) In fact, I would re-shuffle the pictures like so: "Frank is found alive in the Ocean" replaced by a "Here we go, Frank" picture; "Aw, Hell" replaced by "Frank is found alive in the ocean"; "Frank refuses to join Richard" discarded completely and replaced by "Aw, Hell." In my opinion, that would look a lot better. --BigKahunaBurger 16:17, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

  • I definitely agree we need a picture of Frank flying the plane off the Island.--Frank J Lapidus 16:26, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
  • We definitely need to get more pictures of Frank being epic --Joshtopher27 05:35, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

How does he do this?

I've thought about it... and how does he know how to pilot both military style helicopters and airliners? I'm not sure if it's a flashback the writers intended to do and didn't have time to and couldn't or whether or not I missed something in the show/wiki... but where did he learn to fly? Action movie pilots school? I'm interested to see if there's some odd piece of info I missed on him. CantRelax 06:03, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

    • I mean, he's a 777 airline pilot for one airline and can fly a Bell Huey Heli and a 737 for another airline... where did his credentials come from?
      • I know one person training to be an airline pilot who has learned to fly a helicopter. It's not required, but many (I hesitate to say most) major airline pilots have taken at least some helicopter training in their career. It's not that crazy of an idea.--Tim Thomason 08:03, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
    • See, I didn't think of that! It does depend on his background, but, given you know someone IRL that had the type of training that would allow him to do the same as Lapidus, it makes perfect sense. CantRelax 06:21, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

The backstory implied by "Confirmed Dead" was that Lapidus was dismissed from a commercial aviation job for drinking and so became a tourism pilot, taking vacationers around on helicopter trips. (When Lapidus says he missed piloting 815 because he "overslept", what did you think the reason for his oversleeping was?)  Robert K S   tell me  07:27, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Shortest Island visit?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that out of all the main characters who have visited the Island and are still alive, Frank has spent the least amount of time on it. He first arrived on December 22, 2004 on the helicopter from the Kahana, and went back and forth three times, spending no more than a day on the Island each time, before the Island moved. He returned three years later on Ajira 316 and piloted that same plane off the Island 14 days later. That's a total of 17 days. Everyone else either spent at least 100 days on the Island following the crash of Oceanic 815, or spent three years in the DHARMA Initiative, or lived on the Island for many years before Oceanic 815, or is dead. --Celebok 18:32, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

  • Out of the main characters that are still alive, yes he is the one that spent the least time on it. Overall though, there are main characters who may have spent less time than him there. Ilana, unless she spent time on the Island before the Ajira crash, lived there for less than 2 weeks before her death. It is also possible that Daniel, depending on when exactly he departed in 1974, spent less than 17 days on the island. --LeoChris 00:33, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
    • Ah, okay, thanks. I was thinking of adding that fact to the trivia section of Frank's page. Like you described, the amount of time that Ilana and Daniel were on the Island is hard to determine, so we can't be certain which of those two has spent the least amount of time on the Island. So I figured by adding the "still alive" qualifier, that easily makes Frank the winner. --Celebok 11:04, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
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